ladies that date men: would you be a traditional wife?

[seanmuscle]

Let the man provide, protect and care for you. In return would you cook, clean and do his laundry? Perhaps pick out his suit and tie too... maybe even wear maids outfit!

http://carthage.cementhorizon.com/archives/housewife_happy.jpg

[Karen564]

Are you kidding me?, Of course I would, and more,,,who wouldn't..

[Kate Simmons]

Yeah right. No fun in that Hon. Gotta keep those poor guys guessing.:heehee:

[Lorileah]

Sorry no way. I believe in equality. I would do some cooking and we would share household duties maybe even dividing them along traditional gender roles, but nope, if he wants a slave and plaything there he can find another woman. If he wants someone to share his life and joy, then we can do that.

[SuzanneBender]

I don't date men because I am married, but I do handle most of the female roles around the house. I do the laundry, keep the house clean, and share the cooking duties. I tell my wife all the time that I missed my calling and should have been a housewife. To me it would be the perfect life...

[kellycan27]

Yes,yes and yes!

[MJ]

Are you kidding me?, Of course I would, and more,,,who wouldn't..

:iagree: duh

[cordgrass]

Be careful ladies :chained:

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[Vicki-Z]

Well I don't date men but saying I could start my life over with a female body to match my female mind then the answer is a definate.....YES. Just call me Mrs. Cleaver. Now where is the Beaver. lol :D


Vicki :hugs:

[LisaM]

I would be extremely happy to be a traditional wife---I can still dream, can't I?

[Dana]

I would love to be the wife or play the wife role with a GG

[Tess]

It wouldn't be that big a change. I already do 95% of the cooking and all the cleaning. Doing it in a dress would be a bonus.

[sherri52]

I'd be bored to death staying home like that.

[Rogina B]

I only want to be a trophy wife....dayspa,hair ,nails,gym,lunching,picking out new window treatments,etc. Oh,everything else,well,I do most of that now without batting an eyelash and in a skirt to boot. But,I can have a trophy wife fantasy..:D

[MarcieBflo]

Have to admit . . . I would suck @ the job . . . I leave my stuff all over the house, but would be good at cooking, Its just the cleaning up part thats the problem, lol

[Sharon]

I can tell you that I wouldn't date a traditional man, fifties era at any rate. And a traditional husband? With so many traditional negative qualities? Let me get back to you about that.

Gads, what century are we in?

[KateSpade83]

If I was born a real woman I'd do that as well as be his willing sex toy!

But I'm a guy and will never mess with men!

[Teri Jean]

The last 15 years of my marriage to my late wife I did most of the evening meals so that is not new to me. To be a kept woman would be fine as long as equality is a must. To be anything less would be a travesty to all women whether gg or tg/ts.

mho Teri

[suchacutie]

I don't think this should be a gender issue. To me marriage is an emotional and intellectual partnership. I grew up in the 50's and that "tradition" of a marriage is right out of the Neanderthal Era imho. I would only be attracted to an intelligent and intellectually stimulating spouse in an arrangement where we pull together. The house must be cleaned because of the second law of thermodynamics, but that doesn't mean either of us should spend more than the bare minimum of time doing it! The rest of the time should be spent being creative together (outside of earning a living). Those are the two words...creative...together!

If you haven't got enough intelligence to pick out your own ties, you aren't for me!

:)

tina

[Karen564]

.

Gads, what century are we in?

I wish it to be a different one, because quite honestly, this one sucks..



If you haven't got enough intelligence to pick out your own ties, you aren't for me!

My God Mother did that for her husband for over 50 years, and it wasn't because he was stupid, he held a management position with the largest pump manufacturing plants in the US....She did it so he wouldn't have to think about it and she prided herself on having him always leave the house looking handsome & well dressed...actually, she picked out his entire wardrobe and bought all his clothes for him, it was her idea anyway, and she loved every minute of it..
I would gladly do the same for my man, and I don't think it's too much of the man to ask me to want to take care of him if he's bring home the bacon, while I'm at home, I wouldn't have it any other way really..

[Nicole Erin]

If I was born a real woman I'd do that as well as be his willing sex toy!


Kate, will you be MY wife?
...

EH HEM! Yes now would I be a traditional wife...
I would not, I don't do much of anything the traditional way.

Umm Sean, if you are looking for a wife that is TG, that is understandable..
...I don't suppose that while you were at work, I would be the community DNA dumpster, would be alright?

[Miranda09]

Well, I don't date men, but if I were, would I be the traditional wife....are you kidding??? This is the 21st Century...ain't no way I'm going to sit around and clean while he goes out into the world. The 50's are long over...thankfully! No, I'd be a career woman all the way. :)

[suchacutie]

Heavens, Karen, my statement was not about your mother, it was about me. Heck, my mother puts the toothpaste on my father's toothbrush every day and they have a wonderful marriage of 60 years!

It's just not for me!

And for that matter, my marriage is not stale either. We do everything for each other. I just could not exist in that stereotype...but that's just me!

tina

[MelanieP]

Funny- as a husband, I cook dinner most of the time, do the laundry, help the kids with their baths, and clean the house. And have a full time job. I seem to be halfway there already.

Seriously though, had I been a woman and married to a man who could support us on his single income, I would gladly have accepted the role of a housewife. I enjoy being the caregiver and homemaker.

Melanie

[Karen564]

Ok Tina, no problem then, I hear what your saying...

It's certainly not for everyone...I can understand that too...

From what I have observed over a long period of time is, all that equality ever did for women in recent years, was take a mother out of the house and away from their children in order to pursue a career, in many cases it is due to financial reasons, and close the gap in the cases of heart related deaths due to more stress because of that career.

I'm all for equal RIGHTS, but I don't look at being a housewife as such a bad thing...It's just that I would love to be a trophy wife for the right guy..and I know he would love what I could do for him too, I want him to feel happy & content on fulfilling his manly duties...:heehee:

:hugs:

[chrissy hamilton]

That is my dream, yes!

Chrissy

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[ReineD]

Let the man provide, protect and care for you. In return would you cook, clean and do his laundry?


Are you kidding me?, Of course I would, and more,,,who wouldn't..

Things have changed. Men don't want the 50's wife anymore. Families need 2 paychecks to survive.

[Karen564]

Things have changed. Men don't want the 50's wife anymore. Families need 2 paychecks to survive.

Come on Reine, don't kill the dream job for me, a girl can dream if she wants too....:battingeyelashes:

Actually, I do know a few lucky women that really do have a husband that are excellent providers that don't need that extra income, and live very well...

But that's more of the exception than the rule these days...

But I would Love to be the exception too..

:hugs:

[ReineD]

Come on Reine, don't kill the dream job for me, a girl can dream if she wants too....:battingeyelashes:

Sorry ... :o yes, a girl can dream if she wants to. :daydreaming:

Personal story in a nutshell: I was once married to such a man and I lost my identity in the process. Maybe a stronger woman than me wouldn't have lost herself.

[GypsyKaren]

Good luck finding a man who can provide, protect, and care for himself, let alone someone else...get real.

Karen :g1:

[kellycan27]

Things have changed. Men don't want the 50's wife anymore. Families need 2 paychecks to survive.


Yeah Karen get a job! :heehee:

[Misty is Kindafem]

I'm with Karen and Kelly on this one.

It's a little embarrassing to admit but that fantasy actually kinda turns me on.

What a wonderful daydream.

-Misty

[Karen564]

Sorry ... :o yes, a girl can dream if she wants to. :daydreaming:

Personal story in a nutshell: I was once married to such a man and I lost my identity in the process. Maybe a stronger woman than me wouldn't have lost herself.

Awwwwww, I'm sorry, and I know that has happened to many other women too, including my own sister after she found out he was cheating on her with their babysitter which was also a student in his HS class...they divorced and had to provide for herself because the child support wasn't enough...

