crossdressing is illegal

[jessidresser]

I was talking with a friend while waiting for the bus. Halloween parties start Saturday. I said i'm wearing women's clothes Saturday. "Nancy" sitting on the other bench was listening. She said "Crossdressing is illegal, you'll get aressted just for that!"
She also said "I saw a crossdresser get arested downtown!"
I said "she" was doing something else besides crossdressing!
"Nancy" kept saying "he!"
It was fun playing with Nancy's brain! she would be the one to call police and tell them there's a crossdresser on the bus! I was in guy mode today.
Oregon passed domestic partnership law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Oregon

:eek:

[lemonlover]

But, it's not...
RIGHT?
I am confused...

[kellycan27]

The mayor of Silverton, Oregon is a cross dresser, so I wouldn't think it illegal.
I did a little more digging and found that it is NOT illegal to cross dress in Oregon.

[trannie T]

The Fashion Police have a warrant for my arrest.

[jazmine]

Yeah. Crossdressing is BAD! It's one of the leading causes of the demise of this planet!


LOL!........

Enter the Radiohead song here: "But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here."

[Barbara918]

Crossdressing is illegal -- that's why I never wear a cross.

[Suzy Harrison]

Crossdressing is not illegal - the Taliban hasn't taken over just yet !!

BTW: The first thing I did when I arrived at Atlanta airport last month was to walk up to a policeman and ask where the taxis left from.....


......and no, I'm not writing this from my prison cell :heehee:

[Karren H]

There are still laws on the books in some snall WV towns that make crossdressing illegal.. That's why a lot of crossdressers would carry two male socks with them in their purse.. That was enough to keep you out of jail.. Personally I wear always my comphy male cotton briefs and have a pair of short male socks in my purse when I'm out enfemme in WV.. Get out of jail free underware! Lol.

[Kate Simmons]

Well, now we know where the "rush" comes from I guess.:battingeyelashes::)

[Blaire]

Roll your eyes at this (http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=270292&version=1&template_id=37&parent_id=17).

It's a big planet. Each of us only knows a little bit about it.

[KandisTX]

In some cities/states, there are laws on the books that state it is illegal to dress as the other gender in order to commit a felony. However if you are just crossdressed and are NOT breaking any laws, there should not be any issue, however check with the local hall of records to determine the exact wording of those laws.

Kandis:love::rose2:

[Joni Marie Cruz]

Hi, I wasn't going to chime in, since this ground has been plowed over and over, but oh what the hell. As far as I know, and I have done some research, there are no laws that make it illegal to dress in the clothes of the opposite gender, whether m2f or f2m. There may be some laws, as Kandis stated, that make it illegal to go about "in disguise" in order to commit a crime, but that's a different kettle of fish.

Really, if any one has some citations regarding a particular statute and/or ordinance that is still on the books in some jurisdiction or other, it would be so interesting to see it. So far it all seems like rumor of the "I heard..." variety.

Hugs...Joni Mari

[Ann Thomas]

Lol, that all is sooo funny. Make up a great story to say at the bus stop next time you see her.

I've crossdressed in Oregon for years, in public (mainly in the Dalles, but some in Portland as well, cuz that's where I used to shop at Nordstrom's Rack for my shoes).

Should I ask my wife's cousins, who live there in McMinnville? Lol, perish the thought, they're too religious right to see a problem with a law like that!

Hugs and giggles,
Ann

[Hali]

It still bugs me about human nature of non tolerance. Some communities have refused to carry out any research about anything transgender yet they are quick to render it illegal.

The famous scientist Galileo was killed some centuries ago by saying that the world is spherical not round as it was previously thought, it was later discovered that he was right the earth was indeed spherical and no apologies were tendered.

Man is still blaming spirits for some illnesses that can be cured with penicillin.

Some people still think the ability of liking the same sex is not natural and accept that liking opposite sex is natural while in some lizards the entire specie is female and same sex paring is common in the animal kingdom especially in giraffes and monkeys, yet some pple still feel its not natural even though man is a primate himself..............i raise my case

[Michelle-Leigh]

You ladies are gonna hate me for saying this, but (though it is not illegal in the US) you definitely don't want to go to church dressed ! I recently found that there is actually a verse in the Old Testament book of Deutoronomy that prohibits men or women wearing clothes of the other sex. The funny thing about this to me is that I'll bet that 95% or more of the church ladies wear jeans ! A women's label in the jeans DOES NOT make them exclusively female when they look identical to male jeans. I have a pair of JMS pants that I wear to the rink and everywhere, and nobody has ever suspected that they are a ladies' brand in a ladies' size 20.....

[Ann Thomas]

Oh, I've been aware of that passage in Deuteronomy for decades. It's given me a lot of guilt to contend with due to my upbringing in that type of church. I've had to reconcile it with God and feel fully accepted by my Creator as a result.

