TI v GLBQ

[Kaden]

Where to you stand on Trans and intersex issues being included, or not, with the Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Queer/Questioning groups?

I've heard plenty of Trans people talk about how they wish the T and I were separated from the others as our issues are gender, not sexuality related.

Personally I swing the opposite way and wish they were more included. I get disheartened with the GLB community has events that all but exclude Trans and Intersex issues.

Where do you stand and why?

[Rianna Humble]

I think there is good and bad with us being linked to the LGB community, but too often we are the silent T in LGB :eek:

Many of the prejudices that we face are very similar to if not the same as those faced by the LGB community an din this sense it is great if LGB stands with T

One downside is that it furthers the misunderstanding by some who don't understand that being trans does not necessarily alter our sexuality - there are probably about as many LGB trans fold as LGB cis folk.

Whilst we have some good support from the LGB community, like you I think that often the T stays silent if not forgotten, but can we blame others for that, or should we be out there making a difference ourselves?

In another life, I was challenged as to whether I had considered the specific housing needs of the LGB community and I had to admit that I was unaware that LGB folk had differing housing needs to other folk but was willing to learn. Perhaps part of the problem is that even in the LGB(T) community, they are not sufficiently aware of us and our needs to take us into consideration when they organise something. If that is so, then maybe it is up to us to get involved and help them to learn.

[Kaden]

I think there is good and bad with us being linked to the LGB community, but too often we are the silent T in LGB :eek:

Heh, silent T, love that!


Whilst we have some good support from the LGB community, like you I think that often the T stays silent if not forgotten, but can we blame others for that, or should we be out there making a difference ourselves?

I ask that exact same question. Inclusion would be a good thing (imo) however it's not something that can be automatically expected when it's a non-issue for people who ID as GLB but not TI.


If that is so, then maybe it is up to us to get involved and help them to learn.

Indeed.

Cheers for your post Rianna, you got me thinking about how to change my interactions with the GLB crowd :)

[noeleena]

Hi,

As it is im not a ts or tv or a dresser. , i side with those who are i s being androgynous .
& over here in N Z its a smaller county .

Now i know a good few who are g & l & many wont have any thing to do with us or me any way. & quite blunty why would they . they have thier own lifes to live ,

Thats not to say i dont have them as friends i do its in the main .
Jos & i have two close friends who are L & we stay with them . I take our grand daughter & stay with them, id have seven all women ,who i get on well with through our rainbow net work. plus others who i dont see very often still are friends tho.

As to the G L B & or t we dont have one as a group we are to scatered & unless your in a city then theres nothing where we are,
There has been a small group & thats disbanded. & that was 1 / 2 an hour away.

To meet up with people i have to trav some 1 ,1 / 2 & 2 , 1 / 2 hours north or south.
One reason i dont have much to do with the bigger groups is im not a part of or with them & two im a woman & involved with womens groups & unless they are a part of our groups as women & the g & l & bi wont come up. im the only one as a trans in them.
as to in our village of less than 5,000 people,

& as you know , what is there that we can talk about, that we do here in our forums groups as trans that the others would even have any idear of what we have to go through unless they think like us ,

My friends who are G & L well thats different they are my friends its not a issue .

over here we dont have much to do with the G & L even if we wonted to its just the way it is , even with our groups in oz e its the same with in the groups i know ,

& will it change i dought it , & really the issues are poles apart & even the men cant handle us who are trans we have enough as it is just being accepted as women as i keep getting told ,
so you have to look at why would i wont to be around men who 1,i dont understand ,& i dont relate to them, 2, wont be in our womens groups any way.

& Thats like saying to me i have to join thier groups, why iv spent 40 bloody years out of 63 being under them . no thanks i tryed that im not that... male enough... to go back in to a mans world .
& i think youll find there are many here who ll agree with me on that, nothing aganist men , i just dont relate to or with them.

...noeleena...

[KathyC]

I have heard gay doesn't like tranny, and tranny look down on gay. That totally make sense to me since gays are guys into guys & trannies are woman wanna be (or already are as a post-op..) into man.
I have seen a post-op turn down on a gay guy, well, she made herself clear.
To me CDing=Cosplay, fun to wear the clothes & entertain myself, my next plan will be walk the the street when I am really ready :)

[Kaden]

I have heard gay doesn't like tranny, and tranny look down on gay. That totally make sense to me since gays are guys into guys & trannies are woman wanna be (or already are as a post-op..) into man.

That's a minority of the people I'm talking about.

Besides Gay men there are also Lesbians and Bisexuals.

Besides Transwomen there are of course Transmen and Intersexed men.

And sexuality is separate to gender identity, meaning those who ID as Trans can just as easily identify as GLBQ.

The point you raise though is do Transfolk who are straight even want to fit into the GLBQ community because of their Trans status? Think maybe that's where the big difference in opinions comes, maybe.

[KathyC]

That's a minority of the people I'm talking about.

Besides Gay men there are also Lesbians and Bisexuals.

Besides Transwomen there are of course Transmen and Intersexed men.

And sexuality is separate to gender identity, meaning those who ID as Trans can just as easily identify as GLBQ.

The point you raise though is do Transfolk who are straight even want to fit into the GLBQ community because of their Trans status? Think maybe that's where the big difference in opinions comes, maybe.
Now I am getting confuse..and my head hurts:brolleyes:

[Gerrijerry]

There is more power in numbers since LBGT is very political the more that are members the better. IF you want to be accepted one day by the world you must be counted. Then some how we (meaning all that are not the same) as what the bible belt says we have to and Must stand up to them and be counted. So lets all be friends do our own thing and stand up.