Ignorance About Crossdressing

[LaceyDee]

When it comes to topics such as this, I am very glad that I am an athiest. The church , in my opinion, teaches hate. Whatever happened to "love thy neighbor as thyself"?

Don't get me started...........................!!!!!

[VeronicaMoonlit]

We as well as others were trying to help this wife who was struggling with her husband's crossdressing. We were promoting education but obviously they only want statements condemning the acceptance of crossdressing and as expected they equate crossdressing with homosexuality. This board is part of the largest "Christian" broadcasting network in the world and is visited by thousands daily.

Melanie

What else did you expect? Look all the discussion on various boards and whatnot on faith n' crossdressing by those CD's who just happen to be evangelical is a waste of time/effort. Just quit the denominations and become unitarians or atheists or something. Cut your losses and run. :-)


Veronica

[Teresa Amina]

Just quit the denominations and become unitarians or atheists or something. Cut your losses and run. :-)Veronica

Life is too weird to be an atheist, but there are many alternatives to X-tianity. You can't convert totalitarians to liberals, be yourself, but somewhere else.

[Lilith Moon]

I went along to take a look at that website.

I happen to have an interest in evolution science so naturally took a look at some relevant forums. They are not only ignorant about human gender and sexuality, they are agressively ignorant about science, especially evolution.

One message, for example, said this:
"I don't understand evolution and, as a Christian, I don't want to understand it"

Depressing site

[Kimberly]

Depressing site

Severely so...

Just makes me angry.

[MistyCD]

The Religeous Right wing is neither!!!!

There was an interesting article in the newspaper yesterday about some religeous right winged group in Kansas called the Westboro baptist Church (WBC)that goes out an protests whenever a gay person dies. Seems they have a new twist...they are protesting at funerals for vets who die in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan saying they are dying because God is punishing them for homosexuality in the USA... what a bunch of s**t...
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Counter-Protest of WBC
Wednesday, 11/2/2005*
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This anti-Troops/anti-war "liberal" hate group will be protesting
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I personally think the whole WBC should be deported to Iraq.

sorry for my rants....but that really burns me up !!!

Misty

[Kimberly]

I heard about this extreme example.

Sorry girls - but only in America...

[Olivia]

[SIZE="4"]To hell with organized religion. That is the source of more hatred, self-righteousness, prejudice and judgemental so-called "christians". One may be a spiritual person without playing along with those Bible-thumping devil-dodgers who place their faith in the "word of God". Yeah right. The Bible was written by men-ignorant, primitive men-and their interpretation of what is right and wrong. Hold firm to your own faith and beliefs. You are just as right as "they" are. Hold your head up, Olivia.[/SIZE]

[ReginaK]

Calling them ignorant is giving them too much credit. People like them who refuse to even listen to multiple sides of an issue are flat out stupid.

[Joanie]

This Westboro Baptist Church thing celebrating the death of soldiers is absolutley revolting! I am a Christian and can not imagine any Christian I know openly taking part in anything like that! With all due respect, are we sure of the validity of this article, that this is accurate and not simply an internet myth?

Please don't judge an entire faith by a snippet of information like this. I need only look at the aftermath of Katrina, the countless church groups that were there. The church I worked with took requests from homeowners to do everything from clear debris in yards, to remove flood damaged walls and replace them, etc. All done, of course, at no charge There is so much outreach to people and good that goes on in the name of Christ--our church is involved in a mission to Tanzania-shipping and installing basic infrastructre material like water pipes to channel clean mountain water into a village, thus eliminating the need for people to take chances drinking from river water that contains fecal matter from animals. And don't forget the Christian's Children Fund out of Richmond, Virginia-$25.00 a month to help a child in need. This list could go on and on but I think the message is clear. Any Christians who advocate hate at this WBC group apparently does are vastly outnumbered by those quietly trying to improve the lot of their fellow man and woman.

[Taffy]

You aren't going to change their minds, they have an absolute belief in their own "rightness". It's all black and white. I'm a D&D player, we've had similar issues and trying to convince the evangelicals they were wrong on D&D simply did not work. You can try all you want, but it's an exercise in futility.

