I was reading answers from GGs on a pole to how they felt about MtoF CDs. And of out of about twenty answers, they all said they were not happy about us using the women's rest room.
Interestingly enough about four of them had no problem with us being dressed.
So GGs how do you stand on this issue ?
I'd be shocked, sorta would feel violated..not sure why, thats just the thought that popped into my head. But then again, if the CD went into the mens room dressed like that, in a place other then a LGBT friendly bar or such, there could be problems there as well. So, I'd rather see em in the womens restroom, then possibly get harrassed/assaulted in the mens room.
Strange answer I know, but oh well, at 3am my brain just doesnt function like it does during the day.
Nic
Although I'm not a GG, I do have thoughts and feelings about this topic.
Is it that GGs would rather see a TG person raped or beaten, in a men's wash room, rather than have "one of them" in a ladies room?
Or is it that women are just so fearful of "men", that they just lump everyone together, as leachers?
What about the places that have unisex wash rooms, with no locks, suddenly, you're not afraid of men, anymore?
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It doesn't bother me, so long as they don't make a bit issue out of it themselves and so long as the Cder is presenting as female ie if they came in wearing girly jeans and top but no forms, makeup etc then I would be uncomfortable with them being in the ladies room because to me that is not presenting fully as female.
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Non-GG here. It's not real TGs I worry about.. But we're already loosing sight of the fact that *most* MTFs are still straight; and have larger stature than the most GGs. That situation alone lends itself to some unneeded volatility.
It welcomes any pig wanting a peep show to proclaim themselves TG just long enough for someone to let her guard down while he plays the wolf in sheep clothing. And as a MTF, I really don't feel the need to conquer, invade and infiltrate every aspect of GG life. Just my 2c.
I wopuld probabley feel the same as men would if a GG came in to use their male restroom, a bit shocked, and wonder what the heck if they were not presenting as fully fem, and to be honest would probably challenge them as to why they were there,............ however if they were dressed fully fem (and spotted them)I would more than probably hang around to make sure that they were not clocked and challenged by other GG's ...... in otherwords do me mother hen bit
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[SIZE="3"]I totally disagree as a person who is out often mainstream, I use the ladies room as needed I do what I have to with my feet pointed in the correct direction wash my hands check my make-up and leave, having a choice not really wanting to be there. In NY State they have the gender law, a person presenting themselves as a woman can not be ticketed for using the restroom.[/SIZE]Originally Posted by Tasha Meredith
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That's true. Like I said it's not the benign TGs I worry about. Though I have to wonder if it being law puts any GGs mind at ease.
As long as the CD is using the facility for the same purpose as I, and not displaying any inappropriate behavior, I don't have a problem with it. If a girl's gotta go, a girl's gotta go.
Rosa (GG)
To me it's a scary thought, a wolf in sheeps clothing; that's all we would need
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I agree it is not a comfortable situation, but if I am presenting as a woman, I feel I have to use the ladies room. I guess i can only say to the GGs who are reading this that it really is a matter of necessity, and that there's nothing going on in the bathroom that I find tittilating. Often, if I'm sitting there and someone comes in, I wait until they're gone before getting up. And I make sure I know where all the single-occupancy bathrooms are in town!
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Yvonne
I have no problem with it and as like Sandra said.....so long as they don't make a bit issue out of it themselves.........................There is no way that I'd ever want Sher to go anywhere else but the ladies room when Sher................EVER. We have never ran into any problem except the time a young lady asked Sher if she had a "Feminine product"...I just answered.for her.....no sorry we don't
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Let me chime in and add that while I have used the ladies room many times before, I am still nervous that some lady in there will detect me and start a scene.....and I'll wet my panties before I can escape to the mens room to let nature take her course. I am very careful to be in just long enough to do what the room is for and escape in a ladylike manner.
Emily Ann
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It seems in reading the poll, answers here and comments on the CBC interview with Prof. Gilbert, that some GGs take offense about the fact that the CDers are mostly heterosexual and therefore potentially aroused by whatever they see in there. I've also personally noted some negative reaction in that situation. Makes me wonder if lesbians are confronted with the same issue - ah, but then how would you know?
