Experts on Crossdressing percentages

[pattyv]

If we believe the so-called experts who say that 98% of crossdressers are straight, and the other 2% are gay, then where does that leave me if I am bi and a crossdresser? Woe is me-no % left to play with.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt in your philosophy.Shakespeare.

[Mistybtm]

I am with you bi also we are the uncounted # LOL :brolleyes:

[Miranda09]

you're in a category all your own... :) Don;t believe all the statistics you read. They can be made to express any trend.

[Annie D]

You are part of the 100% of the crossdressers, just like the rest of us whatever our orientation. Experts try to put each of us somewhere and this is where you belong.

[Miranda-E]

If we believe the so-called experts who say that 98% of crossdressers are straight, and the other 2% are gay, then where does that leave me if I am bi and a crossdresser? Woe is me-no % left to play with.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt in your philosophy.Shakespeare.

In my research and counciling people it seems closer to 60% straight, 40% gay/bi.

[Evelyn74]

I am bi also. I guess we are odd.

[Sarah...]

I am bi also. I guess we are odd.

I'm not odd. I'm as normal as the rest of them.:D

Sarah...

[Evelyn74]

Sarah not to pry but straight or bi? I understand if you say none of your buisness.

[Gabrielle Hermosa]

If we believe the so-called experts who say that 98% of crossdressers are straight, and the other 2% are gay, then where does that leave me if I am bi and a crossdresser? Woe is me-no % left to play with.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt in your philosophy.Shakespeare.

I'm sure if you do some more research, you'll find some published study that takes bi crossdressers into account.

Part of the problem may be that most of the published research was only intended to display straight vs. straight crossdressers. They may have either not been concerned about bi, or simply grouped it together with gay for the purposes of the study.

Based just on what I read in this forum, there seems to be plenty of bi crossdressers. I'm pretty sure you'll have no trouble identifying and chatting with them if that is what you're really seeking. In the end - what do the percentages matter if you're just looking for some friends who get it? :)

[Super Amanda]

Verrrrry eeeenteresting....

You know, I always thought of myself as straight. I never have been attracted to men, but then again, I have never been strongly attracted to anyone sexually.

But now that I know that transitioning is what I must do, I admit that I am not as sure as I once was.

I don't know what it will be like if a guy finds me attractive and is treating me like a lady. I must say that I never really thought about it when I was closeted. I don't know if I will be attracted back or not, honestly, but I'm not going to rule out any possibility's.


Back to the point... when I thought I was simply a crossdresser, I felt like I was certainly, strictly straight. But as time passed, and I learned more about myself, I see that the world is not so black and white.

I know it's not necessarily true, but IMO, the people who scream out "I'M STRAIGHT!" seem more like the ones with issues......

[pattyv]

I'm sure if you do some more research, you'll find some published study that takes bi crossdressers into account.

Part of the problem may be that most of the published research was only intended to display straight vs. straight crossdressers. They may have either not been concerned about bi, or simply grouped it together with gay for the purposes of the study.

Based just on what I read in this forum, there seems to be plenty of bi crossdressers. I'm pretty sure you'll have no trouble identifying and chatting with them if that is what you're really seeking. In the end - what do the percentages matter if you're just looking for some friends who get it? :)

Hi Gabrielle: Enjoyed you remarks. I wrote my post-tongue-in-cheek.I guess my humour did not surface. However a lot of truth is spoken in jest!!

[Gabrielle Hermosa]

Hi Gabrielle: Enjoyed you remarks. I wrote my post-tongue-in-cheek.I guess my humour did not surface. However a lot of truth is spoken in jest!!

Oh, sorry. lol

My initial response was going to be a joke, but I changed it to a serious one just in case.

I was originally going to say:

Bi cd's are like Asians in ethnic statistics. The statisticians don't care about Asians - only blacks and whites. :heehee:

Just in case - THAT'S A JOKE, PEOPLE. For the record, I heard it from an Asian stand-up comedian... who's name eludes me now.

[tricia_uktv]

We are all born bi. Its society that makes us straight or gay!

