Transgender! Here did it get there?

[Felixi]

I really want to know why.....

Transgender is lumped in to "Gay Lesbian & Bi" .

Transgender is not a sexuality, it is just in between "Male & Female".

As a male you have 4 types of sexuality:

• Straight
• Bi
• Gay
• A-Sexual

As a Female you have 4 types of sexuality:

• Straight
• Bi
• Lesbian
• A-Sexual

But as a Transgender you have 5 types of sexuality:

• Straight
• Bi
• Gay
• Lesbian
• A-Sexual

So in the list how does the Transgender fit in the sexual titles?

Why did it get there anyhow?

Maybe I will just call myself a TryGender {I tried one gender now I will try the other}. Thats me Ranae!

RC
{With the inquiring mind}

As a straight, non-CDing male (I'm reading posts in here to better understand my friend who we (3 of us) accidentally discovered his secret life of CDing) I'm not sure of the section lised as: Some clarification would be appreciated.


But as a Transgender you have 5 types of sexuality:

• Straight
• Bi
• Gay
• Lesbian
• A-Sexual

If the person is a MTF CDer and is Gay, does it mean he/she loves men? Or is this true when only in drag? When he is in drab does he still love men?

Would a CDer who loves women while in drag and drab be listed as a Lesbian? Or is this true only when dressed as female?

Is it possible (realistic or actually exist) for someone to love females while dressed as a woman and then when in males clothing, only loving men? How would they be classified using the terms given on the list?

Just trying to grasp some things foreign to me, not trying to be insensitive or insulting.

[Ranae]

I believe it is who or which they feel inside their mind at the time. So If the tg is in female mode and feels she is female within her mind, then she would feel she is les if with a woman and stright if with a man . But if her inner feelings are not strong as a woman and she feels she is still part a man, then she would be stright with a female and gay/bi with a man.



Just my way of looking at it.

[btmgrl6]

You said a mouthful.There are always those who will believe what they believe..who cares? Why waste our time trying to convince people otherwise?
I am a crossdresser,but I am not gay,bi or les.???
I feel like I am a pretty normal person,and for me a person's sexuality is no concern of mine. I don't care. Do you care about someone else's preference?
I have to giggle when I see a guy in a dress complain about not being accepted by so called society,then turning around and writing a full page disclaimer explaining how he may be a crossdresser,but Hell no I am not gay!
WTF?.........Who really cares? Do you think the average person out there really gives a rat's behind about your sexual preference? I don't

Steph

[Fab Karen]

Quote:
"When they came for the communists, I was silent, because I was not a communist; When they came for the socialists, I was silent, because I was not a socialist; When they came for the trade unionists, I did not protest, because I was not a trade unionist; When they came for the Jews, I did not protest, because I was not a Jew; When they came for me, there was no one left to protest on my behalf."
Think about it.

[btmgrl6]

Who's coming for who?

[battybattybats]

Any crime against civil rights effects us all. any crime against humanity diminishes all mankind. Too often people want to fight for their own rights but don't care about those of others similarly afflicted.

Besides, wasn't the Stonewall riot started by a man in womens clothes resisting the police? Drag Queen or gay CD, does it matter? It was still a man in womens clothes. Someone who chose to fight for what they thought was right.

Why are we lumped in with LG and B? Because that is where all human beings belong. It should be added to, not subtracted from. Add W for womens rights in general. Add Bl for black, H for hispanic, F for fathers who face discrimination in courts... inequality discrimination and bigotry should be opposed at every turn and I'll proudly stand by the side of anyone who fights against them, whichever group they belong to.

[Marla S]

Any crime against civil rights effects us all. any crime against humanity diminishes all mankind. Too often people want to fight for their own rights but don't care about those of others similarly afflicted.

Besides, wasn't the Stonewall riot started by a man in womens clothes resisting the police? Drag Queen or gay CD, does it matter? It was still a man in womens clothes. Someone who chose to fight for what they thought was right.

