hrt advise

[Jengurl1]

Hello,

This is my first post so hi to all....

Humm.. well I'm taking hormones and doing it the way I shouldn't but that's me and what I'm working with. Not really a good reason I know but thats where I am and what I'm gonna do unless I hear some stories of peoples heads exploding. :straightface:

Its kinda ironic cause really i hate taking meds. These ones are different though. In a very short time 2 moths Ive changed. I didn't get big boobs or a knockout butt, I do for what ever reason feel different. Writing this makes me wounder more if what I feel is me or not ? Really I dont care, what i feel completes me in a way that agrees with how I already am...

So Estrofem just 2 mg divided a day is what I'm taking. Added a little Aspirin recently gonna pick up my Medroxyprogesterone Acetate right after I post this.

I think I'm just gonna post this and find out whos hiding in the bushes :tongueout



Jen :)

[~Kelly~]

I am sure I won't be the first to say it, but be VERY careful when self prescribing. In fact, I could probably say until I am blue in the face to NOT do it period but I have a feeling that would fall on deaf ears. Seriously, we all want you to be around to enjoy whatever it is you are hoping to get out of this and self-prescribing is an easy way to get hurt. Nobody says this to be contrary or mean. It is just about staying safe and there are ALL sorts of things that can go wrong when self-medicating.

[morgan pure]

Jen,
Welcome to the club. Everyone is right to tell you to go through a doctor. I swear that I'm going to tell mine, because you can't argue with their logic.

My choice to start on my own had nothing at all to do with logic, however. It just happened, I watched it, but didn't "decide" it. Just a minute ago I was praying to Mary for protection because I'm so happy I'm scared. 8 months. My entire view of the world has changed. I just prayed again-and I'm half atheist.

Isn't it great?

Morgan

[MJ]

i have never heard of anyone head exploding but i have herd of heart problems and also blood clots leading to heart attack or stroke or death . then there's liver failure i had a friend commit suicide because of that but hey it's your life.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

Jen,
....and your point is?

[gagirl1]

I think I'm just gonna post this and find out whos hiding in the bushes


don't think anyone here is 'hiding in the bushes,' this is an openly trans forum. i don't have a good feeling about this post, don't know why, just doesn't feel real. i apologize to the OP if it is.

[Tizabet]

Agreed. There's something off about this. But in case it is real... Be careful with the aspirin. Especially when you add spiro to the mix (at which point, be VERY careful about potassium intake, or you'll end up in the emergency room or morgue). Both reduce blood pressure, and that could turn into a big problem pretty easily. Beyond that, go do some research at least. It sounds like you don't know a lot about the drugs, their interactions, or the full extent of their effects. You insist on self medicating, fine, but how can you put something in your body without knowing what it does?

[Jengurl1]

Guess I really didn't get my point out :doh:

Really what I wanted to know is if someone is taking 6 mg of estradiol and they add an anti androgen how much less estradiol should they be taking. And other than lowering your chances of a blood clot by taking a lower dose of estrdiol what other benefits is there of taking an anti androgen?

I have been reading up online and I'm finding things here and there that make me wounder what else i've missed. I think I'll learn more reading post and goggling my questions, gotta love the internet.

What I meant about hiding in the bushes was a lot of people have their minds made about what other people should do. I was on another site and asked about dosages, they called themselves a support forum but apparently they'd rather me have none of the kind i need unless i was like them and went to a doctor in witch case i wouldn't need any?

Tizabet thanks for the tip! Spiro ? sounds like that stuff will turn you into a raisin ? :straightface:


I'm not trying to offend anyone but I gotta know, How could I give anyone a bad feeling? I'm just chatting online.
you dont even have to reply.

Anyways going out to have some fun with the gurls.... wish Thursday was on Saturday?...


Jen:)

[Nicki B]

..what I'm gonna do unless I hear some stories of peoples heads exploding. :straightface:

Those would be called strokes (http://www.neurologychannel.com/stroke/index.shtml)... Which, as MJ pointed out, aren't uncommon?


I have been reading up online and I'm finding things here and there that make me wounder what else i've missed. I think I'll learn more reading post and goggling my questions, gotta love the internet.

What's wrong in asking someone who has spent years gaining medical qualifications and experience IRL?? :strugglin

[cd_britney_426]

You stated here that you prefer not to go to a doctor for hormones yet you are here asking us medical advice. I am not authorized to give you medical advice and I doubt that any of us in this thread are doctors and even if they are, they are also not authorized to give medical advice since they wouldn't know anything about your health conditions and history. This thread does seem a bit weird because none of us are in a position to help you because again we cannot offer medical advice. If you want to know what hormones are safe and in what dosages, the truth is that the only one you really can talk to IS a doctor. Britney

[~Kelly~]

I was on another site and asked about dosages, they called themselves a support forum but apparently they'd rather me have none of the kind i need unless i was like them and went to a doctor in witch case i wouldn't need any?


