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frillysilky
08-29-2009, 04:53 AM
I think most people here are ok with dressing up but not really attempting to pass as a female. I dearly want to pass as a female, not for sexual purposes, but because I feel like that inside. I have decided to dress as an older woman (maybe 60) and if I can pass that way I will be delighted. What do you girls think?
Love you all
(profile pic soon):love:

Lyndi
08-29-2009, 05:30 AM
Hi frilly - I think you are wrong when you say that most of us are not interested in passing as females. Of course we do and do all we can to look as feminine as possible. In some cases it is not possible, I grant you, but the vast majority of us take extreme pleasure and excitement from dressing up. We would ALL love to be able to pass as females, but are realistic enough to know it ain't gonna happen, no matter how hard we try.
You don't say what age you are and why not concentrate in obtaining the looks and clothes of a girl your age ? Good luck to you anyway and hope you achieve your goal !!!

noeleena
08-29-2009, 05:41 AM
Hi...
There are. a number of reason.s why some need to pass other.s can with out much help . make up & so on . even the clothes help ..
What about a few of us . who in my caes at 62 . would not say i pass yet having said that . some well heeled women have said i do ... yea right . my thinking they have to be blind . & are they ?? no . i dont try & pass. i can dress nice for my age . with a little bit of make up . Jos gets on my case about that . so yes i can . & like a ball we have coming up on the 19 of sep a masquerade so yes . i feel i will be a bit out of my depth .still i ll go . for me its more about being accepted . so the passing is not a big deal . yet i spos i sort of pass . being to well known so its okay .more importaint for some . mind you i live as a women all the time & have done for 11 years . really . i am a woman .
...noeleena...

KimberlyJo
08-29-2009, 05:41 AM
I see from your profile that you are 44 frilly. I wonder why you think you could pass as a 60 yr old and not a 44yr old woman. But yeah, without some kind of pic or something we really can't tell.

And I also agree with Lyndi that a lot of us harbor the same desire to pass and not be read, but that's just not a reality most of us will ever have so we accept it and move on from there.

But there is such a diverse group of people here that I hate to even use the word "most" when talking about us. :) :) :)

Teri Jean
08-29-2009, 06:58 AM
Frilly, passing has different meanings for everyone and for me it isn't just the look but the feeling inside. Am I comfortable with who I am, can I walk into a store enfemme and not worry about the looks and snickers, can I sit in a restraunt and enjoy the meal with who I am with? When I got to that point I passed. The looks is just the package or envelope and the person passing is the letter inside that tells everyone who I truely am.
JMHO If passing means something different for some so be it but remember have fun and don't worry about the world outside. Gain your confidence and strut your stuff, LOL. Have fun and huggs to you girl for you deserve it.

Teri

PaulaJaneThomas
08-29-2009, 07:16 AM
Dress your age and just be yourself. The more relaxed and comfortable you are with yourself the better you will pass.

kelly1469
08-29-2009, 07:30 AM
I really want to pass too - it would make me feel more like a woman if i know i can pass and be seen by others as a real woman!

Joni Marie Cruz
08-29-2009, 07:39 AM
My feelings about passing are that I don't, and under more than casual scrutiny, I can't, but I also don't much care anymore. I do try to do the very best job I possibly can, given the poor materials I have to work with, as far as makeup and clothes and so on when I go out. Please don't let the pix in my albums fool you, I don't always wear skirts up to here and heels up to there. Maybe if I'm going to a TG friendly club with friends, but if I'm just going to the mall or something, then I leave the ballgown and tiara at home.

This may draw some flames, and I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but I think for many of us it's all about, or maybe should be all about, getting past wanting or needing to pass. Sad to say, but most of us can't. All I want is to be myself and if people don't notice me, that's fine, if they do notice and don't care, that's fine, if they notice and gawk, that's okay, too, just leave me alone to be myself.

