What's with all the GG bashing?

[TGMarla]

I don't know how all this started, and I'm not real sure just where most of it is coming from, but all this GG bashing that has been occurring recently has got to stop.

I have seen references made from some here that they are uncomfortable that we have a GG as our lead administrator(Edit: One of our lead administrators. My apologies), and that they are uncomfortable with the fact that real women are present in a crossdressing support site. After all, isn't this place supposed to be for crossdressers?

What is this? Envy? Resentment? What's the matter with you? This is a very good place to be, and one of the unique and wonderful aspects of this forum is the fact that we allow, welcome, and encourage women to participate. Much of what I have dealt with my entire life as a man who crossdresses is a total lack of acceptance by members of the other gender. I get that here, and I like it. I have also found that for the most part, the GGs here are far more level headed, kind, and supportive than many of the male members here.

So where do you come off joining the forum here and then complaining about it's comoposition? I'm only approaching 6 months here as a member, but there are times when I feel like one of the old timers. That's because here I have found a community that is genuinely accepting to me, and doesn't immediately judge me because I crossdress. Here I find understanding. Here I find people that are like me, for me, and with me. Here I find friends.

If you have something to say that you don't wish to divulge to the GGs, then post it in the private TG forum. If you have a complaint about women in general, then watch how you word your opinion, and do so in a way that is not derogatory and insulting. If you want a forum that doesn't include real women, then I'm sure you can find one somewhere else, and I cordially invite you to leave.

The positive contributions by the GGs (especially our Admin) here are irreplaceable. Prior to my joining here, I had never run into accepting females in my entire life. They are a light that illuminates this entire forum. So I am sure that I speak for many here when I say that I don't want to hear any more of this crap. If you want to bash our GGs, then do so on your way out of here, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, and shut your pie-holes.

[Joy Carter]

It takes courage to be a CD even more to support us. You are all welcome here as indeviduals and jointly. We can only persavear if well stick together as one.

Thanks Ever So Joy

[Shelly Preston]

Marla

I could not agree more

I have said it many times each and every GG deserves our support.

[Kitty Sue]

TGMarla I totally agree with you. The GGs in my opinion are what make this site special. If the GGs left then this TG would pick up her purse and leave too. They give so much to this site. I think they are wonderful.

[Jasmine Ellis]

Marla, way to go girl, way to go. I'm with you on this one, The real girls, NO, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY........The ladies, in here, I love them, they are great to us, and join in the fun as well.

Now, Tamara, she's out of this world, who you can have a laugh with I love her like she was my own sister.

Who ever do not like the real GGs in a wonderful place like this shouldn't be here.

To the GGs, I think you are so wonderful to use, thank you darlings

[DawnLabelle]

I can't agree more Marla, it saddens me to see people bashing the GGs in here. Dont we all want to be accepted to one degree or another?, isn't that what most of us in here are searching for?, then why the hell would anyone want to push away the women that do accept us for who we are and who support us?.

Personally, I feel that I've learned just as much, if not more, by the GG posts on this forum compared to the t-girl posts, and if they were to suddenly up and leave us it would leave a gaping hole in this site.

Dawn

[ChristineRenee]

Absolutely Marla. Our GG's here are deserving of our support...after all...they have to put up with all of US!

A big Chrissie Bear for all of you wonderful girls here!

[sparks]

Am i outta the loop or what! Is this an April fools thing! GG bashing here!
Man alive! There should be no bashing here at all.
Aren't the GG's Part of the Special support in our support group!

Honey I can't mow the lawn! It's still brown! Nagging GG!
Natch! just foolin!

[Bev06 GG]

AWWw thanks Marla,
and the rest of you. They were some of the kindest comments Ive heard in a long time. And I have to say a big Ditto to it all, we are all here cos we love you too. I must admit tho, I find more support off this site than I do GG bashing. I can tell that most of you love our imput and value our opinions, as we do yours.
Take care
BEVxxx

[heathr1]

Most of us are not in a position where we can just chat to, or ask the GGs we know about clothes, make-up etc.

That is why this site and the GGs on here are special.....We know we can engage in conversation and ask advice without being judged.

[Sarahgurl371]

It seems to me, that we have so many new members, so many intermediate members, and so many old members, and sometimes we clash. So I remind myself that not everybody here is like me.

