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    Well, maybe I have watched way too many Westerns and read way too many articles in way too many places...

    There is this rumor going around, about Pros________ being THE oldest profession out there. The reason is simple. It was around longggggggggg before the internet, porn, men's magazines or the "institution" of marriage.

    True or false?^^^^ It's because of men's needs/PROGRAMMING to have as many kids as possible. Programming to have as many Os as possible. Our male brains do not distinguish between solo Os or Os with a partner. The REWARD is the same and the reward for men is supremely easy to achieve unlike most women.

    PART of the reason men take GG partners is to have someone ready, willing and able to go to O land with. And of course, coupled with ALL of the other stuff you have already heard. [from so many of the "ladies" here] A woman, just like any male OR same sex partner is a package deal.

    At least YOU already realize that most CDrs on the planet are MtF that are visually and O based. Something that no one ever wants to discuss here is that a hubby could turn to/might turn to CDing "more often" because he might find his SO has "let herself go" and I am not referring to the George Strait song either. [has to be one of the greatest songs ever]

    While it is true that "most men" won't care "too much" about a woman's change in "proportions", some will. A woman's self esteem is "likely" to change with proportion changes and whatever sex drive she had is likely to go down the tubes. All those smiling life sized FEmale faces [and bodies] on all those magazine covers at the checkout of any grocery store don't help anyone except the magazine publishers of course. Of course there are the tons of Internet porn sites also.

    Once any FEmale realizes that CDing for "most" men is simply about a man's basic PROGRAMMING and not his choice, she can decide if she wants to try to become a "better" or more willing/accommodating sex partner in some fashion. Which very well MIGHT lead to less CDing.

    At least for the 45ish and under crowd who [for the most part at this Forum] seem to still retain the O itch.

    Having a GG partner who wants, needs and enjoys sex/lovemaking [wrestling naked with a partner does not automatically REQUIRE an O from either party IMO] is a PART of what I need from a GG. Which at my age is why I no longer seek a female companion. Very few women over 50ish feel "good" about their looks and thus have poor self esteem along with very low or non existent sex drive.

    There are obviously many others here, who have similar attitudes/have given up/decided that finding a GG companion is simply not worth the effort required.

    And this just "might" pick you [or anyone else] up, should you ever feel down in the dumps for whatever reason. It's about taking lemons and making lemonade. Have your tissues handy. The steel guitar work alone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell-GG View Post
    Why do you need us when you have a ready made wife inside you??
    As many have said, we are not "ready-made wives inside." Heck, I think I'm pretty lousy company. Can't even imagine being married to me. :-)

    Most of what I wanted to say has been said, so I'll highlight some of the thoughts that resonated most with me:

    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaRoxx View Post
    Are you implying that because we like to dress up we dont need love and companionship? by "making compromises" are you saying that a woman could not love a CDer?
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    I dont think most people think of themselves as their own spouse, regardless of their gender. We still crave that very special someone who we can love and trust more than anyone else in the world. Its like that saying, no man is an island. Trying to be your own spouse sounds kind of like talking to yourself instead of sharing ideas with a friend.
    Quote Originally Posted by BLUE ORCHID View Post
    Hi Tink, It can be lonely when we can't share with the one that we love.
    One final thought: Gloria Steinem often said (although she didn't originate it) "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle," but I have never heard a crossdresser say "A crossdresser needs a woman like a fish needs a bicycle." Maybe the question should be why do women need husbands? And why do so many women stay with men who are alcoholics, gambling addicts, drug addicts, cheaters, and/or wife-beaters, but a man who is in touch with his feminine side is immediately a pariah? What does that say about our society?

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    Jamie makes a great point. Women will put up with a hell of alot. But dressing up seems to be a potential deal breaker.
    Tinker, you ask an interesting question. It confused me because its interal logic is full of more holes than swiss cheese. We arent replacing anyone, most definitely not our wives.
    I am extremely interested to hear what other questions and ideas are floated around the support groups. Knowing their true concerns would definitely help many of us with their SOs, as they may not be telling us everything on their mind.
    Back to your question. If a relationship is a tree... the husband the roots, the wife the leaves... each doing its part for the health and growth of the tree, then CDing is like sunshine. It envigorates, renews and feeds us. The symbiosis falls apart if any one element is missing. The tree cannot survive without its leaves and slowly withers without the sun

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    Frankly, I don't see a "ready made wife inside" of me. True, I am single, but I have been in quite a few relationships, a couple very long term. I find it difficult to understand a comparison between inanimate objects (clothing) and actual human interaction with emotional involvement. It's apples and oranges. I guess the clothing does fill some kind of "void" inside me, but it can't fill the other "voids" that are fulfilled by being in a healthy, loving, giving relationship. Clothing can't be my best friend. Maybe we just have more voids that need filled than the average, joe-typical, male?