There is no known incident of a tg person or pretender bothering any one in the Women's bathroom. Not one, ever.
There are thousands of incidents of butch looking women getting harassed by other women in the women's rest room and often told to leave. They are just too masculine looking.
There are thousands of incidents of femme looking men getting harassed by other men for looking too feminine.
Bathroom safety is a much larger issue than just concerns us.
Gender variant looking people have all kinds of problems.
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I dont have a big issue with it, but ( as have been said ) as long as they came in "dressed" thats fine . & yes GG's would be alittle cautious ( human nature ) .
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ive been out with many MTF TS's and TV's over the years, and as long as they are dressed enfemme they have the right to use the female toilets as long as they are not there to cause trouble, i.e go in do the business, come out wash hands and go, ive even witnessed GG's sharing makeup tips and perfume advice with my TV/TS friends......i dont see a problem with it.....besides being FTM i use the gents anyway....again going in doing the business and leaving
if a dressed MTF was to go in the gents they are likely to get a bad reception and it could get nasty, so i would fear for their safety
I had to use the ladies in a very crowded AC casino on a Saturday night around 1 AM. Place was full of women. I went in, used the facilites, washed my hands, checked my makeup and left. No incident, and some even smiled and said hello. Just go in and do what you have to do and leave. There usually wont be an issue.I dont have a big issue with it, but ( as have been said ) as long as they came in "dressed" thats fine . & yes GG's would be alittle cautious ( human nature ) .
Our GG's here all are the most understanding on the planet. But we sure have a lot of work to do regarding our image with the rest of the GG world.
Michelia
As a GG here's my
In my late teens to very earily 20's I was introduced to the GLBTG scene and have shared many a bathrooms with men. Hell I was married to a strait man who wasn't a C.D. and he took more time in there than most C.D.s I know!lol
I honestly would rather share a bathroom with a C.D. than most real GG's that are too flighty. I'm a real femme tomboy I guess and get along with men generally better than I do women. Besides most C.D.'s know all the best places to get really cool platforms(which I love)...My current Boifriend is a C.D. and I figure if I can share a bathroom and mirror time with him at home why not any other C.D./T.V. in a public bathroom. If you honestly look at it...you are in there for usually one main purpose......to relieve yourself, not to galk at others.
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That that my thinking too.....
I can't really see where else a dressed CD could go, except to the ladies'- she would cause a bit of an uproar in the gents! And most of the time if she kept a low profile, don't think anyone else would bother much. I can see it might be different in a club with a load of drunk ladettes, but I don't frequent those places myself.
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Last year at HEF2006, I used the ladies room a few times. One time I had finished and was standing at the mirror re-applying my lipstick when I heard another tolet flush. Next thing I knew this GG was standing beside me, looking at herself in the mirror. She was defienctly a GG, since she had a very low cut dress on. She commented me on my heels and then left. I know she was not a sister, since I did not see her at any of the functions and there was a sign on the door, which said that Tri_Ess members were allowed to use the restroom. If she was a guest, I had to assume that she knew that a CD convention was going on, since we had a big sign and banner in the lobby.
Then one evening after a Tri-Ess meeting a few of us went to the local IHOP and before leaving, some of us used the ladies room. Again nothing was said about or to us while we were in there. We did our businness and left.
As long as you don't draw any attention to yourself and get in and get out, you will normally will not have a problem.
Some really good answers here. Thank you all for your input.
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I'm not ready for the day when I have to go. So I don't drink anything, the whole day before I go out for an evening. I just don't think I'd be prepared to go a few rounds (in heels), with some GG's guy who felt he had to defend her honer.
When in FEM I do as the females do whether it be the Ladies Bathroom or the Ladies Fitting Rooms. So far I have not had an issue. I have even stood in line in both occasions until I was free to go in and still had no issues.
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