Schools that teach Female Etiquette, Mannerisms and Posture?

I was just wondering where one would look to find a place that teaches Female Etiquette Mannerisms and Posture?

Would like to hit all three at once, so I can get some personalized one on one training to learn how to be a lady better.

posture, walking, talking, gestures, standing and talking with others, greetings, departure's, formal and informal female practices.

I don't do too well with video's or tutorials, I learn better if I have someone showing me and guiding me.

looking for something or someone in the Nashville, TN area.

Aside from gettin the lessons on disc (search the web for that one) I'd just head to the local mall.... stay away from walymart unless you want to know what not to wear.... LOL...

Check out the youtubey videos and then practice, practice, practice....

I bring a lot of the mannerisms from the girl side into the other side of my day to day life.... Like getting into the car. Butt first then swing the legs in. It's so easy. Now not all GGs do it that way, but the really good ones do..

Renne.....

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Originally Posted by RenneB

Aside from gettin the lessons on disc (search the web for that one) I'd just head to the local mall.... stay away from walymart unless you want to know what not to wear.... LOL...

Check out the youtubey videos and then practice, practice, practice....

I bring a lot of the mannerisms from the girl side into the other side of my day to day life.... Like getting into the car. Butt first then swing the legs in. It's so easy. Now not all GGs do it that way, but the really good ones do..

Renne.....

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i want to work with someone in person. not watch a video. I want interaction with someone while they are teaching me, showing me things, I want feedback on how I am executing the actions.

I once saw an article about a school near Boston, MA.
The person applying was a man, and they would not let him in.
It was stated since it was a privet school, there was no law to
force them to take on a male student.
Rader

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Originally Posted by RenneB

I bring a lot of the mannerisms from the girl side into the other side of my day to day life.... Like getting into the car. Butt first then swing the legs in. It's so easy. Now not all GGs do it that've way, but the really good ones do..

Renne.....

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I've learned to do that since starting to wear skirts instead of shorts in warm weather. Now it is second nature so I do it all the time, even when I wear pants!

John

There are some people who consult with the MtF TG community and offer exactly those services. A friend of mine used the services of a post-op MtF TS and could only rave about her and the results. I can attest for the results because we have been out together several times. Unfortunately for you, she is out here on the West Coast and charges quite a bit per hour. She handles voice, mannerisms, posture, walking, dressing, fashion and wigs tips. I also know someone who does a somewhat similar service, though I am not exactly sure of her areas of specialty. This one is mobile and may be able to meet you closer to your home. If interested, PM me and I will see if I can find their contact information.

One thing I have been doing is in conjunction with my voice lessons. My instructors are very interested in all axpects of communication, including the non-verbal stuff. So, they have had me work on mannerisms, posture, etc. They had me pick an actress I admire, in my case Cote De Pablo, and watch clips of her on talk shows (not while she was acting) and we would discuss things like how she moves, sits, etc. Another thing I have been doing is observing the way women, especially those I would like to emulate, walk. One great place I have found to do this is at the airport. I just sit there in the chairs outside the security checkpoint and watch the people go by. There are usually lots of women in my age range, and many are business travelers which means thay are dressed a little nicer than average. I also get ideas about what looks good on a certain body type this way. Watching women with a critical eye can be very instructive, both what to do and what not to do.................Stephanie

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

I was just wondering where one would look to find a place that teaches Female Etiquette Mannerisms and Posture?

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At the mall? At work? Being a woman around women is the best way to learn how to act like a woman. Boys and girls learn their social roles by emulation. There must be DVD and lessons, but it's like with the voice. It does not happen until you have too use it. I am post-op and I am still learning what it means to be a woman in society all the time.

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Originally Posted by Frances

At the mall? At work? Being a woman around women is the best way to learn how to act like a woman.

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Yeah, I tend to agree. Go anywhere the GG's are and just watch them. For one-on-one, how about any GG you know? I'm pretty skeptical of these "schools" that teach you how to be "a lady." If it works for you, that's great, but I would rather see how the GG's act in the real world and try to learn from that.