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    One of the biggest reasons I continue to come to this site is specifically for questions like this! While I agree with most of what's been said already, the biggest takeaway for me is the reply that said cross dressing is an extremely selfish activity. My wife enjoys and encourages my time as Victoria. Hell, she even named me after her middle and last names! I told her exactly 2 months into our relationship that I had this particular hobby. That was 14 years ago yesterday. Over those 14 years, I have spent countless amounts of money on something I may do once or twice a month. For example, 87 pairs of heels! Could that money have been better spent taking the wife out to a Broadway show, or dinner or gifts, etc. Of course like I said, she thoroughly enjoys it, , and has never once asked me to put my skirts and heels away for us.

    Over the past year, I feel I have become more of a pain in the ass because I ask her, literally all the time, why she puts up with ME and MY cd'ing. She replies that it's OUR hobby, and because she loves me. She completes me, is not a replacement for anything, and gets me better than anyone I've ever known.

    As an aside: I sincerely appreciate these thought provoking questions, where one can engage in a serious dialog about what we do. I feel this type of post, when read by the anonymous GG, is far more helpful than the countless "What color are your panties?" threads and the "OMG, I put on a pair of hose under my jeans, workboots and winter coat, do you think I got read?" threads. I know I will get flamed for this, but the first place my wife went when she first looked at this site was the main CDing page, not the loved ones forum. Not being a member, she clicked on the first thing she saw, and was inundated with seemingly trivial posts about underwear. In fact, she was confused as to why I log in to read about so much panty talk! There aree times, sadly, I must agree with her. End of rant, sorry to hi-jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell-GG View Post
    Given how complicated the relationship with a GG is for you all, it doesn't seem like GG/CD relationships fare very well. They can, but there's an awful lot of compromising involved. Often, the compromising means putting aside something important and innate to accommodate the spouse. Do other marriages compromise this much?

    So, as the annoying girl that I'm am I have to ask....

    WHY do you need us??
    This is a lot like asking a lesbian "why do you need a relationship? Since you are a girl, you can be in a relationship with yourself!"

    The answer is that most of us desire for companionship. Being a gender variant person is incredibly isolating. Before the advent of the internet, most of us wondered if we were the only person like us on earth. We'd certainly never met anyone else. Alienated and lonely, many of us long for an understanding partner.

    It's simply part of the human condition to desire to not be alone, and most on this site are attracted to women.

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    Tinkerbell

    How does your partners crossdressing affect your feelings about yourself as a woman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell-GG View Post
    Why do you need us when you have a ready made wife inside you??
    This is a misconception. I do not have another person inside of me. I have a part of myself that desires to express itself as being feminine. Since this part of me is not interested in sex it could be interpreted as an asexual companion. Many GGs have close GG friends that they view in the same way.

    Given how complicated the relationship with a GG is for you all, it doesn't seem like GG/CD relationships fare very well. They can, but there's an awful lot of compromising involved. Often, the compromising means putting aside something important and innate to accommodate the spouse. Do other marriages compromise this much?
    No marriage is static. Both partners evolve and change with time. Here are some examples:

    One partner takes up golf.
    One partner joins a Harley club.
    One partner joins a segregated-gender club
    One partner converts to a different religion
    One partner is afflicted with a chronic illness or injury
    One partner becomes addicted to alcohol or drugs

    All of these will demand some form of compromise on the part of both partners. A spouse who flat refuses to allow their partner to take up a new hobby would be viewed as overly controlling. One who blithely allowed their partner to become addicted to drugs would be seen as neglectful.

    CDing lies somewhere between these extremes. CDers who are in accepting relationships look to our spouses for support and guidance. If we're smart we will take their advice and work to accommodate their needs as well. I'll admit that sometimes I can be self-centered, but most of the time I do try to understand my spouse's needs. I try to keep our outings while I am dressed entertaining and worthwhile for us both. Our social sphere has increased and many of the friends, both CD and GG, we've met through CDing have made our life experience richer.
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    Wooh. This is a scary question. It never occurred to me that a woman might think this.