As some of the other girls mentioned, without a picture or two it's hard to say how femme you look, but really, what does it matter? We can alll improve our "look", I suppose, ggirls work on their presentation all the time, but at the end of the day it's about being yourself and enjoying this gift of transformation.

Hugs...Joni Mari

~Emma D~
08-29-2009, 07:48 AM
Hi Frilly
I can say without doubt, that when I go out into the world en-femme, I want to appear 100% female. I simply do not want anyone thinking otherwise.

To me it is being confident in myself, they way I look and appear to others that I try not to think about whether I am passing or not.

I have been read in the past, and it is not something I can say I enjoyed, and on occasions caused distress, finally leading to purging.

Most of us need to pass!!

Nicole Brown
08-29-2009, 07:50 AM
Hi Frilly,

As already stated, passing is much more than just bring seen by others as being a female. It also includes your state of mind, your attitude and your confidence, I cannot over emphasize confidence . People today are usually busy and just give a passing glance the those around them.

I cannot understand why you would want to appear older than you actually are. I always strive to appear younger than my 60+ years. When I go out, and I try to 3 - 4 times a week, I don't worry what those I encounter think of me. I am me, I enjoy being me and I love the image that I present.

I have gone into woman's clothing stores more times than I can remember and I am greeted just like any other woman. I have no problem asking for and being shown into a dressing room to try on the clothing I have selected. Just remember, with the current state of our economy and the fact that most sales associated are on commission, they don't care who you are as long as you are spending money.

In short, if you dress like a lady, make your best attempt to look like a lady, talk like a lady and and in general act like a lady, you will find that most will treat you like a lady. Oh yes, and don't forget your perfume. :battingeyelashes:

Nicole

TSchapes
08-29-2009, 07:52 AM
My Indian name is PassesAtDistance! No matter how good I look and move, at 6'4" I have no where to hide. Even GG's that are over 6' have to fend off the, "Is she, or is she not" questions. I think that's why so many of us try to pass but know we don't. I think it's an appropriate way to handle the situation.

God and her infinite sense of humor must be getting a kick out me, by making me want to pass, and then making me 6'4"!

-Tracy

Tracy_Victoria
08-29-2009, 07:58 AM
What is passing? Dressing as a woman walking down a dark street, and a guy a 1000 yards aways looking at you and takes you for a woman is passing, ie he though you where a girl from that distance!

Passing is what you make of it, ie walking alone as a woman at night is passing (if people see you) but real woman don't sulk round dark streets are parks in the dead of night, nor is it advisable for crossdressers to do the same.

if your talking about walking and talking, and mingling with the public as your female persona, then thats a totally different story! it takes years of practice, confidence, a good look, and time. however just like riding a bike, no matter how good you get at it, occationally you will fall off, (ie get read)

it all depends on what you call passing, and how much time, effort, and even money you wish to throw at it.

TGMarla
08-29-2009, 08:00 AM
If you want to look like a 60 year old woman, and feel you can pass as one, then by all means do it. For those of us who try to pass, I can say that we all do as well as we are able given our circumstances.

Cheryl T
08-29-2009, 08:18 AM
I was really concerned with "passing" for a long time. Then I finally went out in public and realized that maybe I do, maybe I don't...but that's not what mattered anymore.
What mattered to me was that I was out...that I could express my femininity in public and go out doing all the "normal" things as the woman I feel I am.
The biggest thing about "passing" is CONFIDENCE. If you feel confident as a woman then others will see that and accept it, whether or not they truly see the other you inside.

Dress appropriately for the venue and for your age...no mini skirt and stilettos to WalMart, no garish makeup to the grocery store, and most of all ... hold your head up and look others in the eye. Don't hang your head and hide from view...it's a dead giveaway.

As for being 44 and dressing 60...well, if you dress 44 then you might find with makeup and the right clothing you will actually look 35 and feel younger and more confident.

Be yourself...and be proud.

Works for me and I go out now all the time...anywhere...

Christina Horton
08-29-2009, 08:32 AM
A couple of points, Frilly.

