Well said Joni Mari, my thoughts exactlyOriginally Posted by Joni Marie Cruz
Well said Joni Mari, my thoughts exactly
oi totally agree with yer wens a quotation oi always have had:
be yourself not what or whom others wish you to be because everyone else is taken.
WTG tamara... upon reading the post far as oi know we dont live in a society where someone speaks for all of us isnt that called a dictatorship....lol... we dun want this no matter what we are in life, hell no.
something I wrote in another post:
we are people and part of the human race...ftms mtfs the lot,... it comes down to our "Choices" in life that make "us" happy who we are... I guess reading in the forum some are not so happy with the way things are, wouldnt it be nice if Society and those that we live with accept us for how and who we are, the "Exceptional" few that do accept things as they are,.. are those like myself take people as they find them.....
but we certainly dont speak for them.
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I couldn't agree more. And in my personal experience, the majority of TS's I've met are sweet respectful people, just as I respect them. I don't think you're the odd ones.
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From the original post and the ensuing diatribes, can someone recount exactly who was the CD who presumed to speak for all TS individuals and in what context?
Was their a discussion where some ne'er do well CD claimed to be an official spokesperson for the entire gender variant community to the exclusion of everyone else?
Please enlighten us here.
BTW may of us here are treated like Susan Boyle of the BGT show. From one appearnce then entire public makes a snap judgement about who and what we are, so yes even though I am a non op TG with strong TS feelings I am frequently denigrated simply for having the desires/needs that we do.
I have had very pleasant experiences as my alter ego however there have been as many that were not so memorable.
Hmmm . . . so what have we established with this thread? We have proven that this appears to be a VERY touchy subject for the vast majority of us. Over all it both irritates and depresses the hell outta me.
The people on this forum range from all extremes - from those that that put on a corset and stockings for sexual gratification only, to those that have been convinced their entire lives that their body does not suit them. One would think that the one thing we might all be expected to share, would be an attitude of understanding and tolerance for others that do not conform to the norm. You would think that after a little introspection, we would all be inclined to cut others a bit of slack, to at least try to tolerate and understand each other.
So, if we can't tolerate and respect each other here in our own forum, what hope do we have that others will tolerate or respect us?
Yepper, kind of bummed . . .
Vicky, doesn't look like there is any wiggle room at all. Unfortunately so long as we continue to divide ourselves into different groups and sub-groups,all of which may have very legit reasons for existing,no clear voice will ever be heard. Only the deafening silence of disinformation will resonate the air waves.
A solution would be to first bring all these groups together to work on a common agenda. Learn to speak with one voice. Everybody benefits when they work together.
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Kimberley this will always be a touchy subject, But ideally to have someone to run an airways programme on this subject, yes would be awesome...But, they would have to be understanding open minded and neutral to be able let everyone get their points/opinions across, to not necessarily control but to keep any heated inflamation in reply in a proper context, do you think there could be such a person, I cant answer that question either.
But for my years as an adult, also being a relatively new member of this forum, I do think common sense prevails, having such a place to come read everyones points and views, see the support, understanding different ones of you get whether you are CD,TS, mtf, ftm, has been a new learning curve to me no matter that I have transgendered friends, now in a relationship with one, I feel that there will always be people who are unhappy no matter what they are or do...
Also does not give any one person who may think they are HOLIER then THOU to act or speak on behalf of everyone, even if they are a TS, arrogant attitudes, (to me thats a very male orientated attitude: from that particular person mentioned, in the op (a dude with TUDE is attitude.) please dont take this in an offensive manner from me, its not meant to encase all , just in this instance, which will also bring them down with that type of manner and being, karma has a way of paying back believe me.....
they deserve a good kick in the arse..IMHO.
The only way I see to get society to accept things from all transgendered people is to show solidarity, be seen, live your lives as you wish to live, I am aware that there are a lot of members here that work tirelessly im sure in the different forums in their own areas for this very reason, in their own Communitys.
Here In new zealand where I live they have had annual "hero" parade Organised by the Gay rights movement, which include all the transgendered community,...the input and team work is amazing for the great end result. (notice teamwork all sections of society,) the amount of people that turn out to watch the parade and be involved is amazing, as its a Very Professional Parade, a lot better then some other guy who is known as the porn king here in NZ has his BOOBs on bikes down our main street,( if I wanna go see boobs whether its on a bike or not I would hire an adult movie or even go to a strip club, (this is done when they have what is known the Erotica exhibition show) opened up to the public,...
to me I would prefer the other, Hero Parade....shows a lot more taste...& professionalism that they can be involved in the local community....LOL
I know you are bummed out because of the lack of tolerance, between some of the members here, shows how different everyone is, just not in body etc but their own minds. Is that because they havent been educated into working towards (as a team) for a better acceptance of who they are, & in society or do they not want this end means, would be the question I would be asking.
