Why Can Women Dress In Mens And Not Vica Versa?

[Anita]

why is it women can wear men type clothes /boots etc and nothing is said?
BUT VICA VERSA IS A BIG ISSUE
WHY? :confused:

[Tristen Cox]

Because... :)

[jessbcuzz]

that is always the big question isn't it? I asked my last GG friend the same question. She never really came up with a responce either.

[Tamara Croft]

why is it women can wear men type clothes /boots etc and nothing is said?
BUT VICA VERSA IS A BIG ISSUE
WHY? :confused:Why would I want to wear mens clothes :p They suck.... :lol:

[Anita]

TRISTEN WHY? MY WIFE WEARS TROUSERS TO WORK NO PROBLEM
iF I TURNED UP WEARING A SKIRT MAYHEM

WHO DECIDES

[Anita]

Tamara You Never Wear Trousers ?

[StephanieCD]

Trousers aren't exclusively men's clothing ;)

THe number of times I've seen this question asked and the number of times I've asked it myself... is ridiculous!

It truly is the whole point, isn't it!? *sigh*

[Anita]

No They Aren't But Neither Are Dresses The Exclusive Wear Of Women
The Greek Armed Guard Wear Skirts
The Scots Wear Kilts (no Offense Here)
A Lot Of Foreign Males Wear Attire Akin To A Dress

[Anita]

Put It This Way .some "celebrity" Wears A Gypsy Skirt. All Of A Siudden Girls Arte Wearing Gypsy Skirts For The Summer Instead Of Jeans . Yes?
So If Some Male "celebrities " Suddenly Appeared Wearing A Skirt Of Some Nature And The Guys Copied As A Fashion Statement Would It All Suddenly Become Wear What You Like Or Would The Stigma Still Apply
After Al It Is Abit Of Cloth Nothing More Nothiong Less

[jolien]

I too have asked this question alot and thought about it alot. I think the answer is men, plain and simple. All the girls I have come out to have no problem with whatever clothes I want to wear. I think that the men in the world are the ones with the problem. Most men are just way to afraid to do anything feminine or accept anything feminine. There are some exceptions of course, but for the most part, I think until the average male attitude changes, this will continue to be the question we all ask.

[~Tammy~]

I've come to the same conclusion as Jolien. I believe it's all down to men. The majority of men want to portray a masculine image as much as possible, purely for the benefit of their friends/family. For them to simply accept a guy in a skirt, they would then think there friends believe he is also a big girlie, which in his mind, being a macho type, is unacceptable.

I have no problem going out in a skirt and walking by a group of women, but walking by a gang of lads? - That's the only thing that puts me off.

[Tamara Croft]

Tamara You Never Wear Trousers ?
Yes of course I wear trousers, but they AREN'T mens trousers. They are designed for women. The whole point is this, women wear what they want because they couldn't care less what anyone else thinks. If I want to wear trousers, then I'll wear them. If you want to wear a skirt, then by all means go out and wear one. There is NO law stating you can't, it's because society has it drummed in it's thick head that skirts are for GIRLS. So..... you say it's NOT fair.... well if it's not fair.... go out and shout from the roof tops that you want to wear what the hell you like and sod the rest of you :D Ok? gonna do it then??

[StephanieCD]

Do you have to be right all the time? Oh wait, you're a GG - never mind ;)









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[Julie]

Anita,

It wasn't always this way, at least not here in America. In Indian cultures they thought the transgendered person was a gift from the gods. There were many different names used to refer to them but 'Berdache' or 'Two Spirit' seem to be the most common. The Indian tribes, with the exception of the few warring tribes like Commanche and Sioux, felt the Berdache were gifted because they could relate to both men and women. They were counselors, Medicine Men (Women), tribal chieftans or other positions deemed to be of great importance. They dressed like women but did not use any false enhancements to make themselves pass as a woman. That would have been seen as foolish when you are already revered as a holy person just the way you are.

Once the English way of life was injected into their cultures the Berdache were no longer revered and soon became outcasts. When you think how Indian philosophy was, it seemed like such a simple common sense way to view life. They tended to see the good in people and things and accept it for who or what they are. The uptight Victorian beliefs pretty much changed all that. What a shame.

Here's some info if you're interested in reading more.