[kaitlin]

I think this will be a big 0%! (haha) I am also in this group!

[sandra-leigh]

If we believe the so-called experts who say that 98% of crossdressers are straight, and the other 2% are gay, then where does that leave me if I am bi and a crossdresser?

The studies define cross-dressers as people who possess certain attribute or behave certain ways. As far as the studies are concerned, being bi disqualifies you from being a cross-dresser. You fall outside of the study all-together.

(Wish I was kidding on this, but I get the impression that it is all too close to the truth.)

[sterling12]

Well, as a kid I always insisted that I wear one red stocking, and one blue one. Guess that makes me "biSoxual." Do we get a separate category?

Actually, I think the numbers of bisexuals among the entire transgendered community is pretty high. Most of the "straight ones," after you talk to them for a while, will often admit to bisexual fantasies.

The great problem with trying to interpret such anecdotal information? "If your femme on the inside and you like guys....does that make you straight or gay?" "Or, if you like women, and your a woman on the inside...are you a lesbian or a Transman?"

These are all behaviors that people are usually not truthful about, especially in a survey. Even if we got the numbers right, it's all subjective when we try to figure out someone's "persuasion." So.....don't believe everything you read, especially about us. Most researchers are not part of our community and don't have a clue about "The Real Us."

Peace and Love, Joanie

[pattyv]

The studies define cross-dressers as people who possess certain attribute or behave certain ways. As far as the studies are concerned, being bi disqualifies you from being a cross-dresser. You fall outside of the study all-together.

(Wish I was kidding on this, but I get the impression that it is all too close to the truth.)

I wrote my post tongue-in-cheek. I am also wawre that a lot of truth is spoken in jest. No need to be so serious.

[pattyv]

Well, as a kid I always insisted that I wear one red stocking, and one blue one. Guess that makes me "biSoxual." Do we get a separate category?

Actually, I think the numbers of bisexuals among the entire transgendered community is pretty high. Most of the "straight ones," after you talk to them for a while, will often admit to bisexual fantasies.

The great problem with trying to interpret such anecdotal information? "If your femme on the inside and you like guys....does that make you straight or gay?" "Or, if you like women, and your a woman on the inside...are you a lesbian or a Transman?"

These are all behaviors that people are usually not truthful about, especially in a survey. Even if we got the numbers right, it's all subjective when we try to figure out someone's "persuasion." So.....don't believe everything you read, especially about us. Most researchers are not part of our community and don't have a clue about "The Real Us."

Peace and Love, JoanieHi Joanie: Loved your reply. Actually I wrote the post tongue-in-cheek. My humour failed to manifest itself.I am,however, delighted with the response. I'm new in town, and am enjoying the population immensely. Peace and Love.
Laura.

[Kate Simmons]

The problem is that real people buck the percentages. Any "stats" by experts are useless from that perspective.:)

[Evelyn74]

I feel that society as a whole likes gender lines an bi messes with there graph. What you like apples and organes you can not do that pick one. I feel that you do not pick the food you like or dislike. So how could you pick what makes you sexualy happy. I feel all should be free to expore with out hatered or fear. Hugs

[trannie T]

There are no accurate numbers on the percentage of crossdressers in society. There are no accurate numbers on the percentage of gays and bisexuals in society. With this lack of information determining the number of bisexual crossdressers is impossible.

[Pauline Lauren]

LOL OK, well I actually read this thread and was a little relieved. I too had seen the quotes about almost all CDs being straight and wondered how there could be so few bisexual CDs. So I was thinking, even amongst crossdressers I am an oddball since I am bisexual. Kinda nice to see that it isn't apparently true. It didn't ring true, based on my own experiences. I would think the split would at least be more similar to the general population.

>>>hugs<<<

Pauline

[Nicki B]

I wrote my post tongue-in-cheek. I am also wawre that a lot of truth is spoken in jest. No need to be so serious.

