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Hi Guys, I had asked the good Captain Lex about this, and he suggested I start this thread. The thing is that yesterday I was posting in answer to a thread here, and was going to refer to dressing in male clotthes as being "in drab" as we refer to it on the MtF board, but thought better of it, as i thought that you boys might take offense at the term. Forgive my ignorance in this. However, I would like to know your feelings on this term as it might apply to you. Thanks. Love and xxxx, Lily
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Well, as I mentioned to Lily, I think it's a good question 'cause it's a term I've never heard used on this side of the fence. It may just be something that MtFs relate to. I certainly don't consider my boys' clothes to fit the definition of "in drab". Depending on the occasion and my mood, my clothes are casual, comfortable, dressy, office attire, beachwear, etc., but they're the colors, patterns and material that I feel comfortable in - never "drab".
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I agree Captlex. Guy clothes can be pretty colorful and sharp (but don't get me started). Not to mention those Pirate outfits which are indeed damn colorful. Avast, ye swabs!Originally Posted by CaptLex
Well, as I mentioned to Lily, I think it's a good question 'cause it's a term I've never heard used on this side of the fence. It may just be something that MtFs relate to. I certainly don't consider my boys' clothes to fit the definition of "in drab". Depending on the occasion and my mood, my clothes are casual, comfortable, dressy, office attire, beachwear, etc., but they're the colors, patterns and material that I feel comfortable in - never "drab".
I have heard the term a number of times (sometimes "en drab") but it never struck me as pejorative. It just seems to mean not "en femme".
I was told that drag = Dressed As A Girl and drab = Dressed As A Boy, but that might just be an urban legend.
In any case I'm sure that the term is a throwback to the days when men weren't really allowed to wear colorful clothes.
Rachel xxx
Last edited by Rachel Ann; 10-01-2006 at 10:49 AM.
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Meh. I haven't really got a prefference. Call it drab, call it boys clothes, doesn't bother me either way.
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ive only heard and used the word drab when refering to a MTFs mainly friends that ive seen in either mode, never heard it when refering to a FTM, personally i dont like the word as i am never drab i am just me!
Last edited by Kieron Andrew; 10-02-2006 at 02:43 AM.
None of you guys are "drab" to me. I think you are all very handsome. I'm not flirting here, just stating a fact.
I must say I really don't bother. Call it drab, drag or whatever. If I don't like it, I will ignore it.
(and thanks Ericka. Woot we are handsome!)
Although I'm not keen on the the word Drag(Much like Transvestite, has too much of a negative history) I do like the Acronyms...Maybe the Urban legend could become mainstream with a positive spin on the words.
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For me dressed in Drab simply means I'm wearing something that I would rather not be wearing and in a way it expresses the feeling I have when that happens. In drab... feeling drab... kinda like Blah.
I like the acronym better though since when thought of that way "drab" does not have the Blah feeling connected to it. Besides, when I'm all dressed up I don't have a "drag" feeling.... hehehe, whatever that feeling would be it doesn't sound like it would be much better then "drab" anyway.
None of you guys are "drab" to me. I think you are all very handsome. I'm not flirting here, just stating a fact.
I'm fairly certain that the drab/drag acronym thing is an urban legend. It only appears on LGBT sites. It doesn't appear on any of the standard etymology sites.
I don't use the term Drag, unless I'm talking about Drag Queens.
I reckon that it'll be less confusing if we keep the drab/drag thing for the MTFs (if we must use those words at all). The FTM guys deserve to have their own words that they are comfortable with.
How about the use of the term "en homme" in contrast to "en femme", or does the French make it seem too girly? Maybe a Germanic term instead?
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I also don't use the term "drag" either unless referring to Drag Queens. I have nothing against the term "en homme", except that most people would probably raise an eyebrow at itand I'd have to constantly explain it. I guess I'll just stick to boys' clothes or menswear.
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I want to thank everyone for the response. I appreciate you taking the time to educate me on this. Love and xxxx, Lily
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Me, too
FtMs also deserve the right to create and "brand" their own words. I say "in drab" or "en drab" for the all too many times when I cannot go out "en femme".I reckon that it'll be less confusing if we keep the drab/drag thing for the MTFs (if we must use those words at all). The FTM guys deserve to have their own words that they are comfortable with.
Good luck. Introducing new lingo is always dicey, people accept it or they don't.
I had a cologne called "Parfum Pour Homme". My friends immediately started calling it "Pour Homie".
Rachel xxx
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Your eyes looked through your mother's face
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Yeah translate it to german, dutch, swedish or danish?
en femme
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german: in Frau
dutch: in vrouw
swedish: av fru
danish: til hustru
en homme
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german: in Mann
dutch: in man
swedish: av män
danish: til menneske
(I might have made some errors, but I think this is pretty correct..
This starts to get snarky. In German, an unmarried woman is a "Maedchen" (Maiden), expressed with the neuter gender. I think that the same is true in Dutch, I don't know about Swedish or Danish.Yeah translate it to german, dutch, swedish or danish?
en femme
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german: in Frau
dutch: in vrouw
swedish: av fru
danish: til hustru
en homme
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german: in Mann
dutch: in man
swedish: av män
danish: til menneske
(I might have made some errors, but I think this is pretty correct..
I'm also not sure about the equivalence of prepositions - 'auf Mann' might be more appropriate than 'in Mann'.
Moral: let's leave language alone to the extent possible, people aren't going to accept new usages readily anyway.
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Your eyes looked through your mother's face
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May the four winds blow you safely home
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I could definitely care less, in drab, whatever, I like it, it suits me just fine, you can keep the drag, as long as i can keep my drabthanks for the consideration of asking though
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I like Robin's "en homme." If that doesn't work why not just "girl clothes" and "boy clothes?"
It takes a real man to wear a dress.
I personally don't like the term drab...I am dressed the way I am because I feel that way. And that's the way it's served.
Personally, if there isn't really a term for FtM, I don't really see a reason why to create one...you are what you are despite the packaging, amirite?
Historically though, men did used to wear pretty colorful clothes, with laces, pink and high stiletto heels. Fashion is a strange mistress...
Last edited by Bridget; 11-17-2006 at 12:26 PM. Reason: tying it to the main topic.
Hello,
I do agree with your statement 100%
Last edited by CaptLex; 11-17-2006 at 08:45 PM.
I am sure you all know this but I did not see it mentioned. We can thank The Bard for the term DRAG. Apparently it was written in the margins of his plays to represent Dressed As A Girl.
people have said to me when i was still dressing half and half that 'boymode' was a good term for ftms who dress all the way.....as i do now, i much prefer it than drab, also think 'en homme' is great
Last edited by Kieron Andrew; 11-17-2006 at 06:08 PM.
What I've said for MTFs is also true for the guys: you're only en drab if you let yourself be drab.
'Course I've been known to be en homme myself.
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I have heard that. I was wondering, however, if drab was also an acronym Shakespeare used?
Shannon
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