We would all be better off if you would commit suicide

[JoAnne Wheeler]

I happen to see a lady whom I knew from church and whom I have known along with her husband and son for over 40 years. I went up to her to say hello.

She told me to get away from her. She hated me for what I am doing. The world would be better off if you were dead. In fact, why don't you just commit suicide.

And this from a "professing Christian" woman. She sure is a fine example of Christian Love.

Even though I know that she is older and set in her ways, it truly hurt me to be told that everyone would be better off if I would just go ahead and kill myself.

Have any of you been told that ?

JoAnne Wheeler

[kym]

Not in so many words, but people who were close to me have told me that by their actions. Its a sad thing when people close their minds and hearts like that.

[Lorileah]

JoAnne, this is just terrible. I often wonder who these "Christians" follow. They should understand that it isn't about them. That is the teaching it is about how you treat your fellow man. Narrow mindedness is not a virtue. I would say ignore her but that isn't easy when you are in the same church. Maybe talk to the pastor...at least have them re-instill the ideals that the church was supposed to stand for (after all that is his job to lead the flock)

[Sheren Kelly]

Not me, but a very good friend told her church of her plans to transition, They told her she was still welcome at the church, but as she made progress in her transition, they lost patience with her (I suppose they hoped she would stop her transition). Eventually they informed her that she was not welcome anymore. Her wife was also made to feel uncomfortable and left the church as well. Episodes like this make me than god I am agnostic!

[sandra-leigh]

JoAnne, the remark was indeed pretty hurtful. I wish I could tell you that it was meaningless, and I wish I could give you six good reasons why you could and should just laugh and forget it, but I don't have them.

I read your description (in a past posting) of the work you do, so I know that you care deeply about your fellow humans and about fundamental justice. You are not transitioning for petty or selfish reasons: you are being true to yourself, just as you try to be true to others around you. There was no compassion or fundamental justice in the woman's remarks -- and it wasn't from a random stranger either, it was from someone you know and who should know that you have not entered into this lightly. It was unthinking, unfair... and personal.

I could analyze and speculate about why the woman might have said such a thing, but I don't think my ivory-tower analysis are what you need at this time. Instead, I send along my :hugs:

[neworleanssusan]

Well.... I'm in a profession (in my MALE life) in which I'm frequently the target of slings and arrows. To a certain extent, my female persona is my attempt to cope with that -- to have a safe place where I'm not expected to put on my armour, grab my broad sword, and go out and slay dragons every friggin day. Susan can be a gourmet cook, work on her makeup, sip 'tinis, and sleep in satin.

To a certain extent, this woman was attacking/invading a space where you would hope to be comfortable and warm and safe. One of the dangers of going "out" is that there are people out there who are so darned uncomfortable in their OWN lives, that they can't stand anyone ELSE being comfortable. My guess is that she's a person who finds other people to attack for other issues. I have an old saying that gets me thru the day -- when a dog barks at you, don't take it personally -- he's just being a dog.

[arbon]

The world would be better off if you were dead. In fact, why don't you just commit suicide.

And this from a "professing Christian" woman. She sure is a fine example of Christian Love.

JoAnne Wheeler


I may like to wear my skirts and makeup, but I feel pretty blessed that I am not like so many people such as this lady that made the comment to you -

As Dr. Suess says -


"You ougth to be thankful, a whole heaping lot,
for the places and people you're lucky you're not."


How miserable would it must be to be filled with so much contempt and hate for others. God Bless her, she needs it.

[Philippa Jane]

Hi Jo-anne.

I am never amazed anymore at the cruel things people will say to try and hurt another human being.
The church teaches us to love and respect one another. I guess that lady missed that particular lesson. I also seem to remember a scripture where Jesus threw all the hypocrites out of the church and onto the street. She probably would not see the attitude that was directed at you as being unchristian.

