Honesty

[Sharon]

What is the purpose of this forum if we can't be honest about ourselves?

I must confess that I'm at a total loss to understand why some people feel a need to fabricate stories about themselves. To me, the primary value of this forum is that it gives us an opportunity to share a bit about ourselves, and to read the trials, tribulations, and adventures of other people like us.
Aren't we losing this by creating a fictitious image of ourselves?
What good does it serve to get congratulations for something never accomplished?
What good does it do to elicit emotions from other members, sometimes even provoking heartache and tears, for something that never happened?
Is there pride to be found in boasting of falsehoods?

I don't know about the other members here, but I have been hesitant about sharing details about myself, because I'm afraid that it may sound like just another possible story. This is a shame. I wonder how many true life experiences we are missing because other members feel the same way.

The timing of this thread has been provoked by a specific thread created in the recent past, but it is something that has been on my mind for some time now.
If any of you are wondering whether I'm referring to you -- then good! That means you may be feeling guilty. Up until the past few months, I usually accepted people's stories as fact, my opinion only to be altered by irrefutable evidence. Now, unfortunately, I read every post, excepting for those members I'm very familiar with, with a skeptical eye.

I don't expect things to change because of this post. I just felt a need to vent.

[Julie York]

I know what you mean. We've been here before. I think it is a real shame that people daren't post experiences that ARE real for fear of being thought a fraud (by ME probably!). But there's been so much obvious nonsense that it isn't surprising the two get mixed up.

Remember my "Damned lies and more lies" thread?

I am a bit mystified why people post such obvious rubbish though. What's the point? It does give me a little light relief though. I like poking them with a stick now and then.

[paulaN]

sharon. all I can say is I have never posted any falsehoods. I do tend to belive every thing I read even though I know I should'nt. maybe your post will do some good.

[Sharon]

sharon. all I can say is I have never posted any falsehoods. I do tend to belive every thing I read even though I know I should'nt. maybe your post will do some good.

I doubt it Paula, but maybe for a few hours though. :)

[Marla GG]

Sharon, I hear you. This has been a pet peeve of mine ever since I started visiting CD sites and forums about 8 years ago. This forum is not nearly as bad in this regard as many others, which is a big reason why I'm here. The moderators and core members seem to be able to smell BS a mile away.

I find it really helpful, and inspirational, to read true stories posted by members who have had the courage to do things that Angel and I have not yet done but want to. But how do I know those stories are true? I think to some extent you can tell by the way they're written. Also, I find myself trusting certain members implicitly because their sincerity shines through in their posts and makes me believe, without ever having met them, that they are for real. Jules could post that she went to the White House en femme and had tea with the first lady, and I would believe every word. :D

Pictures help too. Angel and I already discussed bringing the camera on our en femme wig shopping trip next weekend, so it can be documented with pictures. It will be fun for us to have memories of the experience, and it will help add credibility when we post about it.

Thanks for voicing this concern, Sharon. I hope the day never comes when I stop visiting this forum because it gets....well, you know, how forums like this sometimes get. I personally think the best thing to do with iffy stories is not respond to them. Hopefully the poster will get the message that no one bought it. As for me, if I get one more PM saying "Dear Marla, My wife caught me dressed and now she is forcing me to wear women's clothes 24/7 as a punishment, what should I do?" I SWEAR I'LL SCREAM!

[crispy]

I totally agree with you, but we shouldn't be surprised if this forum attracts its quota of innocent dreamers, crazy nutters and the occasional malevolent lurker.

We shouldn't let it put us off our stride.

And let us not rule out the opportunity to post spoof threads that are clearly intended to take the piss out of some of the more ridiculous contributions. We are still allowed a bit of fun, I hope. :rolleyes:

I hope your real-life experiences will be recognised as such when you decide to share them with us. :thumbsup:

[FionaAlexis]

I'm afraid I'm a bit of a skeptic....even a cynic now.

Generally I will accept what is written if it's plausible and sincere but I think I'm bit wary of certain types of poster. There are always going to some who get their joy in seeing how much they can get away with and/or testing community gullibility.

They don't affect what I write or whether I post - because really I post for myself - maybe its a kind of therapy - if others take something from it then that's great.

As I've said in an earlier post I've learned a lot from trannies who've posted openly about themselves - I just wish I'd had the benefit of that knowledge years ago.


Fiona xx

[Tristen Cox]

First - you all know when I asked to be a mod in Julie's absence we were going through the worst of times here. I look out for you all, and don't like people coming here spread falsehoods to get attention or playing our heart strings. I have removed them before and I will again.

What is the point of lyiing? False realities create false security. If someone told me to jump off a bridge because it was cool to do, would I?

Folks the reason I don't lie is it's too easy to mess things up, so yeah I'm a losey liar. What these people coming here with ficticious stories don't seem to get, is we can see right through their BS and they think they are actually pulling one off on us. :rolleyes:

There are many forms of trolls. :troll:

[DonnaT]

I agree that we could do without the fiction, that's what Fictionmania (http:www.fictionmania.com) is for.

However, I don't let little things like that bother me. If people want to live in a fantasy world, so be it. I've more important things to do that worry about other folk's fantasies. And as a writer of TG fiction, who know's, maybe I'll find inspiration for another story to post to Fictionmania. :hiding:

:troll:

[alise]

I just want to give my opinion on this thread. I hope people reading my answer will understand, even if my english is quite crap.


Did the frog speak english ??????

:think:

I have been to several other site, mainly french, and stories are too often unbelievable. I think writers tries to make their dreams come thrue just by writing down their stories. Then i went here. I have been really surprised. Indeed, things are more real, opinions seems to be the result of a think, and personal experience are often believable. It's obvious that not 100% are real, that not 100% of the members are honest with the others. But anyway, i think (and really hope to be right) that what we can read here is mainly thrue.

Anyway, the more important to me is that i feel better in my life since i become member here. Thinks i'm writing are always my real opinion, my real experience. And more important, this site open me a new door to my life as Alise.

Hope my reply is not a non sens ........

[Sharon]

I agree that we could do without the fiction, that's what Fictionmania (http:www.fictionmania.com) is for.

However, I don't let little things like that bother me. If people want to live in a fantasy world, so be it. I've more important things to do that worry about other folk's fantasies. And as a writer of TG fiction, who know's, maybe I'll find inspiration for another story to post to Fictionmania. :hiding:

:troll:

Let me present a hypothetical counterpoint here.
Suppose a new and/or immature crossdresser is inspired by some outlandish story (I don't know -- maybe concerning a visit to a straight bar en femme) and ends up getting hurt, or worse, by attempting to duplicate the adventure. It would be bad enough if the original story was true, but it would be tragic if the story was the figment of someone's imagination.