The phrase, "like teaching a pig to sing," comes to mind. It wastes your time and annoys the pig...

Taffy

[Katiegirl]

I have found this thread interesting and in the the religious discussion group we too have discussed this subject many times

Melanie R and any others if you want to see those threads could I suggest you join that group and view some of those threads.


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[tori-e]

This is very funny. Thanks for making me smile!

Testiculos habet et bene pendentes

[tori-e]

I'd just like to add that I recently came out as TS to two significant people in my life. I was a bit concerned because they are very strong Catholics. To my surprise, they have been amazingly supportive and though they are strong Catholics they recognize that love and tolerance are an important part of their beliefs. Regardless of if the official party line is to try to fix the likes of us.

[Kimberly]

I'd just like to add that I recently came out as TS to two significant people in my life. I was a bit concerned because they are very strong Catholics. To my surprise, they have been amazingly supportive and though they are strong Catholics they recognize that love and tolerance are an important part of their beliefs. Regardless of if the official party line is to try to fix the likes of us.

I've done this too... A couple I'm friends with, one is catholic, whilst the other traditional protestant, and they're both quite happy about it!!

Good friends

[Holly]

Is it just me, or does this thread contain a high level of intolerance to people of faith in general and Christians in particular? I always thought that as transgendered people, we were more sensitive to the destructive force that intolerance brings with it. Just as we all do not wish to be judged by the action of a few of some of the more, shall we say, flamyboyant members of our community, we should be the last people to jump to condemming people with beliefs different from our own. Would you like to be judged on the basis of the antics of Dennis Rodman? It is just as wrong for us to condemm people of faith on the antics of a relative few.

Holly
Moderator, Religious Discussion Group

[VeronicaMoonlit]

Is it just me, or does this thread contain a high level of intolerance to people of faith in general and Christians in particular?

It's mostly in response to the hatred shown to the TG community. Some of us have had bad experience dealing with evangelicals/conservatives. If they want to hate me, fine, but not being a Christian, I will not turn the other cheek and walk away.

I am not a member of the Religous forum here for a reason, most TG religous forums are full of conservatives agonizing over reconciling their faith with their CDing. I think that's futile, they should just quit whining, quit their churches and be done with it. Why support the offering plate of your own oppression? Anything else is a waste of precious time.


Veronica

[Ms. Donna]

Is it just me, or does this thread contain a high level of intolerance to people of faith in general and Christians in particular?

I think it a reaction to the lack of tolerance or even the attempt at understanding the TG community gets from the 'church' as an institution.

I always thought that as transgendered people, we were more sensitive to the destructive force that intolerance brings with it.

Which is why we are able to spot it so well - even when disgused with supposedly good intentions.

Need an example: look up Exodus International. Also, have a look at the thread Found On Way To Other Things over in the TG/TS forum here.

Just as we all do not wish to be judged by the action of a few of some of the more, shall we say, flamyboyant members of our community, we should be the last people to jump to condemming people with beliefs different from our own.

These are not the actions of a few, these are national and international organizations - out to save us from ourselves - all in the name of God.

Go ask the Vatican their views on this. Q.E.D.

It is just as wrong for us to condemm people of faith on the antics of a relative few.

Not a relative few. Christianity as a religion and the church as an institution thereof does not teach tolerance and acceptance of the transgedered any more than they do so of gays. We are not accepted or tolerated - we are pitied. We are told that we are sinners, that we are violating God's law. We are talked down to, preached to - told how we need to be 'saved' lest we burn in hell. :


I am genuinely happy that you have resolved being TG and your relationship with God: it works for you and that's great. But please don't pretend that 'the church' is this all accepting entity expressing unquestioning tolerance because we both know it's not now the case nor has it even been. Just look the holy wars and the inquisition. Q.E.D.


God and I... We don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things.

Let's just say that we have agreed to disagree.


Love & Stuff,
Donna

[Wendy me]

this thread is closed as we are not going anywere with this now...