As from what I have read most are looking for acceptance, by SOCIETY in the mainstream as well as SO's etc.?? Do they not want to work together for this end acceptance??.
you can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, you can never please all the people all the time.
its ok to be bummed out but just makes you see those in a different light hey...
EDIT: foot notereading post no #81 by dawnmarie, solution would be to first bring all these groups together to work on a common agenda. Learn to speak with one voice. Everybody benefits when they work together.
Christine I just read what you have posted and yes as you say... safety in numbers...
I have just got this link to what used to be the Hero parade they now call it PRIDE.
http://www.qna.net.nz/New_Zealand/Events/Hero/
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The gender/sexuality variant community has tried to band together with the support of many thousands who do not personally find themselves outside the accepted "norms" but none the less believe we have the right to happiness, only to find itself being torn assunder from within.
What is even sadder is that so many participating in the active dissolution cannot see how they will suffer as a result.
As the old adage goes, there is safety in numbers.
My sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended. As you can see, I was momentarily offended, upset, and felt incredibly degraded by the discussion as I read it.
I apologize for my outburst and and am saddened that I offended anyone. It is not my normal nature to do so.
We need very much to support each other and respect each other. Even if I felt disrespected, and I did, there was no need for the outburst.
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That is big of you suchacutie and i truly appreciate you stepping up...
That was very classy...
I happen to agree with you that no one should ever say "just a crossdresser" or "just a panty fetish", etc..it's very hurtful
anyway....
Thank you very muchI can totally understand the impulse to lash out when you feel attacked but it takes a very big person to apologize. Seeing as how the original post was not posted by the subject of the post, we can't necessarily expect any apologies or clarifications on that front (though there probably should be). With that said, thank you again, for your heartfelt apology and attempt to heal some of the divisions that have been occurring.
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The HBS'ers are a notorious hate-group. We go back a way, there are arguments between me and the 4 or 5 loud HBS spokespeople (they change their names a lot and often try to appear to be more numerous than they are) all over the net. As they especially like to go to LGBT blogs to drive a deliberate wedge between GLB and TG groups you'll often find them there blaming us for societies transphobia.
They were started by a TS in Spain iirc who is under investigation for threatening a TG advocate. They have ACTIVELY campained against TG Rights! There is also some evidence that they are connected with Dr Zucker and Blanchard's placing in the DSM revision!
In the comments of this article is one of the recent examples.. http://www.bilerico.com/2009/07/the_...r_identity.php note how they act when they get what they say they 'want'.. in reality they want to spread hate, so when anyone recognises their human right to 'self-identify' as 'not-transgender' they ignore it and keep up the hate.
It's also worth pointing out that the essential claim of HBS is that it's a neurological variation from birth and that being GLB and being a CD are not. But being gay or lesbian also comes up in brain scans as different neurologically and the scientists who did the studies on TS actually say that they expect ALL forms of gender spectrum are variations of the same neurological variation!
These people have a poll to remove ALL transsexuals from the term Transgender... it's been sitting for ages now with only a small number of signiatures.
They are a small but very very vocal hate-group doing serious damage.
As for a talk-show... it's a good idea i think, if done well.
After all there are TG-hosted talk shows in Pakistan and India, TG tv hosts and tv celebriaties in Italy, Indonesia and more.
I don't care for the HBS message/philosophy at all, in part because of the vehemence and condescension it often comes with, which I've experienced myself. Being told I wasn't a "Real Transsexual™", and if I was that I'd do anything, ignore family concerns, even go into sex work to fund a transition.
I see CD's and TS's as cousins under the TG umbrella, members of the same genus, but not the same species. Related but different. Have some things in common, have other things not in common.Several people responding to this post managed to politely make the point that a transitioning TS has a different set of worries, needs, and issues than those of us that aren't going to transition.
Word!There are a LOT of us out here that have all the same feelings, thoughts, wants, desires, and dreams that a transitioning TS has, but for what ever reason, we will never actually do it.