[Stephanie Brooks]

Hi Sharon!

I've been burned badly in this place in the past. I can sling equations with the best, but when it comes to people I'm a total idiot. If nothing else, my BS detectors are now functioning at a rudimentary level, and I try to never take an extraordinary tale as anything but that, a tale.

That said, there are people here whom I trust at differing levels. There are many I trust highly. They can post, and based on their posts in the past, I trust them. Some I trust marginally, some I don't trust at all.

Some people sucker me in really badly when they post something that seems sincere on one level and absurd on another. (I'm still grinning over the last one, O Toothy One. Ya got me good, girl, but it's cool! ^_^ You're still a sweetie!!!!!)

Am I cynical? Nah. Am I cautious? You bet. Am I skeptical? I am more skeptical than I was when first I arrived. I share up to what I'd be willing to share with others in the general public. I've probably become more reticent in recent months, though it is a reticence born of trust and propriety than of anger and hurt.

This is a good place here with good people. We don't all agree, we're not all the same. I still like the place.

Would I want a "proper" forum? Nah. I side with Crispy on this. If it wasn't fun, what would be the point?

[Tristen Cox]

Let me present a hypothetical counterpoint here.
Suppose a new and/or immature crossdresser is inspired by some outlandish story (I don't know -- maybe concerning a visit to a straight bar en femme) and ends up getting hurt, or worse, by attempting to duplicate the adventure. It would be bad enough if the original story was true, but it would be tragic if the story was the figment of someone's imagination.
:thumbsup: Very true, that's what I meant by FALSE security. Thank you Sharon:)

[Jenny Beth]

I have to agree with Sharon in that I don't particularly want to put much about myself here because I have been skeptical about some of what I've read here since I joined. My BS radar is not tuned very high but I still tend to respond mostly to threads where people are having problems and that inevitably leads to my putting a bit about my own situation out there. It's unfortunate that there are those who play on people's emotions here but I hope it never stops me from saying what I think.

[Wendy me]

i agree with all that is said here on this thread. how manny here that get all involed in when we think someone is in need of our helpe or support...try to help out only to find out we were being scamed ....yet we are there in a heart beat the next time some one is or appears to be in trouble....on day some one is going to realy need our helpe lets hope that we don't pass that person up for fear of being scamed....

and lastly if you read that someone did something so un beliveable and think hey i can do that as well ....stop think...ask your selfe is this something i can do?? dose it just sound so un beliveable that it could not be true??? i don't want to tell you what to belive, we all have free choise ...please don't think that you always need to one up the outher person ....be happy , be causus ....and be safe.....

[Anita]

so its no good saying I went out enfemme Got the local newspaper to feature me on page 3 Men have left their millions for me and wont leave me alone Ishop in my lingerie at the local supermarket and my wife insists on buying me expensive designer clothes tying me up in them and making mad passionate love to me.
I have natural long blonde hair and a 38 24 36 natural figure . my breasts suddenly appeared without hormones and I go to work at the local wrestling club enfemme and wearing thigh high high boots and nobody has said anything
Well if you don't believe me I am going to take my helicopter and fly to Rio where my gg nymphomaniac ex model is waiting for me
I cannot understand why you are so unwilling to believe me
LOL Anita xxxx :cool:

[DanaJ]

Well, I wonder if I should post in this thread? :)

Sharon, you get the "Thread of the Day" award! On one hand, it is sometimes amusing to read some of the stories posted here, they are obviously fabrications. But I do agree, in the long run, I just wonder what their real motives are?

I have seen this happen in other forums too. One car forum I read, there is always someone claiming to have some sort of impossible supercar, while in reality they are driving their mom's minivan....

What gets me are the members that are "100% passable". They live 24/7 en femme, work en femme, go out en femme - but have no pix because they are "camera shy", or they don't know how to post a pic, or the dog ate the film. I know I sometimes ask to see pix, but hey - photos give you credibility, and are worth 1000 words :)

And you have to always read these stories with a critical eye, just take a second to think if this would happen in the real world. Sure, there is always a possibility it is true, but is it really? What are the chances?

I mean, if someone says they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart - OK, I believe them.
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, well - OK, maybe....
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, but no wig or makeup, well...... maybe not
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, but nothing else, well....no!
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, and went into the dressing room where the salesgirl came in, had a fetish for CDs, was a part-time domme, and dressed her in a leather corset, well..... hmmm, maybe I do! :D

Remember, words to live by -
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

DanaJ

[Stephanie Brooks]

I was waiting for your response DanaJ! ^_^ You are one of the few who is a great BS detector, can challenge a claim without being hurtful, will maintain the pressure when a claim isn't supported, and will yield based on a person's supporting evidence.

[Stephanie Mancini]

Having been a member here for only a few months it doesn't take a college degree to suss out that certain posts are not what they should be, certain people who post here need to start being honest with themselves and the rest of the members here, so good on you Sharon for firing a warning shot over their heads!


Steph

[Marla GG]

If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, and went into the dressing room where the salesgirl came in, had a fetish for CDs, was a part-time domme, and dressed her in a leather corset, well..... hmmm, maybe I do! :D

Hey! I'm that salesgirl! :liar:


:lol:

[Sherlyn]

Honestly Sharon you make a good point ..I find myself believing alot of the stories on here and as I am now trying just too get myself out and about ..I think hmmmm...well she just walked right in there and did this ..did that ...hmmm why can't I...then I reach the situation and I shake like a leaf ......Oh btw last night ....I got up on the dance floor ..shook my BOOOTAYYYYY and then was voted hot chic of the night ..free drinks all night long ...lol ... ugh I wish :) ...I do know there are grrls on here who do achieve this ...and I honestly believe them ... I guess for the most ..one can tell a hoax ,,,but like ...whats the point...

[Sherlyn]

Hey! I'm that salesgirl! ;)
Which Walmart :rolleyes:

[Amelie]

First off, I am in no way defending people that others thought were lying, but I do believe that there can be "cultural' differences between people. What I mean is, what might sound unbelievable to someone living in the boondocks of America, might not be so hard to believe if one lived in the East Village of NYC. I have seen many strange people out and about in the East Village and in Greenwich Village, that if they were on this forum, their stories would be taken as false. I have seen men shopping while only wearing a skirt and no wig, I have seen a bald man shopping in a dress. I have been to resturants wear I have seen topless women as customers. These are not everyday occurances, but they do happen in NYC.

I have seen on this forum a picture of someone wearing a bra and panties while shopping, I can't remember who it was, but it was on this forum, and if this person didn't post a pic, no one would have believed it.

