Call it the 50/50 club.
No matter what is done its proof again no one can agree on anything anymore.
You have a private trans sexual area, private FTM section private GG only section etc so why not a 50/50 section so we can chat about stuff that affects us and not have to wade thru all the stay at home types ridiculing us and injecting there negativity on us
Seems like a good idea.
P.S. I don't doubt a crap storm is coming my way so go ahead dump on me like always
Last edited by Tracii G; 01-05-2016 at 11:56 PM.
I have mixed feelings about it, but just FYI...
It's come up on the TS side of the board a few times recently, and the message from the mods there has been that there will be no new forum created.
You know it's funny, but some of us in the TS forum understand exactly how you feel (admittedly with some circumstantial differences).Originally Posted by Tracii G
Coming out is like discovering that you've been drowning your whole life after actually breathing air for the first time.
Perhaps "CD +P+"?
Last edited by donnalee; 01-06-2016 at 02:06 AM.
ALWAYS plan for the worst, then you can be pleasantly surprised if something else happens!
"The important thing about the bear is not how well she dances, but that she dances at all." - Old Russian Proverb (with a gender change)
If I have to figure out another box to check to identify who I am I think I'll scream. I'm trying to figure out from all the comments just what the heck someone is trying to categorize. A lot of the comments I see on this forum from any given person at any given time seem to reflex what side of the bed they fell out in the morning.
Before trying to establish a new section what are you trying to convey? Where are you going to draw the line in the sand? I fill out many surveys to get "rewards points" which ask me to rate something from 1 through 10 and N/A. What topics would you designate for or applicable for "gender fluid" men or women>
I have no idea but the whole label thing drives me crazy too.
There are some here that don't fall in any category so lines in the sand would be hard to delineate.
The people in between or tweeners as its been called or as I call it 50/50's when post we get negative responses from the closet CDer's and I don't know if they either don't get what we do or find us that are in between some sort of blasphemy to the CD world ie: man in a dress analogy if you will.
I'm androgynous more than anything and a mix of both genders and I'm out about it in public and on here.
Some of us try to post positive insights in our experiences only to get hammered for saying yes you can go out and live your life its OK to be who you are.
Sometimes I want to post something but do not because I know all I will get is negative responses like OMG you shouldn't have done that or Oh I could never do that and then list why I was wrong.
It would be nice to have a section where some of us could share our experiences without having to hear reasons why we shouldn't have.
All we are doing is just expressing ourselves the way we choose.
I'm OK with the closet girls really and I don't mind what they do it's their choice.
Thats it for now.
Last edited by Tracii G; 01-06-2016 at 04:39 AM.
I think has been a lively discussion with some depth. After hearing responses, I think I will designate some posts, (for gender fluid/gender non-conforming) I appreciate everyone's path. But the folks I want to get to know better, and who are good mirrors for me are the in-betweeners.
"We are born naked, everything else is drag" - RuPaul
Kimberly,
I do feel we need labels to explain our CDing to outsiders, it is confusing to most people, I now tell people I'm TG, some will still think it's the same as TS, gender fluid is a good description as long as you know what it means but many don't !
Crossdresser/transvestite to outsiders conjours up men prancing about in sissy style clothes, dressing to pass suggests we are drag queens !
The media just doesn't help us with this situation they have stereotyped images which depict us as gay men dressed as women with a following of camp guys .
The problem with extra sections is they are under used, the GM section struggles sometimes with new input.
The problem I find is wanting to say something to members only and not on the open MTF section, I've used Loved Ones if suitable but some threads have been rejected, then I have a problem finding a suitable section to talk to members only.
It's very easy to forget that MTF is an open forum seen by anyone who drops in, MODS may intervene if you've possibly said too much but by then it may be too late !
All the threads complaining about "labels" and now we have a request for an additional one?
If anyone thinks there should be a new label for a group of people, it needs to be one that's in use by the general public. Assigning labels within this forum would only work if it didn't accept new members.
If anyone has been around a while and paid attention, you would realize that many of the posters here don't fit nicely into a particular category. They overlap. And many seem to be in a state of transition or uncertainty.
middlesex work for anyone ?? i now use gender fluid.....
....Mykell
i dressed like a girl and i liked it!crossdressing...theirs an app for that
Gender fluid doesn't work for me. I bounce between the binary. I don't present in such a way to conflate the two extremes.
I'm surprised that we are this deep into the discussion and no one has mentioned middle path.
My understanding of this term is that it was intended to describe someone who identifies as a CD'er who has a significant social presence as a female (being out & about, having friends, etc). I think this describes many in these pages.
Taking it a step further, I kind of co-opted the term to describe myself, someone who identifies as TS but has not yet and/or will not transition to full time, yet also has the above referenced significant social presence as a female. I think this too describes a few more of us.
My understanding of where middle path originated, there may be some out there who might take exception to my co-opted version but no harm or offense was ever intended on my part. It seemed to describe what I am going through.