I guess that proves that we should always be prepared & ready to have the means to provide for ourselves just in case anything goes wrong at a moments notice..

So thanks Reine, your advise is well understood & I thank you so much for reminding me of that...

:hugs:

[ReineD]

Karen, it's OK. :hugs: I still like to believe in Cinderella too. :)

[kellycan27]

I'd like to keep my job, but I could do it from home for the most part. As of now I work from home at least 2 or 3 days a week. That would make it ideal if we had kids.

[Karen564]

Karen, it's OK. :hugs: I still like to believe in Cinderella too. :)

Great then, Don't stop believing, because that very same sister meet such a great guy later on, he was a single dad of my nieces best friend down the street from them, I used to see him at all the B-day parties we had for the kids, and he had just went though a terrible divorce recently too, and he just so happened to have a great job, a CFO in S&W, then onto a big promotion to Murray as the CFO which is HUGE, and then onto another company... After 20 years of marriage now, he's still one of the nicest guy's I ever known, besides my dad of course....and she been able to live in her fairy tail dream house and lives the good life and very happy now thanks to him..
I'm always telling her shes So lucky to have him......lol
So dreams can come true...
:hugs:

[Stitch]

I'd go nuts in that kind of arrangement. The whole concept would make me feel trapped. "What I have to stay at home and sort the house while you go out and live?"
There seems to be so much finality to it all. Get married, have kids, become a house wife.. It would feel like being in a cage for me. Knowing what I'd have to do day in day out for the rest of my life would crush my spirit.
I've already been housebound through sickness, no way would I do it again willingly for another.

I wouldn't be interested in a man who felt that he had to look after me in that way. I want an equal partner, someone who doesn't expect me to act a certain way because of my gender.

[Shikyo]

I'd love to, but I know it ain't going to happen. Not necessary with a man, though. *giggles*

As for reality I think it would be wiser to divide the household jobs between the two and have both work.

[noeleena]

Hi...
This would be very hard for me to accept a man . so i would say no .
I know this sounds like a male hater . & in many ways it is . i prefer being around women .
I know we Jos & i have been married for 35 years & to gether for 37 . so doing things ..like around the home done that for years . & still do . not as a male or a woman . just me as who i am.
Having kids yes . looking after them & loving them yes . & being with them . yes .

Having a man around . the mere fact of. makes me crawl all over . while reading these posts . just hammered me . sorry guys . it just the way i m wired . i cant explain it .
To have a relationship with a man ...oh dear ...no...& any way at 62 . i dont think so .

...noeleena...

[Jane G]

In my dreams. I'm a prety traditional spouse as it happens.

[ReineD]

and she been able to live in her fairy tail dream house and lives the good life and very happy now thanks to him..

Lol. I'm very happy for her! But my inner-Cinderella wants to provide for herself in a meaningful and creative way, AND have a partner who believes in her dreams too.

[Lilly 40C]

Absolutely YES! I'd love to act as someone's wife!:daydreaming:

[prene]

I agree with rogina garter "Trophy Wife"

I would keep myself in shape.
Wear sexy clothes.
Work for non-profits, go out a lot.
and of course keep both of us satisfied ( plus some ).



I only want to be a trophy wife....dayspa,hair ,nails,gym,lunching,picking out new window treatments,etc. Oh,everything else,well,I do most of that now without batting an eyelash and in a skirt to boot. But,I can have a trophy wife fantasy..:D

[Claire Cook]

I don't date men because I am married, but I do handle most of the female roles around the house. I do the laundry, keep the house clean, and share the cooking duties. I tell my wife all the time that I missed my calling and should have been a housewife. To me it would be the perfect life...

Me too....

[Jenniferpl]

Three years ago I took a year off and stayed home with the kids. It was a blast as long as the kids were around. Summer was the best. Went to the beach a lot and went camping. However, when they went back to school in the fall, I soon found it very lonely and boring. By the spring I was ready to go back to work. My wife also told me I should either go back to school or get a job, because staying at home was doing me no good. At about the same time I won the lottery of life. I was involved in a car accident that could have killed me. Seond faster and a near miss. A second later and possible death. Made me want to refocus my life and I have yet to look back.

I used to believe that if I came into enough that I no longer needed to work, I would just hang out. After being able to take a year off, I have totaly rethought that. I know there a lot of people that are or would make great stay at home parents but I found that was not me.

Ladies be carefull what you wish for.

[Desiree2bababe]

As long as he shares the bacon, I'd be the perfect wife!

[Kari Lynn Franks]

well i'm uniployed at the moment. ive been doing all the cooking for the past 20 yrs and now i do all the laundry the wife likes it because #1 she hates doing it #2 she likes it because i get out the stains she gets on her blouses she calls me darby and when im running behind on keeping the house she threatens to take away my sock and house frock that I like to clean in I love this role

[KarenHiller]

I'd love to with the right man, but I have to look like that woman in that pic, and I definitely want that dress too, maybe in pink tho. :D

Karen

[cordgrass]

Sorry ... :o yes, a girl can dream if she wants to. :daydreaming:

Personal story in a nutshell: I was once married to such a man and I lost my identity in the process. Maybe a stronger woman than me wouldn't have lost herself.

Me too. The first thing he did was tell me what I could or couldn't wear when going out of the house. He wanted me in loose baggy frumpy clothes, no makeup, and he wanted to know where I was going and who I'd be seeing.

[ruthie801]

Well my wife says it all the time that I am a good housewife. I do all the cooking, laundry and most of the cleaning. One day as I was preparing dinner my wife was watching sipping her wine, she commented; "that I flitted around the kitchen like I was June Cleaver all I was missing was the dress and pearl neckless" As far as a man, well I do have strong desires there as well and it would be a dream come true to be a man's wife.

[Sandra]

I would go :silly: in that sort of situation, the stay at home housewife is not for me.

I'm happy with the way things are with us, an equal partnership and it works well.

[suchacutie]

I"m away from this thread for 12 hours and there are pages of entries...maybe that thread suggesting we are addicted is more correct that I was willing to acknowledge!

ROFL!!!

tina

[lissetta]

Yah Ill cook clean etc... all i ask for is that little silver card...

[Shelly Preston]

I don't think anyone wants to be a "Stepford Wife" anymore :brolleyes:

[aggi123]

I might cook, but that's about it. I'd be wayyyyy too bored not to be working

[docrobbysherry]

I keep falling off my chair laffing! :heehee: And now I'm bleeding! From biting my tongue so hard!:brolleyes:

MORE, please!? This is too GOOD!:D

[Lorileah]

why is it I expect two people in ice cream tuxs to come out yelling "Smiles everyone...smiles"?

Staying at home. Sounds like 'fun'? Your traditional hubby comes home from a long day at work (it is hard making millions everyday...what with the lunches and martinis and the extra apartment for his secretary...sorry I digress). He loosens his tie and removes his jacket to put on a cardigan sweater and you run to him with his pipe and slippers wearing that pretty gown you bought just today with pearls and heels. You are ready to go out for a nice meal and maybe some dancing. He wants to stay home, where you have been, and watch some TV,which you have become bored of. So, there you are after spending the whole day in that same house now staying in that same house. What do you talk about? He won't hear about how you cooked, cleaned, mended his socks and otherwise kept busy today. You try and look interested in his day, but soon you think you could be doing something else like...slamming your hand in the door. Fantasies are wonderful aren't they? Has anyone ever wondered why those TV shows only lasted a few years? The wife got fed up with the staying home and ran off with the milk man.

[sherri]

Let the man provide, protect and care for you. In return would you cook, clean and do his laundry? Perhaps pick out his suit and tie too... maybe even wear maids outfit!

http://carthage.cementhorizon.com/archives/housewife_happy.jpgSo, Sean, I have to ask -- is your question purely academic, or are you actually in the market for such a relationship? What I mean is, are you up to such a challenge in our society? Would you be comfortable being open with the world about your relationship with a crossdresser?