One: It seems to be a general rule that most of us look about 10-15 years younger than our real age when we're dressed. That would put you in your early thirties! So you're going to have a real problem looking 60! Grey hair would help along your way, and longer skirts glasses too, but you seem to be setting yourself a dual problem - changing both sex and age.

Or perhaps your comment about looking 60 was false modesty?

Two: if you can afford it, why not get professional advice? There are people who do makeovers, provide colour and style charts, give dress advice, help with personal shopping. A half-day session could do wonders.


Dam you Katie you took the words right out of my....umm finger? Yes we all will look younger with makeup , so my advice to you (act your age) dress your age and just have fun. If you read a few of my old threads named , just had a revlation about my shoulders and a seconded one ...oh I can't remember the name , I came to the point that I could care less if people read me so now I just have fun and people treat me like I women. I just be me and wow I an a woman. Go figger eh. Don't be afraid if what people think and you'll be fine. Act like you belong where ever you are and you will be treated like a woman. And if your not, if someone sinkers , so what that's there prob eh. So go on have fun Hun and we await your pics. Huggs

Kim_Bitzflick
08-29-2009, 10:47 AM
I used to think that passing is all that mattered, but then I realized, just be me and don't worry about "passing".

Brenda Freeman
08-29-2009, 11:05 AM
I rarely get out but as I get older I seem to care less what others think, I hope I pass as I would like to just blend in when dressed as a woman and go about my business, and I am learning to not worry about what others think, what I think about myself and how I feel is what counts! Be who you want to be, the real fun as a crossdresser is having a couple of options depending on your mood feminine/masculine a little both! Have fun smile and be confident no matter how you dress.

Nicole Erin
08-29-2009, 11:26 AM
If you are worried about passing or not, find out what the real world thinks cause TG women are harder on each other than anyone.

Misty is Kindafem
08-29-2009, 12:16 PM
Well, this passing thing is very interesting. My two smokin' hot girlfriends, Joni Cruz and Kellycan both have roughly the same opinion on it which is, basically just get out there and be who you are. These two come from two totally different places but they are both fierce in their own way. I don't have their courage yet.

This is also coincidentally how my new local friend AllieSF feels about it and I believe she can totally pass, though she doesn't appear to be trying very hard to do so. It seems like her confidence just totally blurs the edges. She took me to the Castro with her TS friend and it's inspiring to see her in action. I was busy hating my wig and looking for another drink and she was busy chatting up every one who got close enough to snare.

My view of passing is a little different. I don't really care if I pass as a woman but I desperately want to pass as a hot chick. From a distance I may pass as a GG in the right light but my 40, um 39 years pretending to be manly has ruined my close game. I think a perceptive blind guy would read me as not GG, but there is a whole 'nother angle that we never talk about. I could be happy with the "is that a guy" question as long as the follow up statement is "yeah but I'd still do her/him" or "yeah but she's hot". If I can't be a real girl than I'll settle for something else. Something that looks a little different but is STILL desirable. When a guy reads me, I want him to at least briefly consider "hittin' that" before he walks off with his buddies talking about the freak. Or better yet tells his buddies that "hell yeah he would go there! She was HOT!"

...but that's just me

-Misty

Rachel Morley
08-29-2009, 12:29 PM
Passing can be a touchy subject. If I said "passing" wasn't important to me I'd be lying as going out en femme to regular mainstream places (like I did with friends at Claim Jumper two nights ago) and being treated just like any other woman with people (seemingly?) not aware or not caring was so validating and gives me such a high it's incredible .... but .... I also like going to LGBT places or private parties where I can on purpose "not pass" and wear clothes that are much more like the things I want to wear but can't wear in regular mainstream places without making me stand out .... although, having said that my wife and I were wearing sundresses and heels to dinner :D

Sophie_C
08-29-2009, 12:39 PM
I think most people here are ok with dressing up but not really attempting to pass as a female. I dearly want to pass as a female, not for sexual purposes, but because I feel like that inside. I have decided to dress as an older woman (maybe 60) and if I can pass that way I will be delighted. What do you girls think?
Love you all
(profile pic soon):love:

Nope, not possible by simply dressing, especially when you've had 60 YEARS of testosterone pumping through your veins, modifying your bone structure, hair, skin, body, even the way you smell.