Why are we lumped in with LG and B? Because that is where all human beings belong. It should be added to, not subtracted from. Add W for womens rights in general. Add Bl for black, H for hispanic, F for fathers who face discrimination in courts... inequality discrimination and bigotry should be opposed at every turn and I'll proudly stand by the side of anyone who fights against them, whichever group they belong to.

First off, opposing to inequality discrimination and bigotry is a matter or course. We don't have to dispute about that.
But it is not my point here.

Let's see it from the other side. LGs achieved considerable progress. The are politicians, have TV shows, present the Academy Award, are actors, and at least here in G are fairly open in any field of society and business. That's the LGB part.

Now where is the T part of this movement and progress?
Do we wait for others (i.e. LGBs) to do the job for us ?
Did they forget us ?
Are we not enough ?
Are we not taken seriously ?
Don't we have an own profile ?

Why is it different ?

A final note: If I get odd comments, or reactions by the normal folks I just wished to get them for what I am and not for what I am not. Is this too much ?

[battybattybats]

Now where is the T part of this movement and progress?
Do we wait for others (i.e. LGBs) to do the job for us ?
Did they forget us ?
Are we not enough ?
Are we not taken seriously ?
Don't we have an own profile ?

Why is it different ?

All very good questions.

I'll add another one.
If the price of general acceptance was for most people who 'read' you dressed to think you were gay until they knew you better would it be worth paying?

I'd say yes but I'd be interested in the thoughts and reasons of others.

LGs achieved considerable progress. The are politicians...

There have been TS politicians in some countries. There was one in New Zealand IIRC some years ago.

[Marla S]

I'll add another one.
If the price of general acceptance was for most people who 'read' you dressed to think you were gay until they knew you better would it be worth paying?

I'd say yes but I'd be interested in the thoughts and reasons of others.

Tough one. Tendency towards no.
No, because it touches the question of identity.
To pay that price means to corrupt the identity.
I didn't choose to be CD, nor did I choose to be heterosexual ... I am not able to help it, but I am a het CD ... sorry.

The next question could be: If the price for general acceptance for people who now you dress would be to stay in the closet, would it be worth paying ? NOOOO !!! that's where I came from.
Not that I wouldn't eventually want to pay that price sometimes, I can't.

[Tamera]

I just get tired of the first question from someone when thy find out someone is TG they say, "Oh Your gay?" or "I thought you was married, Does she know your gay" or "How long have you known you were gay"......

[SIZE="4"]This is because the lack of knowledge people have.[/SIZE]


Talk to your legislators about protections? We have laws that protect us as people, We as a group just need to learn how to use them for ourselves. Yes, there maybe times where a law needs a bit of tweaking but for the most part we have laws that we can use for almost every case we encounter.

[SIZE="4"]I believe the statement that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL ENCOMPESSES THIS[/SIZE]

Just like in Ohio. They are pushing for a Transgender Housing Discrimination Law. Why, The gender discrimination law on the books already cover us. This was proven a couple years back with a case in Columbus for a OSU student off campus. So why the effort and $ spent for a law that is already there. Use the time and effort for education or enforcing the existing laws.

It's just like I hear "We need a new Hate Crime Bill". Come on we have the hate crime laws already so why push for more of the same laws but with different names on it. I don't thank any of us are wanting "Special Treatment" at least I don't I just want treated like a human. Let's focus our attention on making them enforce the laws already there. It does no one any good to get laws the double over each other, passed if we are not going to make them enforce them.

For instance, Murder. To me Murder is Murder. Does it really matter how it is titled? No. If it is a "Hate Crime" murder they will get the same prison time as if it was a "Plain" murder. So why a new bill just to title it as a hate crime. Couldn't we have just as well put our time and effort and funding in to having the states murder bill set to "LIFE ONLY" instead of 15-25 years. Make them know if you are going to muder some one no matter if they are old, young, male,Trans, Female, or no matter what their sexual orientation is they will get life. Why should muder be different on the time spent in prision because of someones sexual orientation than if they was just old or a loving husband or child?