As for your question, I would adore being a wife, traditional or contemporary. And if you like for your honey to slip on a maid's outfit occasionally, well, there's nothing wrong with spicing up the love life, right? :heehee:

[kellycan27]

Some people just seem to see the worst in everything. I don't get it. I don't look at the world through rose colored glasse, but I don't see doom and gloom around every corner either. "If I can't have it..it's no damn good!"

[sempervirens]

If it worked in our situation, I'd stay home and be a house-wife. I couldn't just do that, though, or I'd go crazy. Working part-time, having outside activities, and so on is important.

Considering my education and career path I'll probably make much more than my fiancee, so it'd be silly (financially at least) for me to stay home and send her to work :p. If my fiancee ever wanted to work part-time and take care of the house, that'd be fine with me, just so long as she had other things going on in her life for enrichment. We can't be isolated, it's just not healthy.

I'm not one for the trophy wife thing. I want to be beautiful and desirable, but I'd rather be valued for what I can do, and who I am. So, in short, my answers are boring...

[Miranda09]

This HAS turned into quite an interesting discussion surrounding the "traditional" role of the housewife vs a more contempory version. I guess whatever fantasy, dream, or whatever makes you happy, then go with it. As I said earlier, I think I would wind up like a caged animal if all I did was cater to a spouse. Yes there are nice aspects of this type of role, but how many of you are thinking along those lines after having spent many years in a hectic job 40+ hours per week, and would really LOVE to drop it all for a simpler role in life?

[cordgrass]

Some people just seem to see the worst in everything. I don't get it. I don't look at the world through rose colored glasse, but I don't see doom and gloom around every corner either. "If I can't have it..it's no damn good!"

Honey, I did have it. Just be careful about the man who asks for such a thing, and understand what he's really asking to have.

[Tamara Croft]

Do men really believe that a womans role is in the kitchen, cleaning and looking after kids? I thought this was 2009.. not 1950 :brolleyes:

And to those that would 'love' to be like this, I'm pretty sure the novelty would wear off pretty damn quick...

[Fab Karen]

If a guy can afford to take care of me, he can afford a maid- he wouldn't expect me to clean the whole mansion by myself.:)

[Karen564]

Yes there are nice aspects of this type of role, but how many of you are thinking along those lines after having spent many years in a hectic job 40+ hours per week, and would really LOVE to drop it all for a simpler role in life?

ME!!!!!

It's all the same, everything gets monotonous after a while, I don't care what you do for work, unless you fly the space shuttle or something exciting, but even then, that's bound to get boring after a while too..

I did my time & then some for over 30 years in very hectic fast paced jobs, I think that my overtime may matches my reg. time, yeah, that's right, I did double shifts & weekends for more years than I care to remember...

I do love staying at home now, it's a nice change of pace, and it doesn't mean a mandatory prison sentence, I had that when I had a job, that was my prison..

Besides, even stay at home housewives don't really stay home all day...They go shopping!!!, chat with friends over coffee, etc then when home, do what needs to get done, speaking of which, I need to hurry up & finish up my cleaning and get some groceries.....I have to cook dinner soon..:)

[tricia_uktv]

No, not at all. Its about him and me being happy. Though I'd expect to take on most of the housework. But it depends on whether he has a job and a number of other things. I'm not sure life is black and white.

[Tess]

Very interesting thread. I, like a few others here, have seen the stay at home mom from the point of view of a kid and also as the working husband. I grew up in the 50's when just about every kid I knew had a stay at home mom. In some ways it was even more confining than you might imagine. Most families only had 1 car so when dad was at work you walked or took the bus. We only had one telephone so no cell phone or Internet for that matter and only three channels on TV. With all that as a headwind my mother still had a pretty good life. Aside from the cooking, cleaning, laundry (no dryer), and childcare, she belonged to a couple of social clubs, had church functions, would occasionally go to a movie matinee, or a bus trip to see a Broadway show. She talked to her girlfriends face to face who were also stay at home mom's. And there was plenty of family around since we weren't such a mobile society back then.

When I was the bread winner and my wife gladly gave up her job and was the stay at home mom things had improved. She had her own car, more channels on TV, volunteer work at church and a local hospital, and a husband who got much more time off than my mother ever enjoyed from my father. Now that I'm retired and get to spend as much time at home as I like, I cook and clean, do volunteer work, lots of hobbies...it's a good life. In a dress, even better.

[Blaire]

This HAS turned into quite an interesting discussion surrounding the "traditional" role of the housewife vs a more contempory version. I guess whatever fantasy, dream, or whatever makes you happy, then go with it. As I said earlier, I think I would wind up like a caged animal if all I did was cater to a spouse. Yes there are nice aspects of this type of role, but how many of you are thinking along those lines after having spent many years in a hectic job 40+ hours per week, and would really LOVE to drop it all for a simpler role in life?

You need to throw a 2 year old into the mix. That'll liven things up.

I really can't believe the number of posts on this thread that seem to trivialise the housewife's role and how much simpler it must be. Must be all soaps and bon-bons.

[Sara Jessica]

Staying at home. Sounds like 'fun'? Your traditional hubby comes home from a long day at work (it is hard making millions everyday...what with the lunches and martinis and the extra apartment for his secretary...sorry I digress). He loosens his tie and removes his jacket to put on a cardigan sweater and you run to him with his pipe and slippers wearing that pretty gown you bought just today with pearls and heels. You are ready to go out for a nice meal and maybe some dancing. He wants to stay home, where you have been, and watch some TV,which you have become bored of. So, there you are after spending the whole day in that same house now staying in that same house. What do you talk about? He won't hear about how you cooked, cleaned, mended his socks and otherwise kept busy today. You try and look interested in his day, but soon you think you could be doing something else like...slamming your hand in the door. Fantasies are wonderful aren't they? Has anyone ever wondered why those TV shows only lasted a few years? The wife got fed up with the staying home and ran off with the milk man.

Right on...


Do men really believe that a womans role is in the kitchen, cleaning and looking after kids? I thought this was 2009.. not 1950 :brolleyes:

And to those that would 'love' to be like this, I'm pretty sure the novelty would wear off pretty damn quick...

...and right on again!!!

Sure, the whole concept sounds like an overblown fantasy, something that would get old after a week/month, year tops. Remember, those women who are lucky enough to not have to work are doing so much more than catering to their guy. They have kids to care for, they volunteer in schools, you name it...all while maintaining a household. It's a 24/7 job, not fantasyland.

Those who may not have kids who might better fit the stereotypical fantasy likely have a half-dozen like-situated friends who are there for social interaction outside of the home. D'ya think the average transgended woman who is plugged into such a fantastical situation will have the same support network? I'm thinking not.

But as far as a dream goes, knock yourselves out. There's nothing wrong with having a little fun thinking of the "what-if's" in our lives.

[Mona]

I would be the one out making money as a rock star and HE would be my toy!

[ReineD]

Besides, even stay at home housewives don't really stay home all day...They go shopping!!!, chat with friends over coffee, etc then when home, do what needs to get done

HAH! You are looking to get a rise out of GGs with that comment? :)

No, we raise our children, keep them on task with their homework and other obligations, run them around to all their activities and sports, do fundraising for all the activities and sports, become home-room moms and organize school parties, trips, birthday parties, etc, take care of household chores and cooking, run around doing errands for the rest of the family and mind all their appointments, help our friends mind their kids so they can return same when we have emergencies.

I had no time or energy to put on makeup regularly and do things like take care of my nails. When I got together with friends, it was with kids so they could play and we never got to finish a conversation. I enjoyed every minute of it, but it was not the idealized experience many TGs seem to believe it is.

