Time for me to get some mace.

[Niya W]

If it was not for bad luck I would have none . Let me explain. I'm Vegas with fair size t-girls and one trans man. We go to studio 54 were this guy grabs my ass and says lets dance. I told take your hand off my ass or I'll break it. Next loser. I'm walking back to my hotel room and this guy is like hey you have pretty hair and all. Being kind of nice about. Then he was like hey come back to my room. I was like no I'm with some one. He was like are they here now
?? Then I said it would be rude of me since they paid for have the trip. He was well I pay for it. Can you at least jack me off. Yeah buddy I'll snap it right off. Now for loser three and four. They were blunt and right to the point . How much for the both of us. By the end of this trip I'm going to have gone through and entire can of mace with idiots like these. No I was not dressed ****ty. Just jeans and a tube. Now the girls are going to do a fetish night.I was going to participate , but there is NO ****ING WAY I am walk through a casino in club were or fetish attire.Not with idiots like these. The odd thing is I'm toned down to alot of the GG's in the casino regardless of age.

[Stargirl]

Lowlife. Scumbags. Plankton. Desperate nobodies. Sometimes, the guys in Dockers are far more obnoxious than any "fetish" guys and girls can be. As a matter of fact, some of the fetish clubs are very emphatic about respect. They insist upon it.
Jerks like the ones you encountered would find themselves in the alleyway very quickly. I hope you have more to report about your visit. Vegas can be a lot of fun.

[KateC]

Pics of you dressed?

2 things could be going through their mind.

1. They are just regular guys asking for sex, just like asking any regular GG

2. They somehow "read" you and are into this fetish of a T-girl.

[Scotty]

Think everyone here should check with their local dojo's and take self-defense classes and practice those. Does no good to take a class and learn it once and forget it - practice practice practice...

Martial arts not only gives you the confidence to deal with issues like that, it gives you the last resort to deal with issues like that....

You can't fault men, they are who they are....

[Melissa A.]

You can't fault men, they are who they are....

Most men, in fact, the overwhelming majority of men know it's wrong to harrass, follow, touch without permission or worse. And they somehow manage to control themselves.

...And btw, how you are dressed doesnt make it any less wrong, or provide any sort of excuse.

Hugs,

Melissa:)

[VeronicaMoonlit]

You can't fault men, they are who they are....

"Boys will be boys" is not an excuse for uncouth behavior and unwelcome crude advances. That gets my feminist hackles up.

Veronica
Rondelle (Ron) Rogers Jr.

[<3 Keri Lynn <3]

Thats Vegas for you :p


*Hugs*Kisses*

[clive]

I know exactly how you feel. I get groped all the time in public. I'm a DD cup, and guys will sometimes be bold enough to walk right up and grab my boobs and ask "Wow, are those real?". I'm getting close to throwing out all the tube tops I have because people keep pulling them down because they want to know if my breasts are fake. In a weird way it's flattering, but there's better ways to go about paying someone a compliment :sad:

[Melissa A.]

I know exactly how you feel. I get groped all the time in public. I'm a DD cup, and guys will sometimes be bold enough to walk right up and grab my boobs and ask "Wow, are those real?".


That's sexual assault, and they should be arrested.

Hugs,

Melissa :)

[stephaniedoes]

i know how you feel as well i was followed and screamed at and very scared but had some liqiud courage in me and told him to go away i wasnt interested and he punched me in the face.. have ever since had a new respect of what woman go threw on most likely daily basis. i ended up calling the police and getting escorted back to my car where in fact the police were trying desperatly to get me to ride with them, i knew what they were up to as well, this was mnpls i am talking about.. so yes very scary out there.. this is one of the reasons i wont have anything to do with men...

[dilane]

I know exactly how you feel. I get groped all the time in public. I'm a DD cup, and guys will sometimes be bold enough to walk right up and grab my boobs and ask "Wow, are those real?". I'm getting close to throwing out all the tube tops I have because people keep pulling them down because they want to know if my breasts are fake. In a weird way it's flattering, but there's better ways to go about paying someone a compliment :sad:

Dang, the troll alarm just went off again!! What a distraction ...

