An Open Invitation To Express Why You Feel The Way You Do About Men In Skirts/Dresses

[Jason+]

Many forum members have expressed great support for myself and others that would present in public as men who like to wear dresses, skirts or other items of womens wear with comments ranging from "You're very brave to wear what you want" to "I wouldn't be caught dead in my own house without being fully done with wig and makeup but good job for being you on your terms."

There is another group who feels very strongly and vocally that anything less than passing/blending should be totally hidden away calling it "half-dressed," "half assed," "lazy" and "damaging to the image of all cross dressers." This group has made it quite clear that it is an all or nothing proposition. There is no middle ground and the only way for CD's to gain acceptance is for all to pass/blend.

The areas I would like to see addressed by the second group are:

• Why do you have to be a woman to wear a skirt or dress?
• How does a man in public in a skirt or dress that is reasonably modest and who has done nothing illegal or immoral damage the image of cross dressers?
• If you have successfully passed or blended and John Q. Public doesn't know you were a CD how has that helped John Q. accept?

Rather than dismiss those of you who feel this way perhaps I have missed or overlooked something that is critical. I ask simply that for all who reply please check your bias at the door and try to educate without derision.

[Kaz]

Hi Jason,

I guess this comes down to your definition of CDing. What I have learned from this community of ours isn't that there are two "camps" who are diametrically opposed, but that this is a very mixed bag! Freddie's recent post highlighted this point well (Frederique).

I do not want to and have no intention of presenting in public as a bloke in a dress. Do I have a problem with guys who do? Not at all. So how does my desire to present as female and try to get as right as I can cause problems for you?

The main reason I CD isn't because I want to wear a dress in public. It is because I want to feel and hopefully look feminine.

My daughter is a fashion designer specialising in male clothing. Every fashion show I go to some designers these days do skirts for men.

It is on the agenda!

[Eryn]

I don't us as much as representing two camps as much as a wide spectrum. Perhaps something like this:

CDers who don't dress unless they are wearing formal or evening wear and full makeup.
CDers who dress and pass completely as female in public.
CDers who dress privately but still want a completely femme appearance
CDers who wish to present androgynously.
CDers who go out dressed but don't worry about being perceived as female
CDers who dress privately but don't worry about makeup, etc.
CDers who wear bits and pieces of feminine attire in public if they can get away with it
CDers who underdress, wear nightgowns, etc.

(along with many other levels)

As I've said in other posts, I wish that I could just throw on a floral blouse and lipstick and be treated normally in public, just as a GG would. Like most GGs, I dislike full makeup. However, if I have any hope of going out in public I at least have to give the impression of being female and with my looks and build that means I need all the help I can get from Max Factor.

I have a lot of respect for the blokes in dresses, but I don't think that I could bear that level of attention.

[Sarah_Jane]

You should be able to wear what ever you want. I dress fully just so I feel less conspicuous in public, and it fits my persona better. If you can dress in a skirt while presenting as a male then kudos to you and your massive self esteem!!!!

[Katesback]

I am going to express something here. Being a woman or a man is a 100% effort. That is one reason I tell TS girls that the sooner they get past the switching back and forth the better.

Now lets talk about a CD. Someone that (in nearly all cases) only presents a woman a tiny portion of the time. I will give you an example. Lets take a perfect static presentation of a woman. Someone that if standing still in just about every viewers eyes fits in perfectly. Then take that same person and animate them. Because they live most of thier lives as a man it does not really matter how great they look because they will still give away major signs of something amis.

From my observations of CDs there are two groups (that venture out into the world). One is the guy in a dress and the other is a guy in a dress that over exadurates what they see as aspects of what a woman is. Neither one really will fit in seamlessly and perhaps that is why one will rarely ever see a CD out in the real world.

So thats what you face. As always I would encourage you to do whatever ya want but just know its not an easy task to take on.

Katie

[Cynthia Anne]

To each, there own!! I do not judge and don't give a rats if you judge me! I think my signature explains it! Hugs!

[Jocelyn Quivers]

As one of those all or nothing members of the second I will try and respectfully answer in an unbiased manner.

•Why do you have to be a woman to wear a skirt or dress?

This is the type of person I have always been be it male or female mode. To use the expression there is no "dimmer switch" with me. The light is completely on or off, there is really no in between with anything I do. Therefore as a guy I am in complete guy mode, there are no dresses, skirts, pantyhose, make up or anyting. It's 100% guy. Same with fem mode. When dressing there is no "guy in a dress look." It's everything wig, make up, everything, no partial dressing. Further going into this, I do not feel right or good about myself in girl mode unless I am completely 100% dressed. This maybe has something to do with my "dual gender issues. "In orther words when I look in the mirror I do not want to see a guy staring back.

