Non Transitioning Transsexual.

[Vicky_Scot]

We have various labels for what we are.

CD, TV .TS etc but their seems to be one missing.

NTT - Non Transitioning Transsexual

I firmly believe that there are many of us out there in the big world that are in a place between being a crossdresser and a transsexual.

I do not want to be a woman,I do not want to have surgery, but is CD'ing enough for me. The answer has to be NO.

Anyone else feel this way?

Xx Vicky xX

[Shikyo]

There should be transsexuals who don't want to have a surgery because the life situation or any other reasons. But to my knowledge a transsexual itself already means one wants to be a women, it does not necessary mean wanting to go through the SRS or anything. But wanting to at least live the life as woman.

So if you don't want to be a women, then you are not really a transsexual as you don't want to be the opposite sex, if you understand what I mean. There should be plenty of transsexuals who do not want to have any operation on them, especially on the side of FTM. They just keep the body they have but they live in the role of the other sex.

[TommiTN]

disagree, Shikyo. It is entirely possible for a person to only want to be a transsexual, that is they only want a partial transition without full SRS.

[Shikyo]

disagree, Shikyo. It is entirely possible for a person to only want to be a transsexual, that is they only want a partial transition without full SRS.

At what point did I say transsexuals have to get a full SRS? I don't recall saying that at all. In fact, I said that there are lots of transsexuals who don't want to have any operation at all, but even then they live as the opposite sex.. I only said that if you don't want to be of the opposite sex, you're not a transsexual.

The definition of transsexual is that one feels that one is the opposite sex but has the wrong physical body, without this feeling you just are not a transsexual. How far you want to go with it, it's all up to you. Everyone has different needs about that, but being a transsexual has nothing to do with the operations and hormones, but with the feeling of being the wrong sex.

[Vicky_Scot]

Sorry but this was not asked to cause an arguement.

I firmly believe that there is somewhere between being a CD and a TS. I would put myself in that place and all I asked was does anyone else feel like this.

I think this is a topic that should be discussed and has valid arguements on both sides but please act resposibly when replying and not turn this subject matter into a reason to attack others.

You may not agree with someones point of view but at least have the decency to respect it.

Thanks

Xx Vicky xX

[Susan Watersfield]

I firmly believe that there is somewhere between being a CD and a TS. I would put myself in that place and all I asked was does anyone else feel like this.


Thanks

Xx Vicky xX

Vicky,

Just to add a bit more.

Yes, I do agree there is somewhere between CD & TS. It's where I am at present

Just dressing as a woman is not enough, but full time is neither an option or a desire at present.

Where this is going to lead for me I'm not sure. But I intend to make it an interesting journey

Hope that helps.

Luv

Susan

[María José]

Sorry but this was not asked to cause an arguement.

I firmly believe that there is somewhere between being a CD and a TS. I would put myself in that place and all I asked was does anyone else feel like this.

I disagree. There is nothing between a transexual and a crossdresser. Well, there is people who don´t kwow were he/she is, but definitions are clear.

[TxKimberly]

I suppose I would fall into such a category. I recall many nights when I was very young (5 or 6) praying when I went to ed that I would awake with a female body. As you can imagine, many nights and mornings were very disappointing! lol Of course sooner or later even children come to realize that they have to face facts and the realities of life - I was never going to wake up a girl/woman.
Now, so many years later (sigh . . .) I've a wife of 21 years that I love very dearly, two children that I adore and a third on the way, a career I love . . .
Going full time. transitioning, or SRS are not an option for me. I can still visit the female world on a fairly regular basis while still reaping the love and benefits of the life I have been blessed with.
So - what does this make me? A TS or a cross dresser? I dunno and I'm no longer willing to loose sleep contemplating it. . .

[Stephanie Stephens]

pre-opp and post-opp ?

[Shikyo]

Sorry but this was not asked to cause an arguement.

Sorry, but there was no sign of you wanting to make a statement instead of a discussion in the first post.

I firmly believe that there is somewhere between being a CD and a TS. I would put myself in that place and all I asked was does anyone else feel like this.

I'm not denying that at all. I just got caught up the fact that you said you don't want to be a women, but you were still talking about transsexuals. I guess I just misunderstood your first post.

I think this is a topic that should be discussed and has valid arguements on both sides but please act resposibly when replying and not turn this subject matter into a reason to attack others.

I apologize if I seemed to be attacking someone, it definitely was not my aim.

