Have Any of Your Guy Friends Revealed They Dress?

[Marissa Mae]

I have had this theory for a while (among many others :heehee:)... coupled with the statistic that 2 out of 10 guys crossdress (20%), and the fact that I have a pretty large network of guy friends, isn't it probable that at least 1 or 2 of my guy friends crossdress? Imagine, my best friend actually dresses, but neither of us know it, may have been at the same bar dressed and not realized it! That'd make life easier once it was time for the big reveal, if everyone found out, and then I have a friend message me (on here even :) ) to say that they are finally happy to have someone they know to share this thing with :hugs: I would love to hear a story of this happening to someone!

[tricia_uktv]

Ha-ha, beware of what you read. From my experience:

Pretty much every guy has thought about it.
1 in about 100 have likely done it once behind closed doors
1 in about 1000 may have done it on halloween or a special occasion (i.e. in public)
1 in 100,000 have likely done it in safe areas like gay or transvestite joints - at night!
1 in 250,000 have actually been out dressed in a town or a City in daylight.

But I may be wrong

[Elsa Larson]

1 in 250,000 have actually been out dressed in a town or a City in daylight.
But I may be wrong

I like to think of my self as one in a million, but i'll settle for being .25 in a million.

[Lorileah]

no....I don't hang out with guys who do ...that :) Of course it hasn't come up in conversation yet...they just found out about me this week so we shall see

[sterling12]

Lori!!!! You "outed" yourself to your friends? Brave Gurl!!!!

Addressing The Thread, let's use the more widely used predictions of around 5%. I think you can site Kinsey Studies and get that figure. Now that includes everyone, who has ever tried it, and probably the number of "practicing" CD's is a good deal smaller.

But, if we go with a 5% figure that means if you know 39 other males, (you would be statistically the first 1 in 20,) then one of those other guys is likely a TG Person. Two of you in forty? Not bad odds....guess you'll have to start investigating to figure out who your "Sista'" might be.

Peace and Love, Joanie

[Kate Simmons]

Are you kidding? I hang out with macho guys even though they like my femme self. They would never admit to it personally.

[Kaitlin the cd]

I found out a guy I knew since 6th grade crossdresses about 2 weeks ago. We might be going out dressed Saterday.

[trannie T]

I have no idea as to the number of crossdressers there are but suspect the number is rather low. Most crossdressers do not venture very far from the closet and rarely out themselves to even their closest friends. Each one of us may know a few crossdressers, none of whom have outed themselves to us just as we have not outed ourselves to them.

[sherri52]

When I was having trouble with my wife I joined her with her therapist. The therapist ended up siding with me about the cd'ing and quoted that 25% of all men have done some form of cd'ing. That doesn't mean that they still do but they had to be curious. My guess is that peer pressure stopped the dressing and they are now afraid of that side of themselves.

[TSchapes]

I work for a large Fortune 500 company in the I.T. department. Most everyone knows I belong to the LGBT group at work and that I'm a CD. I have yet to have anyone contact me and say they do it too.

Even if you take a figure like 1% of the population is a MTF CD, that's 50 people for every 10,000 (5,000 would be female). So in a small town of 50,000 you would have around 250 CD's. Doesn't that seem like an awful lot? So even 1% seems high to me. Of course people could prove me wrong by coming out! LOL as if that's going to happen.

Someone mentioned the Kinsey Report and there were two books, no ongoing reports per se, they were: Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953). Alfred Kinsey was more about sexual orientation and had coined the "Kinsey Scale" to reflect that.

There has never been an accurate count of TG within any community in the U.S. If you have any empirical research on this topic, I sure would love to see it.

-Tracy

[Caroline C]

I've always thought a few guys I know may also crossdress but I would not want or care to know if they did. It wouldn't alter my perception one bit but even if I found out I wouldn't start talking "shop" about it. I've always been in the closet and right now I want to keep it that way.

[dilane]

I know two CD's who discovered they were both CD's after knowing each other for 20 years! They even went on trips with their wives together without knowing. One of them disclosed to the other finally. From then on they went out together a lot.