Really, I say 'that type of church' because there's a multitude of churches and opinions, and there are many that are completely accepting of Crossdressers. When I finally formally came out at work about a year ago, one of the ladies I talked to openly about it told me of the church she attends in the Dalles, Oregon, where there are many types of people there (CD, Gay, anything else you can think of) that go there and are welcome there as they are, including coming to services dressed. I was astounded, and had I lived there at the time, I would have gladly gone.

It's really up to interpretation.

Ann

[Ruth]

The Old Testament was written a long time ago and that part of Deuteronomy, that contains so many do's and don't's, was written for those times, and for the conditions that prevailed.
There have been many interpretations of the verses relating to crossdressing, including that it was a reference to pagan rituals and that it was a reference to avoiding military service by dressing as a woman.
I don't see it as a clear condemnation of the sort of CDing that I do.

[Michelle-Leigh]

The Old Testament was written a long time ago and that part of Deuteronomy, that contains so many do's and don't's, was written for those times, and for the conditions that prevailed.
There have been many interpretations of the verses relating to crossdressing, including that it was a reference to pagan rituals and that it was a reference to avoiding military service by dressing as a woman.
I don't see it as a clear condemnation of the sort of CDing that I do.

Oh, no, Ruth - we are under grace now and not condemnation. What is in there is not too consistent with the NT covenant of forgiveness and the one-time atonement for sins in 0000 AD or whenever it was. I see that thing in the OT as just another of those nit-picky little rules of Moses', such as the one against eating pork..... And neither I nor any others, church-going or not, are going to give up our sausage, bacon, and NC pork BBQ !

[KayC]

You might want to check out the religious section of this forum, they cover that extensively. My only question is why would God make you that way and then hammer you for it? I really wouldn't worry about it. As for women wearing jeans (sigh, we've covered this over and over again!), it is not the same as it is for functionality not identification. It is easier to shovel snow in jeans and boots than in a dress and heels. And please don't argue with me, I LIVE in snow country, I don't even wear dresses to church in the winter cuz I can't get up my driveway in the shoes and damned if it isn't cold! To those who have already replied (in past threads) that they like shoveling in dresses, more power to them...go for it, in fact, come shovel my driveway, I get sick of shoveling, I could use the help! LOL And I don't care what you wear when you're doing it either. I doubt if the bikers across the street care either. :)

[tamarav]

"Appearing in public dressed as the opposite sex" was illegal in Denver, Colo in 1975. I still have the summons.

It was repealed late in 1988, but I am still a little gun-shy of dressing there. That night in jail just does something to you....

[Toni_Lynn]

There is only one solution to this ---- smile when dressed in girls clothes -- then it will be happydressing :)

Huggles

Toni-Lynn

[Amanda Shaft]

Please correct me if I’m wrong but I believe in some parts of Norfolk in the UK cross dressing is compulsory!?

[Fab Karen]

You really wanna feel guilt over what some superstitious chauvinists wrote thousands of years ago?

[Amanda Shaft]

No, I think you're confusing it with incest and bestiality.

NFN (normal for Norfolk)

Sorry of course! I stand corrected.

[Karen__Starr]

The mayor of Silverton, Oregon is a cross dresser, so I wouldn't think it illegal.
I did a little more digging and found that it is NOT illegal to cross dress in Oregon.


To go along with that I have been stopped three (or four) times by police. Every single time it was at night and two times they simply asked if I needed a ride, another time they asked for ID and gave them the ID, they check it out and went on their way.

[nikkijo]

its far from illegal... the portland area is probably next to san fransisco the most liberal area of the USA... hell i very obviously underdressed today looking at waste clinchers and mini skirts for a cosutme im doing.. not a single issue and heck in rave at lloyd center i even got a nice comment on how the overall outfit looked i was trying on... and from a very beautiful and polite female to boot.. so i say forget your friend shes' definately wrong...

[Lorileah]

"Appearing in public dressed as the opposite sex" was illegal in Denver, Colo in 1975. I still have the summons.

It was repealed late in 1988, but I am still a little gun-shy of dressing there. That night in jail just does something to you....

Tamara, come back!!! We have indoor plumbing now and we have paved some of the streets. :) We still let the cattle wander though so no open toed shoes

[NicoleScott]

Tamara, I wonder how many women in Denver in 1975 were arrested for wearing clothes intended for men? They might as well have said MTF crossdressers will be arrested.

[sherri52]

It is not illeagal unless you are completely trying to disguise yourself in order to avoid confrontation ( usually the law).

[Joni T]

If crossdressing was illegal every GG (i.e. real, genetic girl) would eventually be arrested. Every time they wore a pair of Levis 501 jeans they would be crossdressing. All you gotta' do is see which way the fly goes, left over right or right over left. Same thing for shirts, t shirts, etc., etc.
Just my $.02
Joni

[RanneDee]

sounds like gun laws, they vary widely from one state to another:eek: so oregon is ok but denver only has toilets now



seems there's precious little interstate crossdressing.:o

[docrobbysherry]

I see that thing in the OT as just another of those nit-picky little rules of Moses', such as the one against eating pork..... And neither I nor any others, church-going or not, are going to give up our sausage, bacon, and NC pork BBQ !