Don't believe everything you read.. ;)

[LilSissyStevie]

Although I'm straight I'm still a little queer.:heehee:

[Linda Laman]

From all the various surveys I have seen, about 2 out of 3 crossdressers are straight and the rest either bi or gay. But then who is counting all the CDs hiding in closets? I am straight and one of my closest CD friends is gay. Really, who cares? We are people who love to crossdress and explore our feminine side, and that is what binds us together.

[MarinaTwelve200]

Hetros usually crossdress for sexual turn on reasons, fetishes, etc. But of course there are other reasons people crossdress, BOTH hetro and gay (and bi) that have nothing to do with sexual turn-ons, such as "Taboo tripping" "highs", Stress releif, 'identity based mind games", S/M Humiliation, etc.
So there are plenty of other reasons that Gay guys may also crossdress even if they feel no attraction for women or the "magic" associated with them.

Mind you, that some hetro CD might also be based on some of these things---depends on the person.

In THEORY, it DOES appear that CD would be an overwhelminly Hetro thing, as it makes little sense for a guy who is attracted to MEN and manly things to want to crossdress. (save for true transsexuals of course), but it seems to ME from experience that nearly evry CDer I see in public IS GAY.---Something aint right here, unless we are considering VERY large numbers of Hetro CDs, most of who are in the closet.
Do we only notice GAY CDs, because gays are the only ones who "dont give a damn" who knows, and are more public about it, or all the theories and numbers suggested by the 'experts" simply bogus?

[denese013]

Sometimes figures lie and liars figure.

[Katrina26cd]

I guess I am Bi.


I have had a sexual experience with a man before and allthough I liked it I am not attracted to 99% of men.

I like feminine things including women.

A Cder is a huge turn on for me and I would love to be in a realationship with one. But I love my wife very much

[Charla McBee]

I've heard before from experts that a lot more people are at least a little bi then ever realise it so they probably just lump you into the straight category.

[Samantha Kelsey]

I think we should look at the big picture here.
CDs =98% straingt 2% gay fill in the numbers below and you may find the figures are very much the same.

Westeners = ...% straight ... Gay
Easteners = ...% straight ... Gay
Black = ...% straight ... Gay
White = ...% straight ... Gay
Doctors = ...% straight ... Gay
and what ever other categories you can think of.
Crossdressing is no more linked to gayness than any other activity.

[sandra-leigh]

Crossdressing is no more linked to gayness than any other activity.

You have made a statement of fact. "P has no correlation to Q" is a statement of fact, not a statement of opinion. An opinion would look like "In my opinion, P has no correlation to Q".

So, having made a statement of fact, I ask you now to prove the fact. How do you know this fact to be true? Careful study of scientific literature (which you will provide citations for?) Direct experience? Linguistic analysis that establishes that the concepts are completely orthogonal? Divine Revelation?

[DianneRoberts]

We are 100% individuals.


:2c:

[TGMarla]

Who gives a rip? Just be yourself and don't worry about the numbers. As for me, I'm sweating about how many southwest suburban white male heterosexual semi-closeted transgendered 5'9" right-handed crossdressers there are in my demographic who wear a size 10! Oh, my! :eek:

[battybattybats]

Lots of peoples quote numbers. But its important to know where the numbers come from because some sources are reliable and some are rubbish.

And just cause we can't count everyone doesn't mean we cant get decent data. Otherwise never take any medicine and never visit any doctor, never enter a building and never use any technology, because all those things rely at least to some extent with working off sample sets of data or small sets of data. Yes the more counted the better the data, the more accurate. But if you need everyone counted before you trust a stat never trust a chemist or doctor or engineer etc.

As for this stat.. where'd it come from? Which experts? Which study/ies?

Once we know the source we can look at criticisms of the study or flaws in it.

[TSchapes]

that 78% of all statistics are made up?

-Tracy

[Toni_Lynn]

that 78% of all statistics are made up?
-Tracy

A very good point humoursly made --- which goes to a a much truer point -- statistics are used (even a lot around here) for the benefit of those making a point and can actually have no real basis in reality. It wouldn't surprise me that, given a carefully worded question we could show support even the most atrocious of any of the world's persecutions of a people.

