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    The question of whether your wife will "let" you shave your chest hair, or if she is "asking" you to keep it because it helps her feel that you are still her man is debatable.

    Often when people describe issues in a hurry, they don't pay too much attention to the precise meaning of the words they use, and also they do post from their own point of view and not their partners. This is why any discussion on "letting" vs. "asking" from other members here is counter productive. It also doesn't address the issue you would like resolved. And, as much as we like to believe that we should all have full control over our own bodies, the question of male feminization is NOT the same as whether either partner should choose to get a haircut or put on weight, since the haircuts and the weight are every day, garden variety options. Male feminization is not and it behooves both partners who are in a relationship together, to discuss this.

    At any rate, the importance is that you are both talking about it, I assume in a spirit to come to a meeting of the minds.

    I can tell you how my SO approached this. First, she didn't ask, she just did it, and I assumed that she didn't consider that I would have an opinion either way. This hurt a little but I didn't say anything since it was water under the bridge and I got over it. Second, she goes out frequently in the mainstream and in the summer time the tops show more of her upper chest and back than do men's clothing. So as with the legs, in our case it did make sense that she would want to shave in order to not attract undue attention to herself while going out. She then told me, and it makes sense, that it is much easier to keep it up throughout the year since it is quite time consuming to have to shave an area that hasn't been shaved in quite some months. My SO also has a lot of body hair. So .. the shaving is not an issue for me even though I also enjoy male chest hair. I also consider her need to present femme convincingly of prime importance.

    My SO doesn't tend to focus the crossdressing on bedroom lingerie though, even though once in a while she'll wear lingerie. But, if her focus was on this and she wanted to shave her body because she felt the body hair looks unsightly (as opposed to the more utilitarian reason of shaving it in order to present in public more convincingly), I'd wonder if she was developing a degree of Gender Identity Disorder (GID), and if this might be an indication of a future pathway to wanting to alter her body in other ways or eventually live as a woman full time. Not saying that having GID is bad, just that it needs to be considered.

    This could be your wife's larger concern and if it is, I don't know what to suggest. If she begins to believe that you feel as a woman internally and this is something that is always present as opposed to a desire to present as a woman occasionally, the two of you have more to talk about than whether you shave your chest or not. There is a possibility your wife will be turned off in the bedroom if she is not keen on having a relationship with another woman? I don't know this, you should ask her.

    I don't know your wife or her motives and I can't be of more help with regards to your decision to shave or not to shave, but hopefully I've given you something to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    I can tell you how my SO approached this. First, she didn't ask, she just did it, and I assumed that she didn't consider that I would have an opinion either way.
    There's the answer. It's easier to get forgiveness than permission. Not that you should need permission.

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    Nicole, you didn't quote my next two words (plus the real context of my message), so I'll add them here:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    This hurt
    And this is important too:


    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    And, as much as we like to believe that we should all have full control over our own bodies, the question of male feminization is NOT the same as whether either partner should choose to get a haircut or put on weight, since the haircuts and the weight are every day, garden variety options. Male feminization is not and it behooves both partners who are in a relationship together, to discuss this.
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    That is one thing that I won't do out of respect for my wife. Every night, while laying in bed, she reaches over and caresses my chest. I know she likes running her hands across my hairy chest, and I really enjoy when she does that. She has been awesome with my dressing; this is one thing I want to keep masculine for her sake. I shave my armpits when fall arrives, and this year I will surely shave my legs, but my chest hair stays. She has not been demanding about anything, and if I really wanted to, she would not stop me, but I know she would prefer that I wouldn't...so I won't.
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    I would say, if this is something YOU really want for yourself, then you should approach your wife and maybe ask her WHY she feels this way. Sometimes its not so much the WHAT, its whats behind it. Women tend to be sensitive (and I so put myself in this catagory, probably overly sensitive...my poor husband.....) and maybe she's associating the chest hair with something else. However, I would NOT advise you to shave it without talking to your wife. Knowing that this isn't something she wants, or isn't comfortable with just yet, would deftinitely be hurtful to her if you did it anyways. Good luck!
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    My opinion is absolutely do NOT do it without your wifes tacit agreement. I agree with others that you should talk to her to better understand why she objects.

    I am actually shocked that folks on here are advising you to go against something your wife has asked you to specifically not do because its your body or other archaic rationalization. Marriage is a compromise and requires mutual respect. She is accepting which is significant, don't ruin it by violating her trust.

