What's with all the GG bashing?

[Jenni]

I only want to quote this bit, then I'm backing off gracefully I'm not the 'lead administrator'. Sharon and I are co-administrators and in actual fact, she probably does more around this forum than I do (infact I know she does). She's just very quiet, unlike me... I have a huge mouth and regularly put my foot in it So, don't forget.... co-admins.... k? *backs out now*

And who doesn't suffer from "foot in mouth disease" at some time or another? We're only people here, all subject to errors in judgement and misunderstandings from time to time.

Without you GG's, we would not have this friendly (and safe) corner of the universe for ourselves. You are all sweeties, and thanks for all of your hard work.

[GypsyKaren]

I'm just going to add a couple of things, because Marla really hit the nail on the head here and said something I've been meaning to for quite some time.

Like it or not, as unfair as it is, let's face the facts here. We are treated like and considered to be outcasts of society. This is due to ignorance, but most people aren't interested in learning the truth. I, for one, am ecstatic and grateful to get kindness and support from anywhere and anyone. I'll tap dance naked on the street corner if that's what it takes to get anyone to open their eyes and hearts to us.

This forum is built on a common bond we all share, but also on diversity. We need other's views and input in order to grow and progress forward. The GGs also need this place because in the vast majority of cases this tranny business is dumped into their lives without warning. They need to be here to understand their spouses and realize we're all just human beings.

As far as having a GG as co-administrator, I'm REALLY sick and tired of hearing all the childish whining about this, and it better stop. This is to all of you cry babies out there, so listen up, and listen up good. Do you have any idea how much time and work and tears us staff members devote to keeping this place the safe harbor that it is? Do you have any idea how much abuse and insults we get everyday because we're trying to keep this wonderful place clean and accesible to you? We do this not for a pat on the back, and we sure don't get paid for this, we volunteer our time and energy. We do it for the love of this place. You should be eternally grateful that anyone would be willing to do this, be it a GG, CD, Ts, or whoever. Tamara works her butt off for you because she has a kind heart, so instead of bitching about it, either send her a thank-you, or shut up.

Forgive the rant, but this subject pisses me off to no end. Marla, I'm sending you my Vox Teardrop in gratitude for saying what you did, and I thank you for it.

Karen

[Gale R]

I think all the GG's here are great, a more supportive bunch you would find hard to meet, wether admin or members.

[Tina Dixon]

A job well done Marla, the GG's here are awsome and fun.

[sparks]

Gawd! Am I so self absorbed that I did notice any of this going on!
Good Rant GK! Tell em as you sees em! The main reason I'm here is to learn about relationships(actually I'm addicted to posting But that's besides the point) How can I do this without the GG's Duh! Shadd-up about it!
I've dumped a whole pile of misery on my SO cause I don't know what I'm all about! This is an incredible place and The few that keep it all together are the incredible ones! In light of it all what would this place be without all the capable administative people who keep it together and all of us in line!
How many of you whafted through tones of gross tacky porn(yeah I looked) to find something meaningful to you! That's how I stumbled hear and All I could ever want was in one tighly colorful package!
I think Tamara is absolutely wonderful and caring to not only help run the joint but give her in-put as well on the posts!
Let's keep things they way they are because I would like to bring my wife here but if she cannot get the respect and understanding than why should I bother! IF we can't respect the efforts of Tamara and the rest of the GG's
what would my wife think of us! She would feel even worse about her cross-dressing freak of a husband! Poor attitudes reflect on us all!

TTFN!!
Sparks

And people said we have no needs of super-types!
Bitch slapped! Hung up wet!

And it is a batarang quit staring!

[Rachel Morley]

Much of what I have dealt with my entire life as a man who crossdresses is a total lack of acceptance by members of the other gender. I get that here, and I like it. I have also found that for the most part, the GGs here are far more level headed, kind, and supportive than many of the male members here.

I totally agree Marla. This site (if you look at the logo at the top of the page) is a community for "crossdresser's and their admirers". I love all our GG admirers

Prior to my joining here, I had never run into accepting females in my entire life. They are a light that illuminates this entire forum.

Never have I seen anything written on this forum that was more true.

When I first recieved a wellcoming note from a GG, you can not imagine how wonderful that felt.

I know exactly what you mean! There is nothing better than an accepting GG encouraging you and telling you that what you are doing suits you and you should be doing it!

[Sharon]

Nor do I believe that such discussion has to be relegated to a different forum. I don't know what goes on in the GG forum, but you can't tell me there is never any complaining or criticism of the opposite sex going on in there. I don't know what goes on in the TG forum either, and I guess it depends on how you interpret gender acronyms, but since I really consider myself to be a CD rather than a TG or TS, I have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the MTF crossdresser forum is the place for me.