[denise413]

Sorry to hear about your troubled experiences with weirdos. True that carrying mace (and knowing how and when to use it) is not a bad idea. Your issue may have less to do with being trans and more about simply being female. Imagine how many genetic girls have to deal with similar things when out and about. Regardless, you have the right to dress however you want and be left alone. Nobody has the right to touch you unless you give them permission. If you ask to be left alone, they have to leave you alone. Anything else is harrassment and is likely to be illegal. You should not have to dress a certain way or do anything special just to please (or avoid) others. Be yourself but be safe! You are probably far more experienced than I am here but from one sister to another I want you to take care of yourself and make sure that the next time you go out you have a much better time!

[TxKimberly]

ROFL I can only imagine how uncomfortable that must have been.
Having met you, I have no trouble picturing you in this interaction. I love the "Remove your hand or I will" attitude.

[Nicki B]

Thats Vegas for you :p

:eek: Absolutely NOT, IME...




I know exactly how you feel. I get groped all the time in public. I'm a DD cup, and guys will sometimes be bold enough to walk right up and grab my boobs and ask "Wow, are those real?". I'm getting close to throwing out all the tube tops I have because people keep pulling them down because they want to know if my breasts are fake. In a weird way it's flattering, but there's better ways to go about paying someone a compliment :sad:


That's sexual assault, and they should be arrested.

It's far more common to get women doing that to you, than men?

[dilane]

Hi Niya,

Yeah, that kind of takes the fun out of the experience, having to worry about being pawed.

I wonder if that's one of the unintended consequences of legalized prostitution? My parents told me that people would be standing public places saying "Want a girl, I can get you one" in 'Vegas. Haven't been there for more than a drive thru, so I can't vouch for that.

There is or was a club called 7969 in LA that was famous for being the place to hook up with working girls. I got pawed more than once in there, and never went back. It too was a "free sex" zone.

-- Diane

[Niya W]

Well the issue is not one that most of you would readily think of . I'm a big girl and I know. But I'm cute and I don't carer about being big. Some men think that big girls give it up easier.
Then there are men that like bigger girls. I've found that if I am in a straight place that has Latin or black men I'll be the one that gets hit on.

[Nicki B]

I wonder if that's one of the unintended consequences of legalized prostitution?

The last time it happened to me was in Manchester (that's Manchester, England)


Some men think that big girls give it up easier.
Then there are men that like bigger girls.


Definitely tall girls are a big turn on, for some.. :rolleyes:

[clive]

That's sexual assault, and they should be arrested.

Hugs,

Melissa :)

Usually a nice slap or a knee to the crotch works just fine ;) They're usually drunk to begin with anyway.

[MichelleBolton]

Niya,

Sorry to hear that happened to you girl.. I didn't have anything like that happen in Vegas on the trip. Boys will be boys, and I know we shouldn't have to expect things like that from men, it does happen.

I hope the rest of the trip was excellent for you, I had a great time, and it was nice to meet you!

Hugs Girl,

Michelle

[Niya W]

Oh I had fun. :) I always have fun. Next time I'll have to drive so I can pack more stuff. IT was nice meeting you to hun.

[morgan pure]

There was a time when I'd say, "$100 and buy me an eight-ball." And go with them.

[Niya W]

Pics of you dressed?

2 things could be going through their mind.

1. They are just regular guys asking for sex, just like asking any regular GG

2. They somehow "read" you and are into this fetish of a T-girl.

Wat I was wearing

[Scotty]

"Boys will be boys" is not an excuse for uncouth behavior and unwelcome crude advances. That gets my feminist hackles up.

Veronica
Rondelle (Ron) Rogers Jr.

Agreed on that one - in this society however they WILL act like that and with TG"s I've seen it go very violent as they think they can own you or something....not from experience mind you just that they treat TG's as less of a person....

So because boys will be boys, one should take appropriate measures.

