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    Outed at work....be careful out there...

    As is typical during the winter's colder weather I underdress more often, occasionally wearing high-waist girdles and stockings under my slacks, dress shirt and sweaters.

    Today in a meeting, I noticed the HR manager -an older lady and dear friend of many years whom I was sitting next to in the meeting- occasionally glancing down at my thighs and lo and behold, the outline of one my open-bottom girdle's garters was pretty visible through my pants leg.

    The meeting ends and she asks me to stay behind a second. When we're alone, she says 'XXXXX, I've known you for years and have lots of both professional and personal admiration for you. Because of that and to prevent you from losing stature here, I have to ask you a question: are you wearing a girdle or garter belt and stockings under your male clothes?'

    My jaw dropped to the table-top, I started perspiring a bit, stammered and said 'I am, and how do you know?'

    Her response: 'my husband (who is deceased) was a cross-dresser and I could not help but notice the outline of a garter through your slacks. I don't care, but some people here might and I don't want your name and reputation here to be tarnished in any way, so be careful.'

    I thanked her profusely, we hugged and she said that of course, it would stay between us which I trust completely will be as she said.

    But, it could have been someone else with lesser intentions, so....be careful out there....

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    You were extemely lucky in who noticed! You are also very right, it certainly could have been someone who did not think the way she did. Your warning is right on!!
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    close call, what r the odds though?

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    Try wearing pantyhose or thigh highs instead as they normally don't show through slacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty G View Post
    Try wearing pantyhose or thigh highs instead as they normally don't show through slacks.
    Yeah.....will need to go that route, I guess. I dislike both pantyhose or thigh-highs, but looks like the safest course of action movong forward.
    Odds?? Yeah, I thought about that too, but it's often said that at least one in 20 men cross-dress, so the odds aren't all that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty G View Post
    Try wearing pantyhose or thigh highs instead as they normally don't show through slacks.
    Yes, but let's be honest - why should you?

    Employment law differs all over the world but certainly in the UK it would not be legal to sack a man just for underdressing. There have even been some succesfull unfair dismissal claims from men who dressed completely as women, even in a few cases where the CD had resigned becuase of hostility from co workers which the courts said should not have been allowed by the employer.

    Of course it takes a brave person to stand up to the pressures of being identified as a CD. I underdress and as far as I know only my PA at work is aware of this. I claim that my concern not to be outed is so as not to offend other people and that is partly true, but also I don't want to loose clients for the business either. I wouldn't get sacked (I own the company) but others would be affected.
    I am a man and I just want the freedom to wear what I want in public or private. Is that really too much to ask?

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    As masculine as my male side is (very much so)... I admit to others I know I wear tights to keep warm in winter and tell them long johns are very uncomfortable and they should try it. I just as as if I am so comfortable in my sexuality as a man it dont bother me. They do not know I go further.... I think. lol

    Females usually say, thats so cool you are so comfortable as a man to admit it..... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maria_1969 View Post
    As masculine as my male side is (very much so)... I admit to others I know I wear tights to keep warm in winter and tell them long johns are very uncomfortable and they should try it. I just as as if I am so comfortable in my sexuality as a man it dont bother me. They do not know I go further.... I think. lol

    Females usually say, thats so cool you are so comfortable as a man to admit it..... :-)

    Maria
    How true. I doubt anyone would really comment about me wearing tights in winter. However suspenders and stocking, like today, maybe less easily accepted.
    I am a man and I just want the freedom to wear what I want in public or private. Is that really too much to ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maria_1969 View Post
    As masculine as my male side is (very much so)... I admit to others I know I wear tights to keep warm in winter and tell them long johns are very uncomfortable and they should try it. I just as as if I am so comfortable in my sexuality as a man it dont bother me. They do not know I go further.... I think. lol

    Females usually say, thats so cool you are so comfortable as a man to admit it..... :-)

    Maria
    You see, being honest does pay off. So many of us freak out if someone notices something out of the "norm". Simply own up to it and act as if nothing is unusual about it. That is what I did for several years before going full time. It was a little scary while in the Navy but nothing was ever said. I still got my honorable discharge even if I was wearing panties.

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    Just always remember... In Man mode, CONFIDENCE is EVERYTHING!!! Men respect it and women admire it.... I have my male side down, it’s my female side that needs grooming... LOL

    I have even told others, with confidence, when its cold enough ill wear pantyhose under the tights and even another guys in the past have chimed in and admitting to doing so when hunting or on the motorcycle. Anyone that thinks long-johns are comfortable must be insane... if they were football players would not be wearing tights and wearing long-johns. Pantyhose and Tights also help with leg fatigue and circulation issues. You could always use that one too.

    One problem with garters, the porn industry had made them a sexual object (aka: fetish attire) so people will most likely assume you have a strong fetish or cross-dress.

    Maria
    Last edited by Maria_1969; 12-14-2010 at 07:07 PM.
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    I'm sure there are lots of co-workers that see way more than we think they see... And I'm sure many people know I crossdress including a few Sr Vps.. Just from comments they have made in passing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davina-Alba View Post
    Yes, but let's be honest - why should you?

    Employment law differs all over the world but certainly in the UK it would not be legal to sack a man just for underdressing. There have even been some succesfull unfair dismissal claims from men who dressed completely as women, even in a few cases where the CD had resigned becuase of hostility from co workers which the courts said should not have been allowed by the employer.
    If they decide they want to sack you for it, they will use another reason so as to stay inside the law. Once they are determined to sack you, it's just a matter of time. I am glad it worked out well this time around for the OP. Amazing the lady that noticed was married to a CD, what are the odds?

