Physical Markers Of Transsexuality You Tube

[SamanthaStMichaels]

Okay I just got done doing the most depressing thing that any of us have to do. BILLS!

So now I am relaxing and watching You Tube and I came across this.

Physical Markers Of Transsexuality (http://www.youtube.com/user/TransgenderSupport#p/c/04329A4C04D8112D/1/k6gU5b_NBIs)


So I'm watching it and thinking to myself this is BS. She's bending and exaggerating her arms to make them like that. That's me the one that always looks for the magicians tricks.

So I get up and looking the mirror. Fully expecting to see my arms straight. To my surprise my arms are even more angled then Melonie's in the video. I could not make it straight. I also have a narrow rib cage. Maybe this is the reason I was called sissy in school growing up?

So now I want to see a genetic males arms to see if there is any angle at all. I suspect that their arm are angled too and not straight. I'm sorry I sometimes think like a scientist. I have to prove and disprove a theory before I accept it. I'll be researching this for the rest of the night. :D

So now I have to ask how many of you have the angle and how many don't? If their are any genetic males here. Please let me know? This has my curiosity going. Since I never heard of it before.

Maybe this means as much as the index finger thing. I don't believe that one either.

[Bree-asaurus]

My arms are angled like that and I also have wide hip bones. Everyone has always said I had child-bearing hips, lol. But I don't buy it until a large random sampling is done :P

[EnglishRose]

I dunno. I read the same thing in this article when I was first truly evaluating my gender. My arms do the same thing incidentally.

http://heartcorps.com/journeys/beginners/how-to-tell.htm

EDIT: Err yeah. Same author as the video. Oops! :)

[Super Amanda]

Interesting..I like these sorts of things.

Yea, she holds her arms like a woman, I do too because I've trained myself to do so, but if she would just rotate her forearm, it would be strait, just like mine. Tell any male to rotate his arms outward, and presto! Instant trannie!

I get a vibe of "look, I REALLY am a woman, see!see!" from her video, which is from 1999, by the way.

Honestly it seems like B.S. to me. It's a schoolyard thing like knees touching means a girl is a virgin. It's just silliness.

What worries me is that to those trans people who are trying to figure this all out, may believe that they aren't "trans enough" and could be a very demoralizing scenario for someone like that.

It seems that many trans people are searching for some physical trait that explains and justifies all of this...I've done it myself , but Judging by the vast PHYSICAL differences between us, I have to believe that there is NO physical trait to identify transsexualism..

[Traci Elizabeth]

My arms are just like hers but I don't know if that is really a male/female difference or not. Maybe if enough respond, we can see if there is any merit to what she claims.

[NiCo]

Interesting…

Well my arms bend out from my body and I don’t throw like a girl [big in about sports, I think I’d notice if I threw like a girl…]

In fact I was so good at sports I was always picked to play in tournaments [baseball, basketball, football, etc etc] even with my gammy arms.

My hips aren’t wide enough to carry a child [I wasn’t going to anyway so it’s all good, it only makes me look more masculine in shape] but my sister and mother also don’t have wide hips, which is why when my mother went into labour with us, we were all early and went into difficulty meaning we all had to be delivered through C section. Same goes with my sister. [This is where things get complicated. All of my mum and dad’s kids (me included) have traces of being intersex] so I don’t really know if I could say if I was genetic male or genetic female…all I know is I’m a genetic human.

Oh and my ribcage sticks out more than usual, so does my sister’s.

Things get weirder when I talk about my brothers…but I’m not going to go there...

[Ashley S]

My arms angle, instead of going straight, but it never affected my throwing. I was told way back in high-school by my track and field trainer, a kinesiologist, that throwing is influenced by the position of the rotator-cuff in the shoulder. This means it's the broad shoulders that make guys throw like guys, not the straight arms.

I was still a medal-winning shot and discus thrower, regardless of angled arms.

[Ellen James]

I'm afraid that I have to conclude that this is completely bogus - she is holding her arms with the palms of her hands facing forwards and the bend fo the elbow forces her arms out in the manner she is describing. When you relax your arms and hands so that your palms are facing inwards or even slightly to the rear, your arms hang down in much more of a straight line than she is showing. The elbow is a hinge and when you let your arms drop down with the palms facing inward, the hinge is open towards the front, but if your arms hang down with the palms facing forwards the elbow/hinge is open much more to the sides and the point of the elbow is facing your torso.

[Super Amanda]

I'm afraid that I have to conclude that this is completely bogus - she is holding her arms with the palms of her hands facing forwards and the bend fo the elbow forces her arms out in the manner she is describing.

Thank you! But you know what Ellen? Those who are the types to buy into this rubbish won't listen to people like us...

