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    Coming out to neighbors. Help!

    If anyone saw my other most recent thread, I got married this year. I divorced last year, which is why I joined the site (I just have to be me!). My new wife is understanding and does my make-up and has no problem with Veronica whatsoever.

    I've been reading threads here about how to deal with neighbors.

    What I would like some advice on is this (apologies in advance, as there is a lot of backstory):

    I've been trying to sell my house since the divorce. For several reasons, I sort of have to live in the house (but my wife and I see each other several times a week). The house has been on the market since June 2013 and I only had one offer on it (an offer so low I laughed).

    When the house sells and I move into my wife's place, Veronica will be very prominent. The neighbors where she lives have seen drab me, not Veronica yet, but if Veronica is around when I move in, it won't be too much of a shock to the neighbors, because I'll start out living there that way. (Not necessarily daily, but having Veronica out and about a few times a month from day one is better than living there for a few years, then having Veronica show up, I think).

    Anyway, since the house isn't selling, and I have several rooms empty, I've decided to rent out the rooms to make a little extra money.

    -- Before going farther, I need to tell or remind people I live in Japan. --

    My first tenant arrives next week from overseas (she is Japanese but wants to look for work in Tokyo, and renting a room is way cheaper than anything else). I have not met her in person yet, but in my ad to renters I state that renters should be open to alternative lifestyles. The renter replied in an early email saying that she has lots of gay friends so it is not a problem (um, I'm not gay. She's under the impression that I am, but for all intents and purposes I might as well be, as I would not make any advances on a female renter, or a male renter either for that matter.).

    Anyway, I put the "alternative lifestyles" part in the ad simply because I don't want Veronica to disappear now that I have a house where I can be free to dress how I please. Making extra money each month is not worth Veronica going back into the closet.

    I am on very good terms with my neighbors. I sweep the leaves off our street without anyone asking me to help (which is kind of a big deal for the neighborhood, but I do it partly because it needs to be done, partly to show that the foreigner on the block is an upstanding guy). I doubt the neighbors have ever seen Veronica (at least, no one has said anything).

    I'm thinking that when this understanding renter moves in, it would be a good opportunity to start being more open with myself and having Veronica be more present without hiding.

    What to do? It's a two-part question, actually.

    1) When the renter arrives, should drab me or Veronica greet her? She arrives at midnight, so it's not like the neighbors will see me then. Would it be off-putting to the renter or more confirming that she will be in a safe environment, living with a guy she has never met before? Having Veronica there from the get-go would show that alternative is alternative, and that I would be accepting of her if she is accepting of me (as long as she doesn't paint the walls or steal stuff).

    2) More importantly, just like when I move in to my wife's place, things will start off with Veronica there. When the renter moves in, it's a "fresh start" of sorts, so it seems that it's the best opportunity to bring out Veronica here while living in the house.

    Should I bother with the neighbors knowing or keep it all inside, like I've done all these many many years? If so, should I approach them and say something along the lines that "I'm going through some changes. There will be people renting rooms in the house so don't be alarmed, and oh, by the way, you'll see me in a wig, skirt, and heels from time to time."

    What to do?!?!

    Apologies again for the whole convoluted situation, but thoughts and advice are much appreciated!

    V

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    Hi Veronica,

    Hmmm . . . to be honest I think "boy" you should meet the new tenant. She may be cool with the whole CD thing from the outset but then again she might be a bit frazzled to find a guy in women's clothing meeting her. My recommendation would be to meet her "en boy" and before she gets too engrossed in wanting the place explain what your alternate lifestyle is and let her decide if this is something she is fine with.

    As far as your neighbors . . . well if your new tenant is cool with your CDing and agrees not to say anything then I guess what can be gained by coming our to your neighbors? If it is something you want/need to do then I would broach the subject with each neighbor individually and let them know. However, you never know how people are going to react so do be prepared if you go this route to potentially loose some good neighbors. In the end if you don't need to come out to your neighbors IMO why bother.

    My two cents for what it is worth

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    Veronica - first Congratz on all your good news...

    Only two questions but something of a case study to review... Lots going on... sooo...

    1) Should Veronica meet and greet? I'd say - No. Simple reason - while you have implied 'alternative lifestyle' you have admitted you think your tenant is under the false impression you're gay. While she might still think this when surprised by Veronica (sometimes gay = drag queen) you are starting a relationship with a need for two corrections: the first that you are not gay; the second that you sometimes present as female - together these could be very unsettling for her - so I'd suggest you meet as normal and take the opportunity to correct both those misconceptions first.

    2) I think the coming out to neighbours is a bigger thing. I suspect most Japanese will be too polite to be rude to your face, and also they mostly believe all Gaijin (foreigners) are somewhat crazy anyway, and they are very accepting of alternate lifestyles on the surface... beneath the surface, most are deeply conservative. You know this - you live there. You have a supportive wife - presumably you'll be wanting to go out - if you are out to your neighbours this will at least, make going out much easier, but I would still expect some reservation from some folk towards you... that kind of goes with the turf.

    For some reason I now have the image of an attractive lady sweeping leaves in heels and a skirt in a Tokyo suburb... I have many memories and impressions of Tokyo, and that one will stay with me for a while...

    Hope that helps somehow...

