Do you think pretty T-girls make men question their own sexuality?

[Marleena]

First of all I hope nobody finds the term T-girls offensive. We have some very pretty members here that can attract male attention. We know men are very visual. They see a hot girl and they get turned on.

Now what if they are attracted to a TG girl only to find out she isn't a GG? I'm sure some must go wtf and get angry for not realizing they are not a GG. Is it a dangerous thing?

*clarification*

I'm talking about TG girls that pass until closeup.Your thoughts? I have no idea myself.


The CD amirers are different since they are attacted to the TG girls in the first place.


Oh and why are Cd admirers attracted to TG girls? Is it the femininity, or do they think easy sex score?

[Tabitha Storm]

I think so. I have always considered myself to be straight but when I see a beautiful transgender or cd I am attracted to them. I don't think there is anything wrong with being attracted to beauty no matter it be male or female. I guess I would consider myself femisexual, attracted to those in feminine form.

[PrettyFlowingGown]

I think so. I have always considered myself to be straight but when I see a beautiful transgender or cd I am attracted to them. I don't think there is anything wrong with being attracted to beauty no matter it be male or female. I guess I would consider myself femisexual, attracted to those in feminine form.

I love the word femisexual, never heard that before!!!!
i am very attracted to a pretty transaxual or even another Pretty CD. I've been intimate with a CD a few times, and a transexual too, and they've been wonderful moments.
It is the beauty that appeals to me, but also feminity makes you want to act like women intimately too.

[TxKimberly]

You are talking about several different topics at once here I think!

1 - If your a T-girl that looks so flawless that men do not realize that you are not a GG, then no, there is no reason for them to question their sexual orientation. All they see is an attractive woman, and presumably this is what they desire.

2 - If you are that same T-girl, and you intentionally and knowingly come on to a hetero male, then I would say that yes, you are most definitely flirting with great bodily harm. If he thinks that you are a GG, thinks that he is flirting with a GG, and then discovers that you are physically a male, it takes no great act of imagination to picture him getting VERY angry, and God help you if this happens in front of anyone that he knows . . .

[kellycan27]

You are talking about several different topics at once here I think!

1 - If your a T-girl that looks so flawless that men do not realize that you are not a GG, then no, there is no reason for them to question their sexual orientation. All they see is an attractive woman, and presumably this is what they desire.

2 - If you are that same T-girl, and you intentionally and knowingly come on to a hetero male, then I would say that yes, you are most definitely flirting with great bodily harm. If he thinks that you are a GG, thinks that he is flirting with a GG, and then discovers that you are physically a male, it takes no great act of imagination to picture him getting VERY angry, and God help you if this happens in front of anyone that he knows . . .

Good answer.. I agree 100%

[docrobbysherry]

I don't know about other men, Marleena! However, next time a guy twice my size and 1/2 my age follows my to the deserted end of a parking building, (like happened in Vegas), I'll be SURE to ask him that question!

You are talking about several different topics at once here I think!

1 - If your a T-girl that looks so flawless that men do not realize that you are not a GG, then no, there is no reason for them to question their sexual orientation. All they see is an attractive woman, and presumably this is what they desire.------------------

Many of the lady boys of Thailand r EXACTLY as u described, Kim! Ever since I spent an evening in a bar full of them, I've been questioning MY sexuality! One that stayed with us for hours was SO FEM and SO HOT!
Of course, they weren't trying FOOL anyone there! Altho some could have quite easily!

[Michelle.M]

Do you think pretty T-girls make men question their own sexuality?

Your thoughts? I have no idea myself.

Marleena, this has been a rather interesting thread! Despite your later comments regretting what you've posted I kinda like seeing what people have to say.

When I read your first post I understood the implications you made regarding the difference between TS and CD, and although I am not offended by the use of the term "T-girl" (I use it all the time) we have to recognize that it isn't a standard term and definitely not one that has the same meanings to even everyone on this board (as we have now seen).

So, there seems to be some confusion and thus the answers reflect whether the person giving them is referring to a CD or TS "T-girl". My perspective is that of a pre-op TS.

Short answer, yes! And many men will quickly address that issue in one way or another. When I first began to date my boyfriend he quickly pointed out that he wasn't gay. I laughed out loud when I answered and told him "I certainly hope not! I'm heterosexual and I have no interest in gay men!"

I think one of the great obstacles to being accepted as a transgendered person is that some males do find thier own sexuality challenged. It seems that some men worry that they might be gay, and some men worry that they might really like being women. Certainly, it can be disconcerting for some men to feel a sexual attraction to a person, only to realize that the person is genetically male.

You've hit the nail on the head! Regrettably, men who are homophobic often express that in violence when they feel deceived. In fact, this is really the basis for much of that anti-trans bathroom legislation. The arguments always seem to center on the deception myth, that we're all out to ensnare unsuspecting men into doing horrible things that they'd never, ever dream of doing in their normal, decent, morally upright lives.