I will finish this answer by saying. This is my own personal choice, it's not really one I would recommend or suggest how others choose to go about there trans existence.

•How does a man in public in a skirt or dress that is reasonably modest and who has done nothing illegal or immoral damage the image of cross dressers?

I must decline answering this question, for reasons I do not wish to post on a public forum. Sorry, I know I am chickening out with this response, but it's just really do not wish to respnd

•If you have successfully passed or blended and John Q. Public doesn't know you were a CD how has that helped John Q. accept?

I don't go out in public, and I do not pass. If I were to pass (at least 20 years minimum from accomplishing if ever) and go out in public I think it helps in easing peoples fears or misconceptions about cross dresser. The closest example I can use for this was there was a time my wife and I were shopping. We saw a Cross Dresser, she was well dressed, presented herself well, and did not do anything or dress in a manner to draw attention to herself. It was confirmed when my wife was in the restroom and heard the CD talking to her wife or girlfriend in a very male voice that she was a CD.

Maybe she passed 50% of the time, mabye not, we will never know. The way this helps is that possibly for the people, store clerks etc she did pass in front of, maybe they were told at a later time that the broad shouldered lady who bought that dress a few minutes ago was actually a guy. Maybe the clerk who sold the dress may have had issues with cross dressers, but based upon the experience with one who basically passed, presented herself well, and at least attempted to respect the feminine form, might be swayed in her future opionon of crossdressers.

I will conclude by saying Jason, your look, is your look, that is how you choose to present yourself. I do not hold any issues with you or the other "guy in a dress faction" it's your personal choice.

Just as me being one of the "all or nothing must try to pass faction" is my personal choice, it's how I choose and want to present myself, because it is my personal choice.

In a world in which men and women can wear whatever they want without any repercussions. I will still choose strive to always dress 100%.

[Kathryn Philips]

The members of the CD/TV community falls within a complex spectrum. The lovely Eryn has cited some concrete examples. I personally fall within the

"CDers who dress privately but still want a completely femme appearance". The "privately" being a restriction only caused by my particular family circumstances.

I cannot personally identify with any other type of crossdressing that does not involve wanting to have a female looking face, female voice, female mannerism, and female interests and yet remaining strictly heterosexual in thought and in practice.

YET, I respect anyone who practices crossdressing in a different way or whose reasons are different to mine. In fact, not only I respect but celebrate, the fact that our community is so diverse. If all CDs where like me, wouldn't it be rather dull? For one thing, this great forum would not be possible.

So to all you whose CDing is expessed as retaining a male appearance but wearing a skirt; I celebrate!

[Kaz]

From my observations of CDs there are two groups (that venture out into the world). One is the guy in a dress and the other is a guy in a dress that over exadurates what they see as aspects of what a woman is. Neither one really will fit in seamlessly and perhaps that is why one will rarely ever see a CD out in the real world.
Katie

Does this mean that those of us who may pass (ie are not in your two extremes) are not on your radar? Think normal distributions...

[Alice B]

I'll simply say that it what you want that makes you feel good about presenting yourself. We each have our own ideas and goals is to what and who we are. The rest can take a flying you know what.

[Tammy V]

We are broad group, encompassing everything from someone that just wears panties to a full time transitioning trans woman. You are somewhere in the middle but unique like the rest of us. Express yourself and do what you do, enjoy.

[Intertwined]

My opinions an beliefs are no more right or wrong than anyone elses, We each have to do what is right for US, if you do nothing but try to keep others happy, you will never be happy yourself.

For me, being transgender means, embracing Both, the masculine and feminine. Although masculine and feminine are opposites, they are also complementary, opposing forces that are always seeking a balance with each other, they are two aspects of one, single reality.

I do not try to look like a female, I try to mix the masculine and feminine looks to come up with my own unique look. This unique look matches how I feel inside, MY gender identity is essentially androgynous, both male and female at the same time or genderqueer.

[Jason+]

Hi Jason,

I do not want to and have no intention of presenting in public as a bloke in a dress. Do I have a problem with guys who do? Not at all. So how does my desire to present as female and try to get as right as I can cause problems for you?

My daughter is a fashion designer specialising in male clothing. Every fashion show I go to some designers these days do skirts for men.