One need only look at the (and forgive me as this is widely off topic) referenda used in Canada for Quebec separatism as well as what was called The Clarity Act, an attempt to clear up ambiguity in the question used as well as what the answer means. The net result is that even though the Quebec nationalists have not succeeded the question gets asked over and over again and will continue to be until they (the separatists) get the answer they want.

In sum, don't let anyone make you feel excluded based on their conclusions -- you am what you am

Huggles

Toni-Lynn

[NoraTV]

I guess I am part of the 0% as well...

[mindfulperson]

I'm just wondering where did these statistics come from? im not sure that these are the exact statistics because I have a feeling that they will change in a year and say "we were wrong" just my two cents

[MarinaTwelve200]

I think we should look at the big picture here.
CDs =98% straingt 2% gay fill in the numbers below and you may find the figures are very much the same.

Westeners = ...% straight ... Gay
Easteners = ...% straight ... Gay
Black = ...% straight ... Gay
White = ...% straight ... Gay
Doctors = ...% straight ... Gay
and what ever other categories you can think of.
Crossdressing is no more linked to gayness than any other activity.

The number is most likely 3.5%---one 'standard deveation'----This percentage shows up a lot in nature, math and science as the usual "exception to the rule" or "anomaly rate" in systems that susposedly "follow rules" such as biology, chemical reactions, etc.--but NOTHING is perfect in the real world.

Sex, for example, is designed to be either "male " or "female"---thats how the biological system is set up, but it works properly only 96.5 percent of the time. This principle holds true for the size of beans, The percentage(3.5%) of the criminal vs law abiding population, the number of AIDS patients who are not Gay or drug users, and many many other situations that we have numbers for.

Any deveation greater than 1% and less than 10% is most likely 3.5%. Nature just seems to favor certian sets of percentages. 96.5 vs 3.5% and 80 vs20% are quite common as are any of the other standard deveation values in statistics.

[Janet Bern]

I understand from most of my reading that 20% of men crossdress in some way or another. Of that 20% I understand that 80% are straight which leaves 20% of them bi. Janet

[Kitty Sue]

I try not to worry about the percentages much. In this world I would be considered bi. Overall I just try to be me. I do best not worrying about labels.

[deja true]

Can I be a non-standard deviation?

:strugglin:

[Christina Horton]

think about this before you put up another stat. Second hand smoke is twice as bad as first hand smoke is. That's acording to the people againest smoking.


Second hand smoke is 1/10 as bad as first hand smoke. Acording to tobaco co.

It all depends on who's paying for the study. I prob have the stat wrong but you get the idea.

Stats don't mean anything in the Long run. I'm stright but aside form my girl friends who cares eh.

So why arugue.

Why can't we all just ...... Get along!!!!

[battybattybats]

The number is most likely 3.5%

Well in the Tiwi Islands, part of Australia with an Idiginous TG tradition that is being reclaimed the figure is 4% of the population and growing.

Here's some recent UK stats showing a growing trend http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/LGBTSummit/LGBThealthsummit2008.pdf

[Gizmo, Debbie]

When it comes to "experts" and statistic i don't believe them. Everybody know that 90% of stats are made up on the spot.:heehee:

[Nadia-Maria]

In my research and counciling people it seems closer to 60% straight, 40% gay/bi.


Yes I have got the same kind of figures from various surveys.
Even more like 55% / 45% from the latest countings, according to my own definition of being straight/bi/gay.

In such polls, the big problem you are facing is about any ACCURATE DEFINITION of being straight/bi/gay.
Many people don't agree about it. If you let everybody decide for themselves - without a specific warning - they can choose a wrong option.

For instance if a TGirl has had in her life 3000 intercourses with women, and only 3 with other TGs - and has by far preferred the latter ones - would you tell she is :

- a straight man ?
- a bisexual man ?
- a lesbian Twoman ?
- a straight crossdresser ?
- a gay ?
- etc.


Whenever an accurate definition - of what you are trying to count - is not given together with the question form, the answers lack any reliability.

That's why some people might think : "stats are always lying".