I have been to clubs where snorting coke was common, but if it was mentioned on this forum, the rural people would not believe this. Sex was common in the bathrooms of these clubs, male/male,,male/female sex was always goinng on, but this forum would ask for something silly like pictures, not everyone takes pictures. I have been in gays bars that men have sex freely anywhere in the club, one man would walk up to another and they
would just get it on, yet, I don't think people here would believe this happens.

What I am trying to say is that there are people out there that do live a bizarre life style. There are some very strange people, especially in the Village in NYC.

Here's a twist on stories that sound unbelievable. I show this forum to my boyfriends friends, one story that comes up quite often that they have a hard time believing is: When a member on this site goes shopping for female clothes and then someone looks at them shopping and they run out of the store scared. None of my friends believe this story, yet it is a quite common tale. I try to explain to them why this could be, but they can't believe someone could be scared to buy clothes. They live their lives freely, they can't believe the stories of cowardness people on this forum tell. They think these stories are false. I do explain to them that there are others out there that do not think the same as us, that there could be people that are scared to shop for fem items, still they don't believe these stories.

My boyfriend has just told me to say, ask them for pictures when they are running out of the store so he could believe them.

Once again, I am not defending anyone, but there are bizarrre people out there, who don't always carry a camera around with them.

My opinion: I think there must be a big difference from where most members live to where I have lived, or most of you are so deep in the closet that you haven't seen the world yet.

[Sherlyn]

Amelie :My opinion: I think there must be a big difference from where most members live to where I have lived, or most of you are so deep in the closet that you haven't seen the world yet.

Amelie ...what you say I believe ..I have seen alot of this when I was on the road touring bigger cities...however in my case ...here in my area the gay and tg community is just coming out of its shell ...our club has only been around a year or less....I hope this unlocks the deep closet of my area ...

[Priscilla1018]

Sharon, I agree completely,an example is the post that I PMd you about.I have to admit that,when I see a post like that,my first instinct is to reach out and try to help.I do that for any sister because what they are asking for is help and I want to help anyone who really needs it.Yes, I do fall for some BS but I guess I would rather do that than not help a sister that really needs help.It's just my nature to help.

[mand]

Hello Sharon....................when I first came on the internet I did tend to believe what people were writting, but that did not last long at all.
However once I have read someones posts over a period of time and once I get a feel for that persons personality I do develop a trust in them and yes I believe what they are saying.
I have spoke with a number of people on this site now, by PM, Email and on the messenger and I have found that I honestly believe them, their words and their personality just comes through as being honest.
Some posts however I take very lightly indeed, wasn't it an American President who said "you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time", sorry I don't know which one it was but I'm a Limey so I have an exscuse ;) . Anyway I think the phrase applies it's self very well indeed to the internet, if someone is telling "Tall Tales" they usually slip up.

I am quite willing to be open on the forum about my gender, sexuality, personal problems, in fact anything, but there are some things that are too private to write about and even with the security of anonimity that the internet provides, they will still remain private.

I simply try to rely on my instincts to tell me who might be "streching the truth".

Excellent thread Sharon :)

love mand xxx

[Ariel]

I mean, if someone says they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart - OK, I believe them.
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, well - OK, maybe....
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, but no wig or makeup, well...... maybe not
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, but nothing else, well....no!
If they say they shopped for a skirt at Wal-Mart, while wearing a skirt, and went into the dressing room where the salesgirl came in, had a fetish for CDs, was a part-time domme, and dressed her in a leather corset, well..... hmmm, maybe I do! :D


Ok, I work at Wal mart, and I have seen some pretty wierd stuff. Men wearing thigh highs, heels, and a trench coat, and yes, nothing else (management told him that he had to leave), women wearing plastic pants (the see thru, clear kind) with a thong on under them, men wearing skirts and t shirts with bra's outside their shirt (think that was a colledge initiation type of thing, though), and more.... so yes, some of that stuff might be true (well, except for the domme thing).

I read the posts, and at some, say no way, others, I may say well, mabye some day. Curently, I don't go out in public (well, maybe my back yard, on occaision), am not 100% passable, and therefore really don't post stories (actually, I don't have any to post). But I do like to think that I have the ability to tell the difference between BS (ref thread in the past by a member talking about being on hormones, and the changes happening way to fast) and "the real thing" (pick any thread that deal with SO problems when they find out).
Like everyone else, I don't understand the reason for the false stories, though, I think there was on thread started as a joke, and I reall enjoyed that one.
Hope I didn't ramble on too long, and no offense taken DanaJ about the Wal-Mart thing, just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in.

Hugs,
Ariel

[DanaJ]

Ok, I work at Wal mart, and I have seen some pretty wierd stuff. Hope I didn't ramble on too long, and no offense taken DanaJ about the Wal-Mart thing, just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in.

Hugs,
ArielNo offense taken, hope my original post didn't offend you. From my original post:

Sure, there is always a possibility it is true..so you see, I know strange things happen in the retail world, and in urban centers too. Still, the burden of proof is on the poster, not the readers...

I might add, some posters have a style of writing that lends creedence to their stories, others contradict themselves from post to post....

DanaJ

[DragonLotus]

The members of this board put up some great discussions.

The cultural thing is valid from both sides, but overall I can see what you all mean about posters stretching the truth. I learned some exceptionally hard lesson about why some people do this, so I'l pass on this link (http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html#npd) just as an FYI (not as a judgement of anyone or even an attempt to label people who lie--because everyone has a different reason). The people discussed in the link frequent the internet more and more because it's easier for them to "work their magic" in this setting. This info has kept me out of harm's way and is the main reason I refuse to do any kind of internet dating. Period.

As for me and whether or not I'm real...I sure am. I very rarely divulge personal info but whatever I do say is honest, from my heart, and not at all designed to paint an image that doesn't exist in RL.

:D

[JoannaDees]

Ok, I work at Wal mart, and I have seen some pretty wierd stuff. Men wearing thigh highs, heels, and a trench coat, and yes, nothing else (management told him that he had to leave), women wearing plastic pants (the see thru, clear kind) with a thong on under them, men wearing skirts and t shirts with bra's outside their shirt (think that was a colledge initiation type of thing, though), and more.... so yes, some of that stuff might be true (well, except for the domme thing).

I read the posts, and at some, say no way, others, I may say well, mabye some day. Curently, I don't go out in public (well, maybe my back yard, on occaision), am not 100% passable, and therefore really don't post stories (actually, I don't have any to post). But I do like to think that I have the ability to tell the difference between BS (ref thread in the past by a member talking about being on hormones, and the changes happening way to fast) and "the real thing" (pick any thread that deal with SO problems when they find out).
Like everyone else, I don't understand the reason for the false stories, though, I think there was on thread started as a joke, and I reall enjoyed that one.
Hope I didn't ramble on too long, and no offense taken DanaJ about the Wal-Mart thing, just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in.