Yup, that's us. Bad, bad transwomen!

There has to be a lot of things in place to really "fool" a man. I also don't buy the Trans-panic thing so much as the Trans-OH-CRAP now they think I am gay panic. Note that doesn't mean that the violence isn't very real I just believe that usually it is the guy KNOWS what he is getting into then freaks afterward. (also part of that is the non-reveal by the TG... no matter how much you think you are female or how well you pass so to speak, you need to be honest before it gets to the point where you life could be in danger). And yes it would be dangerous that is why you have to take every precaution to protect yourself BEFORE it gets out of hand.

Exactly! But seriously, is there anyone here that is so dimwitted as to not be able to recognize when a man is flirting with her or finds her attractive? If you're pre-op, non-op or a CD you've got to do something -

- Discourage your suitor, leave the area or don't put yourself in that position in the first place, or

- if this is something you want then find a way to address the subject in a safe and non-threatening way

And above all, be careful! Always make sure that you know who you're talking to and try to understand how open minded they might be before you put yourself at risk.

I find the terminology confusing. Are you writing here about T(ransgendered)-girls? If it is the umbrella term, then you should just say CD's who pass to nearly everyone that sees them (or maybe not), and if you are talking about pre-,post-op trans-sexuals, then it would be better to say that (or she-males).

Busker, because you apologized to kellycan27 I'm going to spare you the drubbing that you so richly deserve. But seriously? 733 posts as of your last and you still talk like someone who gets all of your TG education from ******* porn sites. You've really got to start paying attention if you're going to hang around here.

And just so you know how bad this is, if you had called me a ******* to my face you'd find out very, very quickly just how offensive that term really is.

There is a big difference because a TS at some point will be looking for a male to have relations with as part of the natural progression since their ultimate goal is to BE a woman.

OMG, have you lost your mind? Do you really not know the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation? Are you really unaware that there are plenty of transwomen in all phases of transition who identify as lesbian?

With a TS who has had a vaginaplasty, there would be the proper equipment but the male may still feel that the TS is a man, having been born a genetic male

Really? So there's only one way in, hmm? Surely you do know that many heterosexual couples also engage in anal sex as a regular part of their sexual activities. Or is that news to you? So far, lack of "proper equipment" hasn't prevented me from having a fulfilling heterosexual sexual relationship.

[busker]

if you're going to hang around here.

Yes, exactly. I've been debating with myself whether there is anything here worth my time. After all, I'm JUST a crossdresser, living with lung cancer, wondering if this is the best place to spend my time when I might actually be doing something to further my interest in JUST crossdressing elsewhere.
well, TTFN

[TxKimberly]

Yes there were a few questions posed Kimberly.

As far as the guys being fooled I didn't mean in an intimate situation, I just meant as in them being attracted to her until closer inspection. Any T-girl that leads a guy on is asking for trouble, that's for sure.

It depends. While it is largely thought of us being kind of an Asian thing, ALL men are kind of touchy about "loosing face". If in the privacy of his own mind he was admiring you until he realized that you were not what you at first appeared to be, then probably "no harm no foul".
It's a whole different thing though if he is sitting in a bar, half tanked up with his friends, and was bragging about how hot you were to the others before they figured it out. I spent enough time in the Army with very macho men to know that some of them would almost feel obligated to hassle you after that.
"Yeah, that shim had me fooled for a moment, but then I kicked his freaking ass!" and then there are high fives all the way around the drunk table. Now every time they tell the story of "John" being fooled by the cross dresser, the story ends with "Yeah, but he kicked his ass!" and so it's all good in their world.

EDIT - Kelly's pointing out someone's use of an undesirable description or name for us leads me to believe that I should make it clear that I used the term "shim" to make my point of how some men might react. It sure as hell is not a term that I find acceptable myself.

[Janelle_C]

I also thinks it does. If it didn't way would they care how someone decides to dress. People that are very comfortable in there own skin and with there selfs seem to be much more excepting of different life styles. Hugs Janelle

[STACY B]

Your attracted to the PACKAGE not the contents ,,, OK,,,,,,,,,, You asked for my own STACY B Analogy ,,, If there was 1968 Camaro at a car show an it was Fine as Wine ,, Tricked out shinned up ,,Killer paint job ,, Would you care what kind of engine it had in it ? Cuz it looks great ! But you know dam good an well yull never drive it ! Now if you thought that you had a chance to drive it now you would want to know what under the hood ! So the same goes for your question when they look its only a Fantasy ,,, They can only get into trouble unless they take HER for a RIDE !! But they can dream all they want .....

