Do CDs/TS/TV have a greater...

[KateLongman27]

Discuss the following statement:

Transsexuals have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

[Sheila]

in my opinion no for simple reasons TS are females assigned the wrong external gender at birth & 2) each woman is a unique individual :straightface: and I made the assumption you were talking about M2F TS

And a ***Please discuss*** would have been nice :tongueout

[Kaitlyn Michele]

sorry...sounds quite silly to me

[Kate Simmons]

I'm not quite following you my friend. Everyone is an individual and their understanding of things is usually based on personal experience rather than "being" something.:)

[KateLongman27]

It's not silly, since Crossdressers, Tranvestites, Transsexuals etc. are all part of the transgendered community.

On this forum I'll bet they'll be several topics along the lines of why we do we crossdress? (e.g. http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123105&highlight=why+do+we+crossdress ) some of the reason range from: It's a part of who we are to feeling sexy.

The question we should be asking is are we driven subconsciously driven to emulate what our perfect woman who we could spend the rest of our lives with? Since finding the perfect woman is a fools errand, it's not going to happen, so therefore we find a partner who is near perfect and compromise. With crossdressing it's different because you have to live with the otherside of you; the subconscious driving you to reach that perfection.

Since every single one of us dresses in a particular, style, with a particular hair colour etc. so even if we don't admit it we are exactly on the same playing field as transsexuals since in order to crossdress there is a need to be a female in one way or another. It's just that we don't feel that we're a female in the wrong body.

[Sheila]

you said dicuss the folowing staement
Transsexuals have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

we are doing, you just maybe don't like the answers you are getting :straightface:

If you mean YOU should be asking a different question, then ask that and not the one you did :straightface:

[Jonianne]

I can only speak as a cd'er. I think for the most part, as evidenced by this forum, we often see women with our male minds and try to imitate what feels good to our male mind.

Hince all the threads about how we dress so much better than ordinary women. All we are really doing is demonstrating how we have no clue how women think and live daily. They just want to dress in a comfortable way like men have done for centuries.

We as cd'ers have to strive just as hard to be sensitive and understanding of women, as a good non-cd'ing male who wants to be sensitive. I don't think there is really much of a difference, if any.

[MissKara]

I would actually answer Yes :) I have found that as Kara has developed (Being a TS/TG myself), I have found that I am able to predict, with greater accuracy, what women are actually looking for in a mna :P

Lota love,
Miss Kara

[Sheila]

Kara what are we looking for in a man ?

[MissKara]

Kara what are we looking for in a man ?

Me thinks I better elaborate here: I can usually tell, with greater accuracy, what my female friends/acquaintances are looking for a in a man, not just anyone off the street because every girl is different and is looking for different things in a man (One of my friends is looking for a completely nerdy type but doesn't want to admit it because she is ashamed of it while another wants someone who will be narky/annoying to her)

[Andy66]

Transsexuals have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.
I don't know how you can claim to know what someone else is thinking, better than they do. :brolleyes:

[NiCo]

I don’t think anyone can truly say they know exactly what they are looking for in a partner, because we all change as time goes on. We may like something about a certain partner now, but that may change as we get older and mature. I used to like effeminate looking men, now I can’t stand them…I used to prefer blond hair on a man over dark…now it’s dark all the way…

I don’t think I can say because I am TG I know men better than women…or I know women better than men and I know what each of them want in their partners…cause that’s not true…I only know what I want, and I want alone.

I don’t know if I made sense, but I know what I mean lol.

[KateLongman27]

What do men look for in a woman? If you ask 1000 men common factors will build up so much so in fact; you could probably ask are you a leg man?

However is this what men are really looking for in a woman? Or is it something deeper and more meaningful? That only a male who is transgendered can provide a more insightful look in what a man is seeking in a woman, then a male who isn't transgendered.