Just as a note, as I couldn't let this comment slip by. The TG forum, for genetic males, is set up as a place where any CD, TG, TS, or whatever acronyms you can think of, can post and feel safe from those menacing women. Even Tamara does not have access to that section.

[Tamara Croft]

*Sneaking in* Marla, I want to thank you for this thread. I think a lot of members don't read all the threads/posts, so they miss quite a bit of what goes on in all the forums. As a co-admin, I read EVERYTHING that is posted, so I get to see the little digs here and there and the outright name calling. Most of you know me by now, I don't take things lying down, I fight back and I get really really angry sometimes. I know, I should back off, I've been told by many of my friends to chill a bit and close the window and calm down.

But the thing is, that isn't me, if I truely believe something is wrong, or out of line, I say something. I know it gets me into big trouble sometimes and all hell breaks loose on the forum. But, when you read everything posted, those little things start to mount up into one huge thing and that's when I start getting pissed off. I see the digs about me being a GG admin, but I'm not just an admin, I'm also a member and believe it or not, I like to post AS a member too. But, it seems I can't post as a member without having my admin status thrown in my face. It's annoying, that really winds me up, it makes me feel like I shouldn't bother posting at all.

I often will say I'm going to just stay in the background, but it aint happening I'd just like you all to remember, that I'm a member too, not just an admin. Like Julie said and I quote: -

And the shame of it is that someone like Tamara or Marla GG or kathy gg could intellectually hand these people their testicles on a plate served with a nice Cianti before they even knew they were missing.

But they don't.

O.K. deduct Tamara....

She's right and I can serve them up with some nice pasta and garlic sauce

[Deborah]

[SIZE=3]It would drive me insane to read every single thread on this forum daily.
I'll leave it at that.[/SIZE]

[Tamara Croft]

<snip>can post and feel safe from those menacing women.

Why you sneeky, cheeky MADAM!!!! Menacing eh???

[RenaCD]

Why you sneeky, cheeky MADAM!!!! Menacing eh???

First off Marla Right On! No Other Way! Right On!


Sharon Duck, Tamara uncock that Keyboard and gently just set down Menacing is a term of endearment here in the States havn't you heard!!!

[Mary Jane]

I can only add that I think you have put this very well, Marla. I enjoy this site and always welcome the GG's responses in the threads. We need to keep this place as it is. No changes are needed that I can see. It is a most wonderful place.

[Kim E]

Personally, I think we should consider ourselves fortunate that we have the participation of GG's on this forum. They are definitely a valuable asset to the group and bring a level of concern and understanding that's both refreshing and appreciated.

Tamara ~ BTW,I think you should bring back your red avatar. I thought it was very cool.

Kim

[DonnaT]

You know the old saying, history is doomed to repeat itself. We've been through this before and we've survived.

If it wasn't for some of the GG's support, this place might have died a slow death some time ago.

[Bernice]

Marla, you already know privately how I feel about your wonderful posts. Would it embarrass you if I professed my admiration publicly?

Administrators: You have my utmost respect and admiration. I could never do what you do, certainly not as well as you do. You have an impossible and thankless job. I don't know how you tapdance around necessary censorship and tolerance of diversity, and put up with nothing but whining and criticism. So, let me do my small part to change that, and publicly say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.

Sherri made two valid points:

In other words, because our relationships with GGs are a big deal, and our crossdressing within those relationships is a big deal, we have to be able to talk about them. Moreover, it is unreasonable to insist that such discussion cannot include complaint or criticism. It can and must be articulated with civility and compassion, but we shouldn't have to feel like we're walking on eggshells here.

We must never allow our intolerance of anything approaching bashing to become so strong that the forum itself degenerates into nothing more than a mutual admiration party. I've seen support groups dissolve into little more than that. How our administrators seem to know when enough is enough and too much is too much, I have no clue. But they seem to do this very well, and our forum's success hinges on their being able to continue to exercise such good judgement.

The world would be a very different (and desolate) place without GGs. So would this forum. Of course we need the GGs here. If some of us have trouble dealing with GGs in the real world, then they need help, which might come from here, as long as the administrators can exercise "tough love" at the appropriate times.

If I didn't think that women generally were more civilized and loving than men, I wouldn't want to behave as a woman.

I also support administrator participation. This isn't spectator sports! While they sometimes have to play the referee role, they should be very welcome to participate with us.