You may not agree with someones point of view but at least have the decency to respect it.

Thanks

Xx Vicky xX

I don't think that I showed any disrespect though. I just said what I thought about it. Not to forget there is a clear definition for a transsexual which I was talking about, but I also said that it is not that uncommon to have transsexuals not wanting to transform.

pre-opp and post-opp ?

Pre-opp a person who plans to have a SRS, but has not done it yet.

Post-opp a person who has had a SRS.

[TommiTN]

So a person who does not feel that he or she wants to be the opposite sex from their birth sex but who takes medical steps to appear that way except for genital surgery is not a TS? There are many who enjoy exactly that status and have no wish to take it further. Perhaps the question is more about gender than sex?

[Shikyo]

So a person who does not feel that he or she wants to be the opposite sex from their birth sex but who takes medical steps to appear that way except for genital surgery is not a TS? There are many who enjoy exactly that status and have no wish to take it further. Perhaps the question is more about gender than sex?

Yes, I would not consider this person a TS. Like Susan and Vicky have already pointed out, it would be someone who would be between a CD and a TS.

[Karren H]

Ohhh how wonderful.... More labels..... Sigh.....

[docrobbysherry]

Ohhh how wonderful.... More labels..... Sigh.....

---in a recent thread, I said I didn't feel like I was TS. Rather, simply a CD.

The DEFINITION of a TG individual was trotted out by a member here. Which said that;

"Individuals who repeatedly and knowingly, dress in clothes of the opposite sex, r TG!"

Sorry to interrupt. U can go back to your arguement now!

[Lisa Golightly]

There is no grey area... You either is or you either ain't. If you're CD you dress if you is TS you is a mess... lol

If you consider yourself really, and I mean really a female then you're TS... Whether you want to take hormones, have your bits sliced and diced, or simply do nothing at all but think and feel.

CD's are about wearing the clothes and good for them... It's nice they've found an enjoyable hobby... which may lead to some rather interesting longterm lifestyle choices... be it either dressing 24/7 (which I tried for a few years while I lied to myself some more ) or even making some cosmetic modifications to their bodies.

Me I feel permanently like a bit of a girl, well a total girl, even naked looking in the mirror at some very girlish and not so girlish bits... hey-ho


PS... If you're interested... I started as a do nothing... progressed to hormones are ok but woooooah to slashing at me with a scapel... to I want one and I want it now... What can I say?... It was the coward in me dragging her heels

[Susan Watersfield]

Vicky,

The subject of labels and terminology can be a minefield. Different groups and of course different counties use various lables to describe the same thing. Then again the same label can be ued to describe different conditions.

As far as Transexuals go, I've always thought of them in three categories:

The Non-op TS - one who wishes to live as a woman but without any medical intervention.

The Pre-op TS - one who is transitioning but has yet to undergo SRS

The Post-op TS - one who has had SRS and completed the transition.

I'm sure there are many who will disagree with this interpretation, but it's the way I see things.

As for myself I am a crossdresser who spends as much of her time as possible in a female role. The amount of time I spend varies, and for me there is currently no clear objective regarding my eventual status.

To make things simple, I describe myself as Transgendered, or TG.

But however you see yourself Vicky, make the most of your transgendered nature and enjoy it. That's my view of how I am and it's the way I get the most out of being transgendered, or a tgirl

Luv

Susan

[Sandra]

The Non-op TS - one who wishes to live as a woman but without any medical intervention.

This is my SO and she's been living 24/7 for the past 4 years. She doesn't have the feeling that she is in the wrong body, but just dressing on the odd occasion is not enough for her and so she went full time.

[Kate Simmons]

Hmm, I think an apt description of someone in that position would be: "Career girl".

[DonnaT]

As far as Transexuals go, I've always thought of them in three categories:

The Non-op TS - one who wishes to live as a woman but without any medical intervention.

The Pre-op TS - one who is transitioning but has yet to undergo SRS

The Post-op TS - one who has had SRS and completed the transition.

Regardless of the labels, even Vicky's "NTT - Non Transitioning Transsexual", they are all transsexuals.

Not sure why anyone thinks it is important to have labels, however.

[KarenCDFL]

I happen to agree with Vicky whole heartedly!

I personally fit into the NTT category (thats if I wanted to be pigeon-holed).

I know how I feel inside.
I know how I feel when all dolled up and feminine.
I have been through counseling and I have confirmed the above.