I have a couple of small 9mm's I can carry - am fully trained (and train others)....I study Martial Arts, and use common sense....but that still may not prevent something, it just puts the odds in my favor.

[kellycan27]

I was born in Las Vegas, and have lived most of my life here. Things like that are the exception not the rule. Sometimes people get carried away..not an excuse,just fact. Prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas. There are places in Nevada where it is.. but Las Vegas is not one of them.As a matter of fact the police here come down hard on prostitutes, and the johns who patronize them.

[Niya W]

What shocked me was the guy that wanted to come back to my room was hotel staff. Some times what you get are idiot tourist that think cause they are not home they can do any thing. I know hooking is illegal in Clark county. As for the idiot on the dance floor. I've had guys do that to me at home. As for the two guys that asked how much, once again think that's a case of a tourist acting like an idiot cause they are away from home . I'm not knocking Vegas.


It's just some time I seem to be a magnet for these guys. I could be in a group of girls and be the only one that does not like guys, and I'm the one the guy wants to hit on.

[kellycan27]

What shocked me was the guy that wanted to come back to my room was hotel staff. Some times what you get are idiot tourist that think cause they are not home they can do any thing. I know hooking is illegal in Clark county. As for the idiot on the dance floor. I've had guys do that to me at home. As for the two guys that asked how much, once again think that's a case of a tourist acting like an idiot cause they are away from home . I'm not knocking Vegas.


It's just some time I seem to be a magnet for these guys. I could be in a group of girls and be the only one that does not like guys, and I'm the one the guy wants to hit on.

I know you were not knocking Las Veags. I was addressing something that someone else said in regards to prostitution...
And the problem with being a girl that guys like to hit on is what? lol.. Just kidding, I know what you are saying.

[denise413]

"Boys will be boys" is not an excuse. Whatever happened to boys growing up to become men and better yet gentlemen? It is an assault to touch someone without their permission. If a stranger touches me in a sexual area without my consent, depending on my mood at best they will be pushed away and at worst they are going to the hospital. If this is a hotel staff member they should be fired.

[kellycan27]

Agreed on that one - in this society however they WILL act like that and with TG"s I've seen it go very violent as they think they can own you or something....not from experience mind you just that they treat TG's as less of a person....

So because boys will be boys, one should take appropriate measures.

I have a couple of small 9mm's I can carry - am fully trained (and train others)....I study Martial Arts, and use common sense....but that still may not prevent something, it just puts the odds in my favor.

I don't know where you live,but here in Nevada, the law only allows the use of reasonable force to protect yourself. If you shoot someone for grabbing your ass or gropping you. You might very well end up in a place where it and more would become part of your daily routine. Even if you felt that your life was in imminent danger.. you'ed be hard pressed to prove it if the assailent was unarmed. People who advocate carrying weapons because they are afraid... make me afraid. Macho Macho Mannn ....I want to be a Macho.... Man
:heehee:

[Scotty]

I don't know where you live,but here in Nevada, the law only allows the use of reasonable force to protect yourself. If you shoot someone for grabbing your ass or gropping you. You might very well end up in a place where it and more would become part of your daily routine. Even if you felt that your life was in imminent danger.. you'ed be hard pressed to prove it if the assailent was unarmed. People who advocate carrying weapons because they are afraid... make me afraid. Macho Macho Mannn ....I want to be a Macho.... Man
:heehee:

I don't carry a weapon because I am afraid - I am only 12 months out from making black belt - I have confidence in myself.

I carry one because it levels the playing field, *IF* I require it. It brings it to conversation - if a person wants to make a victim out of you - you can say NO. Without it you become a victim and that's what cops generally respond to - victims of crimes.

I am fully trained instructor of firearms, have been shooting competition my entire life.

If it's between my kid not seeing me and someone that wants their jollies at knifepoint or gunpoint I can at least level the playing field.

You may disagree with that or be an anti-gun person but there's nothing macho about it. It's a small weapon capable of accomplishing the job if it is required - and it would only be used as a last resort - a last resort many people don't get.