There are no "lying stats", just uncompetent people trying using them, and unproper conclusions drawn by silly number-crunchers.

[Prissy Linda]

When I was in college I was required to take one semester of Statistics for my choosen major, One of the very first statements the instructor said " you can say anything you want and back it up with statistics" So depending on what your motive is, statistics can seem to reflect what is percieved as the truth. Some people will believe anything that is written no matter the source.

So, where did the "experts" come up with these statistics? Did they actually ask CD's if they are Straight, Gay or Bi? How reliable is that? Lets face it, CD's have been known to LIE. They lie to their spouse or S.O. by omitting the fact that they like to dress like women, They lie to themselves about the reasons they dress. So what is to keep them from lying about their sexuality when answering a survey, does answering Straight make it less taboo?

Ok, so there might be a larger number of CD's who are straight. How many of us who have encountered other straight CD's been hit on in a sexual manner?
Are there statistics on how many CD's visit internet sites looking at other CD's in various form of undress and are secretly aroused.

I am Bi

[Christinedreamer]

Since all the stats quoted by the so-called experts rely solely on anecdotal evidence provided by individuals in interview based 'studies" there can be no empirical method of accurately cataloging and compiling the stats with zero possibility of error.

In other words, these stats are only as reliable as the honesty of those being "statted"

I would also proffer that since most CDers (another quantitive assumption) do not crossdress 100 % of the time, then a new term should be coined for them.

[Renihoward]

I am just SEXUAL....not bi.....not straight...not gay.

I love sex.

[Ralph]

In my research and counciling people it seems closer to 60% straight, 40% gay/bi.

I'm guessing you aren't seeing a random, representative sample of the whole population. Poll 1000 Baptists and you'll get a totally different percentage than you might with 1000 bikers, or 1000 counseling clients, or 1000 used car salesmen.

[Empress Lainie]

Since there is no way to know actually what is the percentage of a country's population that is:

Male CD
Female CD (that's a laugh - 100% of the female population!)
MtF
FtM
TV (however that differs from CD!)
TS (which may or may not be 24/7 MtF's and FtM's and may or may not include both pre and post ops)
TG (officially covers all of the above anyway!)

It is equally impossible to know:
what percent of any of the above is:
hetero (for people none of the above)
gay including lesbian (for any of the above or other people)
bi for any population group.

My the US Census really needs to get on the ball and find out this stuff!

But look: an mtf pre-op having sex with another mtf pre-op
is physically having gay male sex, but personally having lesbian sex.

an mtf pre-op having sex with a gg woman is personally having lesbian sex, but physically having heterosex.

an ftm pre-op and top post-op having sex with a gg woman
is having lesbian physical sex and personal heterosex.

Etc. It is totally confusing to everyone but the tg community, and may be to us too. Do you go only by your presenting sex or the equipment you have to use?

Me, I considered myself lesbian! before I even knew I was transexual, guess I knew subconsciously. But as time goes by, I could see myself as bi, I think, but I doubt if ever only (me)F with a male and hetero only.

[sandra-leigh]

There are perfectly good ways to know actually what is the percentage of a country's population that is:

Male CD (I've given the figures and sources above)

So you cited two sources. So what? I could cite 3 sources easily that completely disagreed with your two sources. And you know that. Where would you be then? Why should we trust the sources you cite over all of the other conflicting sources?

You give some clues in the first part of your posting, but you fail to follow through in the second part of your posting. Perhaps you know how to recognize a "leading question" with hidden bias in a statistical survey, but have you given the Empress anything real to go on to help her evaluate surveys herself? No. You appealed to "I already told you -- look in this survey if you don't believe me!" The part of your posting that you addressed to the Empress was, in my opinion, written in a way that it would tend to turn people off of learning and legitimate inquiry. Why, after all, would anyone who trusted your words ask any further questions when we already have your assurance that the question has been answered definitively by so-and-so ? It's only the people whom you irritated (or whom ignored you) that are likely to ask real questions.



I'm very saddened by the cynicism and anti-science being displayed here.

