Are we naive about the signals we send

[Beth-Lock]

The question has come up about what we, as CD's, are looking for in posting our pictures, dressed, en femme. We of course when we go out dressed, are also seen, at least in some contexts, as looking for something. We are trying, with our appearance, to symbolize the feminine gender. And I emphasize as the relevant term, symbol. We are looking for reassurance that in some way, the symbolic femininity that we assume is relevant to our inner nature. Not necessarily anything more, it would seem to me.
But this is often taken as a sign of something we do not mean. There is a difference between a symbol and a sign. (The term sex symbol would appear to be a confusion of this difference, a or at least a running together of the two meanings.)
For some, the sign of feminine attire is a call to action, a hot button, and means we are looking for something, something perhaps sexual. A lot of cheap and trashy tv programs have created the expectation that cd'ing is a an advertisement for sex, and these programs, and even high class documentaries seem to imply that CD'ing is associated with prositution, or at least cruising.
Women, (GG's), on the other hand, have had many experiences growing up, which have warned them of what sort of a signal the appearance of feminine gender, the symbol, has meant to some men. They have become cautious about strange men, and ambiguous situations. They are not as trusting,
Does this mean we are naive in our apparently more trusting behaviour?

[tamarav]

[SIZE=4]I do indeed send out signals when I go out. My goal is to represent my interpretation of what I find attractive feminine-wise. I dress for myself, not for men or other women. If I happen to spark an attraction from men or women then I know that I have done a good job of presenting my desired role.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=4]We are mostly seeking acceptance as women, and in many cases a personal interpretation of what a woman should look and act like can be interpretted totally differently. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Prolonged dressing seems to lead to an acceptance of the appearance as a norm and the "thrill" may appear to be reducing, but the inner satisfaction that cannot be seen drives most of us. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=4]I have also given up trying to make sense out of this lifestyle, I just go with it and hit it with everything I have![/SIZE]
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[Karren H]

Well nothings as it appears any more... And the only signal I try to send is "what a well dressed, cute person"... Though It may not come off that way.. My wife says I'm the queen of mixed signals ... Dahhhhh...

[TGMarla]

I agree. I am most definitely NOT seeking sex with men when I dress, but instead seek to reach an inner satisfaction with an outward appearance. If my appearance, remote as the possiblity may seem to me, causes a sexual desire in a man at any time, that's fine. It doesn't mean I'm advertising for it. I see many women on a daily basis that awaken some level of sexual desire in me. It never means that I'm actually going to have sex with them. If my appearance pleases a man, then I've accomplished the task of successfully appearing as an atrractive woman. I'm flattered, but I'm not ever going to act out any kind of sexual liason with a man as a result. I advertise for sex no more than any woman does when she makes herself pretty. And while women may, at times, be trying to appear sexually attractive to a man, I'm only trying to please myself and others who appreciate the effort, not a potential sexual suitor.

Oh, and another thing. I post my pictures here in order to display my feminine image to a receptive audience who appreciates crossdressing for what it is, and who knows the effort that goes into it. Nothing more.

[Kayla Shadows]

I always hear about the questions or "answers" to our actions.That we do this for this or that reason and were "all the same".Its a given that what we do will attract attention in some form.Some want it and some dont.The expession of my inner self is my creation and my way of being me.People need to open their minds and think for themselves instead of takeing what they see or read as the absolute truth of the whole picture.We are not all the same and sometimes the reason is just being yourself.Posting pictures and things can be nothing more than saying,here I am.I exist to those who cant see me and this is who I am.Not to attract men or whatever other reason they can come up with.

[Nicole Erin]

We are men, we know what men like. We know what signals we are sending based on how we dress.
If it is someone like me who normally wears long skirt and my tops don't reveal anything[as I have well built masculine shoulders, arms, chest] then probably very few men are going to look and think "I wouldn't mind hitting that!"
And I know this cause I am male

On the other hand, if it is a CD who dresses like a hoochie mamma in a mini and slinky top, she has got to know men are going to want to "hit that". And that might be her intention, to turn men on with her dressing..

Us CDs are not naive about what is sexy and what is neutral.