I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think that maybe something has been lost in translation here. This other "support forum" is not saying any of this because they feel they are superior in any way. Its not like some elite club which they are unwilling to let new members into. It is all about safety. But to say they are not a support forum is like saying that a suicide support number should be enabling someone who wants to commit suicide, giving ideas and telling the best way to do it. That scenario is ridiculous to think about. However, because someone is unwilling to recommend something that has the very distinct possibility of killing you, all of a sudden they are some "elitest"? I REALLY hate to have to lay it out like this because I don't want you to consider me being rude to you. That is not the case by ANY stretch of the imagination. I understand it is hard to talk about this to someone. I understand that money may be tight. I understand that many people wouldn't understand. And the lure of "do-it-yourself" hormones seems to bypass all of that. However, the risk is FAR greater than the reward. Especially when it can be done safely through a doctor. I honestly do wish you the best of luck and want you to be around for a while :)

[Jengurl1]

humm.. for now I'm gonna continue to take hormones without a doctors supervision thats my choice I made it already. obviously I I'm missing something. If someone asked me about a dosage and I knew what I was talking about I'd simply say I'm taking this much this and that much that and perhaps say why. At the very least this thread has inspired me to find out why answers are so elusive. Its not like I'm looking for a prescription more like some reference I can compare with what I already know. are regimes that different between people? I dont know yet I just looking for a little info...

I do understand other perspectives just cases i dont get what I'm looking for doesn't mean I cant respect the reason for a persons choice. In fact the site I was at was created and run by someone who suffered greatly from self prescribed hormones, what better reason for understand. I'm not a dentist so pulling teeth isent my thing and no I'm not unlicensed giggle.

Anyways I'll just find out myself no big deal

Have a fantastic Thursday

Jen

[Kimberley]

All I will say is good luck to you.

The comment I want to make would have the post deleted.

Kimberley

[Tizabet]

The comment I want to make would have the post deleted.Well said...

I really REALLY hope op is a troll, for their own sake.

[Melissa A.]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think that maybe something has been lost in translation here. This other "support forum" is not saying any of this because they feel they are superior in any way. Its not like some elite club which they are unwilling to let new members into. It is all about safety. But to say they are not a support forum is like saying that a suicide support number should be enabling someone who wants to commit suicide, giving ideas and telling the best way to do it. That scenario is ridiculous to think about. However, because someone is unwilling to recommend something that has the very distinct possibility of killing you, all of a sudden they are some "elitest"? I REALLY hate to have to lay it out like this because I don't want you to consider me being rude to you. That is not the case by ANY stretch of the imagination. I understand it is hard to talk about this to someone. I understand that money may be tight. I understand that many people wouldn't understand. And the lure of "do-it-yourself" hormones seems to bypass all of that. However, the risk is FAR greater than the reward. Especially when it can be done safely through a doctor. I honestly do wish you the best of luck and want you to be around for a while :)

I know ya didnt want it, but I turned you into a broken record, Kelly :laughing: Because it can't be said enough. The ironic thing is that it's more than likely that if you go to a good gender therapist, He or she will yell at you for a few minutes for self medicating then set about getting you to an endo. The therapists and doctors are on your side. They don't want to see anyone do this on their own.

I'm a room monitor in a chatroom and our policy is that while generalities are ok, specific talk in open chat about hormone use is against the rules. And it ain't because we're hiding the keys to the holy grail, either. We, and I, are pretty strong in the belief that we would rather not help someone kill themselves. It's also pretty likely that doing it on your own won't work very well.

Hugs,

Melissa:)

[MJ]

humm.. for now I'm gonna continue to take hormones without a doctors supervision thats my choice I made it already. obviously I I'm missing something. If someone asked me about a dosage and I knew what I was talking about I'd simply say I'm taking this much this and that much that and perhaps say why.

Because we care about you ... and if i tell you and you do the same dosage as me you could die and your blood will be on my hands.. in a manor of speaking . we do care

can i ask you why are you so scared to go talk with your doctor over this ? and do this the right way ?

sorry drugs are drugs weather there estrogen or heroin !!!

[GypsyKaren]

Jen, I would first like to welcome you here, and it's very nice to meet you.

The others are right, we're not experts so giving out specific advice is better left to a doctor, who you should be seeing, however...