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    I asked my girlfriend if she was okay with me shaving my chest. Although she was hesitant, she agreed. Now she loves the look of my shaved chest. So there is hope you can get where you want even if she does not support it now. I recommend just keep working with her. Maybe rent some movies (I recommend "300") that display guys with no hair on their chest. That might help her take that first step of at least seeing what it looks like. Maybe you should also ask her to help you shave as then it is a "couples" activity instead of something you are doing on your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degofab View Post
    Thank you all for answering the call as it were. I appreciate your thoughts and comments. I am very lucky to have a supporting wife and cherish her for it. I would never push it as you all say, I respect her opinion. I guess what I was really asking about was how to explain the underlying feelings and desires to her. If it's a deal breaker I wouldn't dream of doing it, was just hopeful to get some insight on how to possibly sway her opinion. I love and respect her and if she won't budge, no problem. Hoping she will though
    you might still phrase it the same way that you would like to feel fem completely and ask if you can do it for the entire month of your birthday--she might even toss in some lingerie as a gift. It's pretty hard resisting someone's birthday present request and that might start the ball rolling. Peope like hair who don't have to deal with it every day--for us hairy folks, it can be a real chore. good luck

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    I concur with my sisters. A little hair is a small price to pay for an understanding spouse
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    I got a "body hair compromise " with my hubby. Do not know if it works for you and your wife. Just want to let you know.
    He is allowed to do laser to get rid of some of the hairs. You do not get all at one session. So there are some left, but there not so much like before. And I have the first call to say stop thats enough no more laser session anymore.

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    Just thought I'd post that my fiance LOVES my chest and abdomen to be shaved, but freaks out if I shave my legs.
    Theres compromise to be had!
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    My wifey is the same way. She loves my chest hair, but when it gets overgrown, she trims it for me. She says she wants a man, not a babboon! lol.

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    I just wonder how many of the women who are married if they weren't married to the person, and had no idea if they had a hairy chest / shaved chest or hairy legs / shaved legs if they'd care either way as to if they wanted to marry them on that point alone.

    It goes back to the "clothes don't make a person, what's between their ears makes them." Sure, what you're wearing is about function and comfort (wear long pants in the woods to avoid getting poison ivy/oak on them, avoiding some really bad discomfort later / wear shorts if you want in the summer because they are cooler, but some people don't feel comfortable in shorts. I am one).

    Sure, having a hairy chest is seen as "manly," but is that because it is manly? Or is it because it's what's been told to us is manly. Most women don't have any complaints about a clean shaven face, in fact, many prefer it. It's actually the least manly thing to do since it's the only thing that most people will see. Having facial hair is "manly."

    I think that most women would be okay with a shaved chest if the man was shaving before she was married to him. It's almost like she's saying "I married this...but you've turned into THIS." To counter ReineD's post, if you are shaving your chest, it's not a permanent feminization. In fact, there are some manly muscular men who have clean shaven bodies.

    To the OP, if it was me, I'd ask my wife if I could shave it for a month, and she could see if she liked the clean vs hairy looks and feels. The hair will grow back, and if she "allowed" it, make sure it's the only change you make at that moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiffanyjo89 View Post
    I think that most women would be okay with a shaved chest if the man was shaving before she was married to him. It's almost like she's saying "I married this...but you've turned into THIS." To counter ReineD's post, if you are shaving your chest, it's not a permanent feminization. In fact, there are some manly muscular men who have clean shaven bodies.
    I didn't express myself well at all. Sorry.

    It's not the act of shaving chest or leg hair in itself that is the issue. After all, many men shave for other reasons, such as cycling or body building for example. It can easily be a personal preference that has nothing to do with gender identity.

    But, the issues come in when the motive for shaving is to be more feminine. This is what causes some wives to want to put the brakes on, since they just don't know how far it will go, plus something like this makes them question their husband's gender identity. I know it is not a permanent feminization, but I guess you could say that many wives see it as a red flag. If their husbands shave for the other reasons I mention above, then the red flag would not be there since there is no question of ambiguous gender identity if a husband is not a crossdresser.

    I meant earlier that it is not so much about the shaving, but the motives behind it, and this is what Degofab needs to be discussing with wife.
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    Reine, it was not my intention to distort your post by quoting only part of it. You gave some reasons why the chest shaving made sense. So the beef was about not asking for permission, I guess.

    I shave my arms, legs, and chest, but only seasonally since I am closeted. I shave not to be more feminine, but to appear more feminine when I dress. My wife doesn't see it as a red flag, as a sign of desiring further feminization, because she knows why I dress and where it's headed. There's no slippery slope here. But I agree with you that some wives see it as a red flag because they don't know the motive or where the feminization will end. I think this a separate issue from asking permission to shave.