The Two Spirit People (http://www.dailyemerald.com/archive/v98/1/961014/identity.html)

The Berdache (http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/gender/intersexuals/berdache_tradition.htm)

The Two Spirit Tradition (http://www.androphile.org/preview/Culture/NativeAmerica/amerindian.htm)

The Berdache Spirit (http://nu-woman.com/berdache.htm)

[Bernadina]

why is it women can wear men type clothes /boots etc and nothing is said?
BUT VICA VERSA IS A BIG ISSUE
WHY? :confused:

Its a marketing thing.

The manufactures are burdened with warehouses full of boring, ugly, non-descript mens clothes. They have to keep the men not wearing womans clothes prejudices alive or they'll never be able to unload the stuff.

[AshleyAshes]

Generally, it implies on the hierarchical structure between men and women in our society. Men are positioned above women in importance and power, hence a woman trying to be a man is simply seen as a woman trying to improve her station in life. At worst, it's seen as 'cute', like when a small child dresses up like an adult.

On the reverse, though, it implie that men who are becoming women are somehow giving something up and demeaning themselves, which is why it's seen as so comical. A sort of 'Heehee... look at that silly, stupid person doing such a silly, stupid thing" mentallity.

That's part of the reason everybody focuses so much on MtFs in TV shows and talk shows and whatnot, while FtMs are essentially invisible. In society's view, women don't matter overall, even the ones who are foolish enough to think they're men. Meanwhile, a man who wants to become a woman (being so stupid, as above) is a spectacle to be mocked and derided and held out as a poor example, so other men won't be so stupid.

And this is a theme that's been with western culture for thousands of years now. Isn't it neat?

[Ophelia D'Void]

For whatever reason, women have historically had to fight for the right to be equal to men.

At the dawn of the United States' inception, I believe that when census polls were done, women were considered 1/2 a person, and slaves 1/5th. Women had to fight for rights to work in the same areas as men, then they had to fight for certain rights in the workplace (hard to work when you're 9 months pregnant or just gave birth).

They had to fight to keep out of abusive relationships (decades ago women had to fight for rape laws, as many rapes were often unreported [and still are], and there was more than a bit of chauvanism in the courtroom; and longer ago than that women fought the battle for prohibition of alcohol to keep from being beat to death by abusive drunken husbands).

Men, being the status quo, have become accustomed to sitting around, complaining "oh, how come minorities get special treatment, how come everything is sexual harassment, blah blah" but in actuality what we're seeing is a bit of balancing of the scales after centuries of one sided social values. If it tips too much in one direction we call "foul", but it's not like we're getting beaten to death. In actuality, we as crossdressers are fairly well protected (although not always, as a few posts have shown) by hate crime legislation, due to backbone by alot of gay and minority groups who were getting kinda tired of being lynched.

Fairly recently, the whole "women in pants" movement was hard fought by many women. In the times of the industrial revolution, pictures of women in "knickers" was a kind of pornography, somewhat akin to the BDSM movement of today. And certain celebrites had the backbone to wear pants, despite public ridicules. I was watching a special on Katherine Hepburn after she passed away, and Barbara Walters was asking her when she was ever going to wear a skirt, since she was well known for always wearing trousers. The grand dame's response was "I'll wear a skirt to your funeral" :thumbsup:

Some celebrities have started trying to get men in skirts more in the public eye, like recently with Vin Diesel in a leather kilt. It'll be a slow process, but it'll happen. We as crossdressers have to stop letting other people fight our battles for us, what with the social and political impact of Stonewall, and all the equality movements in the 60's and 70's. Anything worthwhile must be fought for, and we've been sitting on our hands all this time.

O

[obsessedwithpantyhose]

all of the males who know me and have seen me wearing a skirt wether it be fully dressed or me in just pantyhose and a skirt DONOT have any problems with it,, because they know ME the person inside the skirt :D

[Puer]

I have a feeling that its also something to do with living in a primarily patriarchal society. Historically men were seen as superior to women, with more power and more freedom. In the struggle for equality, women appropriated men's clothing as a way of acquiring some of that freedom. (e.g. I imagine it's far easier to climb a mountain dressed in trousers and boots, than wearing a corset, full length skirt with several petticoats and heels!) However, on the whole men would not have choosen to wear women's clothes, as that would have been taking on the dress of people seen as subservient or second class.

Unfortunately, whilst the fight for equality - over decades if not centuries - has made it ok for women to wear what were traditional men's clothes, it hasn't yet got there for men to wear whatever they like. I've no doubt it will change eventually, we all just need to keep shouting about it.

