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    Quote Originally Posted by Judith96a View Post
    I wonder what male legislators imagine goes on in a ladies restroom - specifically what a man in a ladies restroom might see that he's not meant to!
    I don't really care what male legislators think, but have you considered that the issue may not always be what the man in the ladies room is going to see, but rather what their presence means to the women inside? I have personally observed CDs (and various other types of self-identified "transfeminine" people) in women's restrooms behaving inappropriately, and frankly, in pretty discomforting ways typical of men. I was uncomfortable, and so were the other women in there. if a man was behaving that way on the street, I'd walk away as quickly as possible, and it doesn't get more comfortable when that's in my bathroom.

    Editing to add/clarify... I know not all CDs/etc. would behave that way. I'm just pointing out that ENOUGH do such that the concern is not completely unfounded, and it's worth discussion.

    I'm 110% for trans men and women who have legally/medically transitioned using the appropriate facilities for their gender, and having their legal gender marker respected. When it comes to situations where men can self-identify as a woman any time it's convenient for them... Not so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dana44 View Post
    Only when I am non binary would I ever consider using the men's room.
    Non-binary typically refers to an identity, not a mode of dress. Which are you talking about?
    Last edited by Zooey; 10-28-2016 at 03:41 PM.
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