As a cab driver I have had more than my fair share of abuse and threatening behavior. You learn to live with it and not let it eat you up,however living in a small community must be hard if other church members feel the same way.
The best way I find to deal with derogatory comments is to smile and agree with what they say. This always has the effect of getting under their skin and most don't know how to deal with this attitude

Rise above it you are better than they are.
Philipa:hugs:.

[jaleecd]

The remarks directed toward you, do not reflect the new diapensation or coventant established under Jesus. The new covenant Gods love toward His creation is given, without our being justified by any acts, or rituals or animal sacrificies proformed in the temple, it only requires us to admit that Christ shed His BLOOD for our sins, try to live a life that reflcts His goodness and mercy, and Do Not Judge anothers Heart. We are to accept Him, do the best we can, in living a life that does'nt distort Whom or What He stands for.
God don't make NO JUNK, and He surely didn't start with you or any of the Sisters trying to understand and live with gender/spirit they feel to truly be.:2c:

[Gillian]

Ahhh,,,, one of them, the world is full of hypocritical Christians, we all know them, they greet and meet you as an old friend, then drive past you when the sermon is over they alone in their car you walking in the rain, I am so sad for you these people are what is wrong with religion in general, bigots with narrow mind's who never lived are only alive.

I an not a church type but am deeply in my own way spiritual and live by a very strong code of morals I try never to cause hurt or upset intentionally despite the evils of the world surrounding our daily lives and try to do good when I can.

[Steph.TS]

I'm a Christian, and I have found myself increasingly disgusted by the behaviours of the christians in the church today, I almost find I have to seperate myself from the church and try to keep my faith true to God.

it's 1 thing to think CD'ing/transexualism is a sin but Christians seems to think that they can dictate and destroy those that do the 'big' sins, I mean it seems to me that christians are busy trying to make gay mariage illegal or keep it that way, Thing is these christians not only give Christianity a bad name, but they forget what a sin is. Sins are error we as humans do (as in errors in judgement or action) and the sin is between God, the sinner, and the victim if there is one no one else needs to be involved.

Assuming CD'ing/Transsexuality is a sin, what business is it of hers, she isn't involved she's being nosey she's butting in where she doesn't belong, and I'd suggest that's something she needs to talk to God about as Jesus said 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:3-5 (New International Version)

EDIT: I want to be absolutely clear, I don't like the behaviours of many christians out there, but I believe very strong in the God of the Bible, and I know I need him. I don't want people who are believers rejecting God because some people calling themselves Christian don't understand the teaching of their religion or don't care to follow them.

[Melody Moore]

This is the exact reason I wont have anything to do with any church ever again. All the mainstream churches are riddled with judgemental hypocrites who blatantly ignore or blasphemer the written word of the Bible & this is why I fell out with all of them.

For years it bothered me that I wasnt part of a Church then suddenly I found peace about this one day after finally realising that I didnt really need a Church to have a good, close & personal relationship with God. How this happened was I thought about what is a CHURCH?

For ages I struggled with this, because the Bible it tells us that WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. So the Bible is telling us right there that WE ARE THE CHURCH.. it even spells it out very loudly in the actual word CHURCH. When you remove both the CH's from the word what are you left with? You soon realise that U R THE CHURCH.

The Bible also warns us abut building alters & stone monuments & what do most Churches have? Alters & stone monuments which seems to fore-go everything else is some of these churches and they completely forget the needs of there fellow man. If these so called Christians think that being part of some elitist group with that same type of attitude is going to bring them salvation then they are in for a very rude shock there.

I dont find any shame or guilt for being the person I am today, I am true to myself, I love everyone, I dont judge & accept everyone for who they are with proper respect. I have total peace now in my heart & that is something that I am very happy & proud about. But I dont think for one second that I am any better than anyone else. I really believe now that I found the peace I always wanted & I am well on my way to salvation & my only advice to you Joanne is... Stay true to yourself. God will punish those that mistreat & abuse others like this woman has done to you. The Bible also gives us lots of warnings about being judgemental and also teaches us that 'Only God' & we, ourselves can truly know our own hearts - this is not for anyone else to ever try & judge. I believe you are a good person with your heart in the right place, don't let others try & make you feel any indifferent to that.

