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    Welcome to NO MAN’S LAND

    [SIZE="2"]Welcome to No Man’s Land, the place where boys are not boys, males are not males, and men are not men, at least in the traditional sense. Oh, there are plenty of men in the MtF section, but they would prefer to not be seen as such, or reminded of such, and I count myself among them. I can discuss masculinity all the live long day, but on this side of the so-called fence we like to discuss femininity, relative to one's own definition, thank you, and enjoy the difference we have made for ourselves. If you are disturbed by the word “man,” I apologize. Pardon me while I head out to the battlefield

    Being a MtF crossdresser is like living in a trench in No Man’s Land, caught between the “lines,” at the front but (curiously) at the periphery, a casualty of the so-called “War Between the Sexes.” The imaginary battle lines have been drawn, but we are stuck in the middle, in a hopelessly exposed position. Projectiles, either verbal or silent, are hurled at us from both sides – males don’t like us, or don’t like our kind, and females really, really, really have a hard time accepting the fact that we exist. I’m talking about the compassionless individuals who “man” the trenches on either side of us, and not the few enlightened individuals we may encounter from time to time…

    Yeah, every man and woman is entrenched, and they won’t be going anywhere for a long, long time. That puts me, the MtF crossdresser, in a lonely position, strategically placed within an imaginary boundary. To tell the truth, I wanted to be here, apart from my male brethren, and I achieved my goal simply by changing my clothes – this simple act of expression banished me to a limbo of my own making, but I saw it coming. I didn’t want to be like THEM, so I packed up my “kit,” left the trenches of masculinity, and headed out to take my chances. Over yonder is my ultimate goal, the beckoning trenches of femininity - am I fully equipped to make the journey? I planned this sortie very carefully but, truth be told, my intelligence may or may not have been completely reliable…

    Initially, my “crossing” of the gender barrier made good ground. Surely the other side would be sympathetic to a male who has feminine proclivities, or someone who would willfully turn away from masculinity, modifying a “stance” that we males stubbornly reinforce at every turn. I sent out feelers to the other side, but, to my horror, they neither welcomed me nor accepted my kind. This came as a brutal shock – I had just stretched my logistics to the furthest limit, only to be thrown back at the gates of the (feminine) capital. I became entangled in the defenses. Alas, there are no reserves, and I must content myself with what I have. I dug in. I am not transgendered, I am merely a boy in a dress, something that is unwanted by society and the gender “armies” that keep everything separate. The latter are funded and/or supported by society, which leaves me endlessly isolated in No Man’s Land…

    I can’t go back. They don’t want me back in the male trenches – I’m detrimental to the public (male) good, since I represent anti-masculine weakness. This is a world built on strength, so my kind is seen as something less than desirable. I’m certainly NOT weak in character, in fact my conception of strength is the right one, and I will defend it at all costs – I will not give up on what is dear to me, even if it means a life spent in No Man’s Land, neither here nor there, under an increasingly relentless barrage of hatred from ALL sides. I cast my lot with fate, and I will do as best I can out here in the wilderness. My “trench” has become my home over time. Now and then I stick my head over the top, but not for very long – I know I’m firmly in someone’s crosshairs. I can neither advance nor retreat; in fact it takes all of my strength to hold the line against any incursions. I stand alone, far from my friends, and I shall remain here as long as it takes…

    There used to be the possibility of interaction between the genders, a “blurring” of sorts, but that is now discouraged. No Man’s Land is getting wider every day, but I’m still in position, surrounded on all sides…

    Are you stuck in No Man’s Land?
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    Yep, I'm straddling that fence daily. Thankfully it ain't a picket fence! It can be lonely but in the end (no pun intended) it's who I am and I'm at peace with who I am.
    Comfortable in my own skin.

    "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity, and never cease to be amazed by it!" Lazarus Long

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    Hunny I am on/in that fence/trench everyday and wouldn't have it any other way.
    Damn the torpedo's hurled at me daily I just don't fall into their guidelines and thats fine with me I dare to be different.
    I love who I am and refuse to follow the solid one way or the other gender line.

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    Pretty sad but true. Life was lonely before i started dressing fully. It is a lonely road and trench, but, I have gone out with olive branches, and a white flag, only, to be misunderstood, maligned by all but a very few, and go back in no man's land, too. Like World War I seemed like it would never end, but did after a hellish long time, so, this war, against crossdressing will end, someday, in somew way we probably don'r expect, in a way we may or may not like.

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    I'm sure if you look around there are a lot of us in that trench with you... The choices are very tough keep your head down and dug in where you are not likely to get resupply or climb out and get shot at from both sides. Pretty tough choices. I say we charge!

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    Sometimes it makes us feel like secret double agents! Do you agree?

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    Your post has left me shell shocked, Freddie! Not sure what to say and don't wish to offend.

    However, I don't find many folks of either gender that accepting of me in drab. So, I should expect them to accept me MORE wearing a dress!?

    BY FAR the most open minded, likable, and accepting folks I've ever met r other CD/TG/TSs! If ANYONE OUT THERE wants friendly folks to hang with, find some sisters and you'll likely have a great time!
    U can't keep doing the same things over and over and expect to enjoy life to the max. When u try new things, even if they r out of your comfort zone, u may experience new excitement and growth that u never expected.

    Challenge yourself and pursue your passions! When your life clock runs out, you'll have few or NO REGRETS!

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    Well said. I'm looking out of my fox hole responding here.
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    Exactly Sherry.
    You can't force people to accept what you do.

