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    Lessons learned from when coming out goes bad

    As mentioned, I went to the nail salon last Saturday en femme and consequently got color on my fingernails as well as my toenails. Since the color looked really nice and was light "natural" color that wasn't visible at distance, I decided to do an experiment in androgyny and leave it on Sunday.

    Sundays I have a routine, I like to read the paper over brunch at a favorite restaurant. Over the months I've become friendly with one of the waitresses, Maria, a grandmotherly Latina. When I found out she likes going through the coupons in the Sunday paper, I made a point of giving them to her and to thank me, she gave me Christmas cookies during the holiday.

    When she came over to pick up the coupons today, Maria immediately noticed the nail polish because it was similar to her color. The way she responded sounded like she found it kind of cute. Since she wasn't working the section where I was sitting, I told that if she had a minute, I'd share a secret with her.

    A little later she came over and I said something to the effect that it wasn't the first time I'd worn polish, and pulled out one of my photos. She said I looked pretty and I thumbed through some of the other photos. I thought it went well. Oh was I wrong...

    This afternoon, I stopped by a fast-food place to pick up a snack before the Super Bowl. I sat down behind a couple and unintentionally eavesdropped while waiting for my order. Gradually, I realized the woman (who was facing away from me) was Maria and she was talking about me. (Talk about coincidence...) She was telling her companion how she didn't know what to say and how the more I talked about it, the sicker she got to her stomach. Apparently it upset her enough that she talked to the restaurant manager about it.

    Needless to say, listening to her was painful in so many ways. Painful to know that my crossdressing caused her physical revulsion. Painful to know that I'd misread the situation so badly. Painful to know that I'd made her so uncomfortable.

    Just to clarify, I don’t feel bad as much about exposing her to something that her prejudices made her uncomfortable with, it’s more that because I was a customer, she didn’t feel comfortable saying how she felt.

    I guess part of it is that confiding in her was tangential to our “professional” relationship. I don’t have any problem telling a sales clerk at a clothing store or make-up counter that I’m shopping for myself — it’s relevant to my purchase and if they want my business then they should serve me regardless of their personal feelings. If I’d come in en femme, then yeah, I would’ve expected the same. I dunno… this particular situation felt different.

    Some days being trans just sucks...

    But in the vein of "Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up," here's some lessons learned (with much thanks to friends at another for helping my sort out my thoughts):

    • I now have a greater appreciation why “I Will Survive” is the gay national anthem. Actually, I’m only half-joking. After an emotional beat-down — which I’m sure many gays experienced coming out in the 1970s — I can appreciate the affirmation of saying: You think I’d crumble / You think I’d lay down and die / Oh no, not I / I will survive. It wasn’t a pleasant experience, but I’m still here.
    • Jude pointed out that we get so used to this being everyday, no big deal, that we forget that for much of the world, it’s not, and that we are perhaps the first trans person this person has ever met, up close and personal.
    • What hurt the most was hearing that sort of reaction from someone I thought would be OK with it. It’s one thing to get stares and giggles while out, or to get a hostile reaction while doing outreach — I hate to say it, but I’m used to experiencing bigotry in that context. But in this case, part of me was kicking myself for misjudging someone so badly. In this case, I think I was a bit over-confident based on the the nail salon experience the day before.
    • Sometimes you just never can tell how folks will react. Maria had seen my Halloween pictures of me as Little Red Riding Hood and seeming had gotten a kick out of them, and likewise seemed to enjoy the fact that I had painted nails that morning. So each coming out really is a bit of a leap of faith.
    • While this incident went badly, I’m not going to let it outweigh all the positive ones I’ve had. Usually coming out is a liberating and positive experience. So I’d like to think I won’t be overly fearful of confiding in people in the future (although I admit I’m feeling a little gun-shy at the moment).
    • While I’ve felt it’s important to show folks photos of me en femme to try to give people a sense that I’m not what they’re probably picturing — Klinger or Dr. Frank N. Furter – I need to be sure to ask if people are interested in seeing them, since it could be perceived as TMI and being exhibitionist in the wrong way. (Normally, I do but I mistakenly skipped based on Maria having seen past pictures, her enthusiasm for my nails, and me having told her that I’d share a secret with her if she was interested.) That’s one misstep I feel bad about. The other is putting Maria in a position where she felt cornered. It would’ve been one thing if I’d showed up en femme, in which case I would’ve expected to be treated like any other customers. But this was tangential to business but in a setting where she felt constrained by “commercial courtesy.”
    • I’m not quite as fully self-accepting as I thought. Initially I did feel bad for making Maria so uncomfortable — and yeah, it was more than just for the reasons mentioned. There was a part of me that felt bad that I’d physically sickened someone. (When I posted about it at the Betty boards, I named the thread “chastened” (definition: to correct using punishment or suffering.)
    • But Tink points out that if we reframe the situation we see it for what it truly was. Imagine that I’d been talking with her and when the topic comes up naturally, I pulled out a picture of my girlfriend, who’s another race. Or if I were gay, I pulled out a picture and said, “That’s my boyfriend.” Neither photo is a graphic tongue-down throat picture, but maybe we’ve got an arm around each other. Had I overheard Maria express similar feelings about race or sexuality, I would’ve had no problem saying to myself, “What a bigot!” I’m sorry that she can’t look past her prejudices to see me as a person, but that’s her problem.