Hugs,
Ariel

This post is just too well written, spelling and grammar. I need proof you actually work at WalMart. Pictures please.

[JocelynG]

I will be the first to admit that I was a kind of person who would make up stories(not in this forum,but in another chatroom)about being a postop woman who was married and adopting a daughter(how corny is that) but I came to realize that I was just hurting other people and wasn't being honest with them or myself and that wasn't helping me with what I needed.It was just an outlet for a fantasy of mine but there are people here who really do need our help and look up to us for encouragement and hope,and we don't need fabricated stories that can lead to serious problems. I can tell when a story or photo is outrageously fabricated to the point that the photo is a scantly clad GG and there is no doubt it is a lie But there are some that have that gift of deception and that is what can lead to these problems that Sharon was talking about. This was a really good idea for a thread Sharon

[ChristineRenee]

Very good thread Sharon. I think the success and popularity of this site has been the honest exchange of ideas, and the commonality that we all do share despite all the diversity, cultural and otherwise, amongst us. Unfortunately, one of the more detrimental aspects of the site's popularity is that you eventually draw in the more unsavory and devious elements out there as well. I know I have been taken in by a few of these types since I have been a member here...perhaps setting aside the initial skeptical view to extend the benefit of the doubt to someone...only to end up being played for a fool in the end. Some are way more obvious than others, but we do have some pretty astute BS detectors here...DanaJ being just one that immediately comes to mind to me...that do us all a great service by calling these phonies out.

All in all the very positive aspects of this site far overshadow the negative...a tribute to all who continue to contribute positive thoughts and commentary, and to support the mods who are vigilant in maintaining the standards here that we have come to expect and to embrace.:thumbsup:

Love,
Chrissie:)

[Darlene.]

Hi all

I think the author of this thread is correct in her statement that this tread will not change anything. As for it hurting those who might be led to believe something that is false, and be hurt as a result goes. Is this forum supposed to be any different that the real world?

One can go to any length they wish to attempting to create a perfect forum. If I ever find one I would not join it because (not being perfect myself) I would ruin it.

IMO the way to help a sister is to prepare her to deal with the reality that the world consists of some people that are like this. Always has and always will. And we need to learn how to live so that we are not taken in by such stuff.

Darlene.

[Tamara Croft]

When I first joined this forum, I couldn't believe some of the stories I read. Over time you get to know what is fact and what is fiction.

For example, a person doesn't become a crossdresser one day and then get a boob job done 4 days later!!! I think most of you remember that one :rolleyes:

But like with all forums, there is always going to be one or more person that must be lonely or something and has to post stuff like that just to get relief out of their drab life (I mean that in the nicest way possible). Some post stuff like that as a cry for help, some post because they are just trolls. I take each post as I find it, if I think it's BS, I'll see just how far it goes and if it gets out of hand I'll call on it and then lock it. It's no biggy... just move on to the next post.

What does piss me off though, is members that join using other peoples pictures and passing them off as themselves. We have caught out so many of them doing it, it's a bit of a joke really and sad for them that they have to do that. But you catch them out and move on to the next one.

I do agree with what Amelie said, there are people that live extra oridinary lives that we wouldn't believe and there are things we do in our lives her friends wouldn't believe too.

Sharon this is an excellent post :hugs: to you for writing it.

And to all those that are getting ready to post the next BS post, just remember this Big Sister is watching you!!! ;)

[Tristen Cox]

You know what gets me is going out of my way to answer someone who could care less and just wants to waste my time. Makes me not want to reply to anyone that way.

I tend to give everyone a chance and be non-biased as I hope others do, without being gullable or foolish in believing everything I hear.

Honestly it takes about 100-200 posts from some here to really know about them from 'their' own words. That depends of course on if they only type a sentence at a time or type big long pages each post :D But then again you can talk a lot and say nothing. It's 'what' you say that makes the difference.

[Khriss]

yeah,,, I'll admitt it!? I posted a story which was completely fabricated,, and came entirely from my imagination...
It was in a "whats Your Fantacy ?" thread,,,,
Seems to me that theres plenty of room here to fictionalize,within a proper context.I'd agree too that BS seems more obviouse to me as time goes on ,, I sometimes wonder adout maliciouse intent or careless dissreguard in things some people post,but all in all,, I gotta say; " I used to be disgusted,, Now I'm amused !"

ps; here and otherplaces I've been ; Bad advice = Bad F***IN advice!

[Tristen Cox]

Damn you mean that wasn't real? All that time .... :-









;)

[SilkenPrincess]

Hey! I'm that salesgirl! :liar:


:lol:

Which Walmart? Inquiring minds need to know!
LOL!
Love,
SilkenPrincess

[Khriss]

oh, crapp , that post was a real story, to relate to someones similar fantacy but my point was,,,in anouther dream thread I ,,, ohhh well..you get my meaning right?

and ?/ why are my fantacy's so often linked with my femme'(not extesive enough !) wardrobe?..... i...need...help...

[Deidra Cowen]

Gawd...so any adventure or something we are excited about now falls in doubt that is posted. (unless we have pics or some proof?)I'd just submit that just because you personally have not done something or taken a chance on an adventure...don't doubt those of us posting that did decide to engage in some activity that to us is on the edge/exciting/new to do with crossdressing.

I've seen those that exagerate in other forums...but I have also seen what happens when any post or heartfelt expression is met by responses of doubt and calls for proof.

[Ashley in Virginia]

I don't really have much to add. Just wanted to hear myself talk a bit. I have pretty much quit reading posts about going outand anything other that the title strikes me as odd. I am just not interested in wondering about the amount of truth that is in it. I have better things to wonder about.

I don't mind divulging most of the things in my life, as my life is ordinary and boring. I don't know if I would tell about the extraordinary things that go on, if any ever did. I don't want people wondering about my trustworthyness (is that one word?).

[KewTnCurvy GG]

If truth were something that could be emperically proven, there weren't be bullshit in the first place. So that said, caveat internauta! (let the surfer beware). Me, myself and I, well, we're healthy cynics:D

[Sharon]

Gawd...so any adventure or something we are excited about now falls in doubt that is posted. (unless we have pics or some proof?)I'd just submit that just because you personally have not done something or taken a chance on an adventure...don't doubt those of us posting that did decide to engage in some activity that to us is on the edge/exciting/new to do with crossdressing.

I've seen those that exagerate in other forums...but I have also seen what happens when any post or heartfelt expression is met by responses of doubt and calls for proof.

You missed the entire point of what I was trying to say when I began my vent this morning, Deidre. The fault must be mine, so please forgive me.