[Sheila]

again the answer to your question is NO

[noeleena]

Hi ,

I had to look at that ?? a few times, the answer is for many no.
they dont because they are baseing what they see on how they think not as a woman because they only see what they see as a very young female they have a preconceved idear of what a woman is with out the experance to back it up. in other words no life experance. & most women dont live like , many of those t s wont to.
& every one see s things differently & many men see a woman as a sexual object to have as a partner who looks like a sex object.

This is a very loaded ?? or two,
The other point is some of us are not t s or ever will be so no again im both male & female so if i look at those ? where does that put me right in the middle & no im not interested in men or ever will be yet i live as a woman .

The other part is im liveing with a woman ( natal ) & have been for 37 years.
i have that experance to back up how i see a woman or women. & how i see my self . I dont try to even emulte a woman because i was born with that part of my self as one
We may come under the same heading of trans . there is a big difference in how we think, a male well most any way dont & cant think as a female or a woman . because they are not wired with a womans brain to start with . & theres no point in saying they do. you may dress in female no probs & you may pass well & no dought do a far better show of it than i ever will that does not make you a female or a woman
A t s no dought most are wired with a female brain & yes hate thier body yet they are female & will, well most go h r t & s r s & what ever so they can live as a female .
As to dressing in female i dont do that for a show or to emulat a female i dress as a woman i dont wear male clothes so thats a no brainer to me . dont have any ,

That ?? of what do i see in a male . or insights nothing because i never related to men so to ask some of us that ?
i can sermise the answer just not give a solid one & no dought the answers will vary a lot. & because our back grounds are so different you have to take that in to account as well .

...noeleena...

[KateLongman27]

in my opinion no for simple reasons TS are females assigned the wrong external gender at birth & 2) each woman is a unique individual :straightface: and I made the assumption you were talking about M2F TS

And a ***Please discuss*** would have been nice :tongueout

For your information:

Transsexual people identify as, or desire to live & be accepted as, a member of the sex opposite to that assigned at birth - http://www.tgguide.com I just had to trawl through all the forums that I use to find it.

[Jonianne]

.......That only a male who is transgendered can provide a more insightful look in what a man is seeking in a woman, then a male who isn't transgendered.

I wouldn't be presumptious, thinking that our being TG gives us an advantage over other men. Any man who is gentle and confident and knows who he is and what he wants, who doesn't live in a fantasy world, but listens and looks deeper than surface will have a good idea of what he is seeking in a woman, whether he is transgendered or not.

[Sheila]

Kate I do think I do get that, being as my partner is TS and I did not have to trawl through any forums to know that, it is well documented here alone :) I did say about being assigned the wrong birth gender ......... perhaps the language barrier comes into play here ........... & I did say I ASSUMED YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT M2F and did not need to say F2M as again I assumed that would be a given, I will try in future to make myself clearer to you :)

[mklinden2010]

Discuss the following statement:

Transsexuals have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.


That statement is a false generalization.

[KateLongman27]

That statement is a false generalization.

Why is it?

[Deborah Jane]

Why is it?

Because it assumes we are all the same, which we aren't!!

[KateLongman27]

Because it assumes we are all the same, which we aren't!!

The statement doesn't assume we're all the same, I said:

Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

[Deborah Jane]

The statement doesn't assume we're all the same, I said:

Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

Exactly, your statement assumes all Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] to be the same, as does the following..... "then men themselves".

You are assuming both separate groups to think the same as others in those groups..ie all Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] think the same while other men all think the same as each other, but differantly to the whole of the first group.

[Stephanie Anne]

The statement doesn't assume we're all the same, I said:

Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

Transsexual does to equal what you just stated. We also have no more insight into what men want in a woman than anyone else since that has nothing to do with being a crossdresser, transgendered, or a transsexual.

So by your own admission, a crossdresser is less of a man than a normal male?

Oh and I can't speak for other transsexuals but why would I have some magical insight into men's desire for women?