So God Bless you hun.... and many Hugs... Mel Xx

[Hope]

Yeah. I have, from members of my last congregation. They didn't even know I am trans. When people say crap like that to you it says much more about them than it does about you. Fu(# them.

[Veronica_Jean]

I agree with the sentiments of all of you regarding how these Christians act. I felt for a very long time that these were the only kind that existed, but I was wrong.

I have met many Christians where I work that while not agreeing with what I am doing, are loving, helpful, and sincere in the teachings from their church. They truly allowed me to see that there are Christians in this world that do follow the teachings of Christ.

I am sorry Joanne, and all the rest of you who have had to deal with these sanctimonious Christians that think they have the right to dictate how everyone else should live, despite their own shortcomings.

Veronica

[Chickhe]

You are hangin' with the wrong crowd. Surround yourself with people who will support you. Also, bake her some cookies and tell her even though she hates you, you love her and you hope she ends up in heaven ... :devil:

[Billijo49504]

I probably would be better off dead. Then I wouldn't have to put up with a mouthy 26 yr old kid that pregnant, and doesn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. They can't even feed themselves, so I get stuck being a food bank, my wifes idea. Today my wife was doing their laundry and she was on my internet connection. And she telling me off. The way I feel,I could just go start the car with the door shut. Sorry for venting on our thread, but I had to get it out..BJ
PS. and I'm trying to quit drinking. Last night was the first nightI remember going to bed.

[Jason+]

JoAnne and Billijo,

Neither of you are the person who needs any harm done to them in these situations. There has to be a better path to god than through people who would rather see someone commit suicide than find the path truly right for them.

Billijo if the moral, spiritual and financial investments you are making into your family are bringing only returns of pain, suffering and suicidal wishes it's time to rethink.

I wish the best for both of you,

Jason

[Faith_G]

Joanne, it makes me feel sick that someone would say something so potentially devastating to you. We as trans people often have these kinds of thoughts on our own, for someone to reinforce those thoughts is just evil. I am grateful that you are strong enough to know that she i wrong. :hugs:

My therapist remarked that I have a gift for finding the positive in things. I had to think about this episode for a long time before anything positive came to mind. At least you know exactly how she feels about you. It ain't much, but it's all I got...

Billiejo- You are not helping your daughter, you are enabling her. She needs to leave your house and stand on her own for her own good. It's going to be hard short term, but you and your wife have to push her out of the nest or she will never fly.

[BRANDYJ]

One more example of the destruction organized religion does to people. I am not and will not be led like a flock of mindless sheep. I have a brother to similar to that sick old lady. I believe there was a man named Jesus and I believe he wanted all people to respect, help and love one another. Clearly most so called Christian churches speak with very forked tongues. Christ was a good man, many of his followers are not... in my opinion. I thank God that long before Jesus there was the Great Mother Goddess.

[Jay Cee]

I suspect that there may be a whole lot of self hatred in that woman's head. While you don't need to spend any more time talking with her, you can forgive her and move on.

Or, if you want to look at it from another angle: "The best revenge is living well" :)

[AKAMichelle]

No - but I have felt that way before. She needs to get some perspective on life. How would she feel about somebody saying that about her.

[Beth-Lock]

It is a sad fact that very wicked people hide out in a lot of high minded organizations, and try and manipulate the beliefs of their group to suit their own evil. This happens too often in churches but of course can also be seen in politics. But evil is evil and you cannot believe in the message of such outbursts for a minute or take them to heart.

When I started to transition, I looked hard to find a local branch of the Metropolitan Church which is of course rainbow friendly. It turned out to be unnecessary, for many churches here are trans-friendly, and in the end I stayed in the church in which I had been brought up. They have been very supportive as well as accepting, and the minister has been trying to help me with my relatives who have issues with my transition, one of whom also goes to the church.

