A very thoughtful and thought-provoking post, as usual Cathy. I'd back off from it about two steps by saying that everyone's born with the potential for both. And I can't resist noting that this has made me think of a great CD screen name: "Polly Morphus"Originally Posted by Cathy Anderson
"Inside of every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened."
"The best thing about the MBasic that comes with the Kaypro is that it allows variable names longer than two characters."
Speak for yourself. That's a bunch of BS.
I'm not.
End of argument.
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I think I agree in principle if we can restate it to be that everyone has the potential to develop both hetero- and homo-erotic responses. In a society that permits a wide range of sexual expression, I imagine that everyone would at some time or another experienced most of the types available to their physical embodiment.
If you consider other cultures in which men only or women only groups have occurred, you often also see that homosexuality can be widespread as in some Greek city militaries, or as in ottoman harems, etc. I really think we're initially capable of all forms of sexual response even if we are shaped in part by genetics and in part by environment and in part by personal experience to choose some limited subset of the possibilities as most congenial to our own personality. We are more like bonobos than chimps.
Snookums,
Do you feel that you are a closet homosexual? If you do or don't, so what. Its your sexuality. I understand the military culture, and the whole idiotic don't ask - don't tell thing. So I can understand how this could effect your military career. The issue I think isn't wether or not you are, its why this therapist would divilge confidential information to anyone other than required by law. Knowing that GI means "government issue", does the government have the right to be informed about your most basic emotional/psychological make up?
For the rumor mill, I have often said it is the hardest working thing at any place of employment. People love to talk, love to divert unwanted attention from thier own percieved shortcommings and differences. While I feel your pain, and can empathise with your situation, there is no advice I can give here. There may be some legal options, but there again, how do you feel about standing up in court and divulging all?
Mean people suck!:mad:
Sarah
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Why are we picking at each other here?????
We are sit here and complain about being labled by society as anything less than something that is acceptable to "them".
Then a thread about sexuality comes along and everybody wants to start making generalizations. Everyone here has thier own sexuality, gender identity.
A previous therapist said to me that CDs are in love with thier own heterosexuality. Meaning they love both the male and female aspects of themselves. Seems to make some sense to me. But I conceed that not everybody is like me.
So if I like women so much that I want to be one. And I want to experience life as one. But I am physically a man. Am I homosexual for wanting to experience physical intimacy as a woman?
Is sexuality a physical or mental characteristic? How many times do we redefine the question?
I say who gives a Flying F#$%!
Sarah
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Marla - I agree 110%. Speak for yourself. Step away from the blanket statements.
I don't care if you are...but I'm soooooo NOT homo, myself.
Good lord!!! What an invasion of your privacy by this so-called therapist. I hope you reported him/her.
This statement by the therapist only adds to prove the general ignorance of gender issues at large, even among professionals. This is why gender therapists who are specialists exist. Proof of this ignorance is first in the claim of homosexuality and second in trying to equate gender and sexual preference in the same sentence.
Had it been me, the "therapist" would have been told to go **** himself, that he has no idea what he is talking about and finally to go get educated before making such claims. In other words, "Make sure your brain is loaded before shooting your mouth off."
Now that I have vented...... chocolate.
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THAT statement, my friends, was made just for the purpose of eliciting some of the responses I've seen here, and exposing some of the apparent homophobia that exists in the crossdressing community! "Oh yes, I just adore wearing women's clothing and makeup, I want to emulate women in every way, but I have nothing in common with one of them, you know, those queers!"
I know that CD'ers come in all sexual persuasions, and that, as has been said, in the approximate proportions of the general population. But it truly saddens me that there isn't more real "sisterhood", if you want to call it that. Tri-Ess is a good example, if I read them right. You are welcome to join us, if you are a man that likes to wear women's clothing, but only if you are heterosexual. No queers, thank you very much! Of course the gay community is no better, "queens" are definately on the low end of the totem pole.
In the eyes of the general, normal (sic) population, we are all queers, and we will either stand together, or fall together.
Hi all i do not have a thing for men but if a cd,tv,ts came on to me i would have to think twice. but a male in male cloths is a turn off
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Tracy, I strongly agree.
"Inside of every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened."
"The best thing about the MBasic that comes with the Kaypro is that it allows variable names longer than two characters."
The word because implicates a singular relationship and is the key fallacy in this perception. This is a gross simplification of an obviously much more complicated equation. To say someone is blind because the have no eyes could probably be easily defended but to say someone is disposed to a obviously complex action because of one factor is preposterous. We are complex and dynamic beings. Depending on who you are and your total psychic makeup this may be an inclusive factor, or may not, but not a singular determinant factor.