I can't imagine having done all of that in the 50's when home appliances were rudimentary at best. The women in the fashion mags of the era must have looked that fabulous just once per week when they went to Church. Or they didn't have kids. :)

[Miranda09]

I agree Reine..most likely they didn't have kids! Let's leave the 50's in the past. :)

[bridget jones]

I have never dated guys but I grew up observing this type of relationship. I believe I could fall into the same if the right man came along. Only time will tell if that'll ever happen,huh? I would like to be more of the Peg Bundy type,with the sex thing more available though....hahaha!

[Kasey66]

i don't date guys, but i think i would like it.:battingeyelashes:

[seanmuscle]

You ladies getting into cat fights LOL.

First I dont mind if the woman has a part time job. I was mainly referring to the man working the longer hours and having a higher salary than her. My wife will always have everything she needs. And I would never ignore my wife when I come home. I would bring her flowers, kiss her, bring her to dinner and dancing. Chat like there is no tomorrow. Maybe give her a sensual massage with my strong masculine hands and make her feel like a woman in the bedroom.

I hate how some here assume we dont care about the relationship and that we want a slave. Some here point out the most extreme situations of a bad husband. I am a masculine man. I want a feminine wife that I love, honor and respect. I love the roles that come with that but I will ALWAYS treat her as my beautiful lady and spoil her.

I will hold her in my muscular arms and always protect her. Leave her love letters. Buy her lingerie. Let her have the week to herself at the spa. Cook dinner for her once in a while.

Stop stereotyping traditional men as bad.

[Miranda09]

OK, for me, I'm not stereotyping traditional males as bad any more than I'm stereotyping traditional women as outdated. Let's face it, by the 60's the stereotypical role of the "housewife" was beginning to fade and today is no longer the norm. What I'm saying is that while there are many who would still enjoy this role, most will not. Now I can appreciate what you're saying, but you mentioned that you wouldn't mind the wife having a part-time job while the man works longer hours and makes a higher salary. What if the wife wanted to work full-time and made a higher salary than the man (not a typical scenario, but not out of the question)? The romantic aspect is wonderful, but don't limit her horizons.

[seanmuscle]

OK, for me, I'm not stereotyping traditional males as bad any more than I'm stereotyping traditional women as outdated. Let's face it, by the 60's the stereotypical role of the "housewife" was beginning to fade and today is no longer the norm. What I'm saying is that while there are many who would still enjoy this role, most will not. Now I can appreciate what you're saying, but you mentioned that you wouldn't mind the wife having a part-time job while the man works longer hours and makes a higher salary. What if the wife wanted to work full-time and made a higher salary than the man (not a typical scenario, but not out of the question)? The romantic aspect is wonderful, but don't limit her horizons.

No women that I have ever met wants to make more money or work longer than the husband. And no I would not want a woman like that. I like the traditional, feminine wife that I spoil and romance. I would not mind if she works part time like I said though. I like a soft, caring and maternal wife.

[christinek]

I too am Hedro

But I am an housewife now!

I Cook,Clean & Do Windows.

I am not into sports one bit, I hate sports, I love to shop, I love anything gilry and love my wife.

[Angel.Marie76]

I'd have to day this thread as piqued my curiosity. After reading everything in here, I guess I have a few things to say, and a question or two to ask.

I have been 'hetero' essentially for as long as I can remember, when defining such as an externally male presence dating females. That having been said, I've been 'bi-curious' for quite a long time as well. The more that I work through my transition, the more I become outwardly attracted to men, having myself in the feminine role. I am in a monogamous relation, though my SO and I have a reoccurring conversation about my wavering sexual preference quite often. She and I realize I'm changing, but we just don't know how much.

Have I thought about dating men publicly regardless? I would be lying if I said no. My SO knows it too, and yes, it makes her sad when we talk about it, even I think it's unfair to bring it up. She is my confidant though, so trials and tribulations of my transition are brought to the table for both of us to hear, regardless of how difficult sometimes.

The question of: Would I be 'a traditional wife'? Is much harder to answer I think. I don't want to fantasize too much about unrealistic endeavors, I need to keep myself grounded AND be able to care for my 'tween child. I have been an 'only parent' for, basically, my child's entire life, though I've has assistance from SO's over the years. Having seen enough households loosely based on the 'stay at home mom' life, then the 'part-time mom', the 'Working full-time 9-5 mom & dad' (the child is either in daycare or with sitters much), and then working towards the reversal, the 'part time dad', and then the 'stay at home dad'... well, everyone has their niche that they feel most comfortable with. The term 'traditional' does have the 50's connotation to it, but to many people today, tradition is whatever is socially acceptable.

It is a fantastic thing these days (and hopefully eons into the future) that women can work more and more to stand beside men, rather than in front of or behind them. My mother was the type to /try/ and be the stay at home type for my earlier years, but then worked towards getting 'her life back' and getting a part, and then full time job, and her husband never seemed taken aback by this. She was still a wonderful person, and cooked meals and cared for the kids and the house, etc. etal, but didn't exactly wait on my father hand-and-foot. It is very hard to imagine many women these days being able to live 'the housewive's life' within the patriarchal examples of the past without significant interjection from the modernized world. Again, this is all cultural more than anything else. If you want a culture that has women being the demure obedient housewives, move to China (by my understanding).

I don't believe I would be afraid / taken aback by a woman having a higher income than I. Women deserve the right to make an income commensurate with their experience, just like any person, regardless of upbringing or culture. {I deleted at least a paragraph of thought to avoid being ranty..}

*looks back more at the thread*

Would I be comfortable being stuck home all day, taking care of my child when school ends, being the 'soccer mom', etc? I don't know. I know that, as mentioned before, I've seen the different avenues available. 'Desperate Housewives' while being satirical, has realistic perspectives.. Many people get tired of the same-old stuff, and need to have some spice and variety in their life.

To the questioner I ask: If your chosen significant other started off as a 'stay-at-home' wife, but wanted to evolve to be a member of the working force again, would you try and prevent her from doing so? You said no, however it doesn't seem completely clear. Traditionalism aside, do you feel you have a right to attempt to control your mate's future? To what end and with resources? Would you just divorce them and kick them to the curb if they wouldn't submit? What if they worked towards an evolving career? A part time job is usually only a money making endeavor, it is not a career path. What about higher education? College? What if your stay-at-home wife wanted to go back to school to become a polished professional? If you were in a dedicated relationship or marriage, I would assume you would be supportive of her goals, for example.

Someone else brought up a very valid question, specifically related to our unique situations:

Also asked of the original questioner: Would you be comfortable acknowledging your SO as a crossdresser or Transgender/Transsexual and still want to treat them the same ways that you're referring to? Would you expect to be dating a closeted/ deep stealth girl, or would you not have a problem with the reality of dating in today's society, regardless of our presentation, sexuality, or family?

I guess I'll cork it for now. :)

[Dorisnycd]

traditional trophy wife...alwasy sexy alwasy hot!

[seanmuscle]

I'd have to day this thread as piqued my curiosity. After reading everything in here, I guess I have a few things to say, and a question or two to ask.

I have been 'hetero' essentially for as long as I can remember, when defining such as an externally male presence dating females. That having been said, I've been 'bi-curious' for quite a long time as well. The more that I work through my transition, the more I become outwardly attracted to men, having myself in the feminine role. I am in a monogamous relation, though my SO and I have a reoccurring conversation about my wavering sexual preference quite often. She and I realize I'm changing, but we just don't know how much.

Have I thought about dating men publicly regardless? I would be lying if I said no. My SO knows it too, and yes, it makes her sad when we talk about it, even I think it's unfair to bring it up. She is my confidant though, so trials and tribulations of my transition are brought to the table for both of us to hear, regardless of how difficult sometimes.