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Have I also not said that "This Thing of Ours" makes some of us a bit "Barefoot in the Head"? Well, it does.
Kimberly just took the words from my mouth- most unsanitary.
This person thinks her s*** doesn't stink because she had some bits removed?
I say it must've been a lobotomy.
I am who I am and do what I do. That makes me no better or worse than you. If this person has a problem, then it is HER problem.
I'm wearing a skirt?
With all the shots being fired about, I’m thinking I will stay in the closet where it is safest.
As I have a tendency to put my foot in my mouth, I’m taking my time doing this.
This seems to be a thread that I agree with and disagree to a large extent.
As a cd’er for “escapism” I can see it from both sides more or less..
The original post was quite disconcerting in the way the person quoted did not seem to want to be lumped in with anyone but her own specific kind, and to hell with the rest.
And that does not sit well with me one bit. As a former hunter (thanks coppers) we used to work together with other hunters no matter what or how they did what they do. No one was better than the other in any regards, as it should be here.
For my 2cents if there was to be a show on ”us” (as a group) all different yet all pretty much the same (at least in the same sinking boat) it should cover, “from start to finish”
As some one said earlier some tg/ts started as cd and some didn’t.
I don’t know for sure 100% that I will never be tg/ ts but for now I’m not. But should this exclude us from such a show?
No it shouldn’t.
Don’t take this wrong as I’m somewhat slow on the pickup. But didn’t all ts start as tg? (or visa versa) And some tg start as cd? There fore should any “network” discussion start from the beginning and cover aspects of all?
In my opinion no one is any better than anyone else in here.
Fair dinkum She (op’s original quote) reminded me of being in my old job, in regards to wanting to be treated by others differently even tho all from the same tree. In my case it was transport and under that tree the trailer drivers wanted to be treated differently from the rest of us just because they were different.
It’s wrong (mostly)
We are seen pretty much the same by “mainstream society”.
We are seen as, for the most parts, freaks.
So shouldn’t we stand side by side and be heard as one fighting for both?
I know the twu (transport workers union) fights for all transport drivers not just some.
We are the same we should fight side by side. If you don’t like the word fight, use “be heard” but you get the idea. Oh or better still stand and EDUCATE others together..
IF aliens attacked (yeah I know unlikely don’t tell me) would you like to fight as one or stand together and take a stand??????
I think I will leave the chromatical (mm no I don’t know if it’s a real word) alone tho I can kinda see where she came from, tho not agreeing with the way she said it.
I do apologize for lack of names here as I’m using ms word and cant see the orig post.
Any way Friday is soon to be over, so you all have a great weekend, be safe be happy
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Any talk show where participants generalise and tend to believe that their beliefs r common to common to evevery body in the group is bad. it is ok as long as te talk about themselves and their experiences and their reaction to it as an individual is fine
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This hole thread reminds me of of politics- I'll keep my cd-ing as a my own individual expression thank you...Politically though,I think that maybe left of center.
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I personally feel like the quote in the original post was written by a very passionate member of the community, but at the same time a bit misguided. Maybe I'm the one being misguided, though. Who is to say? At the end of the day we're all victims of the human condition. Just as she illustrated in her post, she longs for members of her community to be accepted while alienating herself and "her kind" from any other form of gender queer subgroup.
It's all very good to be outspoken and passionate about your cause, but when your plight becomes all you see, it's hard to gain sympathy for your side. I myself hate labels, but to explain my situation I have to use them. So as a timid and terrified person who feels like she was born in the wrong body, let me say this - there are so many grey areas in our world that blur the lines from CD to TG to TS to whatever.
I crossdress. But I do it because it feels right to me and I feel natural that way. For a long time I was certain I just wanted to be a girl - but now I'm not so sure anymore. I've grown used to my condition. I've come to accept that I am a boy, and will probably always be one. I don't like it, but I can live with it, I suppose. Unless someone hands me a ridiculous sum of money, things will remain as they are for me.
I don't know what you'd call me and frankly I don't care. Does this person think I don't want to be accepted just as badly as she does? Does she think CDs and TS' don't incur the feeling of alienation and terror whenever they think about stepping outside in full dress?
Everyone has their own problems, and here, on the internet, we can be honest and let it all out anonymously. If only the real world were as understanding. I just don't understand what she means when she's saying "her kind" are trying to assimilate into "normal" society. As if the rest of us aren't?!
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