I absolutley repsect and admire the GGs here who offer advice, input, even criticism of / for us all. They are trying to cope with this themselves, but in the process are helping us cope. Thank you all.

But then I remind myself that there are people who are just mean spirited. Some who hate women, some who hate men, some who hate themselves, some who just want to screw things up for others for whatever reason. So when I get pissed at something someone says, I try to think why they may have said it. Althought its impossible to know, it helps me to realize that we are all different, and have different life experiences. Now I am from the school of that that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it. But not everybody is like me.

[Monica55cd]

Marla and Joy..I agree whole heartedly with what you both said!!!
I too am a fairly new member here and I really appriciate how wonderfuly welcome I have felt here... this is the only place I have in my life right now that is this accepting of my dressing...it is really helping me feel better about my self and the support of the GG's here is even more helpful....Thanks to all for the help you've been to me....

[Dana]

One of the biggerst and greatest assets of this fourmn are the GG's that are not only accepting, but supporting of our needs as men who long for all things femininie. That's tough to fine in the day to day ~ all day tough, and so when you find it, ~ when you come across you ~ its best to hold it, prize it for the precious thing that it.

The GG that post here ~ are truly EXCEPTIONAL women. Smart, intelligent, caring, sensistive, sharing, supportive ~ yet they're NO ONE's fool, and they will "call the ball" as they seem them!

For those of us that are still in the closet, and who's SO's doesn't even have a clue ~ they briing to the fourmn a unique sounding board, that is greately needed, ~ and what is all the more ~ highly desired. The GG's here provide us ~ balance ~ that we need to keep from going off Helter-Skellter ~ which T-Girls are prone to do, once they find the least bit of acceptance.

And, finally, you can slice it, dice it, chop it up anyway you want ~ but the simple truth of the matter ~ regardless of where you fall on the transgendered spectrum ~ most of us ~ just are NEVER going to FULLY think and hold the perspective of a GG. That is gained not only by the unique bio-chemistry of a GG, but from a lifetime of day to day, real world experience.

I'm far from being a woman hater ~ and I don't believe all women are bad ~ indeed there was actually a time in my life when I actually believed in my naievity ~ that women could say and do no wrong. I have since learned through my own persnal life eperiences ~ and through the in-sight of other GG ~ that not ALL women are good and nice ~ and some ~ just like men can be and are just down right mean ~ just for the sake of being so.

Hoestly, there no call for any "Bashing" here at all ~ IMHO. But, most especially of the GG's who have been NOTHING BUT supportive and accpeting. Granted, they HAVE been at times more than just a little bit than brutually honest and frank ~ but in those times that I've witnessed this ~ it was justified and called for ~ such as making lewd comments that your average, typical woman on the street would find offensive ~ and even then their comments were made to keep those members that require it ~ grounded in the "real world" 0.02

[Elizabeth Anne]

I am only speaking for myself when I say this, but I put GG on the throne everyday as a queen. I wish I had "zillons" of GG friends to talk to, dress up with, go out shopping with, just hangout & do girly stuff. Unfortunally, being married, that cannot happen without major problems.

I would welcome any & all comments, suggestions, advise for the forum members from their perspective.

Beth

[Tamara Croft]

I have seen references made from some here that they are uncomfortable that we have a GG as our lead administrator.

I only want to quote this bit, then I'm backing off gracefully I'm not the 'lead administrator'. Sharon and I are co-administrators and in actual fact, she probably does more around this forum than I do (infact I know she does). She's just very quiet, unlike me... I have a huge mouth and regularly put my foot in it So, don't forget.... co-admins.... k? *backs out now*

[joannejoanne]

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Magenta"][B] Only being fairly new the great thing i have found with this website is that it is open to all. so lets enjoy it for what it stands for - an open forum were we can all share our views & opinions amongst ourselves whether we agree or not.

[Billijo49504]

I think having the GG here helps keep this as a nice place to be. Otherwise it would turn into a porno trash site, as some have. Ladies we want you here and appreciate you....Billi Jo

[EricaCD]

Another vote in favor of everything represented by this thread.

[CaptLex]

I just want to say that I'm a little jealous that most of us on the other side of the fence don't have SO's that log in, listen to our point of view, give us their insight (or even fashion tips) and offer their support and encouragement. But then I suppose it's human nature that some people don't realize what they have until they don't have it. I wholeheartedly appreciate the support and encouragement of the MtFs that step up and offer it, however.