    Katey x
    "Put some lipstick on - Perfume your neck and slip your high heels on
    Rinse and curl your hair - Loosen your hips, and get a dress to wear"
    Stefani Germanotta

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    Two cents is unimaginable wealth in some cases...as in this one. Thank you both!

    Right, drab to start with. If the renter isn't fine with it she doesn't have to stay long.

    As for the neighbors, I understand what you both say (in essence, no need to do it). But I agree with many who replied in some other threads saying how it doesn't matter what others think. I would still sweep leaves (not as Veronica, though! Egad! My clothes and shoes will get dirty, and my size is hard to come by over here!), and as conservative as Japanese thinking can be, there would likely be reservations by neighbors anyway, regardless of the country. Additionally, there are transgendered people on television here (and there have been for quite a while), and it is much more accepted in public.

    I'm already considered nice as a neighbor but a little strange, to be sure. It's not like I hang out with the neighbors. It's usually just seeing them as they head off to work or pile in the car to go shopping. We chat when I happen to be outside sweeping the street or watering my lawn, so the rapport is good with the neighborhood gaijin. So frankly, I don't feel as if I have too much to lose, because, as a neighbor, I can honestly describe myself as "quiet" and "helpful". Hmmm. Maybe if the renter wants to be shown the neighborhood and it is Veronica acting as the tour guide, then so be it.

    I still have time to think, and I don't have to rush anything. Even if renters are ok with Veronica, it doesn't necessarily mean Veronica will go out. I just thought the timing of having renters start to show up would make the coming out a bit easier on the neighbors (and honestly, on me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoLily View Post
    I just thought the timing of having renters start to show up would make the coming out a bit easier on the neighbors (and honestly, on me).
    Maybe its better not to make too many changes at once? I dont know how common renters are in your area, but in some places it could be cause for concern, as not all renters tend to be considerate. You dont want to be perceived as divorcing, then bringing all sorts of possible riff raff into the neighborhood, then turning into a woman... your neighbors might wonder whats next?
    Last edited by Andy66; 09-07-2014 at 07:38 AM.

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    Thanks Andy66

    The Japanese are resilient people. Not that I want to pile anything else onto them (need I mention earthquakes, nuclear reactors, tax increases, Abenomics.....um, come to think of it, why am I here again?), they generally do not "snap" like Westerners. After the quake in 2011, people stood in line at grocery stores. No pushing, no shoving, no looting, no property damage. Where on earth would such public order in the midst of chaos happen other than in Japan? Really, a crossdressing gaijin is probably the easiest thing for them to deal with.

    As to the renters, I agree it's not standard in the 'burbs, but the ex-wife was so concerned about saving face with the other mothers in the neighborhood that were more important to her than me that SHE MOVED OUT WITHOUT SAYING SHE WOULD MOVE OUT AND NEVER SAID GOOD-BYE TO ANYONE (I'm not yelling. It's just for emphasis). Meaning: even the 'burbs are full of the unorthodox if you look closely enough. At least the gaijin sticks with them. Hoping that counts for something.

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    It seems to me you could inform the renter before she arrives and let her decide for herself. But beyond that, I think you should allow yourself to live as you prefer both inside and out of your home. That would apply to your new home and neighbors as well. It's your life.
    Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one.

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    I rent out a couple of rooms in my London house and agonized initially over how to let them know about me. Ok so it's a bit different in your case because I'm full time so they'll never meet the evil twin, but introducing the subject without it being a big deal is kind of the same problem as yours. Initially I didn't say anything, mainly on the advice of friends who said it was a side issue. But then I had this weird, creepy feeling that the people coming to check out the room had perhaps thought I'd dressed up just for the interview!

    I then put a rather convoluted reference in the ad to Mrs. Madrigal, (well I'd have googled it), and arranged to have a friend over when prospective lodgers were coming round so they would see I'm 'socialised' so to speak, but that just got too complicated, though it's worth noting lodgers took the room despite not having picked up on the reference in the ad.

    So finally I just put in the ad that I'm trans, and that totally fixed it. If anyone cares they can pass over the ad, and with those who come round to view, my appearance is already moot.

    All the lodgers I have had so far, including the current two, have been lovely.

    I'd go for it Lily. Reading between the lines I'm guessing you see having tenants at your house as an opportunity to be presenting as female most of the time you go over there. So you might as well start off as you intend to continue.

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    Update:

    Well, it was a little late to talk too much to her before she arrived. I wanted to keep it lowkey when she arrived (i.e., no full-on Veronica), but as it turned out, I had to meet her at a station away from my station at 1:00 a.m. (she had to take a bus rather than the trains from the airport). I went to meet her in 50-50 mode: blouse and scarf, black lizard print pants, sensible heels, and a touch of make up (no wig). Even as a foreigner no one would have thought me too extravagant in my clothing choice if they gave me a real gander, but as it was, when I left the house at 12:30 at night, there was really no one out or on the trains anyway. She wasn't shocked, upset, or anything. Once we got home, we stayed up until past 5:00 in the morning talking. It was like two old friends catching up! She is totally fine with my orientation and is a really sweet woman. Alas, though Japanese, she has spent so much time abroad she feels she has to move on, and so she will head out next Friday for Central America. It would have been fun to be around her for a few months, I think.

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    I'm sorry to hear she has already made plans to move on. Sounds like a really neat person.
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