Science doesn't advance by people taking other people's word for thing: science advances by people challenging assumptions and looking to see if there are other interpretations or other facts that can be incorporated -- and science advances by scientists being cynical enough about how science is actually being done these days to ask questions about "What aren't they telling us? Did they leave out any 'inconvenient truths'? Did they have an agenda? Were they being pushed to produce a particular answer? Were they short on human and financial resources and interdisciplinary contacts and so came up with the best they could in the circumstances but the real truth is something somewhat different?"

How many scientists employed by tobacco companies "proved" that "Smoking does not cause lung cancer"? Do you remember the lawsuits not so long ago in which it was shown that the tobacco companies actively manipulated or buried scientific reports so that only the conclusions they could live with would come out?

Cynicism of modern corporate science is a good thing.


To clarify a potential point, so that my points do not get dismissed as "anti-science" or as being from someone uninformed: I work for a world-famous scientific body (scientific programmer), and I see how real-world science is done, every day -- and regularly see how "old-school" "for the sake of knowledge; for the good of man-kind" science is perverted and dismissed (for a variety of reasons.)

I see modern science from the inside -- and although you may believe what you posted, IMHO it is quite misleading about what science actually is and what is and is not possible (other than in a theoretical sense perhaps.) We do not do anyone any good when we pretend that science and statistics do have all the answers and you just have to cite the right magic study.

[Empress Lainie]

http://www.google.com/search?q=per+cent+transexuals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Here are a number of studies. I was surprised at the figure that 5% of the world's population will be transexual, a prediction by a russian seer on Pravda.ru

Does that include the interior of Africa and Tibet?:eek:

1.15) How many transgenderists are out there?

There are no actual statistics on the numbers of transvestites, transsexuals, or intersexuals in the world at large. Due to the nature of transgenderism, a accurate count cannot be made. The estimated ratio of MTF transsexuals to genetic males is between 1:2000 and 1:80,000. The estimated ratio of FTM transsexuals to genetic females is between 1:2000 and 1:125,000.
Researchers estimate that the percentage of men who have crossdressed is quite high, perhaps as high as 50 percent. Female crossdressers are comparatively uncommon (crossdressing meaning someone who dresses in male clothes and attempts to look male.) (I can't believe this, where does that person writing this live? in Antarctica?)

There are numerous other unverified statistics floating around in the world, such as:


less than 1% of all people saying they are transsexual ever have SRS
7-12,000 sex changes have been performed in the US, half of them MTF
there are 4 times as many MTF transsexuals in Europe as there are in America
90 percent of all transvestites and transsexuals live in large cities

This is from the FAQ of the page cited above. Much much more is there. This is old information for they cited DSM III.

[Empress Lainie]

What is transsexualism?




One in 10,000 men and one in 30,000 women are born transsexual.
Unlike transvestites, who cross-dress occasionally for fun or sexual kicks, transsexuals feel trapped in the wrong body.
One Dutch study believes the condition is caused 'by an imbalance of the sex hormones that affect the brain's development in the womb at six to nine weeks. This research showed that one small part of a male-to-female transsexual brain is physiologically the same as that of a woman, while the brains of gay and straight men are identical.

From Dr. Russell Reid Hillingdon Hospital London

[maid phylis]

i am with all the girls that are crossdressers and bi.i knew from the moment that i started to dress fully that i was bi.and i love being both.:love:phylisanne

[PrincessTia]

I am in that middle ground as well. I'm bi-curious, and many of my CD fantasies involve a man (though, they will probably remain fantasies as I have no wish to hurt my wife).