Of course, we may all end up wearing unisex jump suits - assuming the vision of the future put forward by some sci-fi films comes true!

P :)

PS I've snuck in from the FTM side, so I hope you don't my me sticking my two pence worth in - I find the fact that there is this dichotomy very interesting.

PPS Ashley and Ophelia you are obviously faster typists than me - I started this reply yonks ago!

[Julie]

There was another thread that covered this same subject about two weeks ago and it had a lot of good comments. Check it out (http://http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11314).

[Tamara Croft]

There was another thread that covered this same subject about two weeks ago and it had a lot of good comments. Check it out (http://http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11314).
Did you find that search button hmm?? or did you become Mystic Julie :p

[Puer]

Fantastic reply, Ophelia. You put it far better than I did. P

[Deanna2]

I've read the various responses here and the only one that makes any sense at all is Tristen's "because".

Luvya

[AshleyAshes]

It wasn't always this way, at least not here in America. Yes, except this is an entirely different 'North America' than it was back then. Now it is North America: Part of western civilzation. Then it was 'The new world'. The native populations sparsely populated across the continent in comparison to Europe. You can't say 'It wasn't always like this' because you are of western decent, infact, judging by the picture thread, this forum is white enough that a Klu Klutz Klan meeting could be held here. The 'two spirit' thing wasn't as widely spread as people belive or report, it's just that any online article makes anything appear to be wide spread. Not that it didn't exist either. Of course now, it pretty much dosn't exist, most all Native American cultures have been assimilated. Welcome to the 21st century.

[Ophelia D'Void]

Fantastic reply, Ophelia. You put it far better than I did. P


Thanks Puer:) Didn't think anyone actually read any of my replies.

Interesting point about the mountain climbing with the heels. I'd try it out myself, but I hate scuffing patent leather, plus don't feel like squealing like a pig to some mountain man ;)

O

[Rachel Ann]

Curtsies to Ophelia and Puer, who said it well.

I think that it's directly related to the historical undervaluation of women in our society - i.e. "What does it matter how they dress, they're only women".

Along these lines, hardcore porn (including live shows) tends to attract less outrage and law enforcement when only women are involved. "What does it matter what they do, they're only women."

[Clare]

If you look back through history, men traditioanally have worn skirt type clothes with what we would call leggings or tights today.

When you think about it, skirts leave more space for the 'jewells' than pants do, so for practical purposes, skirts are actually more comfortable!

I guess for the last centuray or so, dresses and skirts have become the only item that is exclusively the possession of women these days.

If the male masses could experience just how comfortable a lot of womens wear is, let a lone sensual, there'd be a big fashion change in a short period of time!

Christine

[AshleyAshes]

This isn't about skirts anyway. Skirts are not necessarily feminin. The kilt is essentually a skirt and there's little feminin about it. A skirt is feminin because it is an item of clothing ment for women, a kilt is masculine because it is made for men.

Same with jeans, different styles for different genders, even the zippers going on different sides depending on the gender. Thusly, pants are no longer 'male'. There are womens jeans and mens jeans, mens jeans are male and women's jeans are female.

[Drucilla]

Maybe it's the MEN who have changed, not the women. Look back a couple of hundred years--men wore wigs, tights, very frilly "blouses", makeup (at least powdered faces),corsets, etc. Hell, from a lot the pictures I have seen , men dressed as fancy --if not more so --than women. And it was the top of the social ladder that dressed the most ! Something other men aspired to be like. Where did it all go "wrong"?

Also, think of the possibilities this could open up .
Well Dear,
I got the wig to see what George Washington really was feeling when he fathered a country. And to think , we carry a picture of a man in a wig in wallets everyday--at least those of us in the US.
The earring ? To get in touch with the pirate within. After all Black Beard wore one.
The high heels ? Well they made Nepolian look taller.
The shaved legs ? Lance Armstrong of course . Now there's a man who's not ashame of showing off his shave legs in public ! Maybe not ancient history but a ture roll model anyway !
The tights? Robin Hood obviously. At least mine aren't green !
The eyeliner ? Have you looked at King Tut lately ?
And on and on . The possibilites are endless. Maybe it's time for a new "Roots" movement.

[Ophelia D'Void]

It's interesting that in the past women wore long skirts and men wore shorter skirts with tights.

