Originally Posted by Stephanie Anne
I'll remember this next time I see you call for more tolerance.
I mean, really?
Presumably, the OP is indeed a man, under the womens' clothing. I'd call that an observant and bright kid, depending on how passable or obvious the OP may be.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.
This is beautiful. Thank you.
That's probably the nicest thing I've read in a long time, thank you
I enjoy going dressed to botanical gardens, especially during the Christmas season when it is dark and all the Christmas lights. Once, while I was just standing, a child and her mother walked by me and the child said "That's a strange looking man" and the mother said, yes he is. I almost said something, but just let it go. The next day, while it was light, I was doing some volunteer work at the garden and I went by the area where the child and her mother said something. Well it turned out there was a huge "stick" man made of vines right behind where I was standing with a hat and face and all. I am so glad I didn't say anything!
Joni
"Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free" Bob Dylan
being perfect and always passing LOL. I have to say that a child is curious and wants to understand what he or she see's that is different then the norm. We all must realize that we are different then the norm at times. The question was to her mom and was appropriate to ask. Stop being so sensitive to anyone at any age trying to understand. There is a big difference with a child asking her mom if you are a man or woman. Than directly being insulted by a person who dislikes you because you are different then they are.
TO OVER WEIGHT TO POST A PHOTO, MY wife tells me I look like I am pregnant
I had a similar embarassing experience. I was in male mode checking out lingerie at a Goodwill store, and an 8-year old boy must have said something to his father about a man shopping for women's underwear. I didn't hear what the boy said, but I did hear the father's response (in an overly loud voice), "Maybe he just likes wearing women's underwear." At first I was shocked and dismayed, but then I got gack to business. I had found this pair of pink polkadot panties and I had to decide if they would fit. I had to leave to catch a flight home.
Stacy, The CD's #1 Rule aways stear clear of teenage girls.
Orchid
"One thing you should make it clear up front that you are a biological male. No body likes to be fooled."
I thought I would post the comment you recently placed on my posting
I would think going to a womens business lunch is a little differnt from going to Dress Barn.
But still fair point
P.S. The girl was younger than teen age.
Stacy kids just innocently call it like they see it. Man or woman who cares you are you and that is what counts.
Dawn you are right this is how we change the world not only for the better for us but for the better of everyone.
Thanks for sharing this wonderful story.
See yourself as a soul with a body not a body with a soul" Dr. Wayne Dyer
Please ladies, where does it say this is a teenager, and not a little girl? Where is there anything judgmental in what was said? and where did Stacy show any sign of being distressed about the incident? Did I miss something here? I think some people might be expressing there own fears here! I mean from the eyes of a small child, Was she wrong? If you are going out where young children will be around, you better be ready to handle the truth, it's hard to teach kids not to tell it.
Tina B.
Hi Stacey
Thank you for your gracious response I hope you didnt feel I was trying to be sarcastic
no big deel.... my favorite day is shopping along side teens and have them asking themselves is that a girl or guy... if i get that im extatic....
I just recently had a getting read incident. I was in a mall walking along. I think I am passable if you don't notice... If you look close, it is obvious it is a man in a dress. In the malls around So Cal (probably everywhere) there are a lot of kiosks in the middle of the walkways. There was one that sold body shapers. There was a girl about 17/18 minding the "store". She had some of her girl and boy friends around. They saw me coming and tried to get my attention, and wanted me to stop. The girl was telling me how great this body shaper was even after I was 25 feet away from her kiosk. As I walked by I just smiled, and kept on walking. I couldn't help but roll my eyes at how I was being mocked. I didn't care. If you ignore the jeers, it takes away their steam. You are going to get read, deal with it.
dawnmarrie1961, It is actions by you like this, that will help us in being recognized and accepted. I got chills when I read the mother's response to her daughter. God bless you and keep up the good work!!
Beth
Oh, how I wish....
I would have replied to both of them in my deepst baritone male voice, " Yest I am. Have a nice day." You've been clocked; so what; have some fun with it. Then think about the conversation the mother will have to have with her child back in the car????? The mother will at least admonish the child to not speak so loudly about such things in the future.
I've responded in my male voice many times in awkward situations like that. It goes to show those around that yes, you are a guy in a dress and that you probably are enjoying it and further, that their opinions are not having an effect on you one bit. Just remember to be polite in your male voice. You'd be totally surprised at the effect it has on those who are looking at you quizically.
SO......HAVE A NICE DAY!
Say what???
I called you out for displaying just as much bigotry and intolerance as you condemned. I do believe the word is "hypocrisy."