[Stephanie Anne]

I won't lie this made me actually hold out my arms then shake my head for being so stupid as to actually stand up and hold my arms out.

I then went in the back yard and threw a ball just to prove I don't throw like no girl!

[SamanthaStMichaels]

I won't lie this made me actually hold out my arms then shake my head for being so stupid as to actually stand up and hold my arms out.

I then went in the back yard and threw a ball just to prove I don't throw like no girl!

:lol2::lol2:

Made ya look, made ya look! Ha ha

But seriously, I figured this was most likely a case of wishful thinking. I mean if it was that easy, we would have to go through a lot less hell. "Look my elbows are angled, that proves it." LOL Right wing responds "Oh then you must be a girl." Okay maybe not that easy.

I'll wait patiently for a lobotomy on my brain and get the BST checked. By then it won't matter if I am a transsexual. :)

I think Melonie is and okay person. She's been on the net forever. I even bought the voice CD from her. I will say I'm not sure if it will work. As I am not discipline enough to follow it. There is debate on her techniques there too.

[LisaM]

Show me some genetic males and females with the same condition or not and maybe I would give it some thought.

[Hope]

<cough>bullshit<cough>

This isn't because "girl arms" have a bend and "male arms" fall strait down. This is because of the different ways men and women hold their arms when the walk / stand. All this is a 1/4 rotation of the upper arm. Women stand with elbows pointing back / inwards, and men stand with their elbows pointing out. Think I am making it up? Stand in front of your mirror again and do this little experiment: "guy up" and stand the like you are ready for a fight... notice your elbows point out and your arms fall strait down. Magic! Now, stand like the lady you are, tuck in your elbows, so that the inside of your elbow faces forward and viola! Girl arm angle.

Holding babies and throwing balls my back side. Have either of these women ever been to the mall to watch people walk?

[Empress Lainie]

I have always been told I throw like a girl. No surprise to me now!
However, I disagree on her walking, and I watch hundreds of women, maybe a hundred a day passing by me. My gg friend asked me to show HER how I walk, she liked it so well.
Yes my hips do swing a little, and I don't buy women keeping their upper body straight either.

I just watch them and know what I see.
Funny she didn't mention NO adams apple, which I know some transwomen like me have none of.
Meaning it isn't visible, even gg's have the cartilige inside.

[Persephone]

Now, stand like the lady you are, tuck in your elbows, so that the inside of your elbow faces forward and viola! Girl arm angle.

I tend to agree with you, Hope, although it did seem that her arms in the video made a greater angle than my own did. Nonetheless, I do walk with my palms facing forward (feme style) rather than inward (drab style).

But I was just trying to figure out -- with your palms forward & your elbows more behind you, how do you place your hands on your hips? Isn't that a fairly common female stance? Seems more difficult with elbows to the rear.

P.S. - In elementary school I was constantly harassed because I did "throw like a girl."

[AKAMichelle]

It has to do with the angle in the elbow. You can rotate the hand to touch your thigh and your arms will hang straight down. There is nothing to this theory since I would dare say if everyone's arms wouldn't do this.

[bianca66]

I always was told that I threw like a girl but changed that years ago...Don't know if I can throw like a girl anymore. Maybe if you get me mad enough in the kitchen, I will try it again with a pot.

Walking with the palms slightly turned outwards might be the only good lesson from this video discussion...

Free Transvoice Video (that I used) ~ where you can clearly hear the difference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbaj4tIX1kw

[Hope]

But I was just trying to figure out -- with your palms forward & your elbows more behind you, how do you place your hands on your hips? Isn't that a fairly common female stance? Seems more difficult with elbows to the rear.

Watch how girls do it - it's the opposite of the way men do it... though this too has been changing recently... cultural norms for girls to be more masculine and all... Anyway, guys put their hands on their hips (when they have a official reason to) with their fingers facing forward, and their thumb towards the rear... girls tend to do the opposite, with the fingers pointing backwards, and the thumb pointing forwards... hard to do unless your elbows are facing backwards.

I was always told I threw like a girl too... it never really bugged me, I hated sports anyway and throwing like a girl was as good a way as any to not get asked to play...

The one that still cracks me up to this day is the only time I have ever hit a person on purpose... It was in high school, algebra class, and the jerk behind me was tweaking my ear... I had swatted him away several times, told him to knock it off, threatened him with all sorts of bodily harm... and he kept it up... and eventually I snapped. I swung around with the back of my hand about as hard as I could, and connected with his jaw. The blow lifted him out of his seat, and deposited him in a pile between the rows of desks. Everyone around us was silent. He got up, rubbing his face and said "you hit like a girl!" The room erupted in laughter... it was awesome.

[Empress Lainie]

So it would seem that "THROWING LIKE A GIRL" may be a very good trans genetic marker.