    As far as what to do tomorrow, when I go in again for brunch, I’m planning to take Tink’s advice to go and act completely normal, offer Maria the coupons as usual — and only if she seems distant, will I apologize for the manner in which I came out (but I won’t apologize for being who I am). We’ll see what happens.
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    Marlena,
    Maybe I'm just irritated because my SO asked me if I was going to wear my girly ring into IKEA (she phrased it as if she didn't want to be seen with me wearing it), but I say this is Maria's problem and you shouldn't apologise for anything. If she has a problem with your dressing, its just that, HER problem. Just because she's a closed minded bigot, doesn't mean that you have to walk on egg shells to please her. I'm sorry, but I'm not usually so militant, but I'm really pi**ed off right now at people who don't completely accept us.
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    Marlena
    hi i am sorry it went bad for you, i can relate a new girl started out at work last week and i was showing my pictures to my friends and as she was sitting there i showed her as well, later that day i was called up to the office a reamed out for showing my picture to her my boss said it was sexsual harassment " Right " any way i got crap for being polite to a new employee
    the funny thing is i found out later why she is so mad at me is her ex is a cd'r , but this new person should not take it out on me
    the difference between us is i am a full time ts , and i feel i should not be treated like crap for being a woman with a penis , and this is not over only the begging i fear my job is on the line
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    ever been arrested enfemme?
    cops are the worst

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    sorry to hear that... now the interesting part .... you heard her talk ... you were kinda friendly shearing coupons ... now watch how she reacts to you ... if she is all hi how are you and that way ..... you get just who she relay is ... i don't think you did anything relay wrong .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwincessbigbootyooty View Post
    ever been arrested enfemme?
    cops are the worst
    How so ? I'm retired P.O. and I have worked with a great many other officers. I can say they are different just like general population.

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    okl sorry for the generalization
    ican understand shock and some comments or whateva
    but around here they harassedand even threatened me to no end
    and intentionally tried to put me in more danger when being movedto genpop by
    inciting otherinmates by shouting what i was wearing when they picked me up
    (the nurse actually hads me stay with her til bail posted
    actually once a cop "copositioned me to"go behind the building"
    and i think he got his friend/prosecuting officer to drop the more serious(fabricated) charges as well somehow cos he showed up outta nowhere at the preliminary hearing
    its weird im scared of them
    but anyway again sorry for the generalization im sure some are nice guys and everything
    but these cops all had someting to prove and were basically fratboys with guns trying to outmacho the next

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    I am never sure concerning other people, people that I meet, face to face as it were. Your intent was good, very understandable and I might have done the same myself. Your long term reaction is also good. We must wait for her future reaction.
    People are people and people talk to other people, especially about something ( or somebody) different. I sincerely hope that she does not get to talking to someone else in a descriptive enough fashion to reveal who you are. I get the impression that she did not describe you in that behind the table chat.
    That being so, it is strictly between you and her initial reaction to you on the next brunch meeting. Take it from there as a between you and her thing. It is no more than that.
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    I really don't give a crap what people think about me... I live for me not for them. Most people you meet are two faced and the majority of us only seem to worry when their true thoughts become known to our detriment. Least my way I really have no interest in their witterings.
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    i have meet a few crossdressers that are cops thay are not so diffent from any other people we just talk about nails hair and things like that i have found cops to be the best people you can meet when dressed

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    Marlena, will you be going for brunch tomorrow?

    MJ - I've been to several seminars on harassment issues in Manitoba. In Canada, if the lady is talking about you and your life style, behind your back, its actually you who has the grounds for harassment.

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    Hi girls
    Got arrestes in sept and locked up while dresses reasons are stupidity on my part and not important but the officers who took me in and the staff at the lockup treated me wit respect and dignity and my size and quick wits kept the other prisioners in line
    So cops were ok by mee in a situation that could have been so much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa Golightly View Post
    I really don't give a crap what people think about me... I live for me not for them. Most people you meet are two faced and the majority of us only seem to worry when their true thoughts become known to our detriment. Least my way I really have no interest in their witterings.
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    So.... you felt the need to share yourself with a person that, at most, is a casual business oriented relationship and are now worried about the fallout?