Treasure your GG's, ladies.

[Wendy me]

gg's , cd's, adimn's what do thay all have in common here??? thay are members and as members here thay have rules here to make shure no one is bashed ...our gg's here not only members but gg's that soupport us in what we do .... and should be treated with the respect due them... i say as per the rules bash a member here cd or gg then time for the basher to go away for a while .....it's no wonder why people don't accpete us for who we are look how some think thay should say thanks for being understanding of what we do....shame on them.....

[Adrienne Heels]

I have to agree with Marla's comments...the GGs here are wonderful and supportive women. We need them here to make this the wonderful forum that it is!

Kisses,

Karyn

[sherri]

Please, please, please don't take what I'm about to say as disagreeing with the spirit of the posts of this thread. I don't think I've done any GG bashing, or said anything to make anyone think I'm not a fan; in fact, if anyone cared to research my posting history, you'll find that I have come down on the side of SOs much more often than that of CDs. But just in case, let me reiterate for the umpteenth time lately that I am a staunch advocate of the GGs' presence and participation in this forum.

But ...

This is a forum whose raisson d'etre is crossdressing, and I will hazard the guess that for most CDs on this site, issues pertaining to the GGs in their lives are equal in significance to the crossdressing in their lives. Now, we could, I suppose, restrict topics of discussion to panties and makeup, but I for one am more interested in issues and topics of greater substance. I mean, how much is there to say about panties?

In other words, because our relationships with GGs are a big deal, and our crossdressing within those relationships is a big deal, we have to be able to talk about them. Moreover, it is unreasonable to insist that such discussion cannot include complaint or criticism. It can and must be articulated with civility and compassion, but we shouldn't have to feel like we're walking on eggshells here.

Nor do I believe that such discussion has to be relegated to a different forum. I don't know what goes on in the GG forum, but you can't tell me there is never any complaining or criticism of the opposite sex going on in there. I don't know what goes on in the TG forum either, and I guess it depends on how you interpret gender acronyms, but since I really consider myself to be a CD rather than a TG or TS, I have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the MTF crossdresser forum is the place for me.

I happen to agree with Bev, who as a GG commented that she hasn't seen much bashing here; I haven't either, at least what I consider to be bashing. Yes, I have seen some, and it pisses me off. I suppose it's bound to happen - as the comedian Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid." But we can and should police ourselves and bite down on such unacceptable behavior.

One other thought about the bashing - I have seen some pop up apropos of nothing, totally unwarranted (actually, it's always unwarranted). But most bashing seems to emerge as arguments escalate, and I have seen tempers flare on both sides of the gender aisle. Temper tantrums are unattractive and insulting regardless of who is throwing them.

Okay, one last thought about bashing: as Tammy noted, we don't always know what pressure cooking a member is stewing in. He could be experiencing acute problems with his SO and feeling a great deal of frustration towards the opposite sex. Likewise, his SO, were she to visit the forum, might be looking for an opportunity to vent. That doesn't mean the adversarial attitudes and invective should be humored here, and in both cases I would hope that the members, GG and CD alike, will, with as much as gentleness as possible and as much sternness as necessary, steer both parties toward a more amicable and constructive frame of mind.

[Julie York]

Good thread Marla and I was thinking the same things over the last few days.

There does have to be some sort of balance with regard to "heroine worship" or it gets rather superficial and embarrassing with all these 'wannabe women' being all fawning and subservient just because someone has real boobs. I mean they are just human after all and they can be as wrong or right as the rest of us. So I reserve the right to have a sensible debate with a GG without anyone getting all uppety.

But some of the openly provocative statements aimed at the GGs have made me seriously angry, simply because they were so obviously hostile and either written by someone who has a personal problem with women, or someone who was wanting to upset and annoy. Or maybe someone who didn't think it through.

And the shame of it is that someone like Tamara or Marla GG or kathy gg could intellectually hand these people their testicles on a plate served with a nice Cianti before they even knew they were missing.

But they don't.

O.K. deduct Tamara....

OW!

[Sweet Virginia]

Yeah I go along with that 100%. I think I made a slightly patronising remark a couple of weeks ago, it was just a lightweight bit of fluff and I'm very sorry if it caused upset, it certainly wasn't meant to!

[Janelle Young]

I have only been here a short while but in my opinion the GG's are what makes this place work. If they were not here, I would not be here either.