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Originally Posted by Frances

At the mall? At work? Being a woman around women is the best way to learn how to act like a woman. Boys and girls learn their social roles by emulation. There must be DVD and lessons, but it's like with the voice. It does not happen until you have too use it. I am post-op and I am still learning what it means to be a woman in society all the time.

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does anyone actually READ the thread? I know MY abilities better than anyone else, and how I learn, I wish people would actually READ what I have written, and stop making assumptions that they have the answer, when it in fact does not apply to me.

I don't care about DVD's, I don't care to go to the mall, or watch a youtube video. There's a reason I asked if there was a school or someone who specializes in this. I'm not trying to be cross with you, but it's frustrating at times when what is initially written goes blatantly ignored. :(

I think any place that teaches those kinds of things are going to be teaching all those stereotypical, froo-froo, born with a silver spoon feminine etiquette and mannerisms.

And I also think that those posh, holier than thou types would frown on a 'man' wanting to take the lessons. :rolleyes:

Audrey,

Go back and read Fances's post. She knows what she is talking about. She is there, right where you want to be. What she is telling you is the right way to do this. You can't learn it in a hour long lesson. You can't learn it in a week, or a month, or a year even. If you want to know what it's like to be a woman, then you have to hang out with women. You have to live and work and be around women. Girls spend years learning this stuff as they grow up, you will need to do pretty much the same thing.

Now, are there schools like you describe? Yes. Yes there are. They are in every major metropolitan area and many smaller areas. There's one in Barre Vermont for goodness sake. So why don't you utilize one of them? Because they can't do what you are asking, and they are very expensive. Think about it. You want the undivided attention of a teacher for how long? A day? A month? Just how long do you figure it will take? Frances has been full time for years now and she is still learning. The expense become ridiculous. Do you have $20,000 for a year's tuition at Miss Perkins finishing school for girls in Peabody, Mass? It's a four year school.

You don't need to go to the mall if you don't want to. Just go out into the world and live. Pay attention. Listen, watch, be, learn.

Stephie

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Originally Posted by Bree_K

I think any place that teaches those kinds of things are going to be teaching all those stereotypical, froo-froo, born with a silver spoon feminine etiquette and mannerisms.

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Pretty much.

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And I also think that those posh, holier than thou types would frown on a 'man' wanting to take the lessons. :rolleyes:

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Actually...no, some are quite open to it because they know they can make money from transfolk who may be somewhat insecure in their skills since the market for those that usually do such things, like pageant contestants, is small.

http://www.femimage.com/

And at least one post-op TS does image consulting.

Veronica

Google is your friend. :)

Found this on Manta. It's a modeling school categorized under "Finishing School, Charm and Modeling": http://www.manta.com/c/mm6xkc1/jo-susan-models

Here's the website: http://www.josusanmodels.com/

In addition to modeling and acting classes, they teach poise and etiquette classes, and self-confidence.

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

does anyone actually READ the thread? I know MY abilities better than anyone else, and how I learn, I wish people would actually READ what I have written, and stop making assumptions that they have the answer, when it in fact does not apply to me.

I don't care about DVD's, I don't care to go to the mall, or watch a youtube video. There's a reason I asked if there was a school or someone who specializes in this. I'm not trying to be cross with you, but it's frustrating at times when what is initially written goes blatantly ignored. :(

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I replied with a quote from you own post. I must have read it, right? Good luck with your transition.

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Originally Posted by VeronicaMoonlit

Actually...no, some are quite open to it because they know they can make money from transfolk who may be somewhat insecure in their skills since the market for those that usually do such things, like pageant contestants, is small.

http://www.femimage.com/

And at least one post-op TS does image consulting.

Veronica

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thank you Veronica!!!