    My wife and I have an understanding about my crossdressing. As much as I do, she wants it to remain in the closet. If I wanted to do something (for example, surgery to make my facial features more feminine) that crosses the line of our understanding, I agree it should be discussed. But not shaving the chest. Just my opinion.

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    I just shave above my breasts and trim a bit below.....that way I don't have hair sprouting all over up top and the hair below is also not like a jungle!

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    If she won't let you shave it epilate

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    Again thank you all for your opinion and taking the time to voice them. I have spoken with my wife and she loves my chest hair, loves to run her fingers through it. I also have a pretty badass moustache that she also loves. My desire is to look more feminine and feel more feminine as well. I don't think she is afraid I will become too feminine as she understands it is a deep down set of feelings and desires that allow me to dress. After speaking with her more about it last night I opened her eyes a bit. You see, for her when I dress up it is a turn on, she gets really excited to see me like that. I explained to her that for me it is more than just sexual. I do it to feel feminine and beautiful. Now knowing that it is more than just dressing up for her, as she liked to believe. She knows I do it not only for her stimulation but for my desires I've had since I was young. I will respect her wishes to keep the chest hair as it is a compromise for both of us. Thank you all again for your support, and before trying to psychoanalyze my intentios, just ask me how I feel.

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    Sorry Robin ... about the psychoanalysis, I mean.

    Forums in general are filled with people who dearly love to give their opinions (myself included ) and sometimes I swear people lose sight of the fact that it is a real person who started the thread. In many instances an opening post is the springboard for a philosophical discussion on the pros and cons of whatever issue is presented, and an opportunity for people to share how the issue has played out in their own lives.

    I'd say this is true of most discussion forums, so please try to not take it too personally. It's the nature of the beast, I'm afraid.

    BTW, welcome to cd.com!
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    Well, it looks like this matter is settled but I'll throw in my anyway.

    First, thanks Reine and the other GG's for you insight as to why shaving can be such an issue. I've shaved my legs for sports for awhile, so I took it upon myself to shave my armpits assuming it was no big deal, right? Wrong? My wife has been terrific since I came out but this was something that really upset her and I just couldn't figure it out. It's not the shaving it is what it (possibly) represents. Basically, another step away from masculinity. When your SO is insecure about what all this means it is logical to see how "surprises" like this can have an upsetting effect. Lesson learned - talk about it beforehand.

    My wife also really likes my chest hair and hates the stubble from shaving. Personally, I have always hated shaving, gender issues aside, and would go clean if I could. The chest hair was a big deal for her. Compromise is the best way to go. We talked about it and I trimmed down to my “décolletage” and leave the rest unshaven. I keep on top of the part that I DO shave. Frankly, cuddling with my honey means more to me than fighting over shaving.

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    How come everyone is misunderstanding some one ? I dont understand that

    I am also not "allowed" to shave any of the hair but the face. Since my wifey enjoys being with me when I am "me" I think I do not want to insist of shaving chest, arms , legs. It is true that it reduces my full experience but what's an impact against all the love that she provides. Whenever I have talked to her she agrees but is also sad. I am in so much love with her that I can't see her sad. Not removing my hair is a small price to pay for all the fun we have together.

    Just my 2 cents ( or 50 paise ) or whatever )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debglam View Post
    Frankly, cuddling with my honey means more to me than fighting over shaving.
    Quote Originally Posted by tinachristina View Post
    I am in so much love with her that I can't see her sad. Not removing my hair is a small price to pay for all the fun we have together.
    Awww! To the two of you and everyone else who accommodates their SO's wishes when they have a hard time with it, I just want to say,


    Disclaimer: there are CDers who shave and their SOs are OK with it, and that's good too.
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    Perhaps a compromise would work, I can tell you what worked for me. As a natural redhead (bald now) I never had a lot of chest hair nor was it very thick. When I decided to shave my chest my SO was disappointed but she suggested that I leave a landing strip between my man boobs. Since I don't wear revealing tops I don't worry about cleavage and the bra covers most of the hair anyway. Maybe you could suggest a compromise like that to your wife, it could be a win-win situation for both of you.
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    Interesting for me to read - I have to remind myself that a typical man has a hairy chest unlike my relatively hairless breasts, and I am not on hormones. I do get ribbed by my wife on a regular basis about my "chi-chi's" or "tits". I do shave my chest but there is not very much to shave off - just to tidy things up.

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    Guy at work told me he shave's his chest because it,s much cleaner and he doesn't sweat as much, and tells me it's the best. Got home and tried it and she loved it and also thought it looked much cleaner and made me look younger. Only problem is that it's a lot work to keep on top of it.

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