[KateLongman27]

Exactly, your statement assumes all Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] to be the same, as does the following..... "then men themselves".

You are assuming both separate groups to think the same as others in those groups..ie all Transsexuals [Crossdressers, Transvestites, Pre-op TS etc.] think the same while other men all think the same as each other, but differantly to the whole of the first group.

All men want one thing in a woman, whether they know it; is another matter since our subconscious influences our decisions. When you strip away everything all men say they want, you'll find an underlying thing which is common in all men.

My statement states that because within the subconscious there is a female thinking/feeling mechanism, this enables the crossdressing etc. man to see the insight to what they're really looking for. While non-crossdressing etc. men don't have that insight.

[Deborah Jane]

All men want one thing in a woman, whether they know it; is another matter since our subconscious influences our decisions. When you strip away everything all men say they want, you'll find an underlying thing which is common in all men.

My statement states that because within the subconscious there is a female thinking/feeling mechanism, this enables the crossdressing etc. man to see the insight to what they're really looking for. While non-crossdressing etc. men don't have that insight.

Kate you are making assumptions nothing more.
Do you have proof of this subconcious thinking/feeling mechanism that [all?] crossdressers, etc seem to have, while also be able to prove that all non crossdressing, etc men don't?

[KateLongman27]

Kate you are making assumptions nothing more.
Do you have proof of this subconcious thinking/feeling mechanism that [all?] crossdressers, etc seem to have, while also be able to prove that all non crossdressing, etc men don't?

Correct me if I'm wrong you're a crossdresser; so you think and act like a woman?

The answer to that would be yes, so you have an underlying need to act and dress as a woman, topics on here which have people purging and then come back because of the need to crossdress, implies that subconsciously something is driving them.

Therefore a man who doesn't crossdress, does he think and act like a woman? No, so the man who doesn't crossdress doesn't have an underlying subconscious need to crossdress.

[NiCo]

I thought the meaning of crossdresser was “man in a dress”???

I think you’ll probably find Debs is a TS not a CD. There is a massive difference.

[Deborah Jane]

Correct me if I'm wrong you're a crossdresser; so you think and act like a woman?

The answer to that would be yes,

1...Actually I'm not a crossdresser I'm TS
2...I don't [and never have] thought like a woman, I know plenty of women [I've even been married to two] and I think nothing like them on most things.

3...So, the answer to that is actually a resounding NO

[KateLongman27]

I thought the meaning of crossdresser was “man in a dress”???

I think you’ll probably find Debs is a TS not a CD. There is a massive difference.

Crossdress: to dress in clothing typically worn by members of the opposite sex.

http://http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crossdress?r=66

I'll give you some time to think about the philosophy behind it.

[NiCo]

Still, it’s a man wearing woman’s clothing in this case…not someone who’s brain is wired female which is what a female TS is.

Oh and don’t try and be smart by linking it to a dictionary…why don’t you look up TS in a dictionary, you won’t find any connection to a CD there.

[Stephanie Anne]

Two things Kate

1) You really need to stop thinking everyone in the transgender community is nothing more than a bloke or broad occasionally having a fling in the other gender's clothes and that we crave women.

I mean if I am nothing more than a man wanting some hot tail and just like to dress in drag every once in a while, thank god! Now I can just turn off hating being born a man and can get on with my life. Thank you so much, you just saved me years of therapy and emotional turmoil, how ever can I repay you!?

2) By your logic, you have an avatar in bondage so that means unequivocally that you have deep insight into torture because isn't every bdsm just a little serial killer waiting to get out?

I don't think you care what other people say here at all, you have made up your mind and are just looking for validation.

[Wen4cd]

All men want one thing in a woman, whether they know it; is another matter since our subconscious influences our decisions. When you strip away everything all men say they want, you'll find an underlying thing which is common in all men.

My statement states that because within the subconscious there is a female thinking/feeling mechanism, this enables the crossdressing etc. man to see the insight to what they're really looking for. While non-crossdressing etc. men don't have that insight.