It’s kinda like getting on a plane. Even though you have many different people heading toward many different destinations everybody on any one plane is heading toward the same destination but there probably are a wide variety of reasons why they are heading there. We are as unique and diverse.
I like Jodie’s comment:
However even with what we think are the appropriate labels the boxes don’t always end up at the place the we or others expected them. Don't get hung up on the labels. Learn to enjoy the journey.
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I have to say 98% no. If I went from cd to 100% all female. I think I still would like a another female in bed with me.
You hit the nail right on the head. I completely agree.The assumption that crossdressers are gay is really a reflection of society's syllogism that: "unmanly" = "feminine" = "gay." So that a man who wants to be feminine must also be gay. Which sort of overlooks the fact that a number of gays are hyper-masculine.
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IMHO, this proves nothing...
The vast majority of crossdressers are heterosexual. period.
It's simple.... Don't tell people they're something they're not.
Why didn't you also quote this?I know that CD'ers come in all sexual persuasions, and that, as has been said, in the approximate proportions of the general population.
Considering that most of us are on this site because we feel different to the geneder we were born into should also mean that sticking 'labels' onto people is the last thing we should be doing - this place is a refuge for me (society in general would label me a freak/nancy boy /poof or sissy). I contribute succesfully to my society - but I'm in the wrong body. Just get on with it!
I Agree With Deb In Fact I Dont Even Think Of Being With Men I Just Like The Pretty Feeling Cding Gives Me My Fem Side Is A Lesbian All The Way
Drab Guys Ewww Ptuee I Totally Agree My Preference Is Gg Then Ts Tg Tv Cd W/out Option Of Reg/drabby Guy
Tammycd,no I'm not ,I have never had any desire to be with a man,I guess that makes me a lesbian,it's disturbing when someone with a PHD in psychology makes a comment in front of 40 other brother veterans.I filed a lawsuit against the therapist,the veterans administration fire her to get out of the law suit,40 brother veterans signed depositions in regards to her comment.
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God, i wish people would get this one right,its logical to me,you dress up like a girl cos you want to feel like a girl and experience being a girl for that time, its only logical that at some point you're going to fantazize about all the other things that girls do ie sleep with men (or women or both), that doesn't say you're a latent homesexual or in denial so you crossdress to find self acceptance,come on,every crossdresser that says they haven't "wondered" is lying or kidding themselves. I suspect this is more of an issue to the married cd's and all the "reassuring/appeasing the wife" stuff that has to be done, thats not to cause alarm to the any GG's reading.Lets be clear, when assigning labels like homosexuality or bisexuality to a cross dresser 'specificaly' you have to have a more broader view, and think of it as a more double barrelled term stating firstly what he/she is in reality and second what he/she is in fantasy, so i'd say i'm a heterosexual man in reality but i'm a bi-sexual woman in fantasy, so i could say i'm a heteosexual male/bisexual fantasist. Theres probably a better way of putting this, but the point i'm trying to get at is that as cross dressers we're a different breed from everyone else, we live in a kind of parrallel universe, one in which we're male and the other where we're female, so we need different semantics for describing our sexuality.
People are what they are. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
Are crossdressers closet homosexuals? As a 'group'? You can't ask that. It's too diverse a group. You might as well ask if people who go to bingo are 'closet something'. It's ONE thing in common, done for a number of reasons. I'm sure some bingo people are gay, and I'm sure some aren't.
Does it matter?
Tracy, I'm not sure what the percentage of gay CDs is, but I wouldn't be suprised if it matched the general population percentage. I don't see how that's any different from 'vast majority' though. The vast majority of people are not gay.
I'm not sure that saying 'yes they are' to incite a riot was clever though. I could stand in a Liverpool pub and shout 'all Scousers are poofs' to prove that there are many bigots in the world, but it wouldn't really help the world much. And then I'd be stabbed.
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Hiya Tina.
I think everyone's had their say and that this thread has outlived its usefulness
"Inside of every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened."
"The best thing about the MBasic that comes with the Kaypro is that it allows variable names longer than two characters."
Amen to that Julie Avery
i there i am a Vet and like to dress some time dont let it get you down,tell that guy **** you i am not queer, and tell him to **** off,i told my therapist she just said would you like breast,i jokeing said i dont think i like wearing a bra,she just laugh and said you get used of it,the thing is i went and got one i went from a 40DD to A 40 H Busty
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