Now I don't carry it just everywhere either and I am very discreet but I believe 100% in my right to protect my life.

[Sammy777]

Without it you become a victim and that's what cops generally respond to - victims of crimes.

I'm for guns, I shoot guns. But I don't carry and I never will.
If you use that Elliot Ness - If they bring a knife you bring a gun mentality in the real world one thing is for sure.
Yes the cops will be responding to a call from a victim and that "victim" will be the drunken grab ass happy jackass with a bullet wound. Not you.
Not to mention on top of being arrested, and most likely charged with a crime, when all is said and done that same jackass will end up sueing you for 287 million dollars for pain and suffering. Ya - welcome to the new ambulance chasing politically correct sue happy America.

PS: I don't care who started it or why. If you pull a gun for any reason and the person you point it at does not ALREADY have a gun in there hand threatening you. You are on the losing side of that agruement as far as police are concerned. All the time, every time, unless you are carrying a badge.

[kellycan27]

I am not anti gun at all. I am anti making silly statements about carrying a gun.
the thread was about getting gropped and having people make inappropriate comments...Not shoot outs on the dance floor. and I stick by my statement that people who are paranoid enough to feel that they have to carry a gun for protection...........still scare me.

[denise413]

If people carrying guns scare you, then that is on you. Unfortunately, we live in the real world where there are dangerous people. While guys trying to grope or touch you inappropriately would usually warrant no more than a verbal command to stop, a quick shove away, and at worst getting sprayed with mace, that doesn't mean there aren't worse people out there. Some of the same guys who think it is perfectly ok to grab someone's behind might also be past sex offenders who have spent time in prison who are willing to follow you home and then try to rape you. I don't think it is good to be paranoid but it is foolish to be oblivious also. Be aware of your surroundings and be prepared to handle dangerous people when and if they come. Carrying a gun is a personal decision. I doubt the mods want to turn this into a gun debate so I'm just leaving it there.

[Tommie T.]

the hell with the mace.A Colt gov.model .45 or Smith &Wesson mdl.19 in .357 is what deters scum bags.Oh forgive me thats not PC-the old Marine in me is showing through!

[Scotty]

Yes the cops will be responding to a call from a victim and that "victim" will be the drunken grab ass happy jackass with a bullet wound. Not you.

That's a pretty wild assumption I would shoot a grab ass happy drunk....
And I was a cop also many years ago, did I forget to mention that?

I think I was too femme to be a cop in the manly mans world...never could stand the type A personalities..

I train 3-4 days a week in martial arts and can handle any grab ass happy drunk - I'm talking when someone pulls a knife on you what are you going to do just surrender your body and go home crying as a victim?

So back on topic:

And now people talking about carrying mace - I have seen at least 3 deaths as the result of mace (Not pepper spray but actual mace) - and unless you train with it just carrying it becomes MORE of a liability because you have to hit the person, not everyone is succeptable to it (ESPECIALLY IF They are of hispanic origin - they tend to have an immunity to it and no disrespect to any hispanic persons is intended - it's fact)....and then it gets taken from you and you get bent over and raped - no thanks - never carried C/S, Mace or any other liquid.

And those people scare me because they spray everyone - not always the bad guy either....

[Sammy777]

I would shoot a grab ass happy drunk
did I mention that I think I was femme
I train 3-4 days a week in just surrender your body and go home crying

So back on topic:
I tend to get bent over and raped ....

Wow - I guess I can take comments out of context too. :lol2:
I feel no need to discuss this further. We're done here.

[Niya W]

Well this thread has been crapped all over. Time to close this thread.

[Zenith]

...not everyone is succeptable to it (ESPECIALLY IF They are of hispanic origin - they tend to have an immunity to it and no disrespect to any hispanic persons is intended - it's fact)

Huh? Mace is pepper spray...and WTF? Hispanic people are immune? Why is that? Show me a reference...:straightface:

[Sharon]

Seeing how the thread creator has requested the thread be closed and I can see no reason to disagree....