What would you call this "one thing?" I see much of what you are saying about unconscious life, but this 'one thing' you speak of is highly amibiguous and smells like gross generalization without explanation.

[Annaliese2010]

Discuss the following statement:

Transsexuals have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.IDK bout that cuz I'm into women not men...so I think I have a greater insight into what a woman seeks in another woman and it's ALL good, girl.

[Renelle]

The only insight I have from being a CD is all the crap women go through on a daily basis while barely even thinking about it. Other than that, I have no special insight about who wants what.

[Fab Karen]

Everyone is an individual and their understanding of things is usually based on personal experience rather than "being" something.:)
Some people should repeat that to themselves 20 times per day.





I think you’ll probably find Debs is a TS not a CD. There is a massive difference.
There's a difference, but not massive.

[Carly D.]

I think I have a better understanding of how I would like to see a woman dress.. And I also understand why it might be better to drop of the woman wearing heels in front of the store or whatever rather than have her wear her high heels from a very far distance especially if she had been wearing them all day..

[Sammy777]

Do CDs/TS/TV have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

Here is your First mistake-
You Assume the following:
That all Transgendered people like women as their preferred, or even sole partners.

Within each group of us their are what could be called:
straight, bi, gay and/or lesbian members.

PS: When you assume..... you make an ass out of you.



It's not silly, since Crossdressers, Tranvestites, Transsexuals etc. are all part of the transgendered community.

Here is your second mistake.
You again "Assume" that just because CD'ers, Tv's and TS' are all "covered under" Transgendered that we all must be the same. We certainly are NOT!


What do men look for in a woman?
However is this what men are really looking for in a woman? That only a male who is transgendered can provide a more insightful look in what a man is seeking in a woman, then a male who isn't transgendered.

So what you are saying is the avg Joe really has no idea what he wants in a women, but a transgendered person does?


For your information:
Transsexual people identify as, or desire to live & be accepted as, a member of the sex opposite to that assigned at birth

Wow! I sure am glad you cleared that up for me. :heehee:
But just to clarify that "definition" of yours.
We [Transsexuals] are people, people who are the opposite of our genetically defective birth bodies and our supposedly "correctly assigned" birth gender.


All men want one thing in a woman, whether they know it; is another matter since our subconscious influences our decisions. When you strip away everything all men say they want, you'll find an underlying thing which is common in all men.

My statement states that because within the subconscious there is a female thinking/feeling mechanism, this enables the crossdressing etc. man to see the insight to what they're really looking for. While non-crossdressing etc. men don't have that insight.

WOW - Too fuuny.
You say All men are the same and all want "one thing" from a women and follow that by saying their subconscious influences their decisions.
Every person's conscious [and subconscious] is different isn't it?

There is truly only one thing that [almost] all men want from women and [almost] all women want from men.
That is to procerate in order to further humanity as a whole.
Just like every other creature on the planet.

So to answer your question -
You don't need to be a CD, TV or TS to know this.
You just need to have gotten through 4th grade science class. :lol2:

So is that what you wanted to know Kate?





I think you’ll probably find Debs is a TS not a CD. There is a massive difference.
There's a difference, but not massive.

Really?!? I beg to differ.
I think that while there are some basic similarities or parallels between CD's and TS's there is a world of difference between the two and the divide is massive as stated by Nico.

[KateLongman27]

I'll let you in on a secret there is no correct or wrong answer to that statement, it's a bit like the statement of:

If a tree fell and there was no one around, would the tree still make the cracking and all the noise?

and all the questions that plato, aristotle etc. asked. :devil:

[Sammy777]

I'll let you in on a secret there is no correct or wrong answer to that statement, it's a bit like the statement of:

If a tree fell and there was no one around, would the tree still make the cracking and all the noise?

and all the questions that plato, aristotle etc. asked. :devil:

Through out this whole thread I have watched you skate around [your opening statement/question] more then a professional hockey player. :lol2:

And throwing random quotes and such around every time someone responds like does a tree falling make a sound, or what is the sound of one hand clapping, if a bear shits in the woods, if a train leaves Chicago at 6:15 heading west, ect, does not really help your cause now does it.