As far as numbers go, it's so hard to tell because as a group, the various flavors of fetish-cd-tg-ts and variations of each are generally very closeted and secretive.

I live in LA, a metro area of about 10 million, and there's only one TG club, and my sense is that there are only a four or five hundred who go out to the club in a given year, a microscopic percentage of the population.

Then among those, only 10-15% of those go out into the straight world with any regularity.

I go to straight clubs, and I will occasionally see a TG/TS (that I can recognize with my trained T-dar), maybe 1 other besides me in a club with 100 women.

TS's may be more numerous in the outside world than CD/TG's.

[JenniferR771]

Odd. At support group I met a cd from Detroit. Who worked for a major major corporation and was a member of the LGBT group. They were writing up a policy statement for the corp Human Resources Dept--hoping it would be accepted and implemented. Similar experience, I think. Cds are so secretive, seldom out themselves at work.

[Diane Smith]

To my knowledge, none of my current male friends crossdresses, or at least has ever done it seriously. However, of the two closest friends I had as a child, both closeby neighbors, it turns out that both of them dressed from time to time at or before puberty. One of them is still pretty serious about it and I have seen him dressed a couple of times while out and about. Neither one shared this with my explicitly, though -- I found out through observation and from hints other people dropped about it.

Maybe it was something in the water in our neighborhood.

- Diane

[StaceyJane]

I work at a large hospital. I once saw a profile on URNOTALONE from someone who worked at the same place but I have never meet this person. He might not even work there anymore.

[MissyW]

I don"t think any of my male friends xdress. However, there are a couple who wouldn't surprise me if they did.

[Marlena-4now]

I once saw a post (different site) from a CDr who met his brother at a TG event and they learned for the first time they both loved to crossdress ! I'm sure my brother never suspected the truth about me and for all I know he does it also. So , I would say there is a good chance even if a friend of yours is "a sister" you will never know. Sad, isn't it ?

[sterling12]

Someone mentioned the Kinsey Report and there were two books, no ongoing reports per se, they were: Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953). Alfred Kinsey was more about sexual orientation and had coined the "Kinsey Scale" to reflect that.

There has never been an accurate count of TG within any community in the U.S. If you have any empirical research on this topic, I sure would love to see it.

-Tracy

Sorry Tracy, I didn't site my sources. It's been years since I read The material, and I'm not sure if it was within Kinsey's Original Studies, or later research done by The Institute.

What I remember reading is the figure 5%. I think there have been other studies that also support numbers around that percentage. However, there are others who quote much higher and lower figures, so you are right, it's a difficult assertion to make.

Kinsey and his followers worked by extrapolating raw numbers from their direct interviews. I haven't seen The Questions asked of respondents, nor data on The Totals, (although I seem to remember that they were well over 100K interviews.)

Perhaps one of our Sisters who work in that area can enlighten us.

Peace and Love, Joanie

[Sallee]

good thread I have often wondered that sitting in a boring meeting who around me may also be a CD. I am sure some one is but who:daydreaming:

[Lorileah]

I would say there is a good chance even if a friend of yours is "a sister" you will never know. Sad, isn't it ?

Very much so. Maybe it will change someday.

[JanetHarper]

One of my friends openly admits he likes stockings and silky underwear and painting his nails. So um... I guess he's a CD.

Another hasn't said anything but his wife describes him as a lesbian trapped in a man's body so I wonder...

I'd say the percentage varies where you live. I've been in a Sydney op shop (Oxford st. area) where there were three other girls at the same time. It can get quite competitive but at least there's no embarrassment in trying stuff on. On the other hand TG friendly stores probably concentrate the sample.

[Rebecca Jayne]

I know this one jerk a**kisser at work who I avoid like the plague, a while back he left his computer on after he left work, someone got into it and found his pic file and he's a cd. No one at work let on, directly, but they know

Now I know and my feelings about him haven't changed one bit.
Never did care for him. One of those few people I wish I never knew.