The tights were actually a trend started by the monastic orders, being a symbol of chastity (have you ever tried getting busy with tights on?). Eventually the look caught on with the upper classes, and the lower classes trying to emulate the upper classes. Often times tights were a sign of one's station in life. It was difficult to make tights that fit, so depending on how well your hosiery fit, the higher your station in life.

Heels were started by the Mongolians I think. During the Han dynasty, when the Mongolians invaded China, they were enamored by the Chinese styles, and especially the women, with their bound feet, and the belief that with the mincing steps associated with foot binding, tightened pelvic muscles gave other areas certain tightness. The Mongolians then tried to get their women to bind their feet, but they said "no way", but instead they got the women to wear heels as a compromise, which still made their feet look smaller and affected their gait, but wasn't permanent.

Eh, just a side note of useless facts...

O

[AshleyAshes]

Maybe it's the MEN who have changed, not the women. Look back a couple of hundred years--men wore wigs, tights, very frilly "blouses", makeup (at least powdered faces),corsets, etc. Hell, from a lot the pictures I have seen , men dressed as fancy --if not more so --than women. And it was the top of the social ladder that dressed the most ! Something other men aspired to be like. Where did it all go "wrong"?By the upper class, sure. Of course in the lower classes, which constituted just about everybody in Europe they tended to dress as what they were, peasents.

That's like saying everyone in America dresses like eccentric rock stars, because they'e all on TV while the masses that shop at Wal-Mart are ignored. :/

[Drucilla]

Ashley,
My point was simply that many of the things many of us worry so much about public acceptance of today -wigs, pierced ears, tights, heels, etc.---were at one time not only accpted by socity but were things that many men aspired to emulate. Sorry if you read something more into my comments.

[Deborah757]

Maybe the real answer is not in the fashion, which as some have stated changes from time to time and culture to culture.

The real answer is that women dressed in "Men's clothes" as you say, are not trying to look like men. CDers dressed in traditionally women's clothing are trying to look like and pass as women.

That is what people object to, not the clothes themselves.

[JenniRose]

Women can wear men's pants and clothing since they took many of the men's jobs during WWII.

Men have never really taken women's jobs, though there is some in-roads being made in the nursing, teaching and home-maker areas.

I guess the world thinks it is okay for a woman to act masculine, but not the other way around. I'm not sure why, but I don't like it.

I can do my job every bit as well in a nice dress, skirt suit or skirt set as I can it the restrictive suit I have to wear everyday.

I am a person with creative talents and specialized knowledge. Does it matter if I wear a skirt or pants? Can you not get over your age-old predjudices?

I, and many of my sisters, want to be accepted as being female, even if born with a male body.

We are not out to seduce you...most of us have significant others.

We are not out to change your children...like us, they must find their own way.

We are not out to change the world...well maybe we are. All we ask for is acceptance.

Since those that are reading this already know what I am talking about, it is wasted. We need to reach those that only think they are single gendered. All of us are bi-gendered, only the degree of the bi-genderism matters.

Thanks to listening to my ravings...it was not a good day at work today.

JenniRose

[Rachel Ann]

By the upper class, sure. Of course in the lower classes, which constituted just about everybody in Europe, they tended to dress as what they were, peasants.

Maybe the real answer is not in the fashion, which as some have stated changes from time to time and culture to culture.

The real answer is that women dressed in "Men's clothes" as you say, are not trying to look like men. CDers dressed in traditionally women's clothing are trying to look like and pass as women.

That is what people object to, not the clothes themselves.
WELL SAID, Ashley and Deborah! Even in the 20th century, there have been cultures (Spain, Argentina, etc.) where owning a shirt was a big deal. The same goes for shoes, and perhaps still does.

Another thought: Women are expected to be fashion conscious, and men are not. So, women are given greater latitude in what constitutes “fashion”. Or, perhaps, it’s just another sop to an otherwise disadvantaged class.

[Ophelia D'Void]

Women can wear men's pants and clothing since they took many of the men's jobs during WWII.

Men have never really taken women's jobs, though there is some in-roads being made in the nursing, teaching and home-maker areas.

I guess the world thinks it is okay for a woman to act masculine, but not the other way around. I'm not sure why, but I don't like it.

I can do my job every bit as well in a nice dress, skirt suit or skirt set as I can it the restrictive suit I have to wear everyday.