I am also not the only transperson in the congregation. When the other woman transitioned, they even had a special service for him to say goodbye to his male things and male life, after which he returned to the church after the holidays, as a woman. So my experience has turned out to be completely differernt, and more indicative of where the churches are heading in the future.

[Danni Bear]

JoAnne,

How anyone can profess to be a christian with that type attitude is a hypocrite. The Bible and the Quaren both teach to love your brother. It also says admonish them for rightious sake.Nowhere in any religion on this planet does it advocate that you wish harm on another. This was pure spite and hatred spewed from someone who hates theirself. It hurts I know to hear something like this from someone you've known for a long time. Accept an apology from a christian that wishes only the best for you.

May YOU live long and have many glorious days

:hugs: :hugs:

Danni Beard

[PortiaHoney]

It's interesting to read the different responses from different religions.

In the end it's all about the people. Some use their "religion" to adopt a "holier-than-thou" attitude and justify their stand based on their accepted interpretation of a book (and the various versions of a story) written a long time ago.

For a long time now, I have held the belief that there is a God and he lives in all of us and we are his temple. But, religion is a creation of man and because of this many attrocities have been perpetrated in His name. Many religions speak of acceptance and understanding, yet fail to demonstrate this dictum.

If you, as an individual, have found whatever it is you are seeking and you are happy with the story that is being delivered and you are a better person because of it - then I am so happy for for you. Religion, in all it's various forms, can be the basis for living a better life. Many can find comfort in knowing that there is a guide for living and it offers help and solace during times of need.

I just find it difficult to accept that people can turn caring and understanding into biggotry and prejudice. These people hold up their version of an ancient writing and say their ideals are the only correct way to interpret these writings and then use this to validate their horrible view of the world.

I look inside myself, ask myself if my views or actions will harm anybody else, if it's what I truly want, will my life be better for taking this action or viewpoint, and if I can do this without any feelings of guilt, then what can be so wrong about my decision to do this.

If everyone was to take this view, how much better would the world be? But, human nature being as it is, full of fear, the world is not so good. We have wars, famines, hate, and on a closer level, people wishing we would kill ourselves so they don't have to face the fact that there are people in this world who just want to be themselves and live peacefully in a manner which threatens their basic judgement of what it is to be male or female. We threaten a core belief they hold that you are either male or female and that cannot be changed and is not fluid. This, in turn, threatens everything else they hold to be unconditional truths. If, being male OR female is an unchangeable truth, someone who goes against this is flying against everything they hold as being true. Ignorance creates fear, fear creates hate, hatred for something they cannot understand. Something they don't want to understand. Knowledge is the key to overcoming this fear, but they have to be able to receive this knowledge and many are closed to this.

Of course, not everyone is closed off, and these are the people who are more accepting, organisations which are more tolerant and accepting. Enlightened people and communities. People don't have to like or dislike what we do, just let us be who we are.

However, people do not have a right to wish us ill, or harm, or even "death". What is this saying about the person making this threat? I, personally, feel sorry for them. My life is so much fuller than theirs will ever be because I am open to the whole world, not just a select part where I feel safe. I am happy for people to have opinions, but let them keep their opinions to themselves. I don't have a burning desire to get the whole world to transition between genders. And if they feel the need to express their feelings, I will let their comments wash over me. And, if I am lucky, and I have been, should they try to belittle me for what I am doing to others, then I hope as many people they try to force their opinions on make them feel as small as their world really is. I have been lucky to have really strong allies in my journey and any biggots that have tried to put forward their views have quickly been corrected. Some have actually managed to see past their fears and are now supportive of my journey.

Some enemies are really friends who just don't know it yet.

[Fab Karen]

If you are religious & many people in your church are that ignorant, try an MCC church or a unitarian one, where they don't ignore what Jesus taught.

[7sisters]

You're one up on her. There is nothing more destructive than hate, paranoia. Leave her alone. Remember your soul is more evolved than hers. No religion says to hate. But some people who supposedly subscribe to these religions ruin the religions name by hating. And all religions say the same thing... be kind and good to others.