It is on the agenda!

Your desire to present as female causes no problems for me whatsoever. I have nothing at all against those who do up until they disparage me or anyone else for not feeling the same way. I hope to one day see those designs perhaps cut for those of us who aren't models.

From my observations of CDs there are two groups (that venture out into the world). One is the guy in a dress and the other is a guy in a dress that over exadurates what they see as aspects of what a woman is. Neither one really will fit in seamlessly and perhaps that is why one will rarely ever see a CD out in the real world.

So thats what you face. As always I would encourage you to do whatever ya want but just know its not an easy task to take on.

Katie

Most things worth doing aren't easy! Luckily for me seamlessly integrating was burnt out likely in the first or second grade long before I figured any of this out.

Kaz, Eryn and Kathryn

Like most things it is a spectrum, the first group covers the spectrum, the second a specific slice of it. The key part of the second group isn't that they are 100% but that those in that group feel it is the ONLY way to be not just for themselves but for all.

As I've said in other posts, I wish that I could just throw on a floral blouse and lipstick and be treated normally in public, just as a GG would. Like most GGs, I dislike full makeup. However, if I have any hope of going out in public I at least have to give the impression of being female and with my looks and build that means I need all the help I can get from Max Factor.

I have a lot of respect for the blokes in dresses, but I don't think that I could bear that level of attention.

The only way I know for for us to get there is for some of us to go out that way and let John Q. figure it out on their own. Having respect for those who have made the decision to be blokes in dresses lands you squarely not in group 2.

As one of those all or nothing members of the second I will try and respectfully answer in an unbiased manner.

•Why do you have to be a woman to wear a skirt or dress?

Further going into this, I do not feel right or good about myself in girl mode unless I am completely 100% dressed. This maybe has something to do with my "dual gender issues. "In orther words when I look in the mirror I do not want to see a guy staring back.

I will finish this answer by saying. This is my own personal choice, it's not really one I would recommend or suggest how others choose to go about there trans existence.

•If you have successfully passed or blended and John Q. Public doesn't know you were a CD how has that helped John Q. accept?

We saw a Cross Dresser, she was well dressed, presented herself well, and did not do anything or dress in a manner to draw attention to herself. It was confirmed when my wife was in the restroom and heard the CD talking to her wife or girlfriend in a very male voice that she was a CD.

Maybe the clerk who sold the dress may have had issues with cross dressers, but based upon the experience with one who basically passed, presented herself well, and at least attempted to respect the feminine form, might be swayed in her future opionon of crossdressers.

I will conclude by saying Jason, your look, is your look, that is how you choose to present yourself. I do not hold any issues with you or the other "guy in a dress faction" it's your personal choice.

Just as me being one of the "all or nothing must try to pass faction" is my personal choice, it's how I choose and want to present myself, because it is my personal choice.

In a world in which men and women can wear whatever they want without any repercussions. I will still choose strive to always dress 100%.

Jocelyn,

You have clearly conveyed that 100% is your personal choice and not the recommended or expected choice for all. Group 2 does not have that same level of mutual respect for a non 100%er. I hope that by being honest and up front with the sales people I interact with about an item being for me rather than furtively skulking around to the back of the store to try something or pretending it isn't for me will leave a more positive impression. So far it has seemed to work well, especially on return trips. Interestingly I don't have dimmer either. Whether I'm in the burliest of Military Men's Uniforms to the daintiest of sundresses I'm still a man.

For me, being transgender means, embracing Both, the masculine and feminine. Although masculine and feminine are opposites, they are also complementary, opposing forces that are always seeking a balance with each other, they are two aspects of one, single reality.

I do not try to look like a female, I try to mix the masculine and feminine looks to come up with my own unique look. This unique look matches how I feel inside, MY gender identity is essentially androgynous, both male and female at the same time or genderqueer.

And you look impressively awesome doing so, nice to make your acquaintance! I've best explained it as reserving the right to pick the better parts of either to make the complete me although that is pretty decidedly male.

[GirlieAmanda]

Jason I think this really needs to be said. This goes back to your recent threads about meeting the cable guy and shopping while you are a guy in a skirt. I feel compelled to be brutally honest with you. Yes, guys can wear skirts. It can be done in a tasteful manner. This is not really about you being a guy who likes skirts. Its about you purposely trying to be a spectacle.

This only applies to when you step out into the world. What goes on behind closed doors is private business.