As a general rule I don't advocate bashing or flaming at all, regardless of gender, sex, religion, politics, etc. We all have our sensitive subjects. If someone is really out of line on the forum, we should feel empowered to post the reasons why, rather than having to run to an administrator for help.

Sometimes, people here will have to agree to disagree, and move on.

Sorry for rambling on so much...

Hugs,

Bernice

[KrazyKat]

I appreciate all the strong support and heartfelt sentiment!!!
I must confess, due to the ever growing membership, I feel the most help I can do is in the GG forums, and I don't post much "out here"!! I just support Gypsy Karen, she seems to make a bigger impact here, and we work thru things pretty well!
Could I just offer that The GG forum is not that big of a mystery, I just try to support ya'lls support so they can support U better??!!
Sharing what you've experienced is how people learn about differences.
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!
That's my signature, and what I believe!
I believe that the love here is TRUTH, Which Will Set YOU FREE!!
thanks for the votes
KrazyKat

[Marlena Dahlstrom]

Thanks Marla for pointing out what ought to be obvious.

Many others have covered the points I'd make, so I won't repeat them. But let's just realize that GWs are people too. I do think they deserve kudos for being here -- especially those who are struggling. Let's not forget there are SOs who wouldn't even consider coming here, as a number of members will attest to. That doesn't mean that one can't disagree with them. But do so with the same respect you'd show anyone else.

And frankly everyone here deserves to be treated with respect until they give cause to do otherwise. As Gypsy Karen pointed out, we of all people ought to careful against stereotyping others. Likewise, if you're angry at your SO, don't take it out on others -- regardless of who you are.

As has been mentioned, if you've got something to say that you're uncomfortable saying in front of the GWs, that's what the GM forum was created for.

Admins and mods, I've mod'd myself and I know what a thankless job it is. So let me offer a heartfelt thanks.

[christine55]

If there were no GG's here this forum would be no more girlie than some
porno she male rag.
Hugs, Christine

[Tia]

Just to pour my 2 cents into this pool.

Like so many have already said GGs are really the heart of this forum. I can't even count how many times their posts have made me to understand also the another side of the coin. Yup, it's always there. We CDs need their support, but also (atleast some ) GGs need our support.

So I welcome all GGs, or let me resay this, anyone who needs support, information or just friends around CDing. Bullies, trolls and flamers, please leave ...

[Josi]

just want to add my voice of appreciation to GG's -

[kittypw GG]

If you have something to say that you don't wish to divulge to the GGs, then post it in the private TG forum. If you have a complaint about women in general, then watch how you word your opinion, and do so in a way that is not derogatory and insulting. If you want a forum that doesn't include real women, then I'm sure you can find one somewhere else, and I cordially invite you to leave.

.

This is the simple truth. I have found that all of the gg's here have been honest and supportive. When we really want to bitch or complain we go to the gg forum to discuss the things that simply only gg's would understand. I am sure that the same could be said for the males and that is the purpose of the private tg forum. Maybe some don't realize that it exists. My husband did not. And trust me none of us gg's want to crash your private party. So please don't crash ours.

Thanks Marla for sticking up for us and giving your support because gg's who love cd's need all of the support we can get. We want to understand you and know how to love you (by you I mean so's). Where else do we get the insight but from actual cd's. This sight continues to help me gain acceptance, set personal boundries and grow as a person. I would be lost without it, and I am not kidding
Kitty

[CharleneCD]

Thank you Marla for saying what needed to be said. I thought about doing it but didn't. I am glad someone wasn't as lazy as I.

[midwest GG]

Shy Michelle you said it perfectly for me. I am a GG married to a CDer. i have just recently found out, and this forum helps me understand more about him/her. Heck, I can consider it free therapy??? lol Thanks to all of you who have helped, and supported me through this!! I love this forum!!

[Wren]

WOW....GG bashing? I've been lurking around the forum for a little bit now apprehensive about becoming a member. I'm a GG but my SO is FTM, so I kind of feel alone on this one, and I couldn't figure out if I belonged on this site/forum or not. I leap to the otherside to see what's going on and I find this. Talk about unsettling. However, it's reassuring that there is GG support in abundance.

I've never understood how people who know what not fitting into the box feels like, can openly restrict people around them. Because of my situation people always tell me that I'm a lesbian but I argue that that isn't so, and even my gay friends still don't believe that I just am who I am. Acceptance is the key that is missing in so many places.

Still aprehensively I hope that my presence doesn't conflict with anybody. I feel like I have a right to be here, for many reasons.

[darynn_NWPA]

I don't bash anyone, I know what it is like to be bashed. As for GGs, I love them all, just like some more than others.

darynn_NWPA