[Stlalice]

JoAnne,

It saddens me to hear that you were treated so in your own church, but I'm not surprised by the behavior either. At the Metropolitan Community Church we hear stories of pain from many who come to us after being forced to leave their original faith communities because they were open and honest about being who and what they are. In some ways we are what one would call a "refugee church" where anyone is welcome to come in regardless of their appearance, who they love, or their gender. Indeed, we try to make everyone feel welcome and safe. " As you do unto the least of my children, so you do unto me." sums it up very well. There is also the line from our communion service to "come as you are, believing as you do, for this is God's table and all are welcome."

If the problem with people at your church continues or you otherwise feel the need to change feel free to try an MCC church. Since you have said in other posts that you are moving to Louisville Ky. I'm including a web site for the MCC there. http://mcclouisville.net/ and the main denomination web site. http://ufmcc.com/ :hugs::hugs:

[Empress Lainie]

It pains me that the so called devout people act more like devils than christians.

My life was destroyed by ONE PERSON with authority who from her church teachings HATED ME. And she did not even know me.

But I noticed that when i went to the Lutheran Church where an old pastor friend (old friend, young pastor) had changed to, he didn't recognize me, no one that I spoke to or him knew I was trans,until I asked to speak him after the others had left.

I saw a sign near the entrance that said this is a diversity church. When I told him who I had been he was totally accepting and interested.

Our Metropolitan Church has all of LGBT's on their board, and hold the annual Day of Remembrance service which I participate in.

The Southern Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentecostals, LDS, and the fundamentalists other than the foregoing are all people I want nothing to do with. Jehovan's Witness as a church is a joke, read their history on how they were actually founded by a nut who 3 times predicted the end of world and the coming of Christ because GOD told him, wonder which GOD that was. Like Scientology it is a completely scam fake church.

JoAnne, be like TEFLON and just let such comments roll back off of you. You don't deserve that. Anyone who makes comments like that is IGNORANT of the fact that GOD made us this way for a reason, but they will never have brains enough to learn.

[BreenaDion]

Joanna an the rest, I feal for you Ladies. Unlike myself I haven't been told such dedilitating remarks as yet. I am coming out soon an need help from therapist first. I am strong but weak. I have depression and had bad parenting in which "I Just Dont Care" it refers to myself and towards myself.
I was an unbatized protestant who got married to a catholic an later converted. After 20 yrs I hate that church an is bigotry an started going elsewhere with my wife an 2 kids. I am a decendant to Martin Luther the founder of the lurterian church . I find myself following in his footprints but not by design.

Point of this being I wasnt going to release it but You all have touched me in a profound way. I was trying to consider publishing it but im just plain broke.
Bio. last sunday the 19th of aug I was in chat with a lady who works at a protestant church who is in the charity section. She decides who get assistance to pay bills an such. She whent on an on about her judgementaly prejudice towards the disadvantage. This moved me into dispairity where it really hit home an deep within my consciosness a poem emerged . 2 lines I typed an later added 4 more. This affected me in a deep way an my GID therapist says its significant . I think it has a wide arrange of applications.
Clearly usefull towards all of us transgendered. I googled it an couldn't find it or similar.

So Im am releasing it to all my sisters an hope it does offer anything towards our plight as TG. My gift to all my sisters this day of aug 26th of 2010.

To Be Judged.
Judge me only afer you have worn my shoes.
Don't ever judge me because of the shoes I wear
I stand alone or with all of you
Because of you I stand tall an firm
I walk alone among you
Judge me correctly but be fair
Or you will stand in front of me at judgement day.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

I"m sorry that happened to you Joanne.

something similar was said to me and it leaves a scar.

the person who said that to you is nothing. you have to remember that. her hatred and small mindedness defines her. she knows nothing about you...

[PretzelGirl]

JoAnne, I am with Lori on this one. For all you have been through, you should be able to fall back on your pastor/priest for support. I would meet with him. I would discuss this event as he should be able to educate his church. Even further, church leaders are suppose to be community leaders. Since you find that you are seeing so much hate, he should know and take a leadership and educational role. Never mind that just having the church's counsel **should** be helpful to you personally.