    The first thing about heterosexual men is that we split into those who are attracted to women but are men's men who almost resent women for the power they have over them, and those who love women and every aspect of them - they LIKE women. I suspect that the wider male population is in the former category and most of us on this site are in the latter. We rejoice in the difference, and the clothes (yours, not ours) are a very minor part of this. I have never chosen a partner on the basis of her clothes and I hope I never will.

    An intelligent woman friend or partner is something beyond value, beyond any limit of appreciation. Women are different, lovely personalities.

    It might or might not be relevant that I am a guy who is still me in a dress - no separate identity (some on this site think of them as female when dressed). I do not imagine I am a woman - I am just acting. I use a feminine voice out and about but am happy with all the people I interact with knowing I am a man. I would have huge difficulties using that female voice in the presence of a partner - I WANT to be perceived as a guy in a dress in private. In public, I am happy to be that guy who looks really good in a dressand is a good actor. I have one GG friend who treats me as a woman when we go on a night out but I would be just as happy if she treated me as a bloke.

    So GGs out there should relax. You have the same power over us CDs you always had. You are the real thing. We just dress up. Nothing we can do can replace you,

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    My answer is real simple: Yes I love to dress up as a girl. However, most of the time I present myself to the world as a man. I've always been attracted to women. I've always loved my wife and I have always been faithful to her in over 32 years of marriage. That being said, I love being intimate with her and I love being her man.

    One of my biggest worries that as a man, my interest in crossdressing disappoints her perception of me. I wish that I'd fully disclosed to her before we married that I crossdressed, but I didn't fully understand it myself and I sincerely thought it was something that would vanish.

    The bottom line is that I adore women. While I love dressing up as one, I still love being a man when I'm with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyJameson View Post
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    How does your partners crossdressing affect your feelings about yourself as a woman?
    Kelly, I'm fine with how I feel about myself...now.

    In the early days?? It was terrible. I literally stopped wearing anything sexy and lingerie was completely off the table. I remember crying as I tucked all my lace and satin items to the back of the dresser, thinking he'll only want to wear them and clearly he doesn't care what I look like in them (yes, I really thought this!) I think back now and it's incredibly sad I felt that way. I was young and hot, for crying out loud, lol.

    But, this is a VERY common reaction in the GG groups. A new wife will almost always say she no longer feels like the important, sexy one to her H. It's heartbreaking to hear how so many still do what I did...stop dressing pretty or thinking they're attractive or needed. Some even go the other way and try and out dress their H - but plenty just feel ugly, usually because at the same time they've found out about the dressing, the H falls into a Pink Fog (very common) so the whole thing is compounded and I guess our self-esteem really takes a hit. So the considerate posts written here will help so much if they see them.

    And yep, we do tend to read anonymously here first before joining, if we ever do. Yet, this is your part of the forum and often not the best place for us to read, as I think was mentioned. But many GG's will prefer to remain anonymous as this is very difficult for them, so I like putting out questions they might stumble across. I wish someone had done this for me.

    Thankfully, there's always been Reine's thoughtful, level-headed presence here and that really meant so much to this lonely, scared GG, even though Reine wouldn't have realised
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    Tinkerbell, that is one of the most insightful clear answers I have ever seen. The not dressing up is not just for GGs with TG partners. When any man quits telling his spouse she is pretty, she starts ti believe she isn't pretty.
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    Tink you always come up with a good question.

    I guess why does anyone need a companion. Why do gay couples need each other, why do straight couples need each other. For companionship, friendship and support. Its like a guy or a girl who goes out hunting or fishing all day. They have their dog, they have their boat, they have their time alone to go out and do what ever they want. At times they just want to be left alone to do what they enjoy, but at times they also wish that their spouse/companion would accompany them. Do they NEED that other person there, no not always but when you can enjoy time with a friend it makes life just that much nicer.
    Hope that made just a tiny bit of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell-GG View Post
    . . . It's heartbreaking to hear how so many still do what I did...stop dressing pretty or thinking they're attractive or needed . . .
    Exactly Tink and this is why I have never lost sight of the fact that I am a guy . . . I do not transform into super model or fantasy girl it is also the reason the bedroom is an Isha free zone (only one girl there and she is the pretty sexy one). My wife will tell me I look pretty when dressed but I know she is being kind. However I never miss an opportunity to let her know she is pretty or looks good and I am not just being kind.