The question of: Would I be 'a traditional wife'? Is much harder to answer I think. I don't want to fantasize too much about unrealistic endeavors, I need to keep myself grounded AND be able to care for my 'tween child. I have been an 'only parent' for, basically, my child's entire life, though I've has assistance from SO's over the years. Having seen enough households loosely based on the 'stay at home mom' life, then the 'part-time mom', the 'Working full-time 9-5 mom & dad' (the child is either in daycare or with sitters much), and then working towards the reversal, the 'part time dad', and then the 'stay at home dad'... well, everyone has their niche that they feel most comfortable with. The term 'traditional' does have the 50's connotation to it, but to many people today, tradition is whatever is socially acceptable.

It is a fantastic thing these days (and hopefully eons into the future) that women can work more and more to stand beside men, rather than in front of or behind them. My mother was the type to /try/ and be the stay at home type for my earlier years, but then worked towards getting 'her life back' and getting a part, and then full time job, and her husband never seemed taken aback by this. She was still a wonderful person, and cooked meals and cared for the kids and the house, etc. etal, but didn't exactly wait on my father hand-and-foot. It is very hard to imagine many women these days being able to live 'the housewive's life' within the patriarchal examples of the past without significant interjection from the modernized world. Again, this is all cultural more than anything else. If you want a culture that has women being the demure obedient housewives, move to China (by my understanding).

I don't believe I would be afraid / taken aback by a woman having a higher income than I. Women deserve the right to make an income commensurate with their experience, just like any person, regardless of upbringing or culture. {I deleted at least a paragraph of thought to avoid being ranty..}

*looks back more at the thread*

Would I be comfortable being stuck home all day, taking care of my child when school ends, being the 'soccer mom', etc? I don't know. I know that, as mentioned before, I've seen the different avenues available. 'Desperate Housewives' while being satirical, has realistic perspectives.. Many people get tired of the same-old stuff, and need to have some spice and variety in their life.

To the questioner I ask: If your chosen significant other started off as a 'stay-at-home' wife, but wanted to evolve to be a member of the working force again, would you try and prevent her from doing so? You said no, however it doesn't seem completely clear. Traditionalism aside, do you feel you have a right to attempt to control your mate's future? To what end and with resources? Would you just divorce them and kick them to the curb if they wouldn't submit? What if they worked towards an evolving career? A part time job is usually only a money making endeavor, it is not a career path. What about higher education? College? What if your stay-at-home wife wanted to go back to school to become a polished professional? If you were in a dedicated relationship or marriage, I would assume you would be supportive of her goals, for example.

Someone else brought up a very valid question, specifically related to our unique situations:

Also asked of the original questioner: Would you be comfortable acknowledging your SO as a crossdresser or Transgender/Transsexual and still want to treat them the same ways that you're referring to? Would you expect to be dating a closeted/ deep stealth girl, or would you not have a problem with the reality of dating in today's society, regardless of our presentation, sexuality, or family?

I guess I'll cork it for now. :)

Hey if she can handle a professional career and do the things that I mentioned then that would be fine. And her making more money is moot point because women always marry a man of higher social standing and higher income. They love strong, dominant husbands who are great leaders and protect them. She can have full time job but still has to be traditional. I like feminine women. I do not want to date a man.There are other men who may like other kinds of wives but not me.


If the crossdresser passes well as female then I will date her. I am not concerned with genitalia. I am just a traditional, masculine guy who loves feminine women. Feminine shape, feminine clothes and feminine behavior. Crossdressers tend to emulate the classic feminimity which I love

[Karen564]

HAH! You are looking to get a rise out of GGs with that comment? :)

No, we raise our children, keep them on task with their homework and other obligations, run them around to all their activities and sports, do fundraising for all the activities and sports, become home-room moms and organize school parties, trips, birthday parties, etc, take care of household chores and cooking, run around doing errands for the rest of the family and mind all their appointments, help our friends mind their kids so they can return same when we have emergencies.

I had no time or energy to put on makeup regularly and do things like take care of my nails. When I got together with friends, it was with kids so they could play and we never got to finish a conversation. I enjoyed every minute of it, but it was not the idealized experience many TGs seem to believe it is.

I can't imagine having done all of that in the 50's when home appliances were rudimentary at best. The women in the fashion mags of the era must have looked that fabulous just once per week when they went to Church. Or they didn't have kids. :)

Was I trying to get a rise out of the GG's???, The answer is No, I wasn't trying to do that at all, I was more thinking about what this situation was calling for, since he didn't mention kids in the picture..:o

I am fully aware what a house-Mom does, because I was put into that very situation with my own two little girls at the time when my wife & I separated, she left the home, I stayed & had the girls to take care of...It was me that woke them up in the morning, make them breakfast and got their clothes ready to wear for school (they dressed themselves), as I was getting their school bags(backpacks) in order. then I worked on their long hair, like braiding for ponytails, pig tails, or just brushed straight, out however they wanted to have that day..Then we waited for the bus together to pick them up....It was always so rush rush, it was great to be able to catch my breath after they left for school...

Then I would finish my now cold coffee...lol, then start picking up the morning mess, clean the bowls & dishes & table & floor, then onto the bathroom & clean up the wall mirror we had that always got splashed from them brushing their teeth and me wet combing their hair to get the knots out... (I was a clean freak then, everything had to be spotless & in it's place...lol)..Then I got ready do go to work, I am self employed and was doing construction, home improvements....
Their mother would pick them up after school while I was working & bring them to my house and be with them until I got back home which was usually by 6pm.

She tried to get them to do their homework, but it rarely got done with her their, it was good old dad that helped them with that, but that was after I cooked & feed them dinner & cleaned up the kitchen 1st, a never ending chore it seemed... so after we worked on their homework and then if we had time, we would play a game or just watch a show on TV...then I had them get ready for bed & tucked them in...after that, grab some dirty clothes & throw them in the wash...then I would pour a drink after and relax so I could go to bed and start it all over again the next morning...

I did this for almost 4 years until their mother found a sutable place to stay in town after our divorce was finalized, but because of that, I had to sell my house because I was put into financial ruin by then, due to the economy, the divorce, no financial help from her, and one customer that failed to pay at a very bad time... since then, I moved to where I am now, and the girls are staying with their mother..today my girls are 14 & 16..and I'm very proud of them..:)

So, if you made this far into my condensed version story, the question of weather or not I could be a house-mom is yes, because I did it as a single parent, and did it while running my business full time too....not a very task by any means...and would of been a lot easier to just do one or the other, not both....The single moms that do have to work a full time job in order to support themselves & children without any child support or financial aid while taking care of their children have my utmost respect for them...not because I can imagine what it's like, but because I've been there..
So single moms, my hat is off to you..:hugs:

But as to what Mr Muscle was asking here was a very simple question, would you be a traditional wife....and it's a simple yes or no answer really, and we all know what my answer was to that....
But I find hard to believe anyone would think I would go into this without knowing I was compatible with my mate 1st. He has to fit into my criteria too, but if he did, he would very lucky man to have me..for I believe in loyalty to my spouse, and as long as he was loyal to me, I'd make sure he would always leave the house with a a very big smile on his face..:heehee:

But to find two people that are truly compatible seems so hard to find, even more so when your a transsexual..even when not being too picky, I'm old enough to know what I want and don't like in a person after being around the block a few times..and I'm so easy to get along with, but that doesn't mean I'm an easy score either...:battingeyelashes:
And I'm not pursuing any relationship until I have my SRS....I don't need any complications in my life now, I already have enough of those already...