I do not want to question everything that is posted here. I am, by nature, a very trusting, and perhaps even gullible, person. But when a member states something as fact, then comes back again and alters their story, then I am not going to feel guilty about questioning them.
This forum is not a fantasy site. That is not why I joined, and that is not what I wish to see as a moderator here.
Some whimsical stories are fine, depending on the sincere responses by other members. Even something that begins as fiction can teach us all something about ourselves. But when someone makes outlandish claims, and continues to build one lie upon another, and the responses of members indicate they see the fantasy also, then it's time to put a halt to it.
As I said in my first post, I don't expect any changes to occur because of anything I say. I just felt a need to vent, and I have been very pleased and gratified to see that most responders have understood my intent.

[Toyah]

I guess that being hurt has turned me a bit cynical (is that how you spell it). The definition of a cynic is an educated realist, take care out there and dont belive everything you see or hear. Got no probs on going off on a tangent but it must be obvious.

[Paula Rae]

Hey Ladies,

DanaJ, said it for me,
"Sharon, you get the "Thread of the Day" award!

I learned a lot today, thank you Ladies.

Ricki B

[Inredsatin]

I too have trouble with what to believe and what is someones fabrication. I visit here at least twice a day to check the threads but I dont post much. i would like to believe what is written in here and what I do read has helped me to better accept what and who I am. Bless all of you who share your REAL life experiences and shame on those who post fabrications. Just my two cents worth. It takes real courage to admit what each and every one of us is going thru, whether it be trying to come out of the closet to our families or to venture out in the real world. I applaude those who can go out. I have done it a couple of times and was scared the times I did. By reading the accounts of my fellow sisters here it is becoming easier. I feel like all of us here are a small family that we can share out most intimate accomplishments and failures without being judged.
Hugs to all and thanks
Brenda,

[JoAnnDallas]

I for one would never try to Deceive anyone with a false story. You have all seen my outing posts. Besides I'm a old Southern Girl, if you know what I mean. I have seen what I believe to be out and out false stories, but on the other hand, if one is very good at telling stories, she could get away with it. It would have to be very convining and would have to be convining in her responses from others too.

After a while, you start to notice other's Personality, and can judge if she is telling the truth or not.

[DanaJ]

Gawd...so any adventure or something we are excited about now falls in doubt that is posted. Nope, no one has said anything even close to that. We all enjoy reading member's true stories here, and no one has ever suggested Diedra that yours are not real (I think they are among the best). But I think we all have seen false stories here, and as Sharon said, sometimes these stories give false hopes to the other members....

DanaJ

[Inredsatin]

Deidra,
I too am from Atlanta and enjoy the posts you give and have seen your pics of you nights out. I only wish I had the courage to go clubbing as you seem to enjoy. Please enlighten us with more of your outings.
Hugs
Brenda

[JoannaDees]

Damn, tonight working in the yard, a 15 foot rattler came up .... I was SO scared ... then he said he's a she ... a CD snake ... I was so excited I peed my panties. Really. I have pictures, but they are sacred.

[Sierra]

Honesty is so important,my reputation,name and honnor is worth more than trying to impress someone that wont make any differance in my life with some BS.But how many of you doubt that I DO LACTATE?This is something that I dont discuss much hear,because of so little interest and after a life time of TG adventures who needs to worry about what cyber cds think.Like Ameile said just because you dont see it doesnt mean it dont happen.

[Elysia]

My only contact with other cross-dressers is through this site. I get my impressions about people who share my rare preference for cross-dressing from this site and I hope that these impressions are based in reality. One of the important things this site has done for me is reassure me that there are many cross-dressers who are wonderfully caring and decent human beings who have found ways to express themselves authentically while still managing complete and satisfying lives in the real world.

We come from many different countries and cultures so there are inevitable differences. Some stories may be quite true and yet I can not imagine them happening in my neck of the woods. Of course, there are some things that I can’t imagine which can and perhaps should happen. Before I told my wife that I’m a cross-dresser my imagination told me that her most likely reaction would be to divorce me. I’m glad I was wrong about that. My point is, I agree with the feelings expressed in this tread, finding truth here is very important. People will use the impressions that they get here as a guide for what to expect as they take steps in their personal evolution. Unfortunately, because we can never know for sure, maintaining some is skepticism equally important.

Having said that… There is nothing wrong with fantasy and imagination. I believe cross-dressers generally have powerful imaginations and that that is part of the gift. Might I suggest that we encourage people to take credit for their creativity and post their works of fiction in the Writer's Society forum?

[Jen_TGCD]

Damn, tonight working in the yard, a 15 foot rattler came up .... I was SO scared ... then he said he's a she ... a CD snake ... I was so excited I peed my panties. Really. I have pictures, but they are sacred.


See!!! This is a good example of "total fabrication" that is soooooooo obvious! Everyone knows that there are no CDs in No. California!!! :no: :-

[pinksatin]

Hi Girls,

It's been a while since I last posted here. Mainly for reasons most of you know.
Anyway I have to agree with most of you that there is a certain amount of fiction posted here. When I first started to hit chat rooms I would load it on. Then I thought who am I trying to fool. It got so I would forget what I said and oops they would get on to me. I'm older and wiser now and feel the truth seems more fanticising then lies. Does that make sense?? Anyway that's my nickles worth for now.

I love this place keep it going. HUGS

Sally Ann

[Sherlyn]

If truth were something that could be emperically proven, there weren't be bullshit in the first place. So that said, caveat internauta! (let the surfer beware). Me, myself and I, well, we're healthy cynics:D
HUH!!! ;) whats that mean ...lol :love:

[Susan Walker]

I always like to say "I believe anything as long as it doesn't matter."

Marla.....My wife caught me crossdressing and as punishment made me burn all my fem clothes and now makes me dress in dab 24/7... white cotton jockey shorts, white t-shirts, white socks, steel toed work boots,grey polyester blend work uniforms with my drab name on the pocket...oops...I forgot...I don't have a wife....nevermind.

Amilie....yes, you can see anything in NYC....as a country bumpkin I found NYC quite strange.

Also, there seems to be a lot happening at Wal-Mart. I guess I should go more often.

[umbrellagirl GG]

this is a great thread. Certainly reminds me to be a tad bit skeptical. I think I have perhaps missed some of the threads that were the impetus for this one, but I've seen what you mean on other forums too. The older I get, the more I am convinced that people lie a lot more than I ever thought. Still my BS meter doesn't work very well, which is never good for someone who makes her living as a lawyer - I should be able to smell BS!