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    I am a single person. I enjoy dressing up, but I am not a woman, will never be a woman, and in any case, I'm only a single person. A wife is a totally separate person... can 't hug yourself, can't make conversation with yourself, can't go on a couples date with yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell-GG View Post
    Kelly, I'm fine with how I feel about myself...now.

    In the early days?? It was terrible. I literally stopped wearing anything sexy and lingerie was completely off the table. I remember crying as I tucked all my lace and satin items to the back of the dresser, thinking he'll only want to wear them and clearly he doesn't care what I look like in them (yes, I really thought this!) I think back now and it's incredibly sad I felt that way. I was young and hot, for crying out loud, lol.
    I won't speak for others, but I do enjoy how my spouse looks and care about how she feels about herself. The fact that I have taken the privilege of wearing pretty things doesn't mean that I don't want others to have the same privilege, any more than one GG would begrudge another GG's wearing of something attractive.

    But, this is a VERY common reaction in the GG groups. A new wife will almost always say she no longer feels like the important, sexy one to her H. It's heartbreaking to hear how so many still do what I did...stop dressing pretty or thinking they're attractive or needed. Some even go the other way and try and out dress their H - but plenty just feel ugly, usually because at the same time they've found out about the dressing, the H falls into a Pink Fog (very common) so the whole thing is compounded and I guess our self-esteem really takes a hit. So the considerate posts written here will help so much if they see them.
    I think that we can also cite the loss of exclusivity as a reason for this loss of self-esteem. Suddenly (from the GG's point of view), things that were exclusive to the female partner are no longer solely her domain.

    I sometimes wonder if GGs are getting a taste of what those men in the boardroom felt when women invaded that exclusive domain?

    Thankfully, there's always been Reine's thoughtful, level-headed presence here and that really meant so much to this lonely, scared GG, even though Reine wouldn't have realised
    Reine's thoughtful writings here has been equally helpful to both CDers and GGs. I am very thankful that she has has ignored the negatives in order to continue to help us here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eryn View Post
    I think that we can also cite the loss of exclusivity as a reason for this loss of self-esteem. Suddenly (from the GG's point of view), things that were exclusive to the female partner are no longer solely her domain.

    I sometimes wonder if GGs are getting a taste of what those men in the boardroom felt when women invaded that exclusive domain?
    That's a good way of putting this. We probably do feel like we're having our toes stepped on. Looking pretty and wearing lingerie etc is just assumed to be our unique thing that we bring to the relationship. Our H is meant to bask in our beauty, lol. I remember being completely shocked that there was another option - my H could wear it, too! Why hadn't anyone ever warned me that this was possible? I felt like the world had tilted off its axis. Where was my place now, if I couldn't even be the exclusively feminine, pretty one? Luckily, most of us GG's do outgrow these thoughts as we find purpose in work or children and yes, our marriages to our quirky men But when you're young and naive and still intent on being worshipped by your Prince Charming, it can be quite the shock to discover he shares your interests.

    But I also think you're right that maybe men have felt this way, too? We girls have certainly decided that there's no territory out of our grasp. What is there that we can't/don't do now? So as the wiser GG that I am now, I think it completely fair that pretty things be available to men. I just hope that women's self esteem rises along with such a change and we can accept you being pretty like men have had to accept our career ambitions.

    Interesting thoughts.

    And thanks, Lorileah It's true - anyone can feel ugly if they're not shown otherwise. We all deserve to feel beautiful to those we care for the most.
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    Although crossdressing is our main baggage, this doesn't mean that we don't need GGs in our lives, GGs bring plenty of their own baggage into a relationship. As partners or spouses in any relationship we need each other like flowers need rain. Our need for each other is the reason we began a relationship in the first place. We have accepted each other's baggage and understand that coping with it helps the relationship grow and prosper.
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    We need someone that we can trust and be trusted by. We need someone to love and be loved by. I'm talking more about companionate love more than sex here.

    While some of us go overboard with CDing, there are others who are more in control of their dressing.

    I didn't read all the responses, but gender is a continuum. Most males wouldn't be caught dead in female clothes. Some of us get irritable if we don't get dressing time. Dressing is a de-stresser. It isn't realistic, but it works for us. For the most part, we didn't ask for this. Speaking for myself, I would prefer a lady who doesn't get upset at the sight of her husband in women's clothing. I've accepted this as part of me.