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    Although I am definitely a crossdresser, I do not consider myself to be in No Man's Land!! And I never have considered that! I am a man, amd always have been. The clothes I wear don't change anything, at least not as far as I am concerned. I dress like a female, but so what? It is my body, and I can dress it the way I like. If people don't like the way I dress that is their problem, not mine. Too many people on this forum worry about things over which they no control! Live YOUR life, don't let other people try to control you!
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    Well said, Frederique. When I hang out with my guy friends (and none of my friends or roommates know I dress... yet), it's all "boy, she's hot" and "dude, why are you drinking vodka cranberries when there's beer?". It's so funny how much people engage in gender stereotypes once you start paying attention to it.

    On the other hand, when I hang out with my ladies, I'm still the "guy" in the group and there's a certain level of detachment they give me as an outsider. Also a lot of "big sistering" in the form of "let me tell you what girls are like, it will help you date better" or "no, don't worry, you go hang with the rest of the guys, we're just having girl talk." And yet I think there would be at *least* an awkward period if I came out as a tg. Still in "No Man's Land" there
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    May be without no mans land in future

    Well as MtF CD I don't feel to be in no mans land – I am a man but I enjoy in my female part – all I think is that society barrier are pushing us in no mans land because a lot of people see it in wrong way (to much movies with “he man” as a stereotype and that will be shock therapy if he undress and they see tights). For now they don't understand what we are and the easiest way of answer is to put as nowhere so lot of mucho man feel very happy. One day CD will be accepted normal in society (there is a lot of girls today which will accept a CD boy friend but step by step I think).
    I don't wont to hurt anybody. I just wont to enjoy a life.

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    not in no mans land..on occasion i cross the lectric razor barbed wire fence..then cross back after i figure out genetic females have more issues than the guys..so i return and vow to treat my precious wife with more respect and give more attention to her needs (ie: i listen to her)...

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    I suppose so. I live much of my life on the women's side of the No Mans Land, but for some work and family activities, I don the uniform of the males and infiltrate their ranks. I'm a bit like a double agent...and when I'm on one of those mission the risks of discovery are significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimdl93 View Post
    I suppose so. I live much of my life on the women's side of the No Mans Land, but for some work and family activities, I don the uniform of the males and infiltrate their ranks. I'm a bit like a double agent...and when I'm on one of those mission the risks of discovery are significant.
    yep..its amazing what i have learned about the ladies when i venture into the helter skelter forbiden zone..makes me want to change into a much more caring guy and treat my lady with mucho respect..some of the converstations i have had with the ladies while shopping makes me glad i am not a women..dang some ladies have emotional, marital, kid stress that could knock out a pro wrestler in 5 seconds (i admit i like andre the giant)

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle64 View Post
    (i admit i like andre the giant)
    Personally, I think The Rock's sexier
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    I am not "stuck in no-man's land". I go into "man's-land" when necessary with no problems.
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    I signed an armistice long ago. The vegation has grown back there are even a few trees sprouting over there.
    Peace is wonderful.

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    Geez....sounds like the TWILIGHT ZONE!!! I can totally relate, but feel I get out of it for periods of time, brief glimpses of daylight and then quickly....silently (well once the makeup comes off for good!) I'm back in NO MANS LAND. Great post as usual Frederique....

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    Dear Frederique
    Although not original, I feel that it is important to speak out. I would just say I would rather be in the trenches with nobody else but you as you have been a voice amongst us who at times didn't have one. No Man's Land. Perhaps you would like to take a walk as I shield you from adversaries that don't understand. I will quote from my friend Jonathan Zap.

    "You are living in what might be the end of an approximately six-thousand-year period of patriarchal history and conditioning. The feminine in both females and males has been horribly oppressed and suppressed. Rebirth of the feminine means going out of the town and into the sometimes lonely frontiers of mutation and metamorphosis."

    "This realm is dying for the rebirth of the feminine. In terms of your individual psychology, rebirth of the feminine may include the re-empowerment of your intuition, an emphasis on authentic loving relationships and living of life as compared to emphasizing vertical spiritual transcendence or optimized functioning. Rebirth of the feminine means a reawakened connection to the body, the earth, spontaneity and unstructured time, eros as oceanic merger as compared to pornographic sex on the level of the genitalia or as metaphor for power."

    The land is neither sides right now. Everyone is feeling naked and lost, so they cling to what they have always known. We have been in two worlds, which don't exist. Only the two sides create these worlds which are just an illusion. We have created a trench so as not to be consumed by this world. It is time to take a stance, embrace the you, female male female, there is no words for what we feel.

    "Without rebirth of the feminine, you are stuck in the hell-matrix of the patriarchy where, as Jung put it: "The life giving rhythms of the eons becomes the dread ticking of the clock." Rebirth of the feminine allows for the further possibility of the inner alchemical marriage of your masculine and feminine elements and yields the empowered androgynous wholeness that is your birthright."

    So dear Frederique, I stand in-between and on the line with you. I will be wearing that short skirt but never the less you have many that know were right were we should be.

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    Kelli, The masculine will not disappear without bursts of violent rage. We see more and more shootings by enraged males. As society does become more feminized, the male anergy will revolt, and acts of violence increase. A hundred years ago, when every maqn owned guns, there were alomost none of these shootings, like today. The battlelines between macho and feminist , with cd's in No Man's Land, may end, with maleness going downhill, but, pockets of fierce macho resistance, with make life still dangerous of CD's.

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