Whether you do or not is your choice and I don't know what your reasons are. Many of us self medicate, we shouldn't but sometimes there's no choice, so before anyone else scolds you about it, I'll tell all of you this...

I self medicate, have been for a long time. I would love to have a doctor handle it, but I gave up trying to find one who would do it, and I've asked plenty. All of them refused, none of them would touch it, not even with me being a post-op. I'm bipolar and I have a severe sleep disorder, I can get scripts for any downers and amphetamines I want, but a low dose of estrodiol? No way, no how, I get "We don't do that", "I wouldn't feel comfortable with that", and "I could get in trouble."

I'm not going to try and play doctor with you, but I will say that I took the same E dose along with Spiro when I was a pre-op and it worked well for me.

Karen :g2:

[Nicki B]

humm.. for now I'm gonna continue to take hormones without a doctors supervision thats my choice I made it already.

Perhaps you might explain why? :idontknow:

[Kaitlyn Michele]

Susan McIntyre, MSW, ACSW
Central Iowa Gender Institute
Des Moines, Iowa 50309


Karen...i found this on a website...did you see her or perhaps the information is out of date and the "Institute" doesnt exist?

maybe you are not alone!!! even in Iowa!!

[Jengurl1]

Hello,

I think I should have asked my question about nail polish first and read more posts in this somewhat new forum before I started this thread.

I've been around on and off here since 2004. I cant convey how helpful everyone has been especially at the start when I was even more naive and alone. Since I've had a lot of small victory's, learned to feel comfortable expressing my feelings regardless of the clothes I'm wearing... but still I'm naive and alone. How can anyone find a SO when even amongst your own very small minority there is so much diversity? I've meet every pervert under the sun (i hope) and mostly been shocked groped or drugged in that order. You all who have SO's are very lucky.

Please disregard my questions about HRT, it was a mistake and I regret asking.

Introductions, I read a few, never understood the same people taking the time just to say hello or welcome. I thought it was strange. I know now that even though they may seem hollow they are a kindness that can be reassuring to the newbie with 1 post looking to fit in.


Take care,

Jen:)

[GypsyKaren]

Jen, don't let a few remarks scare you off, you just have to accept that you won't always get answers to your liking, it happens to me all the time so I either weigh them or toss them.

Karen :g2:

[Nicki B]

Perhaps you might explain why? :idontknow:


So... That's a no, then?

:sad:

[Kaitlyn Michele]

btw -

Medroxyprogesterone Acetate is NOT progesterone,,,and i know you didnt say it was...but it actually has all kinds of nasty side effects that progesterone itself doesnt


From the Project Aware Website....
Another immediate difference...
between medroxyprogesterone and natural progesterone is that the synthetic hormone can actually lower a patient's blood level of progesterone. Some women who take medroxyprogesterone to combat PMS or oppose estrogen in menopause report headaches, mood swings and fluid retention.

On the other hand, women who take natural micronized progesterone often say their mood swings diminish. Women who suffer from migraines as their main complaint with PMS also find that this situation may be corrected by natural progesterone. In its natural micronized form, progesterone acts as a diuretic, which means the women who take these supplements may have to go to the bathroom more frequently, but they are spared the fluid retention and weight gain experienced by women on synthetic progestin.

Prescribed dosages also differ in regard to natural and synthetic progesterone. Synthetic progestin is 10 to 100 times as potent as the natural progesterone. This appears to be a tremendous range, but the doses fall well within those limits.


From Another forum

Progesterone comes under several names. Prometrium (Utrogestan in Europe),
Microgest and Cyclogest to name a few. The key to know if it's the real
deal, or a fake out is if it comes in doses that are by 100 mg, it's actual
progesterone. If it comes in doses that are by 10mg, it's synthetic & won't
do as well and could cause more problems than it's worth.

Hint, Provera, AKA medoxyprogesterone is NOT progesterone. It's synthetic
and is much more akin on the molecular level, to testosterone, than it is to
Progesterone, hence why some gals on it, actually MASCULINIZE, counter to
everything they're undergoing HRT to achieve

[Shelly B.]

Hey Jen, you're getting good advice from all the girls here. Having researched this some, you're greatest risk is what is known as a pulmonary embolism. Otherwise known as a blood clot that forms in the lungs. (I'm also a first responder so that helps, having dealt with people who have had this) Please consult your doctor, so they can monitor you for the correct dosages. Should you have a P.E. attack, you're time for medical treatment is very limited. It varies by person and severity, but I would say the max time without blood thinners and clot busters is maybe 1 hour. Be safe and be careful. I hope that this information helps.
Huggs & LOL,
Shelly