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    Thing is, if this wonderful lady hadn't have had a hubby CD, would she have even noticed? I'd be surprised if she would. I know I, like most other t-girls have VERY keen T-dar, and anyone who knew a CD would probably have a pretty keen sense of this as well. I don't underdress, but early this year I was playing with some subtle makeup like radiance-boosting moisturiser, tinted chapstick nd some eyebrow pencil (I have red hair, so my eyebrows are blonde and almost invisible, so I touched them up very lightly with a very pale pencil) and I don't think anyone noticed
    Last edited by DebsUK; 12-14-2010 at 08:49 PM.

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    I'm glad that you hugged her, because she deserves every last ounce of that from you...I hope that if something like this happens to me one day, I will have someone as understanding and friendly as you did...

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    One has to be so careful about being exposed to the wrong people. Most people don't really care and that is nice, its just one or two that can make or break a quiet existence. If you are in charge of clients and are on a one to one relationship then it certainly should be kept as a business relationship. It is great she has alerted you, maybe she knows of some within the work environment who may not quite understand crossdressing and may become a little antagonistic towards you.

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    The same guy who borrowed my iPad a few months ago and saw this site borrowed it again today to see how one of his Flash animations looked on it. I guess I was browsing one of my threads earlier and my picture of me in the white turtleneck was up on the site. I know he knows. He knows I know he knows. Neither of us is going to say anything, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathi Lake View Post
    The same guy who borrowed my iPad a few months ago and saw this site borrowed it again today to see how one of his Flash animations looked on it. I guess I was browsing one of my threads earlier and my picture of me in the white turtleneck was up on the site. I know he knows. He knows I know he knows. Neither of us is going to say anything, you know?

    Kathi
    I wonder how many hr.s he has spent reserching the subject since. has his attatude to you fluctuated ?
    It might be interesting to see if he is more or less open minded for the ....exposuer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathi Lake View Post
    The same guy who borrowed my iPad a few months ago and saw this site borrowed it again today to see how one of his Flash animations looked on it. I guess I was browsing one of my threads earlier and my picture of me in the white turtleneck was up on the site. I know he knows. He knows I know he knows. Neither of us is going to say anything, you know?

    Kathi
    He does know that none of the iOS devices (iPhone, iPad) support Flash, right??? Maybe he was looking for pictures of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karren Hutton View Post
    I'm sure there are lots of co-workers that see way more than we think they see...
    So true. That's why I don't understand the concept of under-dressing in anything that can be revealed to the outside world. The outline of a bra and it's straps comes to mind and I've never given any thought to a garter belt (cuz it's not something I ever wear) but yeah, same difference, I guess.

    It's one thing to underdress but doing so with either of those garments is at your peril should you not wish to be outed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathi Lake View Post
    The same guy who borrowed my iPad a few months ago and saw this site borrowed it again today to see how one of his Flash animations looked on it. I guess I was browsing one of my threads earlier and my picture of me in the white turtleneck was up on the site. I know he knows. He knows I know he knows. Neither of us is going to say anything, you know?

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    When I was in the military, I went through cold weather training, and our instructor recommended pantyhose as a good way to conserve body heat. When I was in Iraq a few years later, knee highs were worn by almost all of us as they helped save our feet from developing blisters in the boots.

    Sometimes there can be a good "explanation" to go along with stuff like that.

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    Ahhhh grasshopper one of the great quandries of our time. Is it truly underdressing if its seen or is it simply dressing with other clothes on outside. HMMMMMMMM.

    I think HR manager is Josey Cool. She knows the rules and knows the stink that it would cause if someone started giving a proven employee a hard time about something that she is wearing under her clothing. It would be rough on you and rough on the company. However, I think she handled this situation with style and grace. The world would be a better place if we all hugged a little more.

    In today's military they have ruined our excuse for underdressing. Some smart crossdresser decided to start issuing super warm silk tops and bottoms. They feel great and are toasty warm, but its just not the same as wearing a nice pair of Legs Control Tops under your war gear.
    Last edited by SuzanneBender; 12-15-2010 at 08:27 AM.
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    OK So you don't like panty hose/tights, or knee highs, then why not try hold-up stockings. I find them a lot more comfortable than any garter belt, or girdle with suspenders, and there is definately no tell tale line to show through even the lightest linen trousers/pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuzanneBender View Post

    In today's military they have ruined our excuse for underdressing. Some smart crossdresser decided to start issuing super warm silk tops and bottoms. They feel great and are toasty warm, but its just not the same as wearing a nice pair of Legs Control Tops under your war gear.
    What is the world coming too?

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    nice to hear that some "HR" managers actually can do what there job is about

    i have also often wonderd about garter straps/ clips showing through trousers . i have underdressed a few times under my thick jeans "yes" they can be noticed under thick clothing too but only if they are being looked for .

    WATCH OUT with holdups too!!! i thought they would not show at all but one day i noticed that when i sat down i had two tight bands in my jeans where the hold up elastic was tight around my thighs, it was actually more notacable than that little bump from the garter strap and clip .

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    Being sacked is not really the issue. The question is whether you want cross-dressing to define you in work relationships. Most people are amused or uncaring about eccentric strangers, but many would judge CDing to be sexual behavior, inappropriate for the office. Even if management "can't" sack a CD, performance and rewards could deteriorate unacceptably in a hostile environment.

    Wish it were otherwise ...

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