[Valerie1973]

That woman dare to call herself a Christian? A real Christian would never ask of suicide. I will pray for you to make you peace with the Lord is what a real Christian would have said. Compasion.

We live in an institutionalized world where we were all programed since birth. We cder's have a gift, we can step out side the box.

God can only judge and condem, for he is loving father.

Bless you.- Valerie

[kellycan27]

I think i would have just simply replied.....Ladies first!

[Teri Jean]

JoAnne, I did not read the other responses because I am p****d enough when I hear these people say we should leave and do ourselves in. I had a "friend" make a simular comment and to that I handed him a dummy round for a rifle and said to him "here, if you think that way then you do it". He stood there in shocked aww not knowing how to respond. I then said "WWJD", a friend does not say this and if they are really following the teachings of Christ they will be more understanding and not condemning. JMO

[Inna]

Dreadful human mind can be when selfish reasons occupy thee
darkened heart and empty soul even Jesus can't help all
glorious ba*****s, religious assassins roam this world at their will
through their mouths spit and flem, through their eyes darkness fills

only hope salvation brings in your love to them you gleam
show them warmth and show them light, bring embrace of love to heart
let their lies flee onto wind and dissolve their hateful theme
this is love to them you bring and repair their broken dream.

Love you JoAnne

[Kaz]

Hi Joanne,

From the other side of the pond, it is just awful to hear of things like this and I know from previous threads that you are going through a lot.

There are a lot of really good people out there in all religions and all walks of life. There are also the bigots, and throughout history they have led persecution and religious war. We still see it today.

Walk away... "against stupidity, even the Gods labour in vain"... (Schiller).

:hugs:

[janelle]

Believe me dear, there are times that I think those i love would be better off if i was gone. But for someone else to say that...........how hateful. Where is that love thy neighbor as you love yourself.

Hugs

[AnonyMouse]

Good gravy. What kind of self-respecting Christian would ask another human being to kill themselves? I used to belong to a fundamentalist church, and while they will stare at you, refuse to speak to you, pray for you, and gossip about your sinfulness with the other Christians, none of them (that I know of) would ever suggest that you deserve to die. It makes me wonder if she ever considered the whole "love thy neighbor" bit - ever stopped to recognize the human soul within you. If you're a Christian who is more worried about your comfort than another person's salvation, you're doing it wrong.

[Jorja]

Yes JoAnne, I was told that many times when I was going through transition. Yes it was from people who I thought were good Christian people. Thoes were the times I decided I wasn't as screwed up as they were. I knew I was going to come out of transition as the new me and take the world by storm. Well, the storm fizzled but I did make it and I am so much a better person for it.
One of my favorite things to do on a Sunday morning is walk through the woods. I love to see the animals and all the leaves turning color. Who needs a brick and morter building to call it a church? Who needs a congregation of bitter, blinded, bigots. Stand tall and go forward sister. We will all be judged one day. That lady will be judged as well come judgement day.

[Melissa A.]

Stop banging your head against the wall that is that community and remove yourself. There is so much for you elsewhere. Picking up and moving isn't the easiest thing in the world, I know. But it can't be worse than the torture you continue to put yourself through. You're an intelligent, articulate proffessional with a genuinely sincere heart and mind who's life experience and influence could be so positive in so many other places but there. Reading what you have had to endure durring these past months breaks my heart. There are those out there who are waiting to embrace you. I know it takes some effort and some painful transition, but we're out here. Find us. Get outta there, sweetie.