[Kinky with Ink]

Hmm I know of one TG but he's pretty out in the open about it. I'm thinking about telling him about me so he knows he's not alone. The rest of the gay crowd I hang out with thinks he's a little weird because of it but they all accept him regardless. I wish I had the guts to come out in the open like that. As far as other guys I know I wouldn't think so. Though all of the guys I know including me dress androgynously. Hmm one day I'll kick this closet door down.

[Nadia-Maria]

Pretty much every guy has thought about it.
1 in about 100 have likely done it once behind closed doors
1 in about 1000 may have done it on halloween or a special occasion (i.e. in public)
1 in 100,000 have likely done it in safe areas like gay or transvestite joints - at night!
1 in 250,000 have actually been out dressed in a town or a City in daylight.

But I may be wrong


Many people believe the biggest problem is at estimating any number or any ratio concerning a fuzzy population. Whereas, the real issue is at carefully defining what you want to count. When a definition is unambiguous, there exist almost always efficient means to estimate the ratio of this carefully defined population.

Anyway, several of your figures don't relate to what I got from careful cross analyses of various large scale in-depth studies, polls and various testings. And I have got convergent figures using entirely diverse and independent procedures about "regular crossdressers (RCDs)".

Of course that's entirely true that many (if not most) men crossdress (or have crossdressed) according to any very broad definition of crossdressing.

But, if you refine the definition to genuine men who crossdress :
. regularly and often ; and NOW (not only some time in the past)
. as a rule wholly dressed as a real woman
. because they like (or need) to CD and not for any other practical reason (what means : neither for money/ job / entertaining others, nor just for sex and for nothing other)
. not denying themselves as being CD/TG

=> you will find convergent figures between 1 per thousand and 1 percent.
My best estimate in our western countries is around 5 or 6 per thousand.


Many of these RCDs either go outside in the real world from time to time, and/or have at least come out to their SO if they dress only home. When going outside (at the supermarket, shopping, or just walking in a rather desert and safe area), most of them get unnoticed. Most of them will never go regularly to TG or gay clubs, nor will go out for special events. But they go outside from time to time, almost unnoticed, in the town, or even better in the country. The key factor is most go outside RARELY, nevertheless they go outside from time to time. Many are rather introverted people who prefer dressing only home. They needn't to go outside that often.
Being rarely outside, often unnoticed, almost never attending events or going in gay/CD friendly clubs, they will escape detection from most of people.
Yet they are at least one in a thousand in any open western country such as UK or France.

Therefore if your basis for estimating is from considering the number of CDers going in gay/CD clubs, you will underestimate dramatically the number of their population.

You wrote :
"1 in 250,000 have actually been out dressed in a town or a City in daylight."
My suggestion is you can easily multiply this ratio by a factor of 100 to 500 :
. depending on your definitions of a "town" , "daylight" , and especially on the number of times they actually did it.
. discarding areas where the risk level may be too high.

[Jocelyn Quivers]

I will take a guess and say that none of my guy friends dress. Or if they do they are like me and they are well trained at staying in the closet.

[Ashlee]

I know of no one of my guy friends that would do this sort of stuff and I'd be very surprised to learn if they did. I often wonder though about who I pass on the street, in the store etc who CD's.

[Kate Jennings]

I was in a drag show for charity once...little did anyone at the show know that I cd in my real life...of the dozen men that were there dressed every guy but one was whining about how they didnt want to be dressed but were doing it for "the cause". One guy seemed completely comfortable being dressed and had been in this show for a number of years.

At a party after the show he sidled up to me, commented on how natural a woman I made and then leaned in to tell me he liked to dress in real life "just so I knew". Well I couldn't help myself and I said "so do I"! We laughed at our spontaneous admissions and we have gotten together a few times to dress together.