    Seems that you've released the genie from the bottle, and now must deal with the consequences. Either continue as before your revelation; or find a new place to dine.

    As I've said elsewhere today, Just because we are stretching the limits of normality, doesn't mean our family, friends and acquaitances are ready to make the same trip.
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    Marlena, Maria's reaction did not surprise me. My experience has shown--For some reason, Latino/hispanic women are totally turned off by anything other that totally macho in a man. When I worked at NY & Co, the only real troubles that I had on the floor were with latino women. Because I was working in that store, I was less than manly in their eyes, and they let me know it.

    When you were showing her the pix and telling her, were you so engrossed that maybe you missed her body language? When telling someone, always watch their body language. Listen to what they say, but listen to how they say it. That will tell you what they are really thinking.

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    Just goes to show that one must be very careful who one confides in - even when a situation "feels" right in the gut sometimes it can be false intuition. In any case, don't feel too bad Marlena. I've tried on dresses at thrift stores before and I've heard the women (often hispanic but not always) who work in the area near the fitting rooms make fun of me in hushed tones. It was hard at first but I've just decided to live and let live - they can go on making fun of me and I can go on dressing and it's all OK. These were just words anyway.

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    coming out to an elderly latina? Bad move, very bad move!!!

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    Hi Marlena,

    I think I would have reacted in just the same way as you. I would have been gutted that my actions (seemingly) made this woman feel bad. Her being upset would have bothered me, but not as much as I would be about myself, because I'd kicking myself at misjudging of the situation.

    However, in your case, as you said, you had already shown her pics of you en femme for Halloween, and she seemed ok with them. Also, she saw your nail polish and also (seemingly) thought it was cute too. Do you think that she was perhaps over exaggerating her horror and repulsion to her friends in the fast food restaurant for effect? I mean, ok, she told them, but was their reaction as she was telling them (that you couldn't see because you had your back to them all) really bad? so bad that felt she had to make her reaction even worse than it actually was so that she felt in harmony with her peers? I dunno - just a thought :

    Anyway, don't let it get you down, and your plans for tomorrow's brunch is a good one. Act as if nothing has happened and if she is just as friendly as before. Keep quiet about it and put it down to "another page in the book of experience."
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    If you had not overheard that conversation, you probably would have considered this "coming out" experience as another positive. I think this goes to show us all that many of these positive experiences are only an example of people being able and willing to hide their true feelings and reactions. I think a lot of us are guilty of imposing ourselves on an unsuspectiong public and misreading people being nice as being accepting, or worse, our passing. I'm guilty of it myself, particularly at the hair salon. If this little incident illicited the reaction you describe, imagine the same thing if you'd gone in for a bra fitting!

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    Sorry for the bum trip you had, but we all have to remember, at best we are thought to be no more than 5 percent of the population, it's there world, we are just living in it!
    most people in most situations will just smile, and go on, then who knows what is said once you are out of ear shot, just because people generally don't like confontations, does not mean the except what you are doing.
    If you see some guy at the mall that is stoned, I doubt that you would confront him, but you might go home and tell everyone about the nut you saw that thought he was getting away with something (and if no one got up in his face he did)
    It is this sort of treatment, and this sort of reality that keep so many of us in the closet, and that is why those of you with enough nerve to go out, are such a novelty to them.
    Stay brave, we need more people like you out there.
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    Good point tina! I'm guilty. Maybe we all are sometimes.....
    Did you see that guy at the other mall we were at? Do you think that he thought he looked good in that dress? Nice dress though. Good style.
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    I was dating a girl online (sigh) when i started to transition , she had totally been supportive in every way , then a mutual friend had told me my photos made her sick to the stomach , so i can relate there.

    I also think thats an advantage of being out , you don't have to worry about how people react to your other self.

    I had recently seen a documentary where a random person in the street said the death penalty should be applied to transsexuals it's easy to forget how uneducated some people are.

    Im really unsure why you felt inclined to tell this person though. I would have just smiled at the nails comment and left it at that.

    Anyway , hope you are not too affected by this. I think there is truth in what Angel Darling posted.
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    marlena it's her problem not your just go on being you hun
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    To Princessbigbootytooty:

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    hun,
    I am sorry that you were made to feel this way, life sucks sometimes... and it is another darn reason to be honest with folks.... if she had said that it made her uncomfortable, or even made a blatant excuse to remove herself you would have been saved the hurt and embaressment....... sorru again hun

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