Why do you even bother putting on lipstick? If you are just trying to enjoy the feeling of a skirt, then why are you trying and failing to look like a female out in the world? Why do you wear heels? You are essentially trying to be female but stopping at the head thus purposely becoming a spectacle for people to be shocked, appalled, creeped out, afraid, angered, and even violent toward. I know you will say that is society's problem if they can't accept you but you are deliberately mashing your desire to be shocking in their faces. If you want to wear skirts, wear a skirt. Wear it with class and dignity. Look like you mean it. It doesn't matter if you are a model. Anyone can have class and dignity. Don't end up looking like a half-assed CD and continue to reinforce the negative stereotype which most people have toward TG people by going out in something that makes you look A. Terrible B. Creepy and C. Like a spectacle. You are just begging for trouble and reinforcing intolerance looking like this out in the non TG world.

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[lil red]

Jason let me start off by saying at this point I have read no replies to your questions, so I am just putting my two cents in. As for the second goup that you mentioned ( the all or nothings), they are just as bad as "regular" society, except that they are ok with crosdressing as long as no one knows your not a woman. What a crock of sh*t! We are all inn this forum because we are looking for a place for others like us , a place where we can hang out and tell like minded people about our thoughts. This is a place of acceptance, or it is supposed to be. As far as their thoughts are a person like me cannot be considered a crossdresser because I will never "pass" as a woman, but I AM a crossdresser! As far I am concerned if you like wearing the clothes that are supposed to be for the other gender you are a crossdresser. For those of you that are the all the way - must pass minded people that are offended by this rant - TO BAD! If you can't accept people that are part of your group, then maybe you need a new group. We are all supposed to get along here, but as usual we can't. I for one would love to see the day when I could get up and go to work wearing a skirt or a dress and some nice heels. No need for make up and a wig to try to be someone I am not, just plain short fat me in a skirt or dress with some nice shoes and my nails painted. We have a long way to go before that day will ever show up. It is going to take longer with people in or own group telling us we can't do it! Sorry for the rant just can't stand any type of discrimination!

[kitchenette]

“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.” Oscar Wilde

[Stephenie S]

Wear whatever you want. As long as you are willing to be responsible for your actions, you can pretty much do want you desire.

And men DO wear skirts. Quite successfully I might add. There's a local gentleman whom I see in Barnes and Noble shopping for books. He is a large man. He has a full beard. The last time I saw him he had on a plaid shirt, a leather vest, lace-up work boots with knee socks and a cute pleated navy skirt. NO ONE pays the slightest notice of him. He's just another customer.

Want to wear a skirt? Go ahead. I don't think it's degrading to the community. What community? The crossdressing community? IMHO, he's not acting in a negative manner at all. He's just a guy who wants to wear a skirt. He has EVERY right to wear whatever he wants. There ARE men's fashions with skirts, you know.

Stephie

[Jean Ann S]

I say do whatever makes you happy

as long as it harms no one else

Jean Ann

[ReineD]

Why do you even bother putting on lipstick? If you are just trying to enjoy the feeling of a skirt, then why are you trying and failing to look like a female out in the world? Why do you wear heels? You are essentially trying to be female but stopping at the head thus purposely becoming a spectacle for people to be shocked, appalled, creeped out, afraid, angered, and even violent toward.

I understand that you're looking at it from your own perspective. Most everyone does this. But, I don't think you're being fair to Amanda and also I don't know that you've considered what it is about the CDing that might upset different people.

There could be some people who will see Jason and will admire his honesty. Basically, Jason is saying, "This is me and I am who I am". These same people might feel creeped out by seeing a CDer who tries to present as a full on woman with forms, hip pads, wigs, etc. Some people might see all of these things as fetish wear, even if there are no fishnet stockings or tight mini skirts. And then there will be a lot of people who just don't care if people present different than the gender norm, no matter the style of their presentation.

My point is that you shouldn't apply your own perceptions of how the mainstream may or may not feel to the way that Jason chooses to present, especially since he did say that no one treated him with disrespect and I can't help but feel that he just gives off a lot of good vibes that makes all the difference. So, if Jason is OK with his presentation in his own environment, why would you (or anyone else ... I'm not trying to single you out) object?

If someone were asking whether they should present as themselves wearing a tank & skirt, vs. clothing plus forms, wig, etc, I might also advise them to try to blend in with the gender presentation more, but in Jason's case he did present as himself with no unpleasant consequences.