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Originally Posted by ReineD

Google is your friend. :)

Found this on Manta. It's a modeling school categorized under "Finishing School, Charm and Modeling": http://www.manta.com/c/mm6xkc1/jo-susan-models

Here's the website: http://www.josusanmodels.com/

In addition to modeling and acting classes, they teach poise and etiquette classes, and self-confidence.

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thanks Renee, you had better luck than I did.

Audrey, I'm anxious to hear what you think of whichever school you choose. I am admittedly skeptical but tring to keep an open mind for you.

Funny you should ask, I have started such classes! Together with LGBT organization Metro Wellness Community Center I have established a local Feminine Poise Class, you can find the info at: http://www.facebook.com/FemininePoise

However it is local class and as you point out, the hands on experience is unmatched by simple often misleading videos of :How Toos" on you tube.
I have though though about structuring some instructional videos so that it would be bit more simple and right down to the core of the essence of femininity and manner, but demand has to be quite large and being in poverty my self such would need to be somewhat sportive as I do nearly everything for free now, lol, but so far I am surviving only on love alone pretty well :)

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Originally Posted by Stephenie S

Audrey,

Go back and read Fances's post. She knows what she is talking about. She is there, right where you want to be. What she is telling you is the right way to do this. You can't learn it in a hour long lesson. You can't learn it in a week, or a month, or a year even. If you want to know what it's like to be a woman, then you have to hang out with women. You have to live and work and be around women. Girls spend years learning this stuff as they grow up, you will need to do pretty much the same thing.

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I did read it, but I can't learn that way. I have a short term memory issue, so even if I see it, I can;t remember it a few hours later. I have to see it, do it, and repeat it, and it's better for me if I have someone verbally guiding me, ensuring that I do it correctly, and showing me how I am doing it wrong, how I should be doing it right. Thats why I want the school or a personal teacher. Once I do that, and get the basics down, then I can use video tutorials and what not. my brain is just wired differently in terms of how I learn.

and no, it won't be a year or anything like that, maybe someone I could hire to do some sidework, just working with me individually to get some basics, and then accompany me out in public on a few occasions to monitor my technique and progress. I don't think a 4 year school would be applicable, or necessary, although it would have been a great idea had I been in this process before college, and then it might have been beneficial. But for now, all I want to do is establish the fundamentals and ensure they are sound and properly performed and I need someone to be accountable too, that can push me. I accomplish good things under pressure, but when left to learn things on my own or figure them out for myself, I usually have some trouble finding the motivation to begin and follow through.

I wasn't trying to jump down France's throat, but I clearly stated what I did for a reason, and it seemed like that was either not read, or it just wasn't recognized.

Not to be dismissive, but...

You can't just acquire it from your surroundings?

I mean, I get that you want to work on your presentation and all. I get it. I just don't understand how you can expect to learn any other way.

Even if you have poor short-term memory, there are these magical inventions called the pen and the pad of paper. If you do something wrong, you can pretty quickly gauge such from the reactions of those around you -> like every other woman learns these things! If you can't learn that way, then how do you even function as male?

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Originally Posted by Frances

At the mall? At work? Being a woman around women is the best way to learn how to act like a woman. Boys and girls learn their social roles by emulation. There must be DVD and lessons, but it's like with the voice. It does not happen until you have too use it. I am post-op and I am still learning what it means to be a woman in society all the time.

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Precisely.

I have clearly seen the results of a specialized consultant assisting a TG friend of mine. My friend is tall (6-2) and definitely is a male in male mode. However, with the assistance of her consultant, who is a fairly well known TS in some parts of the TS world, she looks, sits, walks, and has the mannerisms of a female. She did not go to school, rather she had one on one meetings over the course of time until she felt that she was felt that she was ready to go it alone. When practicing when out in the public she purposely over emphasized her learned mannerisms, often times being kidded by her friends about it. However, one day she said it just came naturally and she was there without the exaggerations. There is a lot to be taught and a lot to be learned with this type of one on one training and for those that can afford it, it can be well worth it. After that, tutorials and first hand observations become more relevant and useful. To me the only downside is the high cost and time. For my friend, once she decided she wanted to be able to go out and blend in and also be noticed in a good way when entering a restaurant or wherever, she took the professional route to speed her progress along with fantastic results. One of the difficult things for a lot of people is to truly be able to recognize and note what are the little gestures, head tilts, voice inflections etc. that someone else has. Good actors have to work at getting a specific character down so that they can properly and accurately portray the other person. Yes, we can learn some things by observations, but being males we have a great tendency to overlook the details. I say go for it if you can afford it.

