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    Some thoughts on acceptance

    Hello! I am new to this forum. My husband, Angel, posts here also. In another thread, Stephanie (womanatheart) asked me some questions that I thought would be better answered in a new thread. It’s nice to have an opportunity to talk about my feelings and experiences with my husband’s crossdressing in such an accepting environment.

    Was it hard accepting Angel as a CDer?
    Angel and I met online 4 years ago and have been blissfully married for 2 ½ years now. I knew about his crossdressing from the very beginning, since we met through a CD forum. However, before meeting Angel I was in a long-term relationship with someone else who was also a crossdresser….and in that previous relationship I did have to deal with all the issues that arise for a wife or SO when she first finds out about her partner’s crossdressing. Perhaps that experience is more relevant here. Thinking back to my relationship with my ex, I would say that acceptance wasn’t hard, but it didn’t come instantly, either. At that time, like many SO’s I was completely clueless about crossdressing. It was not something I had ever thought about, and I associated it with drag queens and mental illness (movies like Psycho, Dressed to Kill, Silence of the Lambs, and so on). So when my ex told me about it, it was a total shock and it made me very uncomfortable to begin with. The problem I think was that my ex did not know very much about crossdressing himself and had a lot of shame and guilt about it. When he did reveal his “secret” to me, he did it in the most abrupt and confusing way possible, and he did not make any attempt to educate me about it or help me see that it was not a threat. Well, I am a very open-minded person and although I did not understand, my first impulse was to WANT to understand. So I went to the internet for answers. Big mistake! Never let your SO do this without giving her some safe, helpful sites to visit! Otherwise, she might do what I did. I went to Google and typed in “transvestite” (the only word for it that I knew at the time), and what I saw made me even more worried. I found lots of kinky porn, she-males, TVs trying to hook up with other TVs for sex, forums with lewd messages, fantasy stories that I found totally bizarre…..you get the picture. I was persistent though, and eventually I found some real answers and was reassured that crossdressing is very common in heterosexual men, is not an illness or a perversion, and does not necessarily lead to wanting a sex change. I started to see that so many of the qualities I appreciated in my ex were directly related to his feminine nature. At first he looked really odd to me dressed in women’s clothing, but after seeing it enough I eventually became comfortable with it. The passage of time can work wonders, providing an SO has the desire to be accepting in the first place. That relationship ended for reasons unrelated to my ex’s crossdressing, but meanwhile I had been participating in CD forums, trying to learn as much as I could, and that was how I met Angel, when he emailed me one day out of the blue. It was a match made in heaven.

    Are there times it is hard to accept?
    Honestly, no. I do have some limits, which Angel always respects. For example, he understands that I really would not like it if he tried to grow real breasts (forms are fine with me of course). And I don’t feel ready to go out in public with him completely en femme at this time, so he does not push me to do that. If I felt as though I had to constantly defend my boundaries so to speak, I can see where it might be exhausting and acceptance would be harder. UPDATE: six weeks after I wrote this, Angel and I had our first en femme outing together. I am so glad we waited until I was ready!

    Are there times when you wish Angel were not a CDer?
    Absolutely not! It is too much a part of him…I can’t imagine removing it. I never feel that it’s a burden or an inconvenience. Again I imagine that’s largely due to him being very sensitive to my needs, just as I try to be sensitive to his.

    What are the parts you enjoy? Is there a benefit to you?
    I really enjoy seeing Angel in feminine things, because I find him adorable . I love buying him things like bras and panties and cardigans, because it’s fun to shop for him and because he always gets so excited when I give him a present. I really value the closeness that we feel from sharing at such a deep and intimate level. Most of all, I truly appreciate the gentle, caring, and sensitive nature that Angel has, and I think that dressing helps him show it more. In fact I often refer to it as “displaying on the outside what you are on the inside.” I know so many women who are stuck in terrible relationships with husbands who don’t understand them, who don’t communicate, who are misogynists at heart, who insist on being the “man of the house,” and who even abuse them, and I know how lucky I am to be with someone who treats me the way Angel does. I can’t tell you how wonderful it is to have a partner who respects and loves women in general and me in particular.

    Why do you think most SO's of CD'ers don't accept CDing?
    I think they are afraid…afraid of losing the man they fell in love with and having him replaced with a girlfriend; afraid people will find out and reject both of you; afraid the crossdressing will progress and end in SRS; afraid their man will want to be with other men; afraid that they will be expected to accept and enjoy things they are not ready for.