[kellycan27]

Let the man provide, protect and care for you. In return would you cook, clean and do his laundry? Perhaps pick out his suit and tie too... maybe even wear maids outfit!

http://carthage.cementhorizon.com/archives/housewife_happy.jpg

OOPS! I missed the part about wearing the maids outfit....NO. In fact, just that one sentence makes the whole scenario actually seem kind of creepy. I guess my initial thoughts of "tradtional" were more along the lines a regular type family, mom,dad,kids with the wife doing the cooking, cleaning and caring for the children, but only on an equal and loving basis. As I mentioned in another thread, I wouldn't have a problem with him being in charge until.... it's time to not let him be in charge. About the first time he came home and demanded his dinner,or tried and tell me that I can't do this or I can't do that..... he'd see June Cleaver morph into the incredible Hulk so fast that it would make his head spin. I can be quite feminine and even submissive, just don't piss me off.......You wouldn't like me when I am pissed off!:heehee:

[joannemarie barker]

OOPS! I missed the part about wearing the maids outfit....NO. In fact, just that one sentence makes the whole scenario actually seem kind of creepy. I guess my initial thoughts of "tradtional" were more along the lines a regular type family, mom,dad,kids with the wife doing the cooking, cleaning and caring for the children, but only on an equal and loving basis. As I mentioned in another thread, I wouldn't have a problem with him being in charge until.... it's time to not let him be in charge. About the first time he came home and demanded his dinner,or tried and tell me that I can't do this or I can't do that..... he'd see June Cleaver morph into the incredible Hulk so fast that it would make his head spin. I can be quite feminine and even submissive, just don't piss me off.......You wouldn't like me when I am pissed off!:heehee:


hehe well said kelly :)

[Karen564]

OOPS! I missed the part about wearing the maids outfit....NO. In fact, just that one sentence makes the whole scenario actually seem kind of creepy. I guess my initial thoughts of "tradtional" were more along the lines a regular type family, mom,dad,kids with the wife doing the cooking, cleaning and caring for the children, but only on an equal and loving basis. As I mentioned in another thread, I wouldn't have a problem with him being in charge until.... it's time to not let him be in charge. About the first time he came home and demanded his dinner,or tried and tell me that I can't do this or I can't do that..... he'd see June Cleaver morph into the incredible Hulk so fast that it would make his head spin. I can be quite feminine and even submissive, just don't piss me off.......You wouldn't like me when I am pissed off!:heehee:

:iagree:

I missed that part about the maid getup too ......no fantasy maid costumes for this girl either..sorry sean

[Mona]

I'm with Kelly one this. Too many people (mostly men) see traits of kindness, nuturing and feminine as weakness and something to be controlled or taken advantage of. Someone who truely can see you as an equal will understand and have room for your expressions of the moment whatever they may be.

[Carol123]

traditional wife in a heart beat..YES

[Tamara Croft]

You know, I find some of the :BS: in this thread offensive, to think that some of you believe women belong in the kitchen at the kitchen sink, looking after children, cooking, cleaning etc... do you actually know we're not in the 1950's anymore? This is pure fantasy, no woman in the right mind cooks in heels, it's dangerous... seriously, those that would say they'd love to do it, then do it for a month, put your heels on, and your pinny and get on with it.. and if you love it, there's something wrong with you... no woman I know loves cleaning :Angry3: Jeez... get a clue already!!!

[Lorileah]

Gee the maid's outfit was the part that I liked the best. :heehee: Of course doing the maid's work doesn't sound like fun.

(Still trying to get the image of Kelly being all green out of my mind)

[Angel.Marie76]

OOPS! I missed the part about wearing the maids outfit....NO. In fact, just that one sentence makes the whole scenario actually seem kind of creepy. I guess my initial thoughts of "tradtional" were more along the lines a regular type family, mom,dad,kids with the wife doing the cooking, cleaning and caring for the children, but only on an equal and loving basis. As I mentioned in another thread, I wouldn't have a problem with him being in charge until.... it's time to not let him be in charge. About the first time he came home and demanded his dinner,or tried and tell me that I can't do this or I can't do that..... he'd see June Cleaver morph into the incredible Hulk so fast that it would make his head spin. I can be quite feminine and even submissive, just don't piss me off.......You wouldn't like me when I am pissed off!:heehee:

That's kinda the point I was getting at in my long winded babble.. There's lots to be said for a caring, loving relationship, regardless of gender or gender expression. Then, I might say, you have levels of kink associated with a relationship or partnership.. then you start talking about BDSM and roleplaying, for example. Treating a person as a whole person in a 'vanilla' relationship doesn't generally involve dominating them into being a particular way. You live, you love, you balance your life and you are happy together.

If you want to be able to have a certain expectation of control in a relationship, then you need to be very, very clear from the start that there are some /very specific rules/ about the way you want a relation to occur, and deviance from those aforementioned rules is punishable by [x]. Regardless of exactly how you want to word it, or level it all out, it could easily be analyzed as a more dominative and submissive relationship - which is FINE, of course - I've actually many, many friends involved in the BDSM community. However, they live by those rules very explicitly - and both the top and the bottom agree to those rules in advance. If what Seanmuscle is specifically asking for in a relation is more of a controlling perspective, then he needs to clarify that up-front.



Hey if she can handle a professional career and do the things that I mentioned then that would be fine. And her making more money is moot point because women always marry a man of higher social standing and higher income. They love strong, dominant husbands who are great leaders and protect them. She can have full time job but still has to be traditional. I like feminine women. I do not want to date a man.There are other men who may like other kinds of wives but not me.

Seeing this response from you, I just feel like my above comment to Kelly is appropriate here. Based on many of the statements you've made in this thread, it seems like you not only want to date a CD/TG/TS, but want to have some level of ultimate control over the situation. Certainly, there is nothing wrong with that - the saying is 'your kink is not my kink' might apply here. Just be clear to whomever you'd like to date that your requirements are what they are, to be fair to both of you.



If the crossdresser passes well as female then I will date her. I am not concerned with genitalia. I am just a traditional, masculine guy who loves feminine women. Feminine shape, feminine clothes and feminine behavior. Crossdressers tend to emulate the classic feminimity which I love

I just want to clarify when you say 'Crossdresser', again, do you mean someone who is 'out', publicly, as a crossdresser or trans? If you're dating someone within the confines of their closet (not being rude of course, but I hope you all understand) then while looks are what they are at home, going out may be an entirely different kettle of fish, if there is even a wantingness to 'go out'. I think clarity is key here.

There is, as has been said and known, much social stigma towards transfolk / CDers, so much so that, if you were to go out publicly on a date that someone might make a point of outing your date. What then? would you stand beside your woman, and protect her? Heaven only knows that, were I to date a man, I would require him to be of strong enough character to stand beside me in public. He likely WILL be called GAY and so many other hatefully rude things, but so what? That is something to certainly have very clear between you and your chosen date.

[kellycan27]

Hey if she can handle a professional career and do the things that I mentioned then that would be fine. And her making more money is moot point because women always marry a man of higher social standing and higher income. They love strong, dominant husbands who are great leaders and protect them. She can have full time job but still has to be traditional. I like feminine women. I do not want to date a man.There are other men who may like other kinds of wives but not me.



Now see.. there you went and did it... you pissed me off! " A woman ALWAYS marries a man of higher social standing and higher income"? They love to be dominated? Those two statements alone indicate that YOU believe that ALL woman are less than you, and need be protected and dominated. "F" that!
You are not looking for someone to love and care for, you are looking for a subordinate to wipe your butt and take care off your offspring while you do more important things. Try talking that S**t to a potential mate, and see how many takers that you come up with. And if you do come up with one, you deserve each other.