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    Thank you Tinkerbell for your thoughtful replies.

    I used the clothes like a crutch to cope with identity issues and to be attractive to men.

    Since transitioning I have lost almost all interest in clothes and largely favor jeans, tee shirts and hiking boots and the clothes are for special occasions or for professional reasons.

    I never related to crossdressers because they relate to women in ways entirely foreign to me.

    In general they idolize and worship women which can be a good thing for a woman if this focus stays on her as long as they do not become suffocating or emotionally clingy.

    My problem is that I find feminine men sexually unappealing because their energy is all wrong for me and I wonder how many wives struggle to be sexually attracted to their crossdressing partners.

    Certainly some woman find feminine men sexually appealing and they may bring a sensitivity to the bedroom that more masculine men are incapable of.

    Separate from the sex there is that feeling of not being good enough almost like you have been replaced with a form of pornography so it is a slap in the face mixed in with what almost seems like a perversion of their sexuality.

    I have often been mystified by men concerning their sexuality and it seems that for many men their sexuality has a life of its own that like a strong current drags them to destinations unknown.

    Male sexuality is both extremely straight forward and easy to understand while having a side to it that is complex, unpredictable and unexpected.

    For heterosexual men this sexuality is wrapped up in their attitudes toward women and all that symbolizes women combined with their male identities that often clash with the crossdressing, creating fear and guilt.

    This must create incredible tension inside of men who crossdress from this push pull between their male identity and their sexuality when drapped in the clothing of women.

    It calms and excites them while possibly giving them an escape from the emotional wounds and battle scars they incurred earning their male identity

    I think crossdressing frees men from suffering while also making them suffer.

    If I was married to a crossdresser who I needed to see as a man (as felt by and seen by me so it is very subjective) not only to be able to respect him as a man but to sexually desire him as a man, I would need balance in the relationship.

    The more feminine he is the more masculine I would need him to be, particularly in the bedroom but also just in general.

    It is not fair to ask a woman to bend her sexuality and everything that comes out of this as her in relationship to men.

    There is a Yin and Yang to nature that creates attraction between opposites and it is in this contrast where we experience attraction.

    I completely get why some woman are repelled by crossdressing because it violates the Yin/Yang experience of men being different from women.

    All of the feelings you have expressed are completely understandable under the circumstances.

    Crossdressing certainly affects the wife but it is not because of a failing on the wives part.

    I doubt if there is a woman born that can permanently stop someone from crossdressing because it comes out of a mans deepest response "to women"

    At best all you can do is try to channel it back toward you as much as possible.
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    Tinkerbell,

    It seems that your question is predicated on the assumption that crossdressing defines us, but it is only one aspect of our worlds. My wife passed away over a year ago and although I still dress, it doesn't fill the void that she left. I think that is proof enough for me that there is so much more to a successful relationship than a wifes willingness to accept a husbands crossdressing. She had been battling cancer for many years and I was the housekeeper, cook, bill payer, travel agent, etc. etc. but she was the one who was the focus of the family. It is a constant reminder of things that were really important, not just fun or satisfying to my gender identity, but to me as a person. I needed her, not just to share my crossdressing, but my life in all its joy, saddness, wonder, frustration and exploration. As much as we focus on crossdressing here on this forum, it is only a small part of our lives.
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    To my friend Tink, and to any GG who's lurking here anonymously for answers:

    This is the cold, hard fact you need to internalize - and I mean really let it sink in and become your reality: Crossdressing has NOTHING to do with you.

    NOTHING.

    I'm married and I crossdress. If I were single, I would crossdress. If I were a priest, I would crossdress. If I were gay, I would crossdress. If I were stranded on a deserted island, I would fashion fig leaves into a skirt.

    I'm not sure how much more clearly I can make this. Our crossdressing has NOTHING to do with the woman in our life, or the women, or the lack thereof.

    It's like asking how being right handed affects my relationship with my wife. Wha? I'd be right handed regardless.

    Sorry if that sounds cold, but it's the truth.

    Tink, your H dressed (or wanted to) long before he met you. He dresses now that he's married to you. If you die tomorrow (God forbid), he'll dress until the day he's buried.

    You are not a factor in him being a cross dresser.

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    With all that said, if my wife told me tomorrow she can't take it anymore, I'd move heaven and earth to try to rid myself of it. The very same as if she said she asked me to stop being right handed, I'd use my left hand continuously until it felt normal-ish (and it never would). I'm committed to her and she's my priority, but she has nothing to do with me being right handed. Same deal with crossdressing.