Years ago, back in the 50's even the late 60's there were finishing schools. Mostly girls attended. It seemed as though there was one in every town. Unfortunately, that is a thing of the past. You might try a local dance troupe or even an actors school. I found an older woman, who thought it was cute that I was trying to become a woman, to help me. Simply ask a GG to help you. What can she say, no?

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Originally Posted by konkbent

Not to be dismissive, but...

You can't just acquire it from your surroundings?

I mean, I get that you want to work on your presentation and all. I get it. I just don't understand how you can expect to learn any other way.

Even if you have poor short-term memory, there are these magical inventions called the pen and the pad of paper. If you do something wrong, you can pretty quickly gauge such from the reactions of those around you -> like every other woman learns these things! If you can't learn that way, then how do you even function as male?



Precisely.

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what works for you, may not work for another, and in instances like these, that won't work for me. The fact is, I know myself, my habits, my tendencies, and if left to learn something on my own, it tends not to get done, or it doesn't get done properly. If I have someone to be accountable to, I get much better results. I am not lazy, or dumb, I just respond to things differently when I have someone holding me accountable, and pushing me. I'm kinda a like a car with a manual transmission, and a faulty starter, most things I can do on my own, but sometimes my starter just don't get me going, and I need someone to get me rolling, pop the clutch, and away I go.

If videos and tutorials and sitting at the mall work for you and others in this thread, I'm not saying don't use it, I'm just saying it won't work for me. I used to sit at the mall trying to emulate guys, when I was trying to prove to myself that all this feminine desires and crossdressing was nonsense, and I watched the cool guys, the slick one's that could show up with 3 of their buddies, and then leave with 5 girls. Tried to take note of their clothes, the way they walked, talked, what they talked about. it didn't go over so well. so no reason to go down that road again when I already know the end result.

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Originally Posted by AllieSF

I have clearly seen the results of a specialized consultant assisting a TG friend of mine. My friend is tall (6-2) and definitely is a male in male mode. However, with the assistance of her consultant, who is a fairly well known TS in some parts of the TS world, she looks, sits, walks, and has the mannerisms of a female. She did not go to school, rather she had one on one meetings over the course of time until she felt that she was felt that she was ready to go it alone. When practicing when out in the public she purposely over emphasized her learned mannerisms, often times being kidded by her friends about it. However, one day she said it just came naturally and she was there without the exaggerations. There is a lot to be taught and a lot to be learned with this type of one on one training and for those that can afford it, it can be well worth it. After that, tutorials and first hand observations become more relevant and useful. To me the only downside is the high cost and time. For my friend, once she decided she wanted to be able to go out and blend in and also be noticed in a good way when entering a restaurant or wherever, she took the professional route to speed her progress along with fantastic results. One of the difficult things for a lot of people is to truly be able to recognize and note what are the little gestures, head tilts, voice inflections etc. that someone else has. Good actors have to work at getting a specific character down so that they can properly and accurately portray the other person. Yes, we can learn some things by observations, but being males we have a great tendency to overlook the details. I say go for it if you can afford it.

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where's the like button? This is exactly why I started this thread and exactly the results I want to get. thank you for such a wonderful post Allie! :)

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Originally Posted by Jorja

Simply ask a GG to help you. What can she say, no?

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That's precisely what I did. I have one helping me with fashion and makeup since she went to college for Cosmetology and my other friend is going to help me with mannerisms, etiquette and cooking.