You will, without a doubt, look like a man in a dress, no matter what you do, unless you fully transition, likely involving HEAVY surgery at this point in your life.

Sorry, I'm just stating the facts. I've dared people to post a single photo of a girl who, with simple cosmetics, looked "passable," over and over again and no one has ever came up with one.

Alice B
08-29-2009, 12:48 PM
I believe that passing is an individual state of mind. I'm 67 and when I dress I try to look and be as much a female as I can. I do not dress my age because I think I can do better. Granted I only get the chance to go out dressed on few occasions and when I do as soon as I open my mouth there will be no doubt that I'm a male. Yet on those occasions I have been treated well and accepted. When I post pictures of me on this site and share them with friends who know about Alice I get positive feed back. So for me that is passing enough. To fully pass I would have to go through gender reassignment and that is never going to happen. My point is - do the best you can and be happy with the results. Don't brow beat yourself.:hugs:

windycissy
08-29-2009, 01:07 PM
Nope, not possible by simply dressing, especially when you've had 60 YEARS of testosterone pumping through your veins, modifying your bone structure, hair, skin, body, even the way you smell.

You will, without a doubt, look like a man in a dress, no matter what you do, unless you fully transition, likely involving HEAVY surgery at this point in your life.

Sorry, I'm just stating the facts. I've dared people to post a single photo of a girl who, with simple cosmetics, looked "passable," over and over again and no one has ever came up with one.


Sophie, that is a ridiculous generalization which is simply not true...granted, you may not think any of the avatars posted by the girls here look passable, but many of us who were lucky with our bone structure and build make our way through the world as women, without hormones or surgery. If you don't believe it's possible, check out this clip from a Czech movie about a guy who can't get a job as a teacher so he dresses up as a woman and gets the job, of course he's a professional actor and the makeup is fantastic but he disproves your point: Clip from Kamenak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzTmQn0nZM&feature=PlayList&p=B8A0CB6C14DD6CAB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1)

Sweet Jane
08-29-2009, 01:20 PM
passing really is a state of mind...theres very very few of us who can go out and never be read as trans, but thats not important really....as long as you go out, be confident and act like you belong (because after all we DO belong), people accept your right to be there....accept your right to be you...

don't get hung up on 'passing'....it'll only serve to imprison you further...

Joni Marie Cruz
08-29-2009, 01:23 PM
My two smokin' hot girlfriends, Joni Cruz and Kellycan both have roughly the same opinion...

Gawd, Misty, I am so blushing. I want to have your babies.

Hugs...Joni Mari

Rachel Morley
08-29-2009, 01:29 PM
If you don't believe it's possible, check out this clip from a Czech movie about a guy who can't get a job as a teacher so he dresses up as a woman and gets the job, of course he's a professional actor and the makeup is fantastic but he disproves your point.
Wow Windy, that's a very interesting clip, but this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8WdSovIXYw&NR=1) (of the same person) is incredible. Start it at 2.00 minutes and watch the next 40 seconds ... I would never have guessed! :)

windycissy
08-29-2009, 01:35 PM
Wow Windy, that's a very interesting clip, but this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8WdSovIXYw&NR=1) (of the same person) is incredible. Start it at 2.00 minutes and watch the next 40 seconds ... I would never have guessed! :)

Yep, that's the big reveal at the end of the flick...notice how they softened "her" makeup when they cut away to the shocked students, nice touch!

Sherry-Stephanie
08-29-2009, 02:09 PM
I agree with Misty...."passing" is a state of "something"...not sure if it's in your mind or in reality...and if it's in reality then it's subjective on someone else's opinion...