SO why not just do away with all the philosophical beating around the bush and just ask the real question you seemingly want to ask but are somehow or in someway afraid to ask.

Because any more random statements or quotes like:
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the universe.

Is just a waste of time isn't it. :D

[KateLongman27]

Is just a waste of time isn't it. :D


No, as I've got my answer what I was looking for.

[Fab Karen]

Yes, really. There's a massive difference between myself & some CD's, but they are not all CD's, just as there's a massive difference between a given TS and some TS's.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

I'll let you in on a secret there is no correct or wrong answer to that statement, it's a bit like the statement of:

If a tree fell and there was no one around, would the tree still make the cracking and all the noise?

and all the questions that plato, aristotle etc. asked. :devil:

how much wood would a wood chuck wood if a wood chuck could chuck wood ...

please discuss..

[Katesback]

It is not rocket science to know what many men want in a women. It also does not take a CD, TS, or GG to know this.

Guys want the honey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really simple!

Katie

[Tina B.]

how much wood would a wood chuck wood if a wood chuck could chuck wood ...

please discuss..

What size is this Wood Chuck? is it male or female? what is the wood chuck wearing? Kaitlyn, you didn't give us enough information about this Wood chuck to be able to give any good advice.
Tina B.
Oh, on the other thing, most of the time I don't what I want, much less what others might want.

[Deborah Jane]

What size is this Wood Chuck? is it male or female? what is the wood chuck wearing? Kaitlyn, you didn't give us enough information about this Wood chuck to be able to give any good advice.
Tina B.


Well here is the Woodchuck in question, it would appear to be male, though further investigations have suggested he/she to be transgendered

Could you figure out "how much wood would a wood chuck wood if a wood chuck could chuck wood" based on the evidence given and this photo?


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[Kaitlyn Michele]

finally this thread is starting to make some sense

[EnglishRose]

I have no idea what men seek in women because I don't identify as one. Next!

[KateLongman27]

Why else would men secretly admire transsexuals?

[NiCo]

Because they are inspired by their courage and strength?

[Well that’s my answer anyways.]

[Nicole Erin]

Folks, be careful of threads like this - they are created just to get people to screw up and get banned. You don't know who actually creates threads like this. Probably when someone feels like "cleaning house" but needs solid reasons to do so.

For the OP statement - I don't know either way and could care less what women "really" want in a man.

[Ze]

*James Earl Jones voice* I'm a philosopher and I nominate this thread for Best Comedy. :lol:

[Rianna Humble]

Discuss the following statement:

Transsexuals have a greater insight into what a man seeks in a woman, then men themselves.

IMNSHO this statement is entirely fallacious. It is also based upon a misunderstanding of what a transsexual is as evidenced by your later clarification extending this statement to other transgendered people who are not transsexual.

I do not see why I would have an understanding of what men seek in a woman since I am only a man in body not in my essential nature.


All men want one thing in a woman, whether they know it; is another matter since our subconscious influences our decisions. When you strip away everything all men say they want, you'll find an underlying thing which is common in all men.

I find this statement to be offensive to men as well as probably being wrong.
I know of men who genuinely only seek companionship and of others who are basically after a sex-object. I would never class the former in the same category as the latter.


My statement states that because within the subconscious there is a female thinking/feeling mechanism, this enables the crossdressing etc. man to see the insight to what they're really looking for. While non-crossdressing etc. men don't have that insight.

You are now changing your statement to refer to cross-dressing men rather than the original transsexuals.

I don't know what cross-dressing men are looking for in a woman any more than I know what non-cross-dressing cisgendered men are looking for in a woman.