People have a right to their opinions. Just because you think their opinions are backward does not mean they are subhumans who should be prevented from breeding. But this case was all the more ridiculous because this was simply a little girl who made an observation about the world around her, without a value judgment. Should we have a world in which children are taught to disbelieve their own senses in favor of political correctness? I read that story. It's called "The Emperor's New Clothes."
If you want tolerance and acceptance, try exercising some. It's just one of those virtues, like love, forgiveness, charity -- that are given, not demanded. They aren't always returned, but such is life.
It is perhaps a learning moment for the child, right? It's probably good for her to learn that there is more to gender than just male or female.
The important thing is not passing as a woman, but getting respect whether you pass or not. If all crossdressers pass, how will society learn to accept crossdressers?
Juno
Juno Michelle Krahn
Normal people are weird. Stealth is another word for "in the closet".
I like your attitude about it. After all, it IS going to happen to the vast majority of us. It's kind of hard to fault the young lady either, because all she did was to state an exciting and interesting fact to her mother. Now if she had yelled it out to the store and made a scene, then we could talk about unkind and ignorant people, but I think that she behaved reasonably.
Ah, yes. Just one of those things. It happens every now and then, and has been beaten down here...young girls are always the most scrupulous. Mostly because as they grow, they are becoming aware of others, and in their tween ages, starting to try to figure out what works on them, and therefore scrutinize everyone they see. Especially ever [I]woman[I] they see. I see no reason to feel upset my this though. It happens, and we can always use it as a tool to help us along our way.
Important question StaceyJane...how was Dress Barn and did you find anything good?
It's most definitely a possibility. My younger son and I were at the post office when he was in middle school, and he kept staring at an older TS standing in line next to us. I say TS because she wasn't wearing a bra (it was summer), her breasts were real and well, they looked like other 60-65 year old women's breasts when they don't wear bras ... they sag quite a bit (sorry). She also had long, natural gray hair with male pattern baldness, a masculine looking face but no beard, red nail polish on, but the polish was a week or so old and chipped a bit. She was wearing a tank top, lots of necklaces, dangly earrings, no makeup, and a tie-died krinkly ankle skirt, with generic, androgynous style brown sandal. In other words, she looked very comfortable with who she was, and she certainly wasn't trying to make a fashion statement or impress anyone. You know, the "this is who I am, like it or not" type person who is simply going about her business.
Anyway my son was fascinated and he kept staring. I noticed he was staring at someone or something but I couldn't tell who or what it was since he could see her face but I couldn't. Later on when I could see, he whispered, "Is that a man?" I don't know if she heard or not, since the lines were quite close together, but she didn't give any indication that she did. I told my son quietly that we would talk about this later.
Once outside I told him that I thought (but wasn't sure) this person was a M2F transsexual, although she might have been a crossdresser. This began a one hour educational opportunity to explain gender variance to him (both M2F & F2M). And then we went on to discuss sexual variance (all persuasions, as they affect all gender and non-gender variant people). There was a tinge of bigotry in his initial reactions (no doubt from general attitudes at school), but eventually with my help he began to understand that we all are who we are and there is no need to pass judgment on anyone.
Anyway, this son went away a few months laterand in his new school there was a reclusive young boy who didn't seem to have friends. My son saw his name on a school paper eventually and noticed it was a girl's name. He then understood this boy was F2M. He was very much supportive of him when he told me about this, they did become acquainted, and I've got to credit this to the post-office incident and our ensuing conversation.
Kids do stare much more than adults, who have been long taught is is rude to stare, and this is why kids notice birth gender so easily.
Reine
I have never expierenced being read because I have never been out in public per say,but siminarly being of smaller stature and having long hair(shoulder length and longer) as long as I can remember incidents have accured just walking down the street with car horns,cat calls,etc... until they see me from the front and then the embarrassment for them on their faces is priceless and no comment is needed on my part.All of this is while dressed and acting my male self.I have gotten some rather rude stares while window shopping(dreaming)in front of womens clothing stores.Maybe one day soon I will expierence being made while in public and I hope I handle it with class and dignity and a sense of humor as to make my sisters proud and show that even wierdo,pervert sick-o' crossdressers are part of this great human family of ''man".
Perhaps it was in a way a compliament :
"You looked so good .she could not believe you were really a man
Jean Ann
No, I didn't find anything that day. I wasn't looking to buy anything. I just felt like looking around and maybe trying some things on. I've been to that dress Barn a bunch of times and the ladies know me there. It's the same one that I had my first shopping trip at when I was en drab and the manager picked out some outfits for me to try on.
Thanks everyone for you comments.
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