I am a person with creative talents and specialized knowledge. Does it matter if I wear a skirt or pants? Can you not get over your age-old predjudices?

I, and many of my sisters, want to be accepted as being female, even if born with a male body.

We are not out to seduce you...most of us have significant others.

We are not out to change your children...like us, they must find their own way.

We are not out to change the world...well maybe we are. All we ask for is acceptance.

Since those that are reading this already know what I am talking about, it is wasted. We need to reach those that only think they are single gendered. All of us are bi-gendered, only the degree of the bi-genderism matters.

Thanks to listening to my ravings...it was not a good day at work today.

JenniRose


Maybe the stigma is that people associate dressing with sex (which is stigmatized in its own right in the US). Heck, sex is considered worse than violence in this country.

I think part of what made people accept gays is that they started seeing it as a lifestyle thing rather than a sexual thing. Was watching Queer Eye with Ayla last night, and they were fixing up a guy who was a nudist. And the nudist was saying that they get as much flack as gays do, since they often associate it with something sexual, which it isn't.

Well, maybe with gays it's a little sexual, just as with dressing, but then again, isn't that what distinguishes people that are straight too??? It's still sexual, it's just about who you choose to have sex with. Maybe the celibates are just sitting on the sidelines laughing at everyone... since they're on the moral high ground on this one.

[arula]

why is it women can wear men type clothes /boots etc and nothing is said?
BUT VICA VERSA IS A BIG ISSUE
WHY? :confused:

Ahhhh... The joys of being a boy dressing to be a girl. I get hot every time I do it.

[Anita]

some very good reading in the varied answers.
Thank you girls for your contributions
Anita xx

[Julie]

Did you find that search button hmm?? or did you become Mystic Julie :p

I learned from the best. And remember, everybody likes a nice @$$, nobody likes a wise @$$ ;)

[Tamara Croft]

I learned from the best. And remember, everybody likes a nice @$$, nobody likes a wise @$$ ;)
I've heard that before..... :p well I have a nice @$$ and the wise @$$ well... she's gone ta bed..... :D

[emmicd]

I think there is now a blending of how people dress on the big stage. There are creative and very talented male musicians who dress androgynous or for that matter very feminine.

It seems the more artistic or creative the person the more blurred their style of dress can be. I'm not trying to generalize but that is the impression I get.

Even some other celebs like Eddie Izzard is known for his crossdressing.

On the stage it seems to be more acceptable then it does in the general workplace. I think the biggest hurdle is relaxing the dress code at work which will never happen in the near future.

However if a guy wants to walk around in the mall in a dress by enhancing his femme image and work on passability I certainly feel he/she can do it without too much opposition. As long as they conduct themselves properly and try not to make a commotion about it. Usually though they only do it on a very limited basis and never reveal it to others. They usually go it alone!

Emmi

[Catherine in Colo]

I hate to be the wet blanket on this conversation, but to me, the answer to this question is obvious, and has little to do with anthropology or fashion.

First, I think it is safe to say that for most tv/ts/cd folk, we dress because we gain a certain degree of fulfillment, pleasure, or enjoyment from the specific act of wearing women’s clothing. While in a perfect world, that should be perfectly acceptable, there is seldom any correlation between why we aren’t accepted wearing women’s clothing and why women are accepted wearing men’s clothing.

When women wear pants, or a man-tailored shirt, they don’t tape down their breasts, wear men’s briefs underneath, or insert of phallus into their shorts. They are not attempting to “pass” as men, nor are they usually gaining any specific pleasure in the fact that they are wearing “masculine” clothing, not to the same degree that we find in wearing feminine clothing.

While I do agree that women enjoy a liberation when it comes to fashion options that most men just don’t have, I would guess that the vast majority of women view those fashion options as ones that enhance their femininity, while I would also guess that very few crossdressers see their desire to wear “feminine” clothing as something that enhances their masculinity.

Until crossdressers start wearing skirts, heels, or blouses to the office without worrying about stuffing our bras, shaving our legs, or “tucking,” then I don’t see how this is a valid argument…

Renee.

[Anita]

i THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL SQUARE ON THE HEAD THERE RENEE. THANK YOU FOR POSTING IN MY FORUM :)

[RhondaLynn]

Everyone posting here seems to have some very valid points, all of which are parts of the whole, that being a very complex and varied whole, depending on who you ask.

Yes, women crossed the gender-specific work roles during the WW - remembering the 'Rosie the Riveter' images.