[SIZE="4"]This is what the lawyers have done to this world.[/SIZE]

[B]So yes they dance talk and joke around with us. But these same "boys" if seen at any of the other clubs are just like they was at the beginning. So, that proves to me that they are just putting up with us at this one place and not really accepting us.[/B

[SIZE="4"]Are you sure it is Acceptance and not Pier Pressure. What you do in one place in the presence of others may not be what you will do at another place. This is the same situation when we were going through school.[/SIZE]

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So YES, I am all for educating the general public and getting our indepenance from the GBL as for the Transgender as a gender not a sexual orientation.

[SIZE="4"]I think once this snowball is started the TS, CD, etc. communities are going to wonder where do they fit in?[/SIZE]
[SIZE="4"]Now I see why no doctors have taken their time to study us. So many variables that lead to other variables. You know instead of spending money on all these bills to pass, maybe our government should use that money to study us.

Hugs,
Tamera[/SIZE]

[Sheri 4242]

For instance, Murder. To me Murder is Murder. Does it really matter how it is titled? No. If it is a "Hate Crime" murder they will get the same prison time as if it was a "Plain" murder. So why a new bill just to title it as a hate crime. Couldn't we have just as well put our time and effort and funding in to having the states murder bill set to "LIFE ONLY" instead of 15-25 years. Make them know if you are going to muder some one no matter if they are old, young, male,Trans, Female, or no matter what their sexual orientation is they will get life. Why should muder be different on the time spent in prision because of someones sexual orientation than if they was just old or a loving husband or child?

Yeah, it matters b/c of several factors. To understand the law on murder, you have to look at "motive." When new laws are enacted, like "hate crime" legislation, it is to fill a hole or gap that has been discovered. You can say, "murder is murder," but that doesn't cover that which is requisite to treat such crimes with equal due process -- it is too simplistic a view. "Hate crime" legislation came of age to ensure that the essential elements of malice were covered in prosecution -- IOW, there were some loopholes that needed filling. It wouldn't have been added unless there was a need, b/c to do so (to add it without need) would have made prosecution more difficult!

Every state's murder statutes go by different names, and certain elements vary. State and federal "hate crime" statutes and laws, respectively, close down these variances and is, therefore, a necessary tool.

Essentially, the elements of malice murder have traditionally been looked at as whether or not there was premeditation. Some defense lawyers were arguing that a hate-motivated murder didn't rise to that standard -- therefore, clearly malice killings were being argued down to second degree, or even voluntary manslaughter. What is most often known as second degree murder lacks premeditation -- and "passion of the moment" can be utilized for mitigation purposes in verdict and/or sentencing. It was a necessary move by our lawmakers to make certain that a lesser sentence didn't arise out of a good defense that sold mitigation within the bounds of technicality!

[christianna]

Yeah, it matters b/c of several factors. To understand the law on murder, you have to look at "motive." When new laws are enacted, like "hate crime" legislation, it is to fill a hole or gap that has been discovered. You can say, "murder is murder," but that doesn't cover that which is requisite to treat such crimes with equal due process -- it is too simplistic a view. "Hate crime" legislation came of age to ensure that the essential elements of malice were covered in prosecution -- IOW, there were some loopholes that needed filling. It wouldn't have been added unless there was a need, b/c to do so (to add it without need) would have made prosecution more difficult!

Every state's murder statutes go by different names, and certain elements vary. State and federal "hate crime" statutes and laws, respectively, close down these variances and is, therefore, a necessary tool.

Essentially, the elements of malice murder have traditionally been looked at as whether or not there was premeditation. Some defense lawyers were arguing that a hate-motivated murder didn't rise to that standard -- therefore, clearly malice killings were being argued down to second degree, or even voluntary manslaughter. What is most often known as second degree murder lacks premeditation -- and "passion of the moment" can be utilized for mitigation purposes in verdict and/or sentencing. It was a necessary move by our lawmakers to make certain that a lesser sentence didn't arise out of a good defense that sold mitigation within the bounds of technicality!

Thank you for that informed response. I wish I had come up with it.

Christianna