[Josephine 1941]

Hi Marissa, I live in Flordia, an have found that there are a lot of us here. I have met Sterling a while back but the trip up to Tampa , St Pete is a ride. I am down in Venice an have found a few Gurls that will do E Mails but are afraid to venture out. One gurl I met just 2 wks ago started off nice we met in drab had a vry nice coffee break, talked and I tried to get together with her some night to be dressed. I think her S O put the brakes on it. I hope she will E mail me again so we can get together . I am now talking with 2 others just to get together for a night of the gurls , they both have wives that they say are all right with them dressing. Only time will tell. As for another a old friend of mine that use to dress in a scout show many years ago, we have just talked and I hope he will come down an vist meI told him that I dress and he did'nt have a problem with it so I think he is a long time CD too. Jo

[docrobbysherry]

Just a few weeks ago, I was at a poker game with some buddies and acquaintances. Finally, one guy runs out of money during a hand. The other guy left in the pot says, "Well, I'll let u call if you'll wear one of my wife's thongs for us".

He replies, " No problem, I call. And, I'm wearing one now!":eek:

Next guy at the table says, " So am I."

The next guy says, " I HATE thongs! Much prefer soft silk panties."

The next guy opens his wallet and passes around a pic of him in a dress, heels, and hose.

The guy next to me rolls up his pants, and is wearing nylons!

Finally, it's MY turn. Just as I open my mouth, I WOKE UP!:devil:

[tanya1976]

I bet the percentage is a lot higher than people think but guys are rubbish at this stuff! Most basically 'straight' men STILL feel compelled to adopt the macho image in public even with close friends but...if you want to know what they're really like, ask the wives/partners! :)

[SherriePall]

I like to think that I am the only one I know. Afterall, I believe that dressing up is special and, therefore, I am special. And because I am special, no one else can be!

[miss robyn]

I dont' believe any of my friends dress, and if they did that'd be great. If one did and came to me and told me, at first I wouldn't be sure if he was joking around or not, but then I'd pry ease into it and make sure he wasn't messing around, then i would tell him that I do also....ohh how I wish that would happen

[trannie T]

If you count the number of people you know and divide that by the percentage of crossdressers then it is very likely you know several. It is frustrating not knowing which ones they are.

[JackieB]

Both my wife's brother and sister knew that I crossdressed and had seen photos of us skating along the lakefront in Chicago with me wearing a female figure skating dress and tights. It's impossible not to recognize me if you know me because I don't wear a wig or make-up. They both said that they loved the outfits I wore and had no problems seeing me in tights or pantyhose when they came to our appartment to visit. One day when we came to visit the inlaws, I went down to the basement to get a tool I was borrowing and there was my brother in law in a pair of tights and a leotard. He tried to hide behind the bar and his face was red as a beet. I broke the silence by asking "so Craig, tell me, how do the tights feel" He said "weird, my stomach feels like it's on a rollercoaster", I told him that I know the feeling and love it and he said that he did too. I asked if he had run his fingertips along his legs etc yet and he said that he did and so did his sister and that it gave him an instant hard on. All I could say was "isn't it awesome"? He has since moved to the South East and I really never mentioned it to him again but my sister in law has spent some time with us as my wife and I have helped her durring some difficult times she was having with her husband and she was used to seeing me dressed in a panty girdle and hose with nothing but a tee shirt . She's commented on the pretty lace at the bottom of the legs of the girdle more then once and even slapped my butt once. To this day every time we see each other and exchange huggs, she runs her hands along my hips knowing that I love how it feels then she'll give me that little wink being careful not to let her new husband see. :battingeyelashes:

[Danielle Gee]

In high school one of my buddies let it slip during a beer party that he liked to wear his sisters underclothes........He soon became my new "Best Buddy"

[carolinoakland]

First time was with a co worker. Since I went full time TS I had a co worker come out as CD. See, if you show the way.....

[JOJO44]

[QUOTE=Nadia-Maria;1927567]Anyway, several of your figures don't relate to what I got from careful cross analyses of various large scale in-depth studies, polls and various testings. And I have got convergent figures using entirely diverse and independent procedures about "regular crossdressers (RCDs)".

