bathrooms: just what goes on in there anyway?

[heatherdress]

For transsexual women and girls, and transsexual men, are bathrooms really a matter of choice like like they are for cross dressers? do they really not have a right to be treated equally according to their gender identity? I think they do have such rights and they need to be accomidated equally. Cross dressers are talking a lot on the issue but they. are not impacted in the same ways.

Yes, transsexual women and men absolutely should be able to use the bathroom which corresponds to the gender they identify with and live as. Transsexual women are women. Transsexual men are men. But unfortunately, crossdressers, whether dressed or not dressed, are also included in transgender bathroom rights laws, whether dressed or not dressed, because crossdressers are also defined in general transgender definitions.

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Heather,

I understand the fear of women and have had many conversations with women on this topic and for the most part it is a non-issue. Most women I have spoken to don't care so long as the trans person is doing her business, washing hands and leaving. The stuff you are talking about is fear mongering which is being used in your very own country to deny trans women and trans men the right to use the bathroom to which they identify. As a trans woman I do not pass, am not pretty and look like a man (my cross to bear) however if I were to enter the men's bathroom what do you think would happen to me? Do you think the guys in there would be oh so accommodating. I live this 24/7 and when I have to pee I need to do so and I am not about to wander around looking for a one seater or bush to do my business. I am a woman and so I will use the women's restroom.

Marcelle

Marcelle - Sorry, but you cannot understand and should not dismiss the fear and anxiety some women have based on a few conversations with your friends. It is not fear mongering as you label it. Too bad you could not speak to my wife, who is very accepting, liberal, progressive, sympathetic and a military veteran. She would maintain that the fear mongering you suggest better describes the opposite justification being used for protective bathroom laws. I certainly do believe that transsexual women and men should continue to use the bathroom that corresponds to the gender that they are and live their life as. But protecting crossdressers, who primarily dress for pleasure, even when not dressed, is different and a protection that has always been unnecessary.

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The truth is, there has never be a documented case of a TS/TG person harassing anyone in a rest room in any way .
A TS/TG person just wants to "do their business" and leave.

However, it's actually the TS/TG population who has often been harassed in restrooms and this has be often been documented.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/0...athroom-study/

This stems from the erroneous belief that being gay TS/ TG is a conscious choice that people make..... born out of pure sexual perversion that they have .
So, they believe that any gay TS/TG person in a rest room must be up to some sort of perverse sexual action.
Some ignorant people actually believe this and some politicians are just taking full advantage of their ignorance .

Consider this.... African Americans were once bared from white restrooms using basically the same argument that they would harass whites and "decent people" do not want them around.

Barbara Jo - Don't be naïve. Crossdressers do get arrested in places like bathrooms. Men who wear dresses and wigs break laws and commit crimes. Several crossdressers have been arrested by police for videotaping unsuspecting women in stalls. There are crossdresser arrests made for prostitution and drug sales in places like bathrooms. And not everyone runs in and leaves, as you suggest.