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    We are not all Prince Charming and not every spouse is Cinderella. We are all flawed in a number of ways and wholly imperfect. Cross-dressing is just one of any number of issues a marriage can face and women can bring their own set of issues into the marriage as well. There is a tendency in today's marriages to fantasize about some romantic ideal sold to us by Disney movies and romantic comedies. He's supposed to be handsome, strong, masculine, funny, and make all the right mores. She's supposed to be pretty and sexually appealing, fit and strong but with a quick vulnerability and she is supposed to adore him. To enter into a relationship with these expectations is to begin with a foundation based, literally, on fairy tales. No man is all those things in perfect measure all the time and no woman is that kind of perfection either. The deeper issue of cross-dressing in marriages is whether or not you have a clear picture of the person you are married to. The act of hiding our imperfections definitely damages the trust of our partners, no matter what has been hidden. One of the first steps to healing is understanding that we are all flawed. We fall in love and tell ourselves a whole fairy tale of what life is going to be like and don't even think to consider that there will be problems or challenges or that what we're hiding may be too much for our partner to handle or that our partner may one day reveal something to us that we will not be able to handle. This kind of blind abandonment into marriage is foolish and leads to unreal expectations and guaranteed disappointments. For all the time we spend getting to know our potential spouses, we spend far more time actually being spouses. If you think that you will not discover something new about them in the course of 30, 40, or 50 years and that some of those things will not please you you are living in a delusion. Even if you know all about the cross-dressing and find a way to deal with it, what happens when he discovers you bite your toenails or you discover he sniffs his q-tips? Cross-dressing is only an issue because society has not learned how to deal with it, but it is just one of thousands of things that you can discover about your partner over the course of a marriage and no one is without flaws and your spouse may discover something about you that they can't handle even more than you can't handle them wanting to wear some glass slippers.
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    At 8pm on the 11th of December 1963 I was introduced to incredibly beautiful, blue-eyed blonde ballerina. She was wearing a patterned red wool dress, just to the knee, and her hair was in an elegant French roll. And that, as they say was that! We have now been married for 44 years. I loved her then, and I love her now. She is my strength, my rock, my friend , my lover. I would trust her with my life. That, Tinks, is why I need her. I have nothing inside me, or in a mirror that could take anything away from her.

    In a nutshell, she is my wife, and my life.
    If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got!

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    Tinkerbell,

    I think CDers marry women for the same reasons that non-CDers marry women. Just like everyone else here has said.

    I do understand that GGs (depending on how they were raised or how open-minded they are) may have to rethink their gender roles and that mainstream society doesn't prepare people for this. But gender roles are a social construct, so we can relearn and rethink them.

    I'm not a "good housewife." I hate dusting and mopping and I'll never be the stay-at-home mom because that's not who I am. I love my work and I'm passionate about my career. That doesn't make me less of a woman or a human being.

    And we--women and men--need to stop valuing ourselves based on the fake ideal of beauty from magazines and media. Those people don't exist! It's all make-up and photoshopping. I am beautiful with or without make-up. I am beautiful if I wear jeans and t-shirts or if I wear a sexy dress. My husband is beautiful whether he's wearing a suit and vest or wearing a push-up bra and skirt.

    Marriage is hard. That's why there is so much divorce and there are so many unhappy marriages. It requires a lot of freaking work. No matter who you are, marriage is about two individuals trying to be partners in life. People are crazy and weird and beautiful and different and fascinating. The wonderful thing about marriage is that you have the pleasure of really knowing someone and of seeing them for who they really are. Isn't that amazing? I think it's quite an honor.

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    Because when she smiles the world fades into the background.
    Because when she talks I'm not listening to anything else.
    Because when she holds me I want time to stop.
    Because when she hurts I will tear down mountains to make her happy.
    Because when she's not there something is missing and I can't work out what it is.
    Because I cannot imagine what the world would be like without her.
    Adina, you made me get all teary-eyed. So romantic!

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda M View Post
    At 8pm on the 11th of December 1963 I was introduced to incredibly beautiful, blue-eyed blonde ballerina...In a nutshell, she is my wife, and my life.
    Amanda, I love this! So many years later and you know the date and time that you met your wife!
    Last edited by September; 06-28-2014 at 08:49 AM. Reason: I had a few more thoughts.
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