I want you-all to know that I am what I am - and I look forward to getting to know all of you better. I'm a bit of a space cadet and that for sure will come through in PMs and posts! :D I've been converted into a "CD admirer" and I'm enjoying your forum - it's a privilege to be here. :)

Melody

(Btw, I saw the susieq thread and throughout there was the reference to "DQ" which I realize means "drag queen" but I couldn't help but continually think of Diary Queen and their Blizzard drinks! LOL. Okay sorry for the off topic paragraph here).

[Deborah]

Things i dislike in life = Liars, cheaters and thieves.

Everything i have posted since i've become a member is true to the best of my knowledge.

I sound like a lawyer now lol.

[Jen_TGCD]

Having said that… There is nothing wrong with fantasy and imagination. I believe cross-dressers generally have powerful imaginations and that that is part of the gift. Might I suggest that we encourage people to take credit for their creativity and post their works of fiction in the Writer's Society forum?


Crossdressing does have "a lot" to do with fantasy, imagination and creativity but is generally based on strong inner feelings and a personal reality, that is equally different for each of us. Motivation is another factor that varies greatly from person to person. We have a wonderful variety of members here and it adds a lot to the interest and effectiveness of this community.

When the self-centered fantasy threads come up... or the "emotional vampires" post to evoke sympathy... I actually feel saddened for those people. (What, really, is their motivation???) We all want to help... it's a feminine attribute to be nurturing and compassionate but we also have to realize that the Internet is "unmoderated". Anyone... ANYONE!!! ...... can say anything they want... and usually, wherever they want. We have no "Membership Requirements" at this forum, so the good, the bad... and the delusional, are allowed to join. It's up to us to discern if the poster is being sincere.

We, also, need to exercise some diplomacy in dealing with those types of members. It's pretty easy to trash someone that we suspect of having ulterior motives but there is a saying... "He who fights against monsters should see to it that he doesn't become one in the process." We can keep this forum a quality site without being harsh. It probably doesn't look real nice to newer members or the lurkers if we make hamburger of a "troll". (Ummmmm... Troll Burgers!!!) :eek: :D

:dead: Okay... enough!!! :p

[Tristen Cox]

(Btw, I saw the susieq thread and throughout there was the reference to "DQ" which I realize means "drag queen" but I couldn't help but continually think of Diary Queen and their Blizzard drinks! LOL. Okay sorry for the off topic paragraph here).
Thought I was the only one:D


Everything i have posted since i've become a member is true to the best of my knowledge.
LIAR! :eek:


Ok seriously though here's some good examples of dishonesty:
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10349
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5624
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5713

[Deborah]

Thought I was the only one:D


LIAR! :eek:


Ok seriously though here's some good examples of dishonesty:
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10349
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5624
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5713

LOL well if i've lied I'm sorry. Wasn't intentional.

BTW did you know that overnight i turned into a GG?
Yes!!! and i can get pregnant and everything. YEAH FOR ME!!!!!
:p :D

[Tristen Cox]

LOL well if i've lied I'm sorry. Wasn't intentional.

BTW did you know that overnight i turned into a GG?
Yes!!! and i can get pregnant and everything. YEAH FOR ME!!!!!
:p :D
COOL!

Now go ask Tamara to join the GG forum


*RUNS AWAY!* :eek:

[Deborah]

COOL!

Now go ask Tamara to join the GG forum


*RUNS AWAY!* :eek:

HEHE :D

[Angela Burke]

Sharon

This is planet earth.
Being a CD does not mean you become some sort of living saint.
We (me ) are human, and subject to the foibles of being one.
Read and write to the forum.
But have a large pinch of salt with you when you do!

Love
Angela xx

[Toyah]

Things i dislike in life = Liars, cheaters and thieves.

Everything i have posted since i've become a member is true to the best of my knowledge.

I sound like a lawyer now lol.

When has a lawer or polatician ever bothered about the truth, wont even mention recent history !!!!!

[DanaJ]

Thanks for posting these links, Tristen - I had forgotten these. I also found it curious that some of the people who were arguing in this thread that "just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean that it hasn't happened" were the ones trashing the members in those linked threads...hmmmm....

DanaJ


Thought I was the only one:D


Ok seriously though here's some good examples of dishonesty:
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10349
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5624
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5713

[Amelie]

Thanks for posting these links, Tristen - I had forgotten these. I also found it curious that some of the people who were arguing in this thread that "just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean that it hasn't happened" were the ones trashing the members in those linked threads...hmmmm....

DanaJ


As far as my post to Tiffany. I took her as honest, until the picture didn't match the words. You Dana,, right from the person's first post, question their intent. I let the person make a few threads before I respond, you Dana jump right on, asking for pics.

I have to go know, but I do have more to say on this subject, later.

[Julie]

Things i dislike in life = Liars, cheaters and thieves.

Everything i have posted since i've become a member is true to the best of my knowledge.

I sound like a lawyer now lol.

Amy, your telling porkies again :lol:

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11390 (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11390)

[DanaJ]

Amelie, we need to take this to PM so we don't argue here - but please, provide proof before you make your false statements here.

So - please go search through my previous posts and find some examples that I have jumped on anyone after their first post. And while you are at it, please find where I have EVER said anything outright unkind or derogotory.

I am waiting.....

DanaJ

P.S. As to the example we have mentioned here, how did you know Amelie? You say that we can't make decisions based on our own life experiences - fine. How can you then judge whether someone else's photos are genuine or not? Perhaps it was a bad camera angle, maybe the words she posted were rushed or in error, maybe it was the single best photo she had ever taken? Yet you still jumped on her post...



As far as my post to Tiffany. I took her as honest, until the picture didn't match the words. You Dana,, right from the person's first post, question their intent. I let the person make a few threads before I respond, you Dana jump right on, asking for pics.

I have to go know, but I do have more to say on this subject, later.

[Jen_TGCD]

I have to go know, but I do have more to say on this subject, later.

[Note: Amelie has joined the MCC (Metropolitan Community Church) and is singing in the choir. She is very shy about this but has a beautiful voice... especially enhanced by the HRT. She will also be helping with the brunch buffet after the services so it may be a while before she returns.]

[Amelie]

The Tiffany thread. First,,look at Tiffany's post number(114), she wasn't a newbie when I questioned her. There are other threads by Tiffany that are not included in the above links. Sha started her posts saying she needed help in dressing, she had many questions that a newbie would ask. Then she posts a picture(which has been deleted, so people now, can't see what she looked like) of a super model girl. I made the point that if she looked so beaytiful as a girl, then her previous posts were wrong. I did this after she had many posts. I am not going to look through all the threads but there are some where a newbie is questioned from their very first post, I think that they shuld be left alone until they really out themselves as a fraud.