[AnnMorgan]

The question has come up about what we, as CD's, are looking for in posting our pictures, dressed, en femme. We of course when we go out dressed, are also seen, at least in some contexts, as looking for something. We are trying, with our appearance, to symbolize the feminine gender. And I emphasize as the relevant term, symbol. We are looking for reassurance that in some way, the symbolic femininity that we assume is relevant to our inner nature. Not necessarily anything more, it would seem to me.
But this is often taken as a sign of something we do not mean. There is a difference between a symbol and a sign. (The term sex symbol would appear to be a confusion of this difference, a or at least a running together of the two meanings.)
For some, the sign of feminine attire is a call to action, a hot button, and means we are looking for something, something perhaps sexual. A lot of cheap and trashy tv programs have created the expectation that cd'ing is a an advertisement for sex, and these programs, and even high class documentaries seem to imply that CD'ing is associated with prositution, or at least cruising.
Women, (GG's), on the other hand, have had many experiences growing up, which have warned them of what sort of a signal the appearance of feminine gender, the symbol, has meant to some men. They have become cautious about strange men, and ambiguous situations. They are not as trusting,
Does this mean we are naive in our apparently more trusting behaviour?

Whoa! great question Beth-Lock. I'd have to say yes we do even if we don't know it at the time. I dress to please me in attire that I(as a Man) find sexually attractive. It's no wonder that other Men would think along these same lines. Let's face it, there are few Wives that would go out in public with FMP's, short skirts and big hair! Well I've seen some but it's rare.

[Sherry-Stephanie]

Three things I'm getting from the original post...

#1...when we dress we seek validation of our appearence being female thus we are female....

#2- how we dress.....some dress sexy/trashy...

Some dress our age or in some cases matronly manner...either by being Older" or perhaps dressing like our mothers dressed at he same age...

Some dress (I'm one) as I see other women dress that I find most appealing....

others simply dress for whatever reason style or what is availalble to put on....

Finally there are those of you out there that can pull it all together and have style, (chic) grace (classy female) "appearence and passability"....and the rest of us can only "wish"....

Then there's all of the above and none of the above....

Me I do it because I am bring out my female side of self and try to take on the appearence that Steph likes to look....nothign more and nothing less....

[Sarah...]

Posting pictures and things can be nothing more than saying,here I am.I exist to those who cant see me and this is who I am.

Yes! My sentiments exactly. After so long not being able to do so (I've only myself to blame) to post things on the site (no pictures yet) is simply for the reason quoted above.

Here I am and I'm the one telling you who I am.

Sarah...

[Nicki B]

Us CDs are not naive about what is sexy and what is neutral.

You reckon?

IME, yes, VERY frequently. Many CDs are used to thinking like men, not like women - they've not really been viewed as 'prey' before. Reality tends to kick in after a while, and they learn..

[Fab Karen]

[SIZE=4]I do indeed send out signals when I go out. My goal is to represent my interpretation of what I find attractive feminine-wise. I dress for myself, not for men or other women. If I happen to spark an attraction from men or women then I know that I have done a good job of presenting my desired role.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=4]We are mostly seeking acceptance as women, and in many cases a personal interpretation of what a woman should look and act like can be interpretted totally differently. [/SIZE]

Right on.

[JennyS.]

Here is something that might be interesting... I "joined" an online group at 'meetups.com'. I posted that I was a CD'er looking to meet others like me. All of the responses I got were men trying to "be with me". You should see some of the emails! Although I'm very flattered, why is it because I dress like a woman do I actually want to be a woman? Don't get me wrong... For those of you that do! But, I don't. Sometimes I like being a man, sometimes I like acting like a woman. But, it seems that the first thought of many men (at least the ones I've encountered on the net) is that I want sex with someone. I don't dress because of sex in it's physical nature. I think I dress because I love women and I love them so much that I sometimes like to look like one. Is that bad? Crossdressing doesn't mean "I want to screw someone".

Carry on.

[Empress Lainie]

[SIZE=4]A good question posed here, and will contribute my personal answer, which may be far different from others and especially the male crossdressers who I must admit I don't fully understand but love them anyway.