Now I am going to watch the arms of women passing by me in the store, and also their walk. Honestly I don't recall ever seeing a woman walk like she says.

[Raine]

Mens' arms do angle outwards when the palms are facing forward just like womens' do. Both men and women have varying degrees of how bent their arms are at the elbow. If I'm wrong, then I haven't been paying enough attention to anatomy in my art studies.

The only potential biological marker found to date (as of 2000) is the number of neurons in the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis. The count is sexually dimorphic, and both MtFs and FtMs have similar counts to their respective genders. Original study: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034 (I'm sure this study is nothing new to some.)

Narrow rib cages, 2D:4D ratios, big hips, small Adam's apples, and such when deviant from one's genetics may be indicators of other biological processes during development that have no established link to transsexuality at this time or have already been disproved.

[GypsyKaren]

I have some bridges that I'd like to sell, contact me for the details.

GK

[Kaitlyn Michele]

I was looking it up somewhere and somebody said that the main physical markers of transsexualism are

6'2"
long legs
blue eyes
brunette
likes to smile
a penis

whew...what a relief!!

[NiCo]

I was looking it up somewhere and somebody said that the main physical markers of transsexualism are

6'2"
long legs
blue eyes
brunette
likes to smile
a penis

whew...what a relief!!

Lies! :p MtF transsexualism***

[Kaitlyn Michele]

nico, i have to say i didnt just LOL...i exploded in LOL...

:hugs:

[NiCo]

nico, i have to say i didnt just LOL...i exploded in LOL...

:hugs:

;) :heehee:

[Thornton]

ok...so, my arms go straight down, allegedly like a man's. However I know I throw like a girl because I suck at everything athletic. So...what's up with that?...

And yeah, her walking thing is bullshit too. In normal, flat shoes like what she was wearing, anyone walks in which ever way works for them, female or male. Walks change when heels start to get involved...

[christina marie]

you mean to tell me that i have spent all this time and money and heartache trying to be myself, and all i had to do the whole time was flip my palms forward???????


:Angry3:

[Melissa A.]

Hahahahaha. If some people put half the effort they put into trying to convince themselves and the world they are something, into making the world a better place for all of us, well, we might have a cure for all diseases by now.

I have small feet, but I can throw a ball like nobody's business. What does that mean? I dunno. It's just as valid as that exercise in stupidity. Physical variations and exceptional traits in men and women have been around forever.

And yes, everyone's arms go out with the palms out!!! I mean how stupid does she think....aww forget it, I'll just start laughing again.

How dumb.

Hugs,

Melissa:)

[Sharon]

Geez, I was always kinda athletic and I have a pretty good throwing arm (not to mention my hammering capabilities) even at the ripe old age. I guess I'm not really female at all..., but -- sigh.... -- I have all these dang clothes now.... :drink:

[Zenith]

I have some bridges that I'd like to sell, contact me for the details.

GK

Oh...Oh...Oh...:jump:

Do you have the Brooklyn one! I call first dibs! This is gonna be such a great opportunity for squirrely...

:GD:

[Traci Elizabeth]

Come on now. If your arms do like her's then go out and shout to the world, "I have scientific proof I am a WOMAN!"

I they don't, then chalk her up as a "quack!"

That way no matter the outcome, you are still the woman you know you are.

Anyone got any popcorn? I want to watch all her videos tonight.

[Bones]

That arm thing is a load of baloney.

It varies between males and females, has NOTHING to do with "throwing a ball," nothing to do with "holding a baby."

Most arms, male or female, bend at the elbow like that. It's the natural position of the arm. It can be extended to a straight arm. Most people do not hold their arms with the hands facing forward like that. You'll more commonly see the hands to the side. You'll see that the elbow bends even on the body of a man. Here's a good example;

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt174/syndactyly01/startrek/behindtheapple.jpg

Three men of different body types, their naturally bend when relaxed. Turning the arm outward should not suddenly give the arms more slack. I'm sure even most people with this "natural bend" can extend their arm to make it straight. That is a stretch though. Male and female bone/muscle/tendon structure is mostly the same, except a few small structural differences (mostly in terms of proportion).

Also she's not taking into consideration that most women have curves. So it's going to be more comfortable anyway to bend the arm rather than lean a rigid arm on the hips...

I am FtM and I can say my arms tend to also naturally bend like that. But I could also extend them straight. This was simply less comfortable however. When my arms are relaxed, they'll bend a little. From what I've seen, this is true for most people, male or female, trans or not.

[EnglishRose]

Well, the author is in the business of selling voice training and this all makes me think it's a great advertisement for Anyone But Her. :doh:

[Bones]

Judging by her voice and the voice of her friend, they've got voices down.

And should stick to voices. :bonk: Can't be an expert at -everything-.