A story:
I have been to another CD forum. When I posted my introduction, I got an E-mail, calling me a liar. All I said was I am a punk CD who grew up in the Bronx NY, nothing spectacular. I made a post complaining about why I was called a liar, only two people responded by PM, one of them was Virginia. Virginia was very mad at this other person calling me a liar, she was very sympathetic. Later, I have foungd Virginia to be a decent girl, many on the other forum have a high regard for her. This year, Virginia joined the forum and it wasn't long before Dana was asking for pics, I saw twice where Dana asked fopr pics.
Some might say this is an OK thing to do, no harm, but I felt different, I felt that Virginia was being questioned unfairly. Anfd if I was able to see this as being unfair, I would think Virginia might feel this way as well. I PMed Dana telling her that Virginia was a well respected person from another forum, Dana told me that if she was to make these claims then she should post a pic. trying to be diplomatic, I sort of agreed, but I wanted to let Dana know that Virginia was truthful.

Virginia did put up a pic, but she didn't have to, she didn't have to prove to anyone if she was telling the truth. If people don't believe someone, at least give them a chance to post a few times before asking for pics. Let them feel comfortable. I don't see Virginia posting much now.

If someone is going to ask for pics, then they should post pics of every story that they tell. I don't mean everyone should post pics, just the people who ask for pics. For example, Dana always asks for pics, then every story she tells should have a pic. Maybe some pictures of where she goes for her make-overs, I mean the outside of the shop, so we can see if it really is true, pics of the people who do these make-overs, and any other pics from other events in her life. I know this sounds silly, but always asking newbies for pics is just as silly.

I know I have ask for pics in the past, mainly for two reasons:
One-When I am in a heated debate with someone, I would like to know how is telling me off.
Two-When I first came here, some girls described themselves as beautiful she-males, I was fascinated by this, I really wanted to see their beauty.
Then I've noticed as time went on, people were asking for pics, just to prove themselves, this was wrong, no one has to supply pics to prove their stories, then everyone who asks for pics should post a pic of every story they tell, just to be fair.

I feel that there might be a lot of lurkers who would like to tell their life stories but are afraid of being asked for photos. I really don't understand this obssession with photos, this is the only forum that I am on that does this, and this is a forum where most peope are in the closet and still we ask for photos, it's not fair.

I am on one goth forum where one guy was talking about cutting open his skin and implanting metal under the skin. Even though to me, this sounded strange, no one asked for pics, or didn't believe him.

I am not going to PM anyone about this, I want others to hear what I have to say, especially the lurkers, they need help more than the people asking for photos.

[DanaJ]

The Tiffany thread. First,,look at Tiffany's post number(114), she wasn't a newbie when I questioned her. There are other threads by Tiffany that are not included in the above links. Sha started her posts saying she needed help in dressing, she had many questions that a newbie would ask. Then she posts a picture(which has been deleted, so people now, can't see what she looked like) of a super model girl. I made the point that if she looked so beaytiful as a girl, then her previous posts were wrong. I did this after she had many posts. I am not going to look through all the threads but there are some where a newbie is questioned from their very first post, I think that they shuld be left alone until they really out themselves as a fraud.I agree with you 100% about Tiffany, Amelie! My point is that in one post you set yourself up as a paragon of virtue about not questioning members and their stories, then turn around and do just that. And if you check the Tiffany threads, old DanaJ never posted in those...hmmmm....


A story:
I have been to another CD forum. When I posted my introduction, I got an E-mail, calling me a liar. All I said was I am a punk CD who grew up in the Bronx NY, nothing spectacular. I made a post complaining about why I was called a liar, only two people responded by PM, one of them was Virginia. Virginia was very mad at this other person calling me a liar, she was very sympathetic. Later, I have foungd Virginia to be a decent girl, many on the other forum have a high regard for her. This year, Virginia joined the forum and it wasn't long before Dana was asking for pics, I saw twice where Dana asked fopr pics.What is "wasn't long" Amelie? Virginia joined December 2, 2004 - and I asked her for a pic on March 8, 2005 - more than three months later (and 21 posts - not exactly the "first post" you keep saying Amelie). What I said was " Virginia, you simply HAVE to post some pix girl! Since you say you can pass en femme, I just find it so inspiring to see pix of girls who are passable, it gives us all hope :)" Here is the thread for others who want to see the old evil DanaJ in action: http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93465#post93465
And since you can't be bothered Amelie to back up your claims, I did look through all the old posts - I found ONE instance, not two as you claim, where I asked for a pic from Virginia.

Some might say this is an OK thing to do, no harm, but I felt different, I felt that Virginia was being questioned unfairly. Anfd if I was able to see this as being unfair, I would think Virginia might feel this way as well. I PMed Dana telling her that Virginia was a well respected person from another forum, Dana told me that if she was to make these claims then she should post a pic. trying to be diplomatic, I sort of agreed, but I wanted to let Dana know that Virginia was truthful.

Virginia did put up a pic, but she didn't have to, she didn't have to prove to anyone if she was telling the truth. If people don't believe someone, at least give them a chance to post a few times before asking for pics. Let them feel comfortable. I don't see Virginia posting much now.And this is because of mean ol' Dana huh? Well, lookie what I found: March 29, http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102837#post102837 I posted a pic of something for Virginia, and then she thanked me. Hmmm, no anamosity I can detect. Then, this one on April 2: http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104058#post104058 she posted to my makeover thread, I replied, there was playful banter back and forth. So Amelie, where is all this hostility and resentment between Virginia and myself? Well...?




If someone is going to ask for pics, then they should post pics of every story that they tell. I don't mean everyone should post pics, just the people who ask for pics. For example, Dana always asks for pics, then every story she tells should have a pic. Maybe some pictures of where she goes for her make-overs, I mean the outside of the shop, so we can see if it really is true, pics of the people who do these make-overs, and any other pics from other events in her life. I know this sounds silly, but always asking newbies for pics is just as silly.Ummm...hello? Every story thread I start, has pix :rolleyes: I think it is pretty apparant that my pix are taken in salon, so unless I break in, get myself dolled up, set the timer on the camera, take pix, then leave - well, that is for your delusional theories. And I do have pix of what you asked for, I wil post them just for you Amelie.



I know I have ask for pics in the past, mainly for two reasons:
One-When I am in a heated debate with someone, I would like to know how is telling me off.
Two-When I first came here, some girls described themselves as beautiful she-males, I was fascinated by this, I really wanted to see their beauty.
Then I've noticed as time went on, people were asking for pics, just to prove themselves, this was wrong, no one has to supply pics to prove their stories, then everyone who asks for pics should post a pic of every story they tell, just to be fair.OK, so if I came on this forum with a story of how a flying saucer landing in my yard, with CD aliens, and they took me shopping - you would just believe it? That it would be downright impolite and hostile to ask for some proof or a pic?