Hugs,

Melissa:)

[Angel.Marie76]

I haven't yet been told to go jump off a cliff, but I have heard the stereotypical 'freak' and weirdo, etc. It's all a part of coming out. We have to understand that some people aren't going to accept us at face value, and look at us like a Darwin castoff. For the super-religious I hear mixed bags: Some congregations look at all things living as 'Gods creatures' and treat them as such. Others are so bigoted in their ways and have been preached the word of the 'white man's god'.. These are the hardcore ******s that can't even accept that Jebus was generally a dark/olive-skinned man (or so say the scientific historians). It makes sense of course, but apparently since this fellow died, he lost his suntan over the centuries. ;-)

Just keep your chin up and certainly continue to expect that there will always be haters out there.. it is just whether or not we choose to listen to them.

[CharleneT]

That is a terrible thing to say to another, but this world is full of crazies. You do seem to have more than your share in your small town though ! No one has ever said "go kill yourself...." to me, but I surely have had a lot of hateful things shouted my way. Especially by drunk young men on "game day" here (Big Ten school).




. . .It makes sense of course, but apparently since this fellow died, he lost his suntan over the centuries. ;-)

Just keep your chin up and certainly continue to expect that there will always be haters out there.. it is just whether or not we choose to listen to them.


I LOVE the way you put that .... lost his tan .... great !!

I agree with all that Angel said, especially that last line, words to live by :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Rianna Humble]

I happen to see a lady whom I knew from church and whom I have known along with her husband and son for over 40 years. I went up to her to say hello.

She told me to get away from her. She hated me for what I am doing. The world would be better off if you were dead. In fact, why don't you just commit suicide.

And this from a "professing Christian" woman. She sure is a fine example of Christian Love.

Jo-Anne,

I'm sorry that you have had to suffer this latest abuse from the mouth of a disciple of hatred.

It reminds me of a comment made after the assassination of an Israeli prime minister who was trying to establish some kind of peace with the Palestinians. The commentator said that what seems to unite so many religious fanatics is that they have dropped the three letter word from the commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill".

The Bible teaches that someone who speaks bitterly to another is as guilty as a person who commits murder.

I can only express my sorrow for the hurt that you have suffered and hope that you can overcome the hatred by showing yourself to be more forgiving than this self-styled christian woman.

[Mi$$ Despair]

If someone walked up to me and told me that I should off myself they would be in the ER removing a steel spike stilletto out there ass..:devil:

[larry]

funny how those who say they are Good Christians are so hateful

[rachael.davis]

There is an old joke that the good thing about a rattle snake biting you in the rear end is that you quickly learn who your real friends are and aren't

sorry you had to learn in such a horrid manner.

[Byanca]

This is a sociopath. I'd keep my distance. Press charges. This is worse then sexual harassment. I very much doubt that this behavior is legal.

[HairyBethCD]

And people wonder why I have no time for religion... Dreadful.

[Gerrijerry]

I truly hurt for you and understand how hurt you felt and feel from this.
Being so cold blooded is just wrong and there is no excuse to be that way. I truly hope you can move on past this because in our world she is not the only one who will say things like that. The closer the person is to you the more it hurts. I would like to say after being the way I am since a small child and now in my 60"s that I have not seen this before many times. I can't. Just try to understand that many people just can't except what they do not understand and will never try to understand.

[lisajane]

why don't you tell that you are already doing that by transitioning:tongueout

[tanyalynn51]

Jo Anne, this comes from some one who works in a Homeless ministry, so that I can work with the homeless for now. Some day, I hope for something that I dont have to hide who I am, but for now, I do know that I work for a place that, while it doesnt approve of our lifestyle, it definitely doesnt approve of someone like her. If she actually worked there, she would have been fired, with most of even the "normal" people helping her out the door. I know a lot of Churches (at least the Church themselves), that would never teach that, even if they are evangelical. Read Jn.8:1-11. I taught on it last night. I taught that there are times when there is something in the woman in all of us, and other times something of the Pharasees with the stones. But, you were the victim of a vicous attack that had nothing to do with God, The Bible, or real Christianity. Ill put it plainly- I have a Bachelor's in Theology, and have been in ministry for 7 years, and people like that witch will find out quick that they dont want to mess with me. Dont give up, you or my other brothers and sisters who are trying to find somewhere they are welcome. It just may be harder to find it someplaces than others.