[Jamie001]

Jason let me start off by saying at this point I have read no replies to your questions, so I am just putting my two cents in. As for the second goup that you mentioned ( the all or nothings), they are just as bad as "regular" society, except that they are ok with crosdressing as long as no one knows your not a woman. What a crock of sh*t! We are all inn this forum because we are looking for a place for others like us , a place where we can hang out and tell like minded people about our thoughts. This is a place of acceptance, or it is supposed to be. As far as their thoughts are a person like me cannot be considered a crossdresser because I will never "pass" as a woman, but I AM a crossdresser! As far I am concerned if you like wearing the clothes that are supposed to be for the other gender you are a crossdresser. For those of you that are the all the way - must pass minded people that are offended by this rant - TO BAD! If you can't accept people that are part of your group, then maybe you need a new group. We are all supposed to get along here, but as usual we can't. I for one would love to see the day when I could get up and go to work wearing a skirt or a dress and some nice heels. No need for make up and a wig to try to be someone I am not, just plain short fat me in a skirt or dress with some nice shoes and my nails painted. We have a long way to go before that day will ever show up. It is going to take longer with people in or own group telling us we can't do it! Sorry for the rant just can't stand any type of discrimination!

AMEN! Thank you for this post. It is all about people being themselves. For some folks, that means passing, and for other folks, it simply means a guy in high heels and a skirt.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

Jason

I don't believe your quotes are the prevailing attitude here...

Of course there are lots of differences and opinions, and you can find posts on everything under the sun here, but your OP takes some scattered dislike of your "style" of dressing, and makes it a strawman to argue against..

FWIW i think you are doing something different than what most people call crossdressing...and more power to you..
just keep doing what you are doing, and enjoy it...

[Melanie Sykes]

I'm 6'5". My wife is only partially accepting, and loves my facial hair, so getting rid of it is out of the question for the time being. My desire to dress is getting stronger I think as I get older; I dream of sashaying around in public, swathed from head to toe in gorgeous femininity the way GGs do every day without an inkling of how lucky they are. I do make myself do it sometimes, but it's only from the neck down and is more scuttle than sashay; I'd like to be able to do it without having to take hours to pluck up the courage first. It's not a matter of massive self-esteem as one poster put it; it's taking control over your fears for a short while, something I find very difficult. It takes a lot of guts to go out as a "guy in a dress" - there's an awful lot at stake - but I'd rather do that than never go out at all. It's such a huge adrenaline rush, and although I've had some strange looks, I've also had some smiles too - some from some very cute GGs Yes, some people are a bit shocked by it, but then what fun is life if there are never any surprises? I often ask myself whether I want society to change and become more accepting of CDers. I think maybe a little more acceptance would be good. But if it was the norm for men to wear skirts and heels, I don't think they would have much appeal for me because those items would cease to be girls clothes. And I can't imagine life without CDing - what on earth would you think about all day?! So a big thumbs-up from me to the guys in skirts - it does take a brave man to do it, and the more of us who do, the less frequently we'll get negative reactions. That said, my being a "guy in a skirt" experiences have all been positive so far.

[kendra_gurl]

Just like spiked pink hair, nose rings, those awful huge hole spacers in ears, tattoos all over ones arms and neck, the list goes on and on, these are all things we can see everyday in public. People do these things for whatever reason they have and its find if thats what they want. There will always be those of us myself included who will quietly think OMG how could anyone do that and think it looks good. Just because you like it and think it expresses your uniqueness thats cool as long as you accept there are those of us out there who disagree.

A male presenting himself as a male wearing a skirt in the fashion of a kilt is one thing that most would not take offense to in any way but a male presenting as a male wearing lipstick heels and a obvious Lady's skirt while obviously trying to look like a sorry excuse for a crossdresser in my opinion is just disgusting and DOES give all CD"S a bad reputation

[Jason+]

For the positive responses which have continued to show themselves to be the majority thank you.

Jason I think this really needs to be said. This goes back to your recent threads about meeting the cable guy and shopping while you are a guy in a skirt. I feel compelled to be brutally honest with you. Yes, guys can wear skirts. It can be done in a tasteful manner. This is not really about you being a guy who likes skirts. Its about you purposely trying to be a spectacle.

This only applies to when you step out into the world. What goes on behind closed doors is private business.