I am myself my person first and foremost female, I don't think I have ever thought like a man in my life. I always knew I was different somehow from other men.

So in my appearance, I seek to be just another woman, and in that I seem to succeed very well. I have the Classy look, the Casual look, I go both as redhead (my natural color) and blonde(wanted to see if blondes really do have more fun or if it just makes me dumber!) and have been able to go into mixed pools with my bikini top and bottom (panties underneath to hold my parts up on my pubes.

The gratification I get from being called beautiful, sexy, gorgeous, pretty knows no bounds, I am so happy I could fly.
I know I get more compliments from strangers, men and women than any of my wives did. (WARNING A VAIN STATEMENT COMING) and yes, I AM prettier than them.

So I guess I send out signals - (Hey I am here, look at me),
or - Here I am just another woman.

I love the way guys treat me, and the women's secret smiles to each other.

Funny thing to me is that I seem to be more attractive and approachable braless and in a tanktop than in my gorgeous outfits with my 44D bras. Not understanding that in the least.

I think I avoid the "Hey I want sex" look and actions, since I am usually with my girlfriend, Cynthia.

We are always accepted everywhere as two women, but before she got her camisole and breast forms she was called Sir a lot since she is nearly flat chested. That hasn't happened since then.

I am also very aware of the men checking me out (Don't I love it!)

Lainie
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[Emily Anderson]

No, I'm not naive at all. For that very reason I don't want to attract undue attention, and a) don't go out in public, and b) if I did go out I'd make sure I wasn't dressed in a way such as to cause men to chase me.

[Nicki B]

Although I'm very flattered, why is it because I dress like a woman do I actually want to be a woman? Don't get me wrong... For those of you that do! But, I don't. Sometimes I like being a man, sometimes I like acting like a woman.

Why would you expect that, if you try to appear like a woman, people wouldn't try to treat you like one?

Now, sadly, you can empathise more with what womankind has to put up with.

[JennyS.]

Why would you expect that, if you try to appear like a woman, people wouldn't try to treat you like one?

Now, sadly, you can empathise more with what womankind has to put up with.

Okay... I understand what you are saying. But, what I was trying to say is that "why is that when I dress as a woman, some men think I want to have sex with them"? That is not why I do this. Even when I explain to them in email form that I don't want to be with a man... They still send me dirty pictures? I don't want my hobby to be naughty. Understand?

[TommiTN]

Jenny, your hobby isn't naughty; the men who hit on you are. It is an unfortunate fact of life for us. They are conditioned to see us as sex objects, just as they see GGs. You're doing the right thing by ignoring them or telling them off if they persist.

[victoriamwilliams1]

For me the answer it no.

Being that I grew up around allot of women I do know what not to do. When I am dressed I not only do I try my best to look as presentable as a woman, I also understand that once I step out my home I put on every concern that most women have. Now this is only my view and I do try to follow the same rules as any woman and once I figured out that you do not see to many women dressed to the nines at 4 am at the store on an early Saturday or Sunday morning I stopped going out during the late night and started conducting my business during the day.

Interaction with men while dressed has not been a problem and I have been asked about my "Husband" several times! And I do not even try to gain the attention of men and or women.

[Kate Simmons]

We cannot help sending out "signals" especially if we look good en femme. It is good to question our own motives though. Most of us say we are heterosexual and want nothing to do with men or attracting them. It does come with the turf however and whether we are interested or not, we need to be prepared to deal with that. Sometimes, we enjoy the attention in spite of ourselves but that is just the nature of the "beast". My advice is just to enjoy being ourselves, feelings and intentions notwithstanding. It's all about experiencing the feelings in any case.

[Sally24]

what I was trying to say is that "why is that when I dress as a woman, some men think I want to have sex with them"?

Being the father of a daughter who sometimes tries to meet nice guys thru various sites I can tell you that this is exactly how a genetic woman is treated. I would say that over half her responses end up like yours. Even the ones she ends up talking to on the phone have started out seeming normal. Then the next thing she knows they don't understand why she doesn't want to have phone sex on the 2nd phone call! It's not you, it's them. Unfortunetly, many young guys are pigs and many of them don't learn any better as they age.