The outside does not match the inside and there is nothing I can do or will do about that other than enjoy dressing up as often as I please (with my accepting wife). Maybe I will be born right in my next life!

No matter what anyone says with all of their buzzwords and labels, this is how I have decided to live out the rest of my life and that is all there is to it. And that does not change any of the facts.

There is so much hatred in the world using racist labels, religious labels and gender labels. You would think that the people that have accepted the fact that there are gender issues in their lives would be more enlightened then the rest of the world.

Just my 1 cent ... Lost the other cent in the Market!

[robyn1114]

There are many different levels of transgendered, just as there are different terms to describe us, but none is better then the other just different. The important thing is find happiness within yourself regardless of the label society wants to put on us.

For a man to desire to wear woman's clothes, to go out and maybe even desire to pass as a woman, Isn't that man at odds with his birth sex ?? Kelsy

I don't entirely agree with that. Many Cd's have a strong sense of their femininity and have a desire/need to express that side of themselves, but at the same time live a happy and fulfilling life as a man. Sure it might not be the social norm, but I don't think they're really at odds with their birth sex.

[gwen cd]

I feel A man who wears woman's clothes is a crossdresser
A man who wants to be a woman is a T.S.

A man who wears womans clothes and acts like a woman all the time is a borderline T.S. who might in the future progress to the change

A man who wears womans clothes and acts like a woman on occation is a crossdresser.

A man who wears woman's clothing but does not act or want to be a woman is still a crossdresser.

Taking what I have layed out you come to a conclusion that if you dress and act like a woman 24/7 you lean towards the T.S scale and there for you call your self a T.S.

If you dress and act like a woman on occation or just dress like one You are a crossdresser.

Everyone is not the same, no one feels exactly like anyone else dose
We are on all different levels and this diversity could go on for about 70 different levels of T.S. and C.D.

Stick to the basics - Who you actualy are.

Please do not take offence to what I have put down but but that is the way I feel, as an Individuals that we all are.

[Hali]

I think i have been cought in between as well, i have been trying so hard to be an "average man" i can say am largely a success as a man but it has always been difficult right from childhood.

i like feminine everything, the way their cloth are made the way femininity is viewed and expected to act/behave by humanity is the way i want to see myself behave and act am just not cut-out for the man life style its just not me am just managing to live through the days as a guy, am so tired of taking charge of situations.

I like to have my body shape as feminine as possible i like to have the hour-glass figure i dont care much about breasts but am obsessed with an hour-glass figure. This days when i see women i dont look at them with desire to really sleep with them but with the desire to be them and have them as my friends and share secrets with them and gossip with them, it has reach a stage when i see them i feel like crying cos i feel like am their little sister that has been left out of the little femme circle.

i can go on and on............but despite all those feelings am still unsure about SRS i dont even think about it main reason being fear of the unknown eg what would happen if i turn into a woman would i be happy, can i build up the right family as per marriage, who will marry me man or woman etc.

I often ask myself the question everyday "who am I, man or woman".

[Sara Jessica]

This little debate struck a nerve with me because the title is an apt description of me.

Think of it this way, being TS is something you either are or are not. Many of us recognize at a very early age that something is not right with our gender.

Being a CD'er on the other hand is being a participant in an activity, albeit a very intense and emotional one that I'm sure might seem like it's rooted in some sort of hard-wiring (and it may in fact be that way). Yet we're still talking about behaviour, not a state of being. A CD'er may decide that she'd prefer to live as a woman full time but does that mean she is a woman between the ears? If so, then she was kidding herself from the beginning as to her motivations for dressing.

As for me, i am a non-transitioning TS due to the path my life has taken me thus far and my desire to keep it all together. Being TS isn't defined by how I live my life or whether I choose to have surgery. It's simply who I am.

[boardpuppy]

Hi Eveerybody,
I just wanted to agree with Susan's areas/definations of TS and expand on the Non-Op TS one. This area has a lot of gray to Her defination but I agree with it as I am flounding in there somewhere. I am still loooking/asking/reading for answers and ideas. I have not been able to make the information I have to date gell into a clear picture, yet. Depending on the day and how I feel, I can agree with a Posters opion one day and disagree with it the next. If you consider this confusing just think how I feel at times. There is a place for me in the Non-Op TS definition, but I just don't know where it is yet.

Hugs,
Alice
PS I have stepped on some toes (in the forum) because I didn't know the rules (does and don't). To those individual I can only say I'm sorry, I am trying.