Case in point....I've recently been hitting the clubs on a regular basis...and it's been a real trip...I've met or seen some CDers/T/Girls whatever that are absolute knockouts...would love to come half way to the looks they have...however, you can usually see "something" that gives them away...especially if you're "tuned in" to CDing or T/G's whatever....A lot of time its only the fact that they are tall...most gg's are in the 5'-2 to 5"9" range...and with heels on in clubs they add 4" to 5" in height...now get a girl that's at 6'5" in heels they are going to standout and one will say gee she's so tall or she must be a CDer/TGer depending on where you view is coming from...regular person or someone who is into dressing...one isn't keyed into dressing while the other one (Cder/T/girl) is...

Now if you pass the "visual review" speaking will probably do you in most cases...unless you've developed a very good feminine voice...so very few will totally pass as a female....So, with that being the case, you need to go to this point which isn't passing...

Just go out and present yourself as femenine as you can and simple be comfortable at that level....if you do that, people will know "yes your a "dresser"...but they'll treat you as a female...and isn't that what it's all about??? For use to go out in public and not fool everyone whick 99.9% of us probably can't do...but to be accepted as a female and have people interact with us as a female....how many of us would be happy with that being the case.

I can't pass as a female, but I get treated as a female when I'm in a club...both by some gay guys even those who tend to be the most critical of us...but especially by other CDers/T/G's but what is most suprising to me is how well the gg's accept us...it's almost like "OK you want to be part of the "sisterhood" OK your in"....and they treat you just like one of them...even in the ladies room, which think is the "intersanctum" of the female "no man's zone"...if you can go in there and be treated as "one of the girls"...get compliments on your looks, clothing, make up or hair while you two or three are putting on lipstick or combing you hair then girl, your in there as a female or "one of the girls" at that point...and to me that's better than trying to "just pass"....acceptance is way beyond "passing"...

So bottom line for me isn't about passing...it's about trying to learn, to progressd or get better at being the best looking as I can be...just like any female...and to simple "connect" with those who want to connect with me...and build an inner circle with whomever...CDer/ T/Girl gg gay guy straight people whoever...

In the three months I've been out I have had a number of experiences AKA "validations" as I like to call them, as a female that have just pleased me to death...and they realy have made just the fact that I'm dressing all worthwhile...example...how about a gg comes up to you acompliment you on your heels and tells you she'd like to find those and then you talk for a few minutes about buying clothes, shoes etc and just sit there talking girl stuff...and she tells you she likes your blouse (or outfit your wearing) to me that's better than passing...that's acceptance by her that you a female in her eyes...

You all may agree or you may not...this is just my perspective and nothing else...Bottom line is get out as a female and enjoy it...its better than sex!!!!

Misty is Kindafem
08-29-2009, 02:15 PM
and being treated just like any other woman with people (seemingly?) not aware or not caring was so validating and gives me such a high it's incredible .... but ....

Rachel, I totally agree and I'm also totally going to Sparkle!

I can hardly wait.

-Misty

Misty is Kindafem
08-29-2009, 02:27 PM
....and they treat you just like one of them...even in the ladies room, which think is the "intersanctum" of the female "no man's zone"...if you can go in there and be treated as "one of the girls"...get compliments on your looks, clothing, make up or hair while you two or three are putting on lipstick or combing you hair then girl, your in there as a female or "one of the girls" at that point..

You are 100% right Sherry-Steph and it should be noted that if you're that "creepy tranny guy" you won't get within 10 ft of the ladies room let alone be invited. Your look is important but your presentation is critical. I will never be a woman but I can still be one of the girls.



.Bottom line is get out as a female and enjoy it...its better than sex!!!!

Whoa, slow down miss thang. Better than straight sex maybe. ;-0

Oh. no. I. did 'ent!