    Is there something we can do to make our SO's be not fearful of this part of our lives? Is it a question of balance between fem and masculine?
    This is such an individual question. In my opinion, the most supportive things you can do are (1) make a sincere effort to help her become more educated about crossdressing. How we feel about things directly depends on what we know, or think we know, about them. (2) reassure her in every way you can that your crossdressing is not a threat to the relationship and the life you’ve built together. (3) If you can do it—and I know it’s hard—LET HER BE IN CONTROL of how and when your crossdressing is integrated into your lives. Never push her to accept more than she is ready for. I think almost any woman’s level of acceptance can be improved with time and allowing her to be comfortable with each step before moving on to the next one. Keep the channels of communication open. As to your question about balance between feminine and masculine, I think you have a point. Most SOs are not lesbian or bisexual (I’m not, either) and they will have a very hard time staying attracted to you if they no longer see you as a man. For myself, I have never liked manly men and I am attracted to the feminized aspects of Angel’s appearance—hair-free body, slender build, soft voice, and so on. If your SO prefers you to be more masculine, then in order to avoid alienating her you are going to have to be patient and try to find the balance that you spoke of. Her preferences may change with time as she gets more used to seeing your feminine side. You know how they say that you may have to try a new food at least ten times before you start to develop a taste for it? Well, I think the same principle applies here. Long ago, when I first saw my ex in a bra, it disturbed me. After a few times, it still looked odd, but not disturbing. Eventually it began to seem normal. Now, with my darling Angel, I actually find it attractive. It’s all a matter of what you’re familiar with.

    Thanks for listening! Any other GGs want to add their comments?

    Marla
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    Last edited by Marla GG; 07-26-2005 at 11:22 AM.

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    Marla,

    Thanks for your candid, frank, and thoughtful responses to the questions posed to you. As a CDer, I appreciate the insight GG's bring to the table. You and Angel are lucky to have one another. Rock on, girl!
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    Don't be a stranger - the both of you (you and Angel) bring so much here.

    I was particularly touched to hear your ex was a CD and that's how you met Angel. Interesting. Got a sister half as cute as you?

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    thank you for sharing. well done.
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    Marla,
    That was a fantastic post! I think that gives many of us some very good things to think about. Thank you!
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    WOW Marla, This posting of Yours should be made-Permanent- here! It realy gave Me back some hope- Thank You! ps: Might You happen to have,say,,, a "single" twin sister , or concidered the new advances in "cloneing" ??--hehe ,Your new Admirer ,"K" xox - oh and now I understand the term-"Blessed Angel's" hmmm

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    Thanks

    Marla and Angel,
    Thank you for the answers, understanding, honesty and hope.
    There is strength in your candor, openness, acceptance and love.
    Your strength makes you as beautiful inside as you are outside.
    Lots of Love
    Stephanie

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    A very positive post indeed. I can only hope to end up with a wife half as understanding as you.
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    Thank you for the frank, honest, and perfect replies, Marla. I have been fortunate to have been involved with two GG's who were both as accepting as you are, but I know how rare it is. You are a very special woman.
    I look forward to reading much more from you!
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    Good read,wish I could find myself a lady like that here in rainy Seattle.
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    Thanks for your post Marla. I particularly appreciate input from GG’s. It was kind of you to take the time to write this. I think you are giving us great advice. Like Angle, I’m fortunate to have a wonderful and accepting wife, she has much the same boundaries as you and I am very grateful for that.

    I believe concern for the feelings of others is a trait that lies largely on the feminine side of the spectrum. This is a part of femininity that I aspire to emulate. Your comments remind me to stay in tune with my wife’s perspective and sensitive to her feeling, she deserves nothing less. Thanks.
    Warm Regards,
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    Brilliant

    Marla,

    Your posting is astounding. It is a breath of fresh air in a world of non-acceptance. Thanks for such a wonderful post.

    Hugs
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    Marla,
    That was a wonderful post.It's a great feeling to have a wife that understands,I'm one of the lucky ones.Thanks for a great Thread. :Power:
    Love and Hugs,
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    I'm not sure if I should be posting in this thread or not but I do know this:

    I know our life together is a beautiful thing and I know that neither of us would want to change anything. Being with you is more than I could ever of wished for in my life. I know just how lucky I am to have such a supportive SO and I intend never to take you for granted....ever!

    Love Angel

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    Awwwwwwww... I think I'm gonna cry. Too sweet!
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    Smile acceptance

    Great post.Thanks for sharing.

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    I think that I am joining Holly - it makes me cry. It comes back to the old saying: true love, compassion and understanding conquers every hurdle.
    Thank you sooo much for both of your input - you will give strenght to many people in our Forum.
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    I can only wish that everyone (even if they aren't a crossdressing couple) could find a relationship like yours! I am in awe of both of you. I now have 2 new heroes in my life. Thanks for the post Marla and you are a very special lady indeed!

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    A thoughtful and frank post Marla, Thanks for sharing it with us
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    What a fantastic post Marla. I'm going to print that and save it for when I begin to make progress with my wife. I told her about my "hobby" over 10 years ago, and as she said she "didn't want to know" about it, I respected her wish and carried on in secret. I don't like the deceit, it's the only secret I have in my 35 year mariage, and I'd like to share everything with her.