[Deborah Jane]

*James Earl Jones voice* I'm a philosopher and I nominate this thread for Best Comedy. :lol:

I second this nomination [said in *Goldie Hawn* voice] :heehee:

[Ze]

I second this nomination [said in *Goldie Hawn* voice] :heehee:

We could host together!

[Deborah Jane]

We could host together!

Ooh, does that mean I get to wear my new gold sequinned frock and pout a lot? :daydreaming:

[Ze]

Ooh, does that mean I get to wear my new gold sequinned frock and pout a lot? :daydreaming:

Would I have my Goldie any other way? :love:

[Deborah Jane]

Would I have my Goldie any other way? :love:

Awww Ze *James* :battingeyelashes:
Thank you :love:

[sherri52]

What any person sees in another is what thier personal tastes are. The only difference is that I believe We have a better understanding of women. No I don't think that we completely know them but we understand some of thier needs better than men that don't dress (in general).

[EnglishRose]

Ooh, does that mean I get to wear my new gold sequinned frock and pout a lot? :daydreaming:

Ew, you said frock! Isn't that a hugely phonetically ugly word?

[Ze]

Awww Ze *James* :battingeyelashes:
Thank you :love:

What can I say? I know what women want. :D

(And y'all thought I was derailing...)

[Deborah Jane]

Ew, you said frock! Isn't that a hugely phonetically ugly word?

I heard Goldie say it and I'm a Goldie Hawn wannabie :daydreaming:


What can I say? I know what women want. :D

(And y'all thought I was derailing...)

So, as you all see, between Ze and I, we have conducted a little experiment to check out the validity of this thread :)

[NiCo]

I heard Goldie say it and I'm a Goldie Hawn wannabie :daydreaming:


Goldie aint got sh*t on you! :love:

[KateLongman27]

You won't truly know someone until you fight them, thank you for letting me know who you are. Goodbye.

[erika130]

What a man seeks in a woman?
This is as if we could generalize that all men seek the same in a woman..
This forum alone is clear proof that each one of us is a unique individual, and as such we may have completely different expectations from the next person. That could be two men, a CD, a TS, or a woman herself!
For that matter, how about what a woman seeks in a woman..

[Ze]

You won't truly know someone until you fight them.

Aw geez, do threads have to end when the OP refutes their own claims? :lol:

[kellycan27]

:yawn: Iam goin back to bed.

[Sheila]

:yawn: Iam goin back to bed.

Guess I know where to find MR Debs then if he goes missing, cos being a Mr (wherever in the TG scale) he knows what he likes in a woman, & you are one fine woman :D


NICO :kiss: :koc: and :kickbutt::spank::slap: She is now in front of the mirror practicing here acceptance speech :sigh:

[EnglishRose]

thank you for letting me know who you are. Goodbye.

People who debate contentious issues when directly asked to? :)

[NiCo]

NICO :kiss: :koc: and :kickbutt::spank::slap: She is now in front of the mirror practicing here acceptance speech :sigh:

:heehee: sorry, i just don't know how to lie... ;)

[sometimes_miss]

Uh, in a word, no. People rarely have much conscious idea of what other people want in a mate, they all like to rely on the vague term 'chemistry'. But in general, men want physically attractive women, and women want masculine alpha male types.

[Sammy777]

Is just a waste of time isn't it. :D

No, as I've got my answer what I was looking for.

I'm glad to hear it.
Now maybe that you have your answer you can share with the rest of the group what the real question was?


Why else would men secretly admire transsexuals?

You seem to have all the answers, sooooo why not enlighten the group on this one?
I'm sure there are a few here, including myself, who would love to hear you expand further on this one.


You won't truly know someone until you fight them, thank you for letting me know who you are. Goodbye.

Is this your way of saying-
I didn't get the desired effect I wanted from this thread....
So I am taking my balls and going home? :D