-Misty

AllieSF
08-29-2009, 02:42 PM
There is a lot of great advice here in this thread. And thank you Misty for your nice comments. For me the passing thing is made up of two parts, the physical appearance and the mental state. So, yes, I try to look as womanly as possible and being blessed with a petite size and body and a few nice features (I do not talk about the bad ones) I get to the physical look down fairly well. Totally passable, as in, "they think I am a woman" - no. After I reach that stage it becomes the mental process. I am very confident, extroverted, curious, playful and I think fun in a humorous and fun way. Therefore, once I am in my comfort zone (distance away from home, family and friends), I am Allie and me at the same time. I interact with others as always with the dressed en femme twist, I ask questions and love to meet new people whenever possible, and I do.

So my only advice is work on the physical looks side as best you can, then build up that confidence and courage and go out and be yourself. By the way, If you are what one poster said, 44 years old, just dress up as any 40 year old woman would do. You probably do not need to reach out to my age group. Good luck and enjoy life because it is just too short for all of us "slow learners".

kellycan27
08-29-2009, 03:15 PM
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nope, not possible by simply dressing, especially when you've had 60 years of testosterone pumping through your veins, modifying your bone structure, hair, skin, body, even the way you smell.

You will, without a doubt, look like a man in a dress, no matter what you do, unless you fully transition, likely involving heavy surgery at this point in your life.

Sorry, i'm just stating the facts. I've dared people to post a single photo of a girl who, with simple cosmetics, looked "passable," over and over again and no one has ever came up with one.96140

Joni Marie Cruz
08-29-2009, 04:14 PM
Pretty much what they call an irrefutable argument, Kelly.

Hugs...Joni Mari

frillysilky
08-29-2009, 04:23 PM
Frilly, passing has different meanings for everyone and for me it isn't just the look but the feeling inside. Am I comfortable with who I am, can I walk into a store enfemme and not worry about the looks and snickers, can I sit in a restraunt and enjoy the meal with who I am with? When I got to that point I passed. The looks is just the package or envelope and the person passing is the letter inside that tells everyone who I truely am.
JMHO If passing means something different for some so be it but remember have fun and don't worry about the world outside. Gain your confidence and strut your stuff, LOL. Have fun and huggs to you girl for you deserve it.

Teri

This is pretty much how I feel. I have always played catch-up with my life. I am not a great looking guy, overweight too. I am working on the weight, but I don't think I could pass in a glamorous way. But that's not important to me. The reason I have considered the older model (ok maybe not 60) is because an older person would draw less scrutiny. I would prefer to be a passable ugly well dressed old lady, rather than an ugly c/d obviously trying to be something I will never be. The state of mind thing is the only reason I am determined to do this. I am beginning to believe in my new self, in fact I well up at night just thinking of my big day. I have a long road, I know, but it's an exciting one and I so look forward to my new future.:love:

windycissy
08-29-2009, 04:45 PM
Kelly has proven that a picture is worth a thousand words!

joandher
08-29-2009, 04:52 PM
I think its not "passing" but blending in, and i think its about self confidence, I once sat in a mall en-drab and studied womens faces and if you are very picky you would say 10% could be c/ders,
if you have self confidence you are 70% there, and if you dress age apropriately and not completely different to all the outher women you will " pass "
and if you watch men ,ive done it and if you see a great looking girl ,that stands out from the rest, you will take a second look or even stare
also your make up wants to be in "day mode" during the day not going clubbing mode
:hugs:

J-JAY

PS and I've had more than 60 yrs of testosterone

Sammy777
08-29-2009, 07:08 PM
I've dared people to post a single photo of a girl who, with simple cosmetics, looked "passable," over and over again and no one has ever came up with one.

Have you ever looked at the boy vs girl pics thread?
There are quite a few in there that "pass" your test, lol.

Like this one for example: [Member pic from boy vs girl thread]
http://samantha.arcaco.com/face.jpg

sherri52
08-29-2009, 07:14 PM
I think all of us here wnat to pass. That is the crem de la crem of cd'ing. Most of us don't make it, but we do enjoy the attempt. I know I will never be able to pass. This doesn't mean I can't get away with it sometimes.