Of course that's entirely true that many (if not most) men crossdress (or have crossdressed) according to any very broad definition of crossdressing.

But, if you refine the definition to genuine men who crossdress :
. regularly and often ; and NOW (not only some time in the past)
. as a rule wholly dressed as a real woman
. because they like (or need) to CD and not for any other practical reason (what means : neither for money/ job / entertaining others, nor just for sex and for nothing other)
. not denying themselves as being CD/TG

=> you will find convergent figures between 1 per thousand and 1 percent.
My best estimate in our western countries is around 5 or 6 per thousand.


Many of these RCDs either go outside in the real world from time to time, and/or have at least come out to their SO if they dress only home. When going outside (at the supermarket, shopping, or just walking in a rather desert and safe area), most of them get unnoticed. Most of them will never go regularly to TG or gay clubs, nor will go out for special events. But they go outside from time to time, almost unnoticed, in the town, or even better in the country. The key factor is most go outside RARELY, nevertheless they go outside from time to time. Many are rather introverted people who prefer dressing only home. They needn't to go outside that often.
Being rarely outside, often unnoticed, almost never attending events or going in gay/CD friendly clubs, they will escape detection from most of people.
Yet they are at least one in a thousand in any open western country such as UK or France.
QUOTE]



This makes more sense to me (especially because I fit into this group).

Thanks for listing me as a RCD. I have always wondered where I fit, but I do so want to pass in public.

Love to one and all
Jo

[Christinedreamer]

While working at a company my dad had also worked for, the receptionist came dressed as a french maif for halloween. She was the only one who dressed.

Obviously I was a bit intrigued so I asked her if she wanted to have lunch. She did and we talked a lot and obviously the outfit came up as did my attraction to outfits like that. This opened the door a bit and she eventually told me she was a lipstick lesbian. I said that fair is fair and I told her about me being a CD plus the usual life history starting at age 5 etc etc.

Well we discovered another guy atr wor was also very interested in her outfit and quietly "copnfessed" top her about his "interest" (fetish). She mentioned him to me and we eneded up going to lunch the next day as a trio.

I soon idscovered that many in the company did not like him because he was gay. I counted him as a good friend and the three of us spebt a lot of time together. I was somehwat ostracized for hanging with him but I simply explained he was honest and I appreciated that in friends.

On a several occasions the 3 of us had dress up parties and watched movies over dinner at home. Let me tell you, 3 friends wearing negligees sitting close to each other having a little Tod D emboldened by some good food and beverage is a wonderful experience.

I know we had some other folks of various genderor sexual identities at the office but they never joined our club.

[crosss51]

Well the definition part is interesting and brings up another whole topic.

[crosss51]

Currently I always have on silky sexy female underclothing, but I never dress beyond that. I'm ok with it, my desires to express are met. I guess that means I don't fit the definition above.?!?!

[Cheryl T]

My friends cd'ing...wow...that's a scary thought...:brolleyes:

The only thing that would get them into something frilly or a cute dress and makeup would be if they were rewarded with a few laps in Jr's car at Daytona...:heehee:

Even then they'd want a manly helmet just so what was seen by the spectators didn't make them seem fem...

Guess I'm odd girl out ... :daydreaming:

[JiveTurkeyOnRye]

One of the first times I went onstage and admitted in my comedy act that I crossdress, a local comic told me afterwards that he also did a little bit and that he was going to talk about it onstage too since I had. But then all he did was go onstage and make a comment that he found women's underwear more comfortable, and made no actual joke about it or anything. I think he was expecting a better reaction like I'd gotten, but I'd done material on it and all he did was acknowledge it.

He only comes to shows sporadically though, and I haven't seen him at one since then.

[Jodi M]

Wow! Trica, I'm one in 250,000 you make me feel pretty elite. I think more than that must go out though. I would think with internet access every one who is a serious CD would be on this site or a similar one though so it's hard to say an exact number. Maybe it should be a US census Question. Ha! Ha!
Jodi M