    Since I joined this forum, I became motivated to try again with my wife by buying Helen Boyd's book "My Husband Betty", which I've read, marked many places where I think we should talk, and offered it to her to read. That was quite a while ago, and I don't think she's opened it, possibly because she's afraid of what she'll find; probably some or all of the fears you mentioned in your post. While I don't want to appear to be hounding her (that would be very counter-productive), I'll have to apply a little pressure or I don't think there will be any progress at all. Helen mentioned many of the things you did and it's great to get corroboration in this way.

    Once again, thanks for taking the trouble to write your fantastic post, I will always appreciate the GG's view, it's really great to have you all posting in this forum. Long may it continue!

    All the best to you and Angel (lucky b**ch),
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    Hi Tony....

    Tony,

    I really want to commend you for making a sincere effort to understand your wife's point of view. The fact that you have read My Husband Betty and are interested in discussing these issues speaks volumes about your love and respect for your wife, as does your statement that you are uncomfortable keeping secrets from her.

    I think you're correct in realizing that you will need to keep trying to initiate a discussion. On the one hand, you don't want to push or pressure your wife, but on the other hand you need to encourage some progress. Otherwise she may take your silence to mean that you've given up on the idea (which I'm afraid is exactly what she would like to happen). If it's been a while since you gave her the book, I would recommend taking the next step of requesting an "appointment" with her to talk about the feelings you both have at this point. Just ask her if she could set aside an hour or two when you can speak openly, without interruption. Make sure she understands that it is very important to you. At this first talk, you don't have to agree on anything--you just have to start a dialogue. If she wants to know what you need from her, tell her that the one thing you want more than anything else is to be able to share this part of you with the person you love most in the world--her. Tell her that it hurts you to have to keep it a secret, and that even if she doesn't approve of your desire to crossdress, you would still prefer that she knows about it. Somehow, she will have to let go of her "out of sight, out of mind" mentality before you can go any further. Then, if you sense that might be receptive to the idea, you could ask if it would be all right for you to wear a pair of panties and/or a bra sometimes. That might be a reasonable beginning. I wouldn't try to push her into seeing you fully en femme just yet.

    You know Tony, most wives really do want to make their husbands happy. It's programmed into us from an early age that we should nurture our partners, take care of them emotionally, heal their hurts, protect them from themselves, and above all, stand by them. A wife of 35 years who is unwilling to accept the fact of her husband's crossdressing is probably trying, whether consciously or subconsciously, to keep you and the marriage from perceived harm. What needs to happen now is for her to recognize that crossdressing is not a threat to either of you, and that in fact her lack of acceptance is causing damage to you and to the relationship. Once she begins to see things differently, her nurturing side will be your biggest ally, because she probably really does want what's best for you. Help her to understand that having the freedom to dress with her full approval would make you very happy indeed, and would only intensify the love, trust, and closeness that you already share.

    I hope for your both your sake and hers that you can come to an understanding. I have learned, along with many couples on this forum, that a marriage which happily includes and promotes the husband's crossdressing can be very gratifying for both spouses. It just takes some work to get there, sometimes. But from your post, it sounds like you are willing to do what is necessary. I wish you the best.
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    Marla,

    What you've written here is a wonderful thing for any SO's who have just found out about his dressing. It's a GG's perspective and it's completely open-minded. I think you've probably just done a huge favour to a lot of the girls on this site.

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    Marla,
    Once again, thanks for your words of encouragement, and the suggestions you've made, I've said it before, but it's antastic to have GGs on this forum; long may it continue.
    I hadn't thought that my wife may be trying to protect our marriage by remaining anti-CD, but she seems so positively anti that I'm not really expecting her to change that view, but I'll still try. If my approach doesn't work, than I'll remain in the closet for the rest of my life, because I put our love and relationship well before the pleasure and excitement I get from CDing. It's just that she'll never know how much happier and fulfilled I would be if we could share it, but that's no use to me if it continues to make her unhappy. Maybe we'll find a compromise where I will no longer have to be secretive, but I will dress only when she is not in the house. That could be a first step towards an acceptance that could grow over time.
    We're going on holiday next week, but I'm not going to bring the subject up while we're away, in case I end up spoiling the holiday atmosphere, I'll wait until we return and I'll let you all know how I get on. If it really works, you may see her posting on this forum; I hope!

    Once again, thanks very much for your helpful suggestions,

    Tony

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    Marla,
    Who's the "Angel" in your marriage? Why both of you, of course. Thank you so much for your insightful comments. I hope you don't mind but I saved your wonderful and genuine write-up as a word document and I plan to send it out to my married friends in the hopes that your input may bring about some relief for those less fortunate than Angel and myself. I wish I could see a full photo of you especially the wings. Sally2

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    Like so many others I too feel your thread was fantastic. I too think it might provide some hope for my wife and I

    Thank You!!

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