Sophie_C
08-30-2009, 12:32 PM
Have you ever looked at the boy vs girl pics thread?
There are quite a few in there that "pass" your test, lol.

Like this one for example: [Member pic from boy vs girl thread]
http://samantha.arcaco.com/face.jpg

Can you show me a link? (it doesn't seem to be coming up in a search for "boy vs girl")

Also, the photo is blurred and I don't see the example's frame (which is a very easy giveaway).

At least you gave me an attempt, which hasn't been done before.

Cindi
08-30-2009, 12:41 PM
I think most people here are ok with dressing up but not really attempting to pass as a female. I dearly want to pass as a female, not for sexual purposes, but because I feel like that inside. I have decided to dress as an older woman (maybe 60) and if I can pass that way I will be delighted. What do you girls think?
Love you all
(profile pic soon):love:

Hi Frilly: I'm 82 and wish I looked like 32.

Some days, I look pretty fem, other days, well ugh.
I still go for five-inch heels and love walking around malls, visiting shoe stores and trying on shoes. The young female clerks are so kind and helpful, I don't feel embarrased at all.

Just some thoughts which may help you, Yes, I wish I could pass but do find it easier now that I am older. Seems males and females can look almost equally the same as they mature.

Misty is Kindafem
08-30-2009, 12:51 PM
At least you gave me an attempt, which hasn't been done before.

That's not true. Kelly posted her pic first.

-Misty

Cindi
08-30-2009, 12:51 PM
Frilly, passing has different meanings for everyone and for me it isn't just the look but the feeling inside. Am I comfortable with who I am, can I walk into a store enfemme and not worry about the looks and snickers, can I sit in a restraunt and enjoy the meal with who I am with? When I got to that point I passed. The looks is just the package or envelope and the person passing is the letter inside that tells everyone who I truely am.
JMHO If passing means something different for some so be it but remember have fun and don't worry about the world outside. Gain your confidence and strut your stuff, LOL. Have fun and huggs to you girl for you deserve it.

Teri

Teri Jean: I could not have said it better myself.

See my post later on this page.

kellycan27
08-30-2009, 01:47 PM
That's not true. Kelly posted her pic first.

-Misty

Thanks hun, I often get overlooked in here:heehee:

Cathytg
08-30-2009, 02:32 PM
I guess the issue deals with a person's reasons for wanting to pass. If you are very clear about them, then judge your pass-ability in terms of your goals.

For my part, passing consists of being ignored. At 5'10" that is not always very easy. But I find that I have started to simply ignore what I imagine others notice or think. Presto! I pass because I do not bother with looking for eye contact or stares from other folks. I don't think I have changed my look, but I do know that I have changed my perceptions to match my desires.

Perhaps I am fooling myself but that's a lot easier than trying to fool everyone else and I am happy.

I wil just go on whistling. :)

Miranda09
08-30-2009, 02:43 PM
Interesting posts on passing. It is different for everyone. Personally, it's important to me that I can pass as a woman, as well as feel like a women when dressed. I haven't ventured much out in public, but when I did, I think I passed well enough for me to feel a greater level of confidence. At the same time, sometimes when I dress and look in the mirror, I say...nope...you're missing something. But I think I'll eventually get it and develop the same confidence many of you have demonstrated here. :)

docrobbysherry
08-30-2009, 02:49 PM
but I don't think I could pass in a glamorous way. But that's not important to me.
The reason I have considered the older model (ok maybe not 60) is because an older person would draw less scrutiny. I would prefer to be a passable ugly well dressed old lady, rather than an ugly c/d obviously trying to be something I will never be.