A word about labels. As human beings, we categorize what we encounter in this wonderful world of ours whether we do it consciously or not. Others have done this to me. Acquaintances have accused me of both being a CD'er and of being a full time TS. Technically both were wrong, I'm somewhere in between. But it illustrates that this is simply something human beings do and in an effort to understand ourselves for the sake of honesty about one's personal narrative as well as a means to describe our unique POV to others should the opportunity arise, then having an accurate label is not an inherently bad thing.
Finally, about Tweeners. I remember smiling when I first read this used in a thread and totally got the meaning. There was some surprising backlash from some who seem to think the term is copyrighted for use only by pre-adolescent girls. Although some may behave that way at times, I wouldn't accuse any of us of being a pre-adolescent female and certainly wouldn't confuse the term in our context. While I'm not likely to use it for myself, I actually think it is kind of cute and wouldn't begrudge anyone from adopting it as a term of art for their own situation.
Like a corpse deep in the earth I'm so alone, restless thoughts torment my soul, as fears they lay confirmed, but my life has always been this way - Virginia Astley, "Some Small Hope" (1986)
Sunlight falls, my wings open wide. There's a beauty here I cannot deny - David Sylvian, "Orpheus" (1987)
Hahahahahaha I get it!!! Hahahahaha!!! Recently completed the C++ class (although I retained nothing) But I do get your joke. Hahahahahaha!!! Nikki
OK, if we must: "Crossexuals"
Krisi I'm not saying add another label to anything just suggesting a private area where some of us can discuss things pertinent to us without getting picked apart by others.
Its about gender not sex Krisi.
The division here is mind blowing.
I see why so many get frustrated and leave.
C++ is a programming language, right? (that answer dates me)
Last edited by Lorileah; 01-06-2016 at 02:43 PM. Reason: offensive word
Every time you create a new label, there will be some who are also just a bit on both sides of THAT label, necessitating ANOTHER TWO labels. Eventually you'll have a dozen labels, and the public can't even deal with what they have now. What it comes down to, is being prepared to explain to another person what you do, why you do what you do and why you feel the way you do, and how it relates to THEM, because the last is the most important thing that they want to know. Tell someone you're a crossdresser, they will want to know if you're gay, if you are a transsexual, and perhaps other things as well. Wanting to avoid discussing any of that by being able to hand someone your 'label' and basically implying that they should know what it is, and what all the potential implications of it are, is burdening them with your responsibility.
If you don't know any of that or aren't sure, you had better be ready to explain that to them, as well.
And, I've left the most important thing for last, whenever you admit to others that you engage in any gender/sexual behavior or thoughts that aren't absolutely, perfectly straight, be prepared for them to consider you some sort of deviant who they believe could be potentially dangerous to their children. Of course we are not; but the general public still believes this, so it will be something that will have to be discussed and their worries addressed.
None of this will be accomplished by creating a new label.
Some causes of crossdressing you've probably never even considered: My TG biography at:http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/...=1#post1490560
There's an addendum at post # 82 on that thread, too. It's about a ten minute read.
Why don't we understand our desire to dress, behave and feel like a girl? Because from childhood, boys are told that the worst possible thing we can be, is a sissy. This feeling is so ingrained into our psyche, that we will suppress any thoughts that connect us to being or wanting to be feminine, even to the point of creating separate personalities to assign those female feelings into.
Anyway, for purposes of this discussion, gender fluid does not describe me. No problem with the term, but it just doesn't apply. I view my gender identity as essentially fixed and is somewhat more male than female. The female part is not of sufficient magnitude that would make transition a priority.
In recent times I have described myself as transgender and quickly followed with an explanation to those outside of this community.
DeeAnn
Last edited by Lorileah; 01-06-2016 at 02:44 PM. Reason: removed reference to edited content
I bet you were the kid who asked mom and then did it anyway.
OK, remember there are some lines here. Questioning Admin's ruling, definite No No. Complaining about such...No No. Whining about it gets time out and no pudding.
The point was (has) been made that all you who feel somehow your ox was gored want a new sand box of your own....where you would? Throw sand at each other? The idea of this forum is to allow ALL parts of the gender spectrum. If any were around 5 years ago you would see why the specific sections for FtM, Safe Harbor, GM, GG were made. Too many flame wars and those people were getting burned. I don't see the "Tweeners" as really needing a place they can go and discuss... what?
As Mod of MtF (with my two cohorts and the Admins) we sort of let you run loose here. It is the area of the forum that accepts EVERYONE to comment or rant or share what color your panties are.
Bottom line here kids, the ruling was set. You don't get a new playroom. So that is like being in a court of law, you went to the highest, it's over. Labeling threads asking for opinions from gender fluid or androgynous or what ever, is allowed and we will try and police that but unless you tell us the perimeters we can't do it. That is spelled out in the RULEZ. So have fun, call yourself whatever. Stay away from questioning or complaining about the ruling
(NB even the OP was stepping really really close to the line)
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Fed up of people moaning about the decision made on this forum if you're not happy then go elsewhere.
Thread closed.
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