[Tamara Croft]

Hey if she can handle a professional career and do the things that I mentioned then that would be fine. And her making more money is moot point because women always marry a man of higher social standing and higher income. They love strong, dominant husbands who are great leaders and protect them. She can have full time job but still has to be traditional. I like feminine women. I do not want to date a man.There are other men who may like other kinds of wives but not me.:OMG: I missed this bit... wow, you really are a twat :eek:

[Angel.Marie76]

You know, I find some of the :BS: in this thread offensive, to think that some of you believe women belong in the kitchen at the kitchen sink, looking after children, cooking, cleaning etc... do you actually know we're not in the 1950's anymore? This is pure fantasy, no woman in the right mind cooks in heels, it's dangerous... seriously, those that would say they'd love to do it, then do it for a month, put your heels on, and your pinny and get on with it.. and if you love it, there's something wrong with you... no woman I know loves cleaning :Angry3: Jeez... get a clue already!!!

Oh, Tamara, if I could only send myself back to the '50s.. he he.. everything would be so black and white, men would still beat their wives in private, and the world would turn a blind eye as civility would rule... women would slave over their stoves and sewing machines, only to have their husbands come home from their so very hard jobs and basically wreck everything the women works so hard all day to tidy up.. I would cheer as my fantastic man took one look at me and sighed, discontently, as he whined about whats for dinner.. all the while I'm sure he's dreaming of his secretary, assistant.. or the milkman. :D

I'm kidding of course.. :hugs: I suppose it's a dream in many ways, for many Trans/CDers, of the picturesque life of a woman. I've been told and heard so many times that, as some CDers/Transfolk come out or come to grips with themselves, they live through the same little girl's evolving mentality. Wanting to end up with Prince Charming(tm) or having the beautiful life with the white picket fence, while playing with your dolls and your dollhouses and their friends over a make-believe tea party. I won't deny that I've had that dream, at least.. I, however, know that Mr. P.C. already has 400 wives lined up for him, and my white picket fence is at least a 401k-dump away from a cracked-foundation fixer-upper..


I missed this bit... wow, you really are a twat :eek:

:ROTFL: heheheheheh....

[kellycan27]

Gee the maid's outfit was the part that I liked the best. :heehee: Of course doing the maid's work doesn't sound like fun.

(Still trying to get the image of Kelly being all green out of my mind)

Still have that image Lor? :heehee:

[JulieK1980]

You know, I find some of the :BS: in this thread offensive, to think that some of you believe women belong in the kitchen at the kitchen sink, looking after children, cooking, cleaning etc... do you actually know we're not in the 1950's anymore? This is pure fantasy, no woman in the right mind cooks in heels, it's dangerous... seriously, those that would say they'd love to do it, then do it for a month, put your heels on, and your pinny and get on with it.. and if you love it, there's something wrong with you... no woman I know loves cleaning :Angry3: Jeez... get a clue already!!!


Agreed!

[sherri]

Why on earth would anyone else be offended if I happen to be drawn to a 50s type of relationship? No one's putting a gun to your head, and I happen to know what I want, which is my business and prerogative. As someone who is just naturally a homebody and nester and cook etc, I happen to know exactly what I'm talking about, thank you very much. I might or might not cook in 4" heels, but I'd be happy to put them on when it comes time to fix my man a drink and set the table. In fact, I think we'd all be better off if we all spruced up our act a bit, especially here in the US.

As for Sean being a twat or whatever, I agree that he appears to be chauvinist, and that might not appeal to some of you, but I actually want my SO to play a dominant role, as long as I feel loved and cared for. My dad, for example was an old-school chauvinist, but was sacrificially devoted to his family his whole life -- no abuse, no wife-beating, no neglect, no brow-beating or any of that hyperbolic BS -- so don't try to tell me it isn't possible. Besides, haven't you learned that the best way to handle a man is to let him think he's the boss? :o

The thing that does bother me about Sean is that he totally ignored my original question (post #58) about being in an out-of-the-closet relationship, and hasn't answered the several gurls who've repeated it. That makes me suspect that he is merely indulging a hypothetical fantasy -- and sitting back to enjoy the catfight. :daydreaming:

[Karen564]

You know, I find some of the :BS: in this thread offensive, to think that some of you believe women belong in the kitchen at the kitchen sink, looking after children, cooking, cleaning etc... do you actually know we're not in the 1950's anymore? This is pure fantasy, no woman in the right mind cooks in heels, it's dangerous... seriously, those that would say they'd love to do it, then do it for a month, put your heels on, and your pinny and get on with it.. and if you love it, there's something wrong with you... no woman I know loves cleaning :Angry3: Jeez... get a clue already!!!

This is really way too funny...

And what exactly makes thread any different than many others here??

I say strokes for different folks...not everyone conforms to your version of the modern day woman, and so now what, if they don't desire to live up modern day standards, or lack of, theres something wrong with them??

You don't know me or my Mom well enough to say that, not saying that we Love cleaning, but we don't hate it either, and we both pride ourselves on having a clean home that only made that possible by our own free will..

I don't see anything wrong with a guy looking for a wife that may also enjoy being traditional, as to whether he finds one that fits his exact needs is doubtful, but not totally impossible.

And I also fail to see the wrong in the desire to take care of the man as long as he's fulfilling the needs of the woman if thats what she wants.

I may not wear my bra everyday, but I'm not burning it either..

[SusanCACD]

Jeez Cordgrass, you so talented, so capable, so strong in your desire, beliefs and your writing style, your capabilities in convening thought and feelings. Given your contribution to this thread, I wonder if you would like a girl like so many of us at home waiting for you after a work day?

I don't mean to sound like I doubt you, I was just kinda wondering what it would be like to really really make a home, a sanctuary from all the stress, worries and pressures of making a living in the world not to mention dealing with this crazy twist of fate that so many of us endure.

Thanks for being here and the contributions to this web site, it really make's life tolerable for me, and I am sure many others. Hope to hear more from you.....

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! LOL.LOL.LOL!!!!!

Susan

[suchacutie]

Ok..here it comes:

1: In previous posts I put myself NOT in the "traditional role" big time...but:

2: I will likely retire sometime in the next decade. Thus, my wife and I will have no resposibilities outside the home unless we choose..sooooooo:

3: In one way of thinking we will both be home, looking after each other, doing what we please (including work if we so choose), and, thus, will in some ways be traditional house-wives (notice the plural) for at least part of the time. Ok, my masculine self will show up part of the time too, but for a part of the time we will both be fulfilling that "traditional role" in fact, although without the "dominant" male coming home each day after slaying the dragon!

In conclusion, there are aspects of retirement that are just what the "traditionalists" are saying they would like. You can see it, right? Some days it's husband and wife. Some days it's two girl friends. I'm sure there are more than a few couples on this forum who are in this position right now! Are those of us in long-term transgendered relationships actually heading in this direction in retirement? Doesn't sound too bad to me under those circumstances!

tina :)

[Karen564]

Just one more thing ladies, please don't think I'm sticking up for Mr Muscle here, because I'm not. I simply don't know him.. My views are on supporting the concept only...and No, I don't live in a dreamworld or any fantasy land, I do live in the real world every day, so if someone was offering a little break away from that, I may grab a piece of that fantasy..but because of that, I have already taken some heat from my posts here about it, and couldn't help but notice that I didn't see any prince charming come to my rescue, so that tells me a lot right there about a persons character..

:hugs:

[Destiny]

I am a housewife now as well, although I still balance a job with everything else, cooking, cleaning, beauty time as well as paying ALOT of attention to my wife and actually sleeping....sometimes lol. I am completely happy with my situation but if I wasnt married to such a great woman then I could totally see me as a man's wife. I would want a husband who was the strong, dominant type and I would keep a perfect house, have his meals on the table when he got home from work and do everything/anything he wanted of me in the bedroom. I think I would make a great catch.
:)

[cordgrass]

Jeez Cordgrass, you so talented, so capable, so strong in your desire, beliefs and your writing style, your capabilities in convening thought and feelings. Given your contribution to this thread, I wonder if you would like a girl like so many of us at home waiting for you after a work day?

