one thing genetic women are offended by

[eluuzion]

One of the important things I learned about raising a girl is that when they are old enough, you let them fight their own battles with siblings. When my daughter used to come over to begin each weekend, the phone would ring about 15 minutes later. It was always her sister wondering if my daughter “borrowed” some of her clothes without asking. After two weekends of getting dragged into a battle that was not mine to fight…I instituted a new rule. “Stay out of it”. It appears this is just a normal phase of the “territory wars” which siblings are best left alone to resolve.

As to the “borrowing without asking”…which to me is like calling a janitor a “maintenance engineer”…lol…I agree with the logic of first considering the age appropriate perspective that surrounds the “crime” before using a hammer to swat a fly.
A teen scavenging through a sister’s clothes is one thing. An adult neighbor doing the same is a whole different ball game.

I started this adventure much later in life (in my 30’s) than many people here, making this topic is a moot point in my case. But I will admit to ripping off the heads of a few of my sister’s Barbie dolls a time or two. Lol

The first “dress” I put on was one of my (ex) wife’s that had been discarded in the trash. Although it was exhilarating initially, the fact that it belonged to my wife kind of launched me into thinking about the movie “Psycho” and stuff, which totally “wigged me out”. I started thinking …”hey, it’s one thing to be discovered with a dress. It’s a whole new dimension potentially…being discovered with a family member’s clothes. (like a wife, a mother…or God forbid…a daughter’s). All kinds of perverted misconceptions could be attached to those scenarios, although there would be no truth to them. So, off came the dress and that was the last time I went down that road…I bought my own…

[docrobbysherry]

If in fact, "The ONE THING that offended GGs WAS the stealing or borrowing of their clothes", I believe the following would also be fact:

1. The divorce rate would be closer 5% rather than over 50%.

2. Viagra wouldn't be needed by anyone under 75.

3. The entire porn industry mite bring in a total of about $1,000,000 a year.

4. Psychologists would only be teaching.

5. This site probably wouldn't exist.

I can think of HUNDREDS of other things that mite offend them. Certainly too many to list here!
And, MOST of them r brought on by self centered and/or clueless MEN!

[Rianna Humble]

one thing genetic women are offended by

I must DISAGREE, Bob! If in fact, "The ONE THING that offended GGs WAS the stealing or borrowing of their clothes", I believe the following would also be fact:
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I can think of HUNDREDS of other things that mite offend them. Certainly too many to list here!

In actual fact you are not disagreeing with what Bob wrote at all because Bob never wrote "The one thing" which would imply that there were no others, he wrote "one thing" which implies that there are others.

[Byanca]

I should have said I was referring to adults. Minors are not going to be able to buy hteir own until adulthood. But youngest adults may not be used to buying their own stuff.
An adult who is 22 is still a minor when it comes to experience in the CD world. The sooner they acquire the confidence to buy their own things, on their own time, the better off they will be.

This is something people have to develop over time. One technique, when just starting out, is to simply say you are buying them for you girlfirend or your sister.

I agree. But the primary responsibility lies with parents to teach their kids to buy their own clothes. It's not an inherent capability to adhere to human invented laws. Especially when one is thought that it is wrong to do something that is right, so parents are not following the law..... It's actually the right thing to do, to steal, make a wrong right, if it's not accepted.

If you need food and it's overflowing in the rich peoples house, you take it. It's normal human behaviour. Sure. It sucks for the novelty, but they will get over it. They steal more from the peasants.

[Stormgirl]

Put yourself in her shoes OP, would YOu like it if somebody kept stealing your clothes and underwear? I know I wouldn't like it.

For those that know me(that I'm a MTF TS), I usually ask where did they get such and such article and buy it for myself. Stealing is wrong period!

[Byanca]

Stealing is wrong period!

Sure. But imo good police work(or parenting) is preventing stealing. Not punishment. I've never believed in that.