VERY FEW OF US CAN DO BOTH! Of course, Kelly, and a few others here CAN!:daydreaming:

But, they're the exceptions, NOT the rule for CDs!:eek:

I'm an older model, too. Early on, I decided to put my energies into LOOKING GOOD! :D
I discovered that dressing to pass, required TOO MANY compromises for me! And, truth be told, I would only be a VERY HOMELY OLD man-in-a-dress, outside my closet!:sad:

So, go ahead, Frilly. U dress and hopefully pass, as a 60 y/o.:thumbsup: I DO wish u luck!:)

I prefer to remain in my closet, and NOT pass as an ATTRACTIVE 20/30 y/o!:heehee:

Princess Chantal
08-30-2009, 04:07 PM
I think most people here are ok with dressing up but not really attempting to pass as a female. I dearly want to pass as a female, not for sexual purposes, but because I feel like that inside. I have decided to dress as an older woman (maybe 60) and if I can pass that way I will be delighted. What do you girls think?
Love you all
(profile pic soon):love:

So you want to appear or "pass" as an older woman cause you feel like an older lady inside? or do you want to play role as an older woman so you could wear feminine attire to satisfy your "feminine inner you"?

frillysilky
08-30-2009, 04:26 PM
So you want to appear or "pass" as an older woman cause you feel like an older lady inside? or do you want to play role as an older woman so you could wear feminine attire to satisfy your "feminine inner you"?

I don't feel old inside, I need to be able to feel female by being able to blend in as a woman. I think that by being plain is the best way for me. Maybe things will change when I get my clothes and make-up perfected. Until then I have a life to change.

Thanks to all you girls for takiing the time to answer my post. You are truly friends.

:love:

Sherry-Stephanie
08-30-2009, 05:08 PM
Best way to pass is be yourself whatever that may be...and then go for it and hit the street and get out and enjoy....that's all you can do...age doesn't really factor in....

Jodi
08-30-2009, 07:07 PM
As one can see from the out and about posts, I go out in public frequently, mostly to straight venues. I don't believe that I pass. I believe that I dress appropriately and present well in the venues where I go. It is because of this that I believe that I am accepted. It is a matter of confidence. I have found that when I believe in myself, all the rest is easy. Passibility is overrated.

Jodi

Sophie_C
08-30-2009, 10:00 PM
That's not true. Kelly posted her pic first.

-Misty
Thanks hun, I often get overlooked in here:heehee:

Neither of you read what I said:



Sorry, I'm just stating the facts. I've dared people to post a single photo of a girl who, with simple cosmetics, looked "passable," over and over again and no one has ever came up with one.

Kelly has transitioned, and done so at a relatively young age. She doesn't just put makeup on and a dress.

As I've pointed a thousand times before, there are countless subtle changes done by hormones running through the body for years, especially relevant to the OP who has 60 years of testosterone masculizing every corner of hers, that make the body not look feminine.

If I wasn't clear before, I am also (as implied by this), saying that with transitioning a girl CAN pass, absolutely. I've seen it plenty of times, although unless a girl has both good genetics for a softer look and does it at a rather young age, it usually takes some work.

Sammy777
09-05-2009, 09:56 PM
Can you show me a link? (it doesn't seem to be coming up in a search for "boy vs girl")

Also, the photo is blurred and I don't see the example's frame (which is a very easy giveaway).

At least you gave me an attempt, which hasn't been done before.

Picture post (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1676913&postcount=1135)
Same person, body shot (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1678543&postcount=1161)

Another example. (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1650456&postcount=1075)
I came across Tracy while looking for the other two.

Deidra Cowen
09-06-2009, 09:33 AM
Sophie, that is a ridiculous generalization which is simply not true...granted, you may not think any of the avatars posted by the girls here look passable, but many of us who were lucky with our bone structure and build make our way through the world as women, without hormones or surgery. If you don't believe it's possible, check out this clip from a Czech movie about a guy who can't get a job as a teacher so he dresses up as a woman and gets the job, of course he's a professional actor and the makeup is fantastic but he disproves your point: Clip from Kamenak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzTmQn0nZM&feature=PlayList&p=B8A0CB6C14DD6CAB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1)

Kewl clip! I enjoyed that.