About dying of tricanosis and going to that REALLY WARM PLACE for eternity?:devil:


Please correct me if I’m wrong but I believe in some parts of Norfolk in the UK cross dressing is compulsory!?

I'm VERY curious, Amanda. How do u pronounce Norfolk?:brolleyes:

[Stacye Rose]

About the passage in Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy is part of The Law that was given to Moses on Mount Sinia. (remember the movie?) The Law was intended for God's chosen people-the Israelites. so unless you're Orthodox Jewish, then The Law doesn't apply to you. Doubt it? Ask a Rabbi

[Cheshire Gummi]

It's funny to me, and possibly only to me, that, in America, they'll execute murders and let rapists get raped, but that's another bag of wolverines for another day, isn't it?

It's not illegal to wear something, it's illegal to wear nothing. Isn't that more amusing than some ignorant klaxon?

[Amanda Shaft]

I'm VERY curious, Amanda. How do u pronounce Norfolk?:brolleyes:

Hi Doc, it goes: Nawfu*k. Its a strange place swathed in mist and bogs known as 'The Fens'. Remember the film Lord of The Rings, when Frodo, Sam and Gollum are crossing the bog of the Dead Marshes, well its all a bit like that and strangley enough most of the folk there do show a very close resemblance to Gollum!

[pinkballetshoes]

I've crossdresses for years in Kentucky, Mississippi, and Virginia. I've never had any issues.

[Fab Karen]

Tamara, come back!!! We have indoor plumbing now and we have paved some of the streets. :) We still let the cattle wander though so no open toed shoes
Didn't see any cattle during the D.N.C.

Wait, you moved the outhouse indoors?:eek:

[Rachaelb64]

Please correct me if I’m wrong but I believe in some parts of Norfolk in the UK cross dressing is compulsory!?

I thought in some parts of Norfolk marrying your sister was compulsory :devil: :tongueout

[Charona]

I suppose in reference to the passage in Deuteronomy, one could point out that everyone at the time wore robes, and no one wore trousers. Put another way, would anyone care to show me a picture of Jesus in trousers?

[MJ]

"Appearing in public dressed as the opposite sex" was illegal in Denver, Colo in 1975. I still have the summons.

It was repealed late in 1988, but I am still a little gun-shy of dressing there. That night in jail just does something to you....

yep i've met some very nice guys in there :heehee:

[windycissy]

Not only is crossdressing perfectly legal in California, it's illegal to discriminate against us: Skirting the Law (http://snurl.com/skirting)

[SweetCaroline]

If crossdressing were illegal in Massachusetts, I'd be serving three life sentences without parole right now. Considering I've walked right past police officers many times while dressed in woman's clothing, and I have been stopped while driving three times, the law has had their chance to arrest me if I was doing anything wrong.

[kimmy p]

I thought in some parts of Norfolk marrying your sister was compulsory :devil: :tongueout

No sorry, but that's the rural parts of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana. And the outskirts of Georgia.

[Amymonroe]

so what i am getting from this tid bit of history lesion is cross dressing has been around for a very long time for it to be in the bible.

amy

[Cristi]

Being arrested WHILE wearing a dress is certainly not equal to being arrested FOR wearing one. :)

There are thousands of reasons that she could have been arrested. It is very doubtful that it was based on what she was wearing unless she was being lude in public somehow in addition to being dressed.

[suchacutie]

Did I miss something...what was the comment about flies of jeans being left over right or right over left? I wear jeans of both genders all the time and haven't noticed any difference at all...did I miss something ?

tina

[Ms Heather T]

I am glad to have joined recently and to hear everyone's perspective.

[Brandiwvr]

any one seen the movie "for the bible tells me so"? it covers this subject and puts it to rest once and for all. I also eat pork. and go to church. episcaperians are very accepting. praise be to the almighty for he set me free. and i will follow in his shadow as best i can.

[nikkijo]

If crossdressing was illegal every GG (i.e. real, genetic girl) would eventually be arrested. Every time they wore a pair of Levis 501 jeans they would be crossdressing. All you gotta' do is see which way the fly goes, left over right or right over left. Same thing for shirts, t shirts, etc., etc.
Just my $.02
Joni
not so... every pair of jeans i own are either womens or JR sizing and ALL are made just like mens in the fly... the difference lies in the ZIPPER and how its attached... not the flap.. only womens blouses and only old ones to boot are backwards..


on a technical note.... \\

mens 510 levis only differ to womens variation in the over all rise of the waist to crotch seam... all other aspects are same when compared size for size... womens are 7.5" of rise... mens are 9.5"

[windycissy]

so what i am getting from this tid bit of history lesion is cross dressing has been around for a very long time for it to be in the bible.

amy

Indeed, and way before that, ancient Greek mythology is full of crossdressing stories, for example Achilles was disguised as a girl by his mother to keep him out of the Trojan War...