Put yourself in her shoes OP, would YOu like it if somebody kept stealing your clothes and underwear? I know I wouldn't like it.

me neither. I would like better to give them away.

[Marilyn Beck]

Back to the clothes: other than the size difference (which is a no-brainer, since nobody wants their clothes stretched), why do you think TGs are more tolerant of their wives wearing their stuff than the reverse? Or do some of you also feel your boundaries are stepped on if the wife or gf helps herself to clothes, accessories, or makeup without asking? Would you be OK if she used some of your other possessions?

As a matter of moral principle, there should be no double standard about CDers stealing from their wives or vice versa. Stealing is wrong. However, I would take some pleasure if my wife helped herself to my feminine items because it would tend to validate my CDing, which she begrudingly accepts. I would get a kick from the fact that the stolen item is good enough to be desired by a GG. I could also point out that having items for her to borrow is an advantage of having a CDing husband. On the other hand, if I were to steal or borrow her feminine things, she would perceive it as another bad thing about having a CDing husband.

After 31 years of marriage, my wife and I take certain liberties with each other that would not be acceptable with other people. We have pretty much figured out where the boundaries are and which items are fair game to be borrowed. For example, I don't mind a bit if she uses my blow dryer, but I get annoyed when she uses my computer.

[drushin703]

in my early days (puberty) a large part of my invention was finding something that I had never found
befor and putting it against my skin.curiousity placed me in my mothers room ,when she was away,
and had me try on one of her satin paneled , long leg girdles.what a fantastic feeling.what I invented
for myself was crossdrressing without any outside stimulus or influence from any other person..and
I, thruout the years, have been truly proud of it.at least until I read this post.steeling is such a charged
and powerful word and we should be careful to not associate it, EVER, with discovery.........dana.

[Rianna Humble]

I think a lot of emotive language has been used in this thread which loses sight of the original post's point. To my mind when children experiment with a sibling's or a parent's clothes, they are committing the lesser offence of Taking Without the Owner's Consent - which under English law at least is dealt with differently from stealing (especially stealing for profit).

When an adult takes a partner's stuff without asking to keep for his/her own, that can be categorised as stealing. Even if they later give it back, they have still profited from the theft.

[Kaz]

"Back to the clothes: other than the size difference (which is a no-brainer, since nobody wants their clothes stretched), why do you think TGs are more tolerant of their wives wearing their stuff than the reverse? Or do some of you also feel your boundaries are stepped on if the wife or gf helps herself to clothes, accessories, or makeup without asking? Would you be OK if she used some of your other possessions?"

Hi again ReineD,

This for me is simple... if my SO borrowed my clothes it becomes a form of acceptance. This is of course potentially naive and it depends on how old you are.

But my "borrowing" from her without her knowledge, which of course I have done and most of us have at some stage of our "journey", is completely moraly indefensible. They are two very different positions.

I am not in the position you are in. My SO knows but I am in the "It's OK as long as it doesn't touch normal life mode" stage, so I don't share my wardrobe...

But... at the beginning you kind of do wear your SO's.. or your mother's knickers (depending on circumstance)... then you buy your own... and that is so much more rewarding!

It is a great sense of relief when you buy your own... I remember that day well, even though it was long ago.

But then you have find a place to put it!

Best Kaz xx

[BLUE ORCHID]

Rule no. 1 Don't borrow your SO's clothes!
Rule no. 2 If you feel you must borrow your SO's clothes see rule no. 1again!

Orchid

[Kathryn Martin]

That's a good point! Back to the clothes: other than the size difference (which is a no-brainer, since nobody wants their clothes stretched), why do you think TGs are more tolerant of their wives wearing their stuff than the reverse? Or do some of you also feel your boundaries are stepped on if the wife or gf helps herself to clothes, accessories, or makeup without asking? Would you be OK if she used some of your other possessions?