Audrey, I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. I did not say go sit at the mall and stare at people. I said be a woman in society. What kind of lady are we talking about here anyway? Melissa Ethridge or Queen Elizabeth II? Transition is about becoming a real person, yourself. So why would someone have any kind perspective that would be better than your own? You talk about basics, fundamentals, performing and accomplishing. Identifying a problem and finding a solution. That sounds like guy talk to me.

How does a woman walk? I see as many gaits as there are women out there. How does a woman sit or stand up? This is nonsense, but it's your money and your time. Nothing in those classes will prepare you for being infantilized by men or hit on by men when it's unwanted. Nothing will prepare you for being excluded by women for not being young or pretty enough. Learning to hold a teacup properly for sure won't help you.

You think I don't understand what you are going through or your special circumstances? That's fine. Like I said, good luck with your transition. I hope everything turns out well for you. I was not answering your exact question, because I truly believe you are barking up the wrong tree. Unless you are an actor and this is just for show.

Once again, however, it has been made abundantly clear that experience has little to no currency on this forum.

Wow, I swore I would not say anything to this thread, I have lasted 30 hours but I am bursting. Seriously, how did you learn to be behave like a boy when you grew up, finishing school?

Looking at women does not help you know, observing them might.

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Originally Posted by Frances

Audrey, I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. I did not say go sit at the mall and stare at people. I said be a woman in society. What kind of lady are we talking about here anyway? Melissa Ethridge or Queen Elizabeth II? Transition is about becoming a real person, yourself. So why would someone have any kind perspective that would be better than your own? You talk about basics, fundamentals, performing and accomplishing. Identifying a problem and finding a solution. That sounds like guy talk to me.

How does a woman walk? I see as many gaits as there are women out there. How does a woman sit or stand up? This is nonsense, but it's your money and your time. Nothing in those classes will prepare you for being infantilized by men or hit on by men when it's unwanted. Nothing will prepare you for being excluded by women for not being young or pretty enough. Learning to hold a teacup properly for sure won't help you.

You think I don't understand what you are going through or your special circumstances? That's fine. Like I said, good luck with your transition. I hope everything turns out well for you. I was not answering your exact question, because I truly believe you are barking up the wrong tree. Unless you are an actor and this is just for show.

Once again, however, it has been made abundantly clear that experience has little to no currency on this forum.

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and I do those things, i think you misunderstand what it is I'm looking for with this thread. Everything we as humans without regard to gender, learn, is done by learning an established set of basic principles. from there, you move to more intermediately difficult tasks, to advanced tasks, and eventually mastery of that skill.

It has nothing to do with guy talk. Any sane, rational logical person will identify and recognize a problem and find a solution. Competent decision making has nothing to do with one's gender, it has to do with experience and wisdom. I've personally seen how a person who walks, stands and sits, and carries themselves, how they handle tense situations and conflict, can reflect an image of a person's character, their personality, and their ability to react and deal with a situation while maintaining their composure. Not only that, but that attracts people to you because they see that you have your shit together, you don't let your cage get rattled, and you can think for yourself. My ex-gf was like that. She carried herself well, spoke confidently, she walked upright, not slouched, when she sat down, it was properly done, and she sat with legs crossed hands on her thighs or knees or folded in her lap. She never showed fear even when she was uncertain or worried about something, she just handled it, and did so very well. I think that above anything else, is what I loved about her most, and it was the first thing I noticed about her the night I met her, and it was always the first thing I noticed when we were together, and it was an incredible turn on.

A woman with good posture, strong self-discipline, and self-control projects an image of confidence, power and commands respect. As does clothing attire, intelligent conversation, and display of proper situational evaluation and problem-solving. Genetic women are born with certain maternal instincts that we as genetic males do not possess. Women are more compassionate, attentive to potentially dangerous situations and threats to themselves and their children. Men tend to be protective, hit first ask questions later, whereas a mother who senses danger or something that's not right, will make an effort to avoid a scene or situation or remove herself from the situation before it escalates.