Tia

[bobi jean]

my personal point of view, 99.9%, if not 100%, of the surveys taken concerning crossdressing, are written for, either entertainment purposes, or educational purposes. The educational surveys are done by students that have a tendency to put things off until the last minute or end up throwing their results together to meet a schedule for the semester. First off, we crossdressers, for the most part, start in a closet, then or IF we decide to take that step out of the closet, we still remain hidden behind doors and blinds, or the darkness of night, or any number of other secretive devices for another period of time, if not for the rest of our lives. If 100% of all man kind would take the exact same survey, give 100% truthful answers to all questions asked, then maybe we would have a believable survey result of,
1. how many MTF and FTM crossdressers are there.
2. how many MTF/FTM crossdressers (of each) are "straight".
3. how many MTF/FTM crossdressers (of each) are "BI". (I AM ONE)
4. how many MTF/FTM crossdressers (of each) are Gay.
If I had taken a survey four years ago, there would have been no indication that I had ever crossdressed for anything other than Halloween,and I sure would not admitted to being Bi-sexual, now it would state that I crossdress nearly every day and that I love my time crossdressed and that I am Bi, but never before would I have admitted to such behavior.
When someone comes up with a real survey, LET ME KNOW, I'd be happy to answer all questions HONESTLY.

[Angie G]

I'm thinking it leaves you happy.:hugs:
Angie

[angela2112]

We are 100% individuals.


:2c:

I'm not

Monty Python tm :D

[sometimes_miss]

If you ask 100 'experts', you'll get 100 different answers. There are too many closeted crossdressers to know for sure what the percentages are. Besides, there are lies, damned lies, and there are statistics. Let's just say there are, like the rest of society, some of each in our group.

Amanda666 wrote:
the people who scream out "I'M STRAIGHT!" seem more like the ones with issues......
I think this is because we get very tired of being told we're gay people in denial. When the gay people that tell me this push the issue, I ask if maybe they are really straight, and if they'd only persist in heterosexual sex then they'd realize it; only then do they STFU. I understand the desire that people have to find others like themselves; I don't understand why they have to project their beliefs and emotions onto other people, and that goes for straights as well as gays.

[Gerard]

Meh. Statistics. Most people don't understand them.

And what's your source?

Especially studies like this are hard to do, it's really hard to ask the right questions. Unless you know exactly what questions were asked, and to how many people, you have no real clue if the interpretation of the results makes any sense.

[Blaire]

Ahhh sadistics.... one of my favourite subjects in university. The class textbook? "How To Lie With Statistics>"

About the only certain conclusion using statistics is that 100% of brick houses are made with bricks. :D

[jolanda_trav]

In the beginning of the 1990's a survay was done under 479 males who tended to wear womens clothes.
source in dutch (sorry girls!): http://www.lkgtent.nl/lkgtent/brochures/brochures-doc/Travestie%20een%20serieuze%20(nood)zaak.pdf)

The outcome
sexual interst in female only 61,7%
preference* for female 24,3%
no preference, read bisexual 2,1%
preference* for male 2,1%
for male only 5,3%
asexual 4,4%

[dawnmarrie1961]

Honey, if you are infact "bi" then you have no worries you can swing both ways!!!!:D

[sandra-leigh]

About the only certain conclusion using statistics is that 100% of brick houses are made with bricks. :D

Provided, that is, that one is allowed to arbitrarily redefine "brick".

A "brick face" house made with 1/4 thickness bricks as a decorative covering, is still considered a "brick house".

Using non-clay bricks including plastics, is still considered a "brick house". People have made houses out of "bricks" of compressed garbage... still considered a "brick house".

Brick was traditionally made with a lot of straw mixed in, which isn't done any more -- so a "brick" today is not the same as the "brick" of (say) 500 years ago.

[Ellen James]

It was actually the acceptance that I am a cross dresser that came first. :) As I have been working through this realization, I also came to the conclusion that I am "hypothetically bi" :o

I added the "hypothetically" because I have never actually engaged in bisexual behavior in that all of my sexual encounters have been with one other partner (at a time) and always as a male with a female partner. However, as I worked through my feelings and thoughts about cross dressing, I realized that I was also sexually attracted to at least some men (okay, so I'm picky! :battingeyelashes:) Moreover, I recognized that I was almost always sexually active only within a relationship - and for both work and personal reason I never found myself entering into any kind of close relationship with a male partner - thus the hypothetical. :o - and being in a relationship now with my female SO it seems unlikely that adjective will ever be modified! :D