And Yes, there is always the testosterone-dripping masculine crowd awaiting their chance to condemn anyone who causes them to question their sexuality.

I remember back in the late '60s and early 70s, when women were fighting for the right to wear 'pant suits' (uggh - knit polyester beasties) to work. The male-dominant society at the time dictated what was and was not acceptable for women in the office workplace (at least around here). It took them years to gain acceptance to wear slacks in lieu of dresses, skirts, hose, girdles, etc. to work - they suffered & fought for their right to dress as they wished in the workplace (although their generation for the most part never really achieved competitive salaries compared to men in the same positions).

They wanted to change their fashion, which had been dictated by men, they won their fight, and a new era of women's fashion was born. However, as stated earlier in this thread, the new era saw clothes designed for women to match their gender & body types that were appropriate for their work environment. And since few women really want to 'look masculine' (those who do have no problem with it though...) - women's fashions have evolved over time to a point where literally anything is now acceptable, for the most part. Basically, women are now dictating what they wear - the male-dominance in society of womens attire has shifted.

There are those who continue to confuse the innocent CDer browsing at camisoles & slips @ Wal-Mart as sexual deviants & child molesters (a few months ago I was doing just that, and an eldely couple did a double-take at me as their grandchild wandered down the isle toward me - the lady snatched the child, gave me a COLD stare, and said something like 'come on child - let's get away from here'. Sheesh - but then, there are those who cannot overcome their primary socialization, no matter how off-target it may have been or has become through the years. One must overlook them.

Then, uhhh - oh yeah - the secret power part! There are women who know that there is a secret power associated w/ femininity - they know that we who dare cross over have seen the light, but they want to jealously covet the secrets for themselves. To have us wandering around discovering the source of their powers presents a clear & present danger to them, and they will stop at no end to ensure that they alone retain said secrets.

And of course, there are the women who already feel insecure in their own sexuality (thanks, current society, for projecting a false image of what a 'woman' should be to our upcoming young female generations), and not taking all being stated in this thread into consideration, feel threatened by men who want be what they themselves struggle so hard to maintain - being what is perceived to be a 'woman' in today's society.

Oh yes - Kilts. I have used the statement made earlier in this thread regarding men & kilts many times in defense when being aggressively confronted by psycho-SO as she outs me in front of her friends, men have external plumbing - we need the extra space & freedom that an open-bottom garment provides. I find it relaxing to come home after work, shed my work clothes & wrap a skirt around me as i lounge around the house in the evening.
As to kilts vs. skirts - i'm afraid there is a difference: As a man at work once told a GG co-worker (He was a Celtic warrior in a Renaissance Guild, and was in town talking about how 'on the weekends he puts on a kilt, straps on his long sword, and is a Celtic Warrior. She was totally mesmerized, telling everyone about it at lunch. Her biggest question was 'what on earth do they wear under those things?'. Having taken quite a bit of World History in college, i immediately answered 'Nothing. The Scotts in the middle ages NEVER wore anything under their Kilts - they 'liked the freedom' or something of the sort - i forget the professor's actual words. annnyway closing this quote (she finally asked him)) (he said): "Lady, if you wear anything under it, it's not a Kilt anymore - it's a Skirt !!!, as he walked away scowling. I looked at her and said 'See - i tried to tell ya.'

ok, ok, gotta let the kbd cool off. But as I think i opened with, this is a wide & varied subject. Many things work both together & against the Collective (the acceptance of people who have no problem with their duality of gender).
I doubt it will ever be 'accepted', but to a certain degree, it is being 'ignored' more than when I was younger. We're getting there - we may never actually 'get there' (in the limit as acceptance(t) approaches unity), but we'll get rather close if we don't blow it.

Don't I have a job or something I'm supposed to be at today?

[axdressa]

why is it women can wear men type clothes /boots etc and nothing is said?
BUT VICA VERSA IS A BIG ISSUE
WHY? :confused:
I said the same thing ages ago ... women have been wearing male clothes for years ... nothing is ever said about it .. but if a male dresses in womens clothes he is classed as a pervert, gay or worse
hugz Mallisa xxx

[Katie Ashe]

Because...
Your A guy, why would you want to...
Do as I say, Not as I do.
Womens Lib...
Mr. Allen Gant Senior invented pantyhose...
Otto Titzling didn't envent the bra for men...