On the contrary, a girl who dresses in skanky clothes, doesn't do her makeup, doesnt maintain her hair, slouches when she stands, has poor posture when sitting or standing, she will be viewed as a girl lacking basic female skillsets.

As a genetic/physical male, I've developed poor habits and I've never had anyone who made the effort to correct them or help me correct them, so going forward, I want to make sure that the image I project is of a woman who is educated, controlled, professional appearing, and able to analyze a situation and troubleshoot it, goes a long way towards being accepted and respected in society.

Frances, if you're taking it as I'm saying your experience means nill, I am not. I'm just saying the method in which I go about things varies differently than someone else because of my memory problems and my ADHD. We all address things in the ways that work for us, and I know what works for me and I know what doesn't.

I don't need a class to handle being infantilized by men or being hit on when it's unwanted, I can already do that for myself. I get about 5 to 10 catcalls a day at school and in public from men thinking they could "show me a good time" or "show me how a real man makes love to a woman", or "they can give me a secure life, and I'll never have to work or worry about anything" spiel. That doesn't phase me, or bother me in the least and I can handle myself. And if there arises a situation that I can't handle that becomes violent in nature against me, I have my sturdy, reliable best friend .40 S&W that can unload 165 grains of permanent hollow point behavior modification on that perpetrator. I'm trained to use it, when to use it, and I'm not afraid to use it if I need to and I won't think twice if and when that moment comes.

I love being on break. xDDD

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

and I do those things, i think you misunderstand what it is I'm looking for with this thread. Everything we as humans without regard to gender, learn, is done by learning an established set of basic principles. from there, you move to more intermediately difficult tasks, to advanced tasks, and eventually mastery of that skill.

It has nothing to do with guy talk. Any sane, rational logical person will identify and recognize a problem and find a solution.

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Was the irony intentional?

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

Competent decision making has nothing to do with one's gender, it has to do with experience and wisdom. I've personally seen how a person who walks, stands and sits, and carries themselves, how they handle tense situations and conflict, can reflect an image of a person's character, their personality, and their ability to react and deal with a situation while maintaining their composure. Not only that, but that attracts people to you because they see that you have your shit together, you don't let your cage get rattled, and you can think for yourself. My ex-gf was like that. She carried herself well, spoke confidently, she walked upright, not slouched, when she sat down, it was properly done, and she sat with legs crossed hands on her thighs or knees or folded in her lap. She never showed fear even when she was uncertain or worried about something, she just handled it, and did so very well. I think that above anything else, is what I loved about her most, and it was the first thing I noticed about her the night I met her, and it was always the first thing I noticed when we were together, and it was an incredible turn on.

A woman with good posture, strong self-discipline, and self-control projects an image of confidence, power and commands respect. As does clothing attire, intelligent conversation, and display of proper situational evaluation and problem-solving.

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Being ladylike and being female aren't the same thing? Transition doesn't really change your character - if you were a gentleman before, becoming a lady will be fairly automatic.

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

Genetic women are born with certain maternal instincts that we as genetic males do not possess. Women are more compassionate, attentive to potentially dangerous situations and threats to themselves and their children. Men tend to be protective, hit first ask questions later, whereas a mother who senses danger or something that's not right, will make an effort to avoid a scene or situation or remove herself from the situation before it escalates.

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Holy sexism, batman. Have you considered taking up feminism 101?

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

On the contrary, a girl who dresses in skanky clothes, doesn't do her makeup, doesnt maintain her hair, slouches when she stands, has poor posture when sitting or standing, she will be viewed as a girl lacking basic female skillsets.

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You haven't been to a modern university recently, have you? Or do you just hate women who don't feel like conforming to your idea of what a woman should be?

Something my therapist mentioned was that trans women early on in transition want to look like 'women', at least their ideal of one, which tends to be more nicely dressed than most, among other things. Assuming that you get on the proverbial bandwagon, you'll quickly discover that at best, it's unnecessary, and at worst, it will get you read.