I feel that there might be a lot of lurkers who would like to tell their life stories but are afraid of being asked for photos. I really don't understand this obssession with photos, this is the only forum that I am on that does this, and this is a forum where most peope are in the closet and still we ask for photos, it's not fair.Again, Amelie, you are wrong. I don't jump on newbies that post their stories or life experiences every time - very rarely actually. You just seem to have a bug up your bum about me for some reason?


I am on one goth forum where one guy was talking about cutting open his skin and implanting metal under the skin. Even though to me, this sounded strange, no one asked for pics, or didn't believe him.

I am not going to PM anyone about this, I want others to hear what I have to say, especially the lurkers, they need help more than the people asking for photos.

OK, have it your way. Let everyone see that you are wrong about me, and have fabricated some big conspiracy theory concerning DanaJ. Concerning help, have I ever done anything to help the members here Amelie? Well, let me refresh your memory.

I have helped with many members photos, avatars, makeup help, nail help, posted links, answered questions, welcomed new members, complimented members for adventures or photos - and yes, occasionally have questioned people or asked for a photo. And you?

Again, waiting........

DanaJ

[Sharon]

Well, hasn't this thread taken a turn? There's honesty and then there's "honesty."
Ol' Sharon here is "this close" to locking the thread.

[Ashley in Virginia]

Well, hasn't this thread taken a turn? There's honesty and then there's "honesty."
Ol' Sharon here is "this close" to locking the thread.

Don't close it, the drama is just getting good. :p Been a while since we had something going on around here, I would hate to see it go so quickly. lol

[Julie York]

Hey hey hey!!!!

I just popcorn and everything!!!

[JoAnnDallas]

Sharon..... As long as it doesn't get to cat fighting, I say let it stay unlocked. It's a healthy discussion, through a touchy one.

:love:

[Ashley in Virginia]

No, I want to see a cat fight. :) Meow.

[Amelie]

Dana, I havee never said that there was animosity between you and Virginia. I said it was wrong to ask for pics from her. The two threads that you ask Viginia for pics are:

Young and confused
How many go out dressed-these are the two threads.

I know that you post photos, but what I am saying is that maybe if you are going to ask others to post pfotos, maybe you should post more sensitive photos, more detailed photos of all your threads. Not just in the salon, but outside, let's see the wonderful people who do this make-up, maybe other things in your threads, I didn't go back on all your threads, but there might be ones that could use more photos.

I don't have a bug up my bum for you. I do have a bug for people who ask for photos, this does bother me, Ok, I did also ask for photos, I also know that this was wrong of me, I won't ask again, unless it is someone that asks others for photos.

As for insulting people, I think calling Minakis thread "worthless without pics" can be insulting to her thread. She has a photo in the profile, she is very pretty, to me it seems that she could be a cheerleader, but you want more pics, then you should post more pics of your life if you want others to believe you.

Just as you can question other peoples posts, then I can question yours. I am not being insulting, I am speaking my mind and will continue.

Whether I am exactly right on the dates of peoples posts, whether they are new or not, I still feel it is wrong to request photos, and I will keep on saying this, i don't care who is the one asking for photos.

[Susan Walker]

I can walk on water in heels even and I have the picture to prove it!!! :D

[Pip]

I can walk on water in heels even and I have the picture to prove it!!! :D

Sheesh....I have trouble walking on the floor in heels still. Nice work!

Pip

[DanaJ]

Dana, I havee never said that there was animosity between you and Virginia. I said it was wrong to ask for pics from her. The two threads that you ask Viginia for pics are:

Young and confused
How many go out dressed-these are the two threads.Oops - you are right Amelie, I was wrong and I apologize (See? This is how it is done) - I did ask twice for photos. But - let's examine the pic request, the one you think is so wrong. This is what I wrote: "but you simply have to post some pix! It would be an inspiration for us girls who don't go out in public dressed to see a girl who passes while en femme.....please?". Now, you tell me why this is wrong? Is it because I am curious and want to see someone that passes in public?

C'mon Amelie, just admit that you were inferring that the reason that Virginia does not post here anymore is because I asked for pix. You paint this picture of some little innocent new member posting on the site, then mean old DanaJ swoops in and ask for a pic, and then that member leaves. You have manipulated the facts to suit the story you want to believe, but when I exposed the exact threads and posts, I notice that you sort of glossed right over that......



I know that you post photos, but what I am saying is that maybe if you are going to ask others to post pfotos, maybe you should post more sensitive photos, more detailed photos of all your threads. Not just in the salon, but outside, let's see the wonderful people who do this make-up, maybe other things in your threads, I didn't go back on all your threads, but there might be ones that could use more photos.Wow! I have posted hundreds of pix here, and it still isn't enough???? I have posted pix on myself in the salon, in at least FOUR different houses, at a hotel and a spa, but that is still not enough??? OK, the girls who do my makeovers have asked that I not show their pix, but for you, see the end of this post. I fuzzed out their faces, will that be enough for you?

BTW - did you know I have taken many videos of a lot of my makeovers? Oops, I guess you didn;t know - but why let the facts get in your way, huh? I have showed them to some of the members here too, should I make a list of people for you to ask?


I don't have a bug up my bum for you. I do have a bug for people who ask for photos, this does bother me, Ok, I did also ask for photos, I also know that this was wrong of me, I won't ask again, unless it is someone that asks others for photos.

As for insulting people, I think calling Minakis thread "worthless without pics" can be insulting to her thread. She has a photo in the profile, she is very pretty, to me it seems that she could be a cheerleader, but you want more pics, then you should post more pics of your life if you want others to believe you.Again, you appoint yourself the "hurt feelings" monitor. Just how do you know she felt insulted? Just as you were dead wrong on the Virginia issue, you now decide whose feelings are hurt on the forum? Just how many people's feelings have YOU hurt here Amelie? I have a feeling that it is many more than I have hurt.


Just as you can question other peoples posts, then I can question yours. I am not being insulting, I am speaking my mind and will continue.

Whether I am exactly right on the dates of peoples posts, whether they are new or not, I still feel it is wrong to request photos, and I will keep on saying this, i don't care who is the one asking for photos.You most certainly can question other people's posts Amelie, I expect no less from you. But - it would help if, in your disinformation campaign, you get your facts correct? Now, I guess you will be busy searching out all the other members who have asked for pix so you can then jump on them - sort of like OJ going out to find the "real" killers.

I ask the forum members apologies here for going on like this, I did ask to take it to PMs several posts ago.....

DanaJ

P.S. I almost forgot - pix:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/460749/proof1.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/460749/proof2.jpg

[Sharon]

This thread has devolved enough.