[kimdl93]

I think one of the great obstacles to being accepted as a transgendered person is that some males do find thier own sexuality challenged. It seems that some men worry that they might be gay, and some men worry that they might really like being women. Certainly, it can be disconcerting for some men to feel a sexual attraction to a person, only to realize that the person is genetically male.

Admirers are probably a different issue. They may be gay or bi and find that a T-girl allows them to express that aspect of their sexuality while maintaining the facade of being straight.

[whowhatwhen]

A large amount of the population has horrible, outdated, and plain wrong ideas about what it means to be gay or bisexual.
In a healthy, tolerant society this wouldn't be an issue since everyone would know that being gay or bi means being physically/emotionally attracted to the same sex and nothing more.

Ideally, if a man were to find out that a woman was born male and he for some reason had a problem with it, he would politely decline going further and move on.
Instead, some turn to violence - to prove his straightness I suppose?

This isn't likely to change any time soon.
You can shout your own personal experience with sexual orientation and gender identity until you're blue in the face but some people will just plug their ears and go back to their opinions given to them by talk radio hosts and F list "comedians".
It's ironic/tragic how you find such attitudes HERE, OF ALL PLACES towards something you'd think they'd be more understanding/sympathetic about.

Just look at the Chick-Fil-A thread and tell me we're not totally boned.

[Persephone]

Isn't this the basis of the 1982 Blake Edwards movie Victor Victoria (click here for info)? Although she is a woman faking being a crossdressing man, King Marchand (James Garner), a decided womanizer, is very distressed by his romantic feelings for someone he believes is a man.

Of course, the all time best ending to a crossdressing movie (and maybe any movie ever!) is the last few seconds (click here, contains audio and movie spoiler) of Billy Wilder's 1959 Some Like It Hot.

As to it being dangerous in real life, Marleena, I think you know the answer to that one.

Hug,
Persephone.

[Marleena]

Isn't this the basis of the 1982 Blake Edwards movie Victor Victoria (click here for info)? Although she is a woman faking being a crossdressing man, King Marchand (James Garner), a decided womanizer, is very distressed by his romantic feelings for someone he believes is a man.

Of course, the all time best ending to a crossdressing movie (and maybe any movie ever!) is the last few seconds (click here, contains audio and movie spoiler) of Billy Wilder's 1959 Some Like It Hot.

Persephone.

In all honesty I've never seen either movie.

[katie_barns]

I question my sexuality ever day. It didn't take a t-girl to do that.............. Hold on I am a T-girl.......... Forget what I just said.

[Marleena]

I question my sexuality ever day. It didn't take a t-girl to do that.............. Hold on I am a T-girl.......... Forget what I just said.

LOl.. okay. Works for me!

[whowhatwhen]

"Being gay is the worst possible thing that could happen to me."
- Large parts of society in the year 2012

[Barbara Ella]

Face it men are visual. First impression of a pretty girl, GG or not, and they are hot to trot. After getting to know the person, their mind finally gets into gear, and they get to know what is under the hood, they see that their thought process, and their physical reaction process are on different pages. It will take a lot of thinking, maybe therapy, to sort out the feelings, depending on the depth of the attraction.


Now to pose a similar thought question. If a T-girl is attracted to another T-Girl, what side (male or female) questions their sexuality?

Barbara

[mykhelee]

One of my best friends over the past 20 years was what I thought was an avowed heterosexual...until I let him know I cross dressed....I was offended and strangely happy when he propositioned me.

[Voulez-Vous]

Do you think pretty T-girls make men question their own sexuality?

That depends on how pretty. I have to be honest and say 95% on this forum wouldn't.

[Marleena]

That depends on how pretty. I have to be honest and say 95% on this forum wouldn't.

Everybody's idea of pretty is different. I used the word as a generalization of TG girls that pass until closer inspection and would attract male attention.

[Vickie_CDTV]

As far as trying to fool men, trans folks have been assaulted and even murdered doing that (a friend of mine knew someone who was murdered after hooking up with a straight male, after having sex he found out she was trans and killed her.) Just google "trans panic" and you'll get an eyeful.

Is it the hyperfeminine presentation, or the idea of easy sex that attracts some men to trans? Probably both.

[Marleena]

As far as trying to fool men, trans folks have been assaulted and even murdered doing that (a friend of mine knew someone who was murdered after hooking up with a straight male, after having sex he found out she was trans and killed her.) Just google "trans panic" and you'll get an eyeful.

Is it the hyperfeminine presentation, or the idea of easy sex that attracts some men to trans? Probably both.

Good point Vickie! Trying to fool a GM to have sex is dangerous! I totally get that.

I was only referring to the laws of attraction.

[Vickie_CDTV]

Whoops, I misread a bit. I should have said that as far as straight men go, it is best to turn them away if they want sex because it can be dangerous,some have been... etc etc.