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

As a genetic/physical male, I've developed poor habits and I've never had anyone who made the effort to correct them or help me correct them, so going forward, I want to make sure that the image I project is of a woman who is educated, controlled, professional appearing, and able to analyze a situation and troubleshoot it, goes a long way towards being accepted and respected in society.

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Fixed. See feminism 101?

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Frances, if you're taking it as I'm saying your experience means nill, I am not. I'm just saying the method in which I go about things varies differently than someone else because of my memory problems and my ADHD. We all address things in the ways that work for us, and I know what works for me and I know what doesn't.

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Now let's look at...

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You think I don't understand what you are going through or your special circumstances?

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

Frances, if you're taking it as I'm saying your experience means nill, I am not. I'm just saying the method in which I go about things varies differently than someone else because of my memory problems and my ADHD. We all address things in the ways that work for us, and I know what works for me and I know what doesn't.

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Get on ADHD meds, then start socializing as female. You might be slower about remembering things than others, but if your memory has degraded to the point where you can't recall social cues, what makes you think that a consultant or class on such will be useful?

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

I don't need a class to handle being infantilized by men or being hit on when it's unwanted, I can already do that for myself. I get about 5 to 10 catcalls a day at school and in public from men thinking they could "show me a good time" or "show me how a real man makes love to a woman", or "they can give me a secure life, and I'll never have to work or worry about anything" spiel.

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I have an extremely hard time believing what you just said in light of this...

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

That doesn't phase me, or bother me in the least and I can handle myself. And if there arises a situation that I can't handle that becomes violent in nature against me, I have my sturdy, reliable best friend .40 S&W that can unload 165 grains of permanent hollow point behavior modification on that perpetrator. I'm trained to use it, when to use it, and I'm not afraid to use it if I need to and I won't think twice if and when that moment comes.

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Really? Guns? You had to mention a gun?

If you don't like the advice , ignore it..

you are getting good feedback, but your dogmatic, uninformed, and very malecentric views about the "right" way to be a woman seems to override common sense and experience..
i recall when you came here, you commented on how you will not be "train wreck" like others...so its a consistent thing for you..

The way you express your displeasure at any answer that doesn't suit you has caused other threads you started to devolve into wasted arguments just like this... go ahead , hire a coach , spend some money, learn to limp your wrist and talk with a feminine lilt..and then when you have a knitting disagreement with your friend Louise at the tea party, you can cross your legs, smile sweetly and pull out your AK47 and blow her fricking head off..

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Originally Posted by Kaitlyn Michele

. go ahead , hire a coach , spend some money, learn to limp your wrist and talk with a feminine lilt..and then when you have a knitting disagreement with your friend Louise at the tea party, you can cross your legs, smile sweetly and pull out your AK47 and blow her fricking head off..

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this is ****ing hilarious!:lol::lol::lol:

oh for heaven's sake. im not even gonna bother retorting to this garbage.

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Originally Posted by AudreyTN

oh for heaven's sake. im not even gonna bother retorting to this garbage.

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There is something you actually are not getting really. I never had learn anything about being a girl because I was already one. This is one of the reasons I pass so well. I don't make a conscientious effort to move, talk, or have even have the manners of a female. It just comes naturally. I didn't learn anything.

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Genetic women are born with certain maternal instincts that we as genetic males do not possess. Women are more compassionate, attentive to potentially dangerous situations and threats to themselves and their children. Men tend to be protective, hit first ask questions later, whereas a mother who senses danger or something that's not right, will make an effort to avoid a scene or situation or remove herself from the situation before it escalates.

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Holy generalization. My therapists will have a field day with that statement(she speaks on gender roles). I have those certain maternal instincts. I am going to stop typing now as I will only get myself into trouble now if I actually spoke my mind.

It's time to close this thread. I'm sure you all agree.