Reine, thank you for the nod although I am not sure I deserved it. I added this point because I tried to make light of the question. I have to say this discussion is so outside of common human sense. Of course within a family unit everyone constantly borrows stuff from each other with or without the knowledge of the owner. I am sorry but I simply cannot draw any distinction between Martin borrowing Elizabeth's pen when he needs to sign a check or Elizabeth borrowing my bag while I am in the office, Anna using my face wash while I am still asleep and Kathryn trying to see if a 32E of Elizabeth fits her (which it of course doesn't and she knew that but just thought it was cool to confirm that the band does not go around her chest), but was bought by Martin and recently borrowed by ....... According to this theory here, we should all be in jail, after which we will transferred straight to hell to eventually atone over millions of years in purgatory.

This is just so silly. There is something else at work if this is really a boundary issue which in my estimation has nothing to do with personal morals but with the transition of an SO or others into a world where the TG person is actually real in their life. If it is a boundary, then we must say so, and the behavior will likely stop. Elizabeth can have my last shirt, man or woman shirt, I'll give it to her, I will wrap it around her for any reason whatsoever. Except of course, toothbrush

[Leslie Langford]

...Back to the clothes: other than the size difference (which is a no-brainer, since nobody wants their clothes stretched), why do you think TGs are more tolerant of their wives wearing their stuff than the reverse? Or do some of you also feel your boundaries are stepped on if the wife or gf helps herself to clothes, accessories, or makeup without asking...?

I honestly don't know the answer to this.

At the risk of saying something that may well be construed as being politically incorrect, I think that it has a lot to do with the way most GG's are socialized from birth to expect to be sought after and treated like princesses - starting right with being "Daddy's little girl..." while still in diapers. This give them a sense of entitlement that carries over into adulthood and into all other aspects of their lives, and one that - except for the more narcissistic among us - doesn't seem as prevalent in genetic males.

We agonize continuously here over whether or not to use women's fitting rooms or washrooms when out en femme, but it has been my experience that GG's use the same type of opposite sex facilities when so inclined without giving it a second thought. If I had a nickel for each time I saw or heard a a teen-aged girl in the men's fitting room trying on men's jeans or shirts (since it is so much "cooler" to wear the real deal as opposed to the feminine version) I'd be the proverbial rich man. And as for using the men's room, well, if the line-ups in front of the women's washrooms are too long for their liking and "when ya gotta go, ya gotta go!", then the beeline is straight to the men's room with, at best, a perfunctory "May I, it's an emergency?" before barging in. When was the last time anyone saw a non-crossdressing genetic male having the cojones to do the same thing?

Of course, the ultimate manifestation of this is when our preference for wearing opposite sex clothing is called "crossdressing" and often raises eyebrows (if not outright derision), whereas for GG's to dress in men's clothing is considered to be edgy, risque, and fashion-forward - in fact, downright admirable - as it allegedly demonstrates very visibly that she wants to be treated like "one of the guys". That's generally considered to be a "good" thing, and somewhere along the way, it evolved that being a "girly" girl is not something most GG's aspire to in today's world. A case of "if you can't beat them, join them", perhaps?

[t-girlxsophie]

My wife and I Made the arrangement early on that we could borrow each others clothes-with the exception of undies (thats is just a little eeugh)and wash them after wearing.as long as between you both,you set the bounderies and always adhere to them.That shouldnt present a problem

[PretzelGirl]

My wife and my daughter have shared clothing in the past. So in the path of a family tradition we go.... But my rule is to ask. And for my daughter, who comes and goes in a flash, she does tell my wife when I am not around. So you look at the advantages. As others have said, this is a big sign of acceptance. Would a non-accepting family member want to put your clothes on? Then it is a validation of your choices of style. Some of us are behind the power curve on selecting styles as we are just starting out, relatively speaking. So if something gets borrowed, it must have some taste and relevance. Last, I now know I can get my daughter a lot of layering camis this Christmas as she really seems to need some.