[Nicki B]

Being the father of a daughter who sometimes tries to meet nice guys thru various sites I can tell you that this is exactly how a genetic woman is treated.

That's precisely what I was trying to say..

[Beth-Lock]

What this means to me, is partly, that strangers are more likely to act like jerks than people you know better, and I guess on the Internet, a lot of the strangers could not be more strange.
It is back to the old problem, 'Where do you meet nice people?' and giving off sexy signals in a public area, tends to increase the jerk percentage, dramatically. I guess GG's already knew that. Maybe we are naive, if that is not what we are looking for, and who is looking for a jerk anyway?

[battybattybats]

The acceptance of the 'signals' argument is sexist. It perpetuates and enshrines the vicitimisation of women, the second-class status of women.

It's a common excuse for rape. It's allowing women's self expression to be curtailed by imposition of unjustifiable consequence upon it.

It is the slippery slope that leads to the burka (don't blame islam for the burka by the way, it's existed in many cultures and Islam borrowed it from other cultures including christian ones!).

I mean this quite seriously. Everyone needs to take a look at feminism for a moment. There are a lot of places where it is vital for CDs to consider (just skip over the 2nd wave transphobic feminists).

If we allow ourselves to curtail our expression, if we support/encourage women doing so, then we are contributing to the reprression and oppression of women.

When an Australian muslim cleric referred to women wearing quite common clothing as 'uncovered meat' and that if you leave 'uncovered meat' out and some cats eat it you cannot blame the cats. He was referring to a series of gang rapes of women by youths from the Australian muslim community.

Now I know good muslims equally outraged by those statements.

The point is that we cannot, must not, allow what someone is wearing to be construed as an excuse for assault or considered an advertisement for sex.

This 'signals' nonsense needs to be stamped out amongst men and women.

It's a false notion. People wear miniskirts for a variety of reasons, not just advertising sex. Peiople wearing 'sexy' clothes are still not 'asking for it'.

People dress sexilly for a lot of reasons.

People are attacked for a lot too. Almost never does what someone is wearing have anything to do with that. Society needs to start maturing and dropping it's false illusions and it's excuses.

If we don't we'll end up in mao-suits or burkas!

[Sheri 4242]

Well nothings as it appears any more... And the only signal I try to send is "what a well dressed, cute person"... Though It may not come off that way.. My wife says I'm the queen of mixed signals ... Dahhhhh...

That surely sums it all up, Karren!

we do this for this or that reason and were "all the same".Its a given that what we do will attract attention in some form.Some want it and some dont.The expession of my inner self is my creation and my way of being me.

And it is those who choose to decide that our creation isn't what they want it to be that create hostile situations! Or . . .

We cannot help sending out "signals" especially if we look good en femme. It is good to question our own motives though. Most of us say we are heterosexual and want nothing to do with men or attracting them. It does come with the turf however and whether we are interested or not, we need to be prepared to deal with that. Sometimes, we enjoy the attention in spite of ourselves but that is just the nature of the "beast". My advice is just to enjoy being ourselves, feelings and intentions notwithstanding. It's all about experiencing the feelings in any case.

Being the father of a daughter who sometimes tries to meet nice guys thru various sites I can tell you that this is exactly how a genetic woman is treated. I would say that over half her responses end up like yours. Even the ones she ends up talking to on the phone have started out seeming normal. Then the next thing she knows they don't understand why she doesn't want to have phone sex on the 2nd phone call! It's not you, it's them. Unfortunetly, many young guys are pigs and many of them don't learn any better as they age.

As a father of three young ladies all in their 20's, I have to agree with your assessment!

The acceptance of the 'signals' argument is sexist. It perpetuates and enshrines the vicitimisation of women, the second-class status of women.

It's a common excuse for rape. It's allowing women's self expression to be curtailed by imposition of unjustifiable consequence upon it.

[Margot]

I dress for myself alone just to feel comfortable in my skin. I too have always felt different. I love feminine clothes and routines it takes to keep looking feminine. I often wear light makeup and lipstick when I'm out and wear androgynous clothing unless I'm home where I gravitate to full femme clothing appropriate for my age.

Margot