Why do you even bother putting on lipstick? If you are just trying to enjoy the feeling of a skirt, then why are you trying and failing to look like a female out in the world? Why do you wear heels? You are essentially trying to be female but stopping at the head thus purposely becoming a spectacle for people to be shocked, appalled, creeped out, afraid, angered, and even violent toward. I know you will say that is society's problem if they can't accept you but you are deliberately mashing your desire to be shocking in their faces. If you want to wear skirts, wear a skirt. Wear it with class and dignity. Look like you mean it. It doesn't matter if you are a model. Anyone can have class and dignity. Don't end up looking like a half-assed CD and continue to reinforce the negative stereotype which most people have toward TG people by going out in something that makes you look A. Terrible B. Creepy and C. Like a spectacle. You are just begging for trouble and reinforcing intolerance looking like this out in the non TG world.

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/...rt!&highlight=

So If I read you correctly the only reason I would wear what I do is to purposefully shock people and that I am only happy when I have successfully done so? Did it cross you mind that maybe I just liked the color of the lipstick and that it would match the shirt and shoes?

If I had chosen tennis shoes and no lipstick for the outfit would I have suddenly become non-shocking and suitable to go on publicly with my day? Would that remove the "A. Terrible B. Creepy and C. Like a spectacle" blocks? Would the average individual suddenly look and say no I don't need to kick his ass, he's only wearing a skirt but boy if he had on pumps and some makeup....

Since you called my other thread into question lets look at it. You bet! This subject absolutely has to do with one response in particular to that thread although I was resisting calling people out that directly. The attitude expressed there (and continued here) was simply one of the final straws before I decided to post my questions here.

So far you have managed to attack personally and yet at the same time failed to actually answer any of the three questions posed. If I were trying to be woman I would not have needed to ask why I should have to be one. The closest you have come to a credible answer if John Q. Public agrees with you is the charge of terrible/creepy/spectacle. Nobody owes me acceptance or even necessarily tolerance. They owe me keeping their hands to themselves and that's about it. It would be nice if they continue to keep it to themselves if they don't like me but they don't even "owe" that.

Jason

I don't believe your quotes are the prevailing attitude here...

FWIW i think you are doing something different than what most people call crossdressing...and more power to you..
just keep doing what you are doing, and enjoy it...

Kaitlyn,

Point made, given and again conceded. I have already stated it is not the prevalent attitude and in fact comes from a small but vocal and impassioned group. My goal was to look beyond the personal attacks and venom to see if there was something I could learn that I may have missed instead of just completely dismissing them.

Just like spiked pink hair, nose rings, those awful huge hole spacers in ears, tattoos all over ones arms and neck, the list goes on and on, these are all things we can see everyday in public. People do these things for whatever reason they have and its find if thats what they want. There will always be those of us myself included who will quietly think OMG how could anyone do that and think it looks good. Just because you like it and think it expresses your uniqueness thats cool as long as you accept there are those of us out there who disagree.

A male presenting himself as a male wearing a skirt in the fashion of a kilt is one thing that most would not take offense to in any way but a male presenting as a male wearing lipstick heels and a obvious Lady's skirt while obviously trying to look like a sorry excuse for a crossdresser in my opinion is just disgusting and DOES give all CD"S a bad reputation

You are absolutely entitled to disagree. I was hoping that those of you who do would be able to put into useable form why you feel the way you do so that I could learn from it. I get it. I will add your disgusting to the above mentioned terrible/creepy/spectacle and ask you the same question I asked GirlieAmanda. If I had chosen tennis shoes and no lipstick for the outfit would I have suddenly become non-shocking and suitable to go on publicly with my day? Would that remove the disgusting block? Would the average individual suddenly look and say no I don't need to kick his ass, he's only wearing a skirt but boy if he had on pumps and some makeup....

You've restated it gives all CD's a bad name but failed to even attempt to answer the actual question of how or why it does?

[Pythos]

It depends on how badly done the makeup is kendra. I have to say there are some responses here that should be re read by their posters, they come of quite...wrong.

There was one where it was stated "you wear women's clothing, but present as a male" or something along those lines, but state it in a very negative way. Excuse me, this IS what women do. The wear clothing based off of male styles, but present as women. Why is it when a male does the exact same thing he is "ugly" or "a joke" or so on. Now if there is makeup, and it is in a clownish manner, I can see people having issues. But if the makeup is well done, why is that such an issue?

I have in the past worn skirts in male mode, with lipstick and eyeliner. Recently I just wore eyeliner in a skirted outfit. I thought I presented a good image.

Am I presenting a negative image with this outfit? I wore this for a friend's wedding, was received quite well.



I am indeed a male in a cheongasm, the gown was fitted for my body.