I don't mean to sound like I doubt you, I was just kinda wondering what it would be like to really really make a home, a sanctuary from all the stress, worries and pressures of making a living in the world not to mention dealing with this crazy twist of fate that so many of us endure.

Thanks for being here and the contributions to this web site, it really make's life tolerable for me, and I am sure many others. Hope to hear more from you.....

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! LOL.LOL.LOL!!!!!

Susan

I would love to make a sanctuary like that with another girl. But I'm girlie enough myself that I'd like to participate too. I love to cook and I enjoy the other housewifely things. I have a fountain in my front hall with chimes, and I have lots of candles and incense and well, yes, my home is a sanctuary, at least when my kids are away during the week, on the weekends it can get quite rambunctious!

I am sexist, I think women should be in charge! :dom: So I don't like seeing anybody dressed up feminine doing menial chores. On the other hand, intently watching a man in tight shorts and a tanktop mowing my lawn, bringing him a beer, and when he's done giving him a nice homecooked meal, and then drawing him a hot bath with feminine-smelling bath salts, me giving her a long massage with a flowery massage oil and then dressing her up in pretty lingerie, stockings, dress, wig and makeup and having a glass of wine together with lots of flirty conversation...and so forth ;) that's my idea of a good time. Not that I would force or expect a man to mow the lawn, but if he's going to, I'm going to enjoy watching it. Or home repair, that's very erotic too. :D I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think ultra-feminine clothes should be reserved for relaxing, entertaining, going out, or getting ready to get busy.

Would I enjoy men doing housework in the same way? Yes, I suppose I would, but I wouldn't want them dressed en femme to do it, because I don't think dressing up should be associated with work. Except for cooking--cooking isn't work.

I'm very opinionated! :tongueout

[Sandra]

Hey if she can handle a professional career and do the things that I mentioned then that would be fine. And her making more money is moot point because women always marry a man of higher social standing and higher income. They love strong, dominant husbands who are great leaders and protect them. She can have full time job but still has to be traditional. I like feminine women. I do not want to date a man.There are other men who may like other kinds of wives but not me.




You really have don't a clue do you :Angry3: WTF makes you think that we marry a man of higher social standing? to me that is saying we are beneath men.

and for for your information I didn't marry my partner because she is of higher social standing, nor is she a dominate one....I suggest that you think before you type this load of :BS:

[Tamara Croft]

You don't know me or my Mom well enough to say that, not saying that we Love cleaning, but we don't hate it either, and we both pride ourselves on having a clean home that only made that possible by our own free will.Exactly, you 'don't' love it... neither do I, I don't hate it either and I like having a clean house, doesn't me I want to dress up in my heels and clean it though...

[Karen564]

Exactly, you 'don't' love it... neither do I, I don't hate it either and I like having a clean house, doesn't me I want to dress up in my heels and clean it though...

Agreed then,
I know cleaning house & heels don't mix well at all, been there, done that... there's a time & place for heels before or after, but not during housework..

Although I do OK cooking dinner with them on sometimes, but lately the norm for me is kicking the heels off right after I get home, sometimes even before that....lol

:hugs:

[seanmuscle]

Exactly, you 'don't' love it... neither do I, I don't hate it either and I like having a clean house, doesn't me I want to dress up in my heels and clean it though...

1) First the maids outfit refers to the bedroom. You take everything I say and twist it into a bad thing.

2) We each have certain requirements and we both complement each other. Dominate doesnt mean I abuse her or tell her what to do. It just means she likes the very confident, great leader men who can protect her. Maybe alot of you dress like a woman but you do not have a womans brain. It is an inate biology for a women to find the highest quality mate possible. She is only able to ovulate a certain amount of eggs in her life that require much more nutrients to make than a sperm. She is making a huge biological investment and must have a mate that will give her great access to resources and high social standing in the group. It is physically fit, strong and dominate males who give her this.That is one of the reasons why there is sexual dimorphism. Its evolution. You call me sexist but go look at any other couple and the man is usually making more than the woman and has higher social standing.

3) I am a romantic and caring man that loves my wife.

There are some CDs who get it but alot of you sound like feminists who want to turn women into men. I respect others who do not want this type of relationship but its pathetic some are actually degrading and trying to sway other members for for wanting a traditional relationship. I think I am more compatible with genetic girls.

[Sandra]

I think I am more compatible with genetic girls.

Not with this one you aint...

[sherri]

2) We each have certain requirements and we both complement each other. Dominate doesnt mean I abuse her or tell her what to do. It just means she likes the very confident, great leader men who can protect her. Maybe alot of you dress like a woman but you do not have a womans brain. It is an inate biology for a women to find the highest quality mate possible. She is only able to ovulate a certain amount of eggs in her life that require much more nutrients to make than a sperm. She is making a huge biological investment and must have a mate that will give her great access to resources and high social standing in the group. It is physically fit, strong and dominate males who give her this.That is one of the reasons why there is sexual dimorphism. Its evolution. You call me sexist but go look at any other couple and the man is usually making more than the woman and has higher social standing. I understand what you're saying, and there is some validity to it, but I think you may be underestimating the social evolution that has transpired since the go-forth-and-multiply days. :) And you are seriously wrong about the social standing thing -- a man's earning power no doubt contributes to a couple's social standing, but it's the woman who manages that game the best, dear.


3) I am a romantic and caring man that loves my wife.So you're already married, and to a GG? If so, why are you yanking chains here?

********

BTW, "dominate" is a verb, "dominant" is the adjective I think you and others were looking for. :hugs:

[Karen564]

Maybe alot of you dress like a woman but you do not have a womans brain. .

Thats a beauty, I'll have to be sure to tell my therapist that one & then get my money back.....


And Oh......Don't let the door hit you on the way out ....

[seanmuscle]

I'll leave it to Sean to defend his attitude or not as he chooses. Chauvinism from anyone can be irritating, I'll admit, but imho, this sort of rhetoric really ramps up the hostility in a forum and is particularly inappropriate coming from a moderator. But hey, it's your world, I'm just lurking in it.

I understand what you're saying, and there is some validity to it, but I think you may be underestimating the social evolution that has transpired since the go-forth-and-multiply days. :) And you are seriously wrong about the social standing thing -- a man's earning power no doubt contributes to a couple's social standing, but it's the woman who manages that game the best, dear.

So you're already married, and to a GG? If so, why are you yanking chains here?

********

BTW, "dominate" is a verb, "dominant" is the adjective I think you and others were looking for. :hugs:

Nope it is genetically innate. Every female looks for certain markers in a man that ensures her survival. There is a reason why alpha males at the clubs score more chicks. Sure you can socialize people a certain way but biology will always prevail. You are ignorant. No I am not married. I am explaining what type of man I would be. Just summing myself up. And my first language is not english. You pointing out spelling errors is just a sign I get under your skin.

And to the majority here. I know what kind of men you are. You want to wear womens clothing and worship women. You hate everything associated with masculinity and being male. Even to the point where you shame other males for not conforming to your ideals. You are radical, nazi-feminists in a sort of way. I understand the reason most men will not date a crossdresser. You are and never will be real women.

I am leaving this forum now. And if I see any crossdressers in real life they sure are not receiving my help if they get the tar beat out of them. I cannot take the chance that I am helping the very people that attack my identity. I feel sorry for the legit girls here who will have to endure much pain.

sean

[Karen564]

Well, I hope everyone is happy now, You just drove off the only Real man in here... But why I'm I not surprised by that..:doh:

I wonder if he has an older brother like him..:daydreaming:

[kellycan27]

I hope he has more stamina in the sack.:heehee:

[cordgrass]

Anyone who is new to dating men might find it helpful to get the books The Gift of Fear and Protecting the Gift. My two cents.

[Tamara Croft]

I think I am more compatible with genetic girls.Not this one you're not :rolleyes:


I am leaving this forum now.Adios... and this thread is done.