Going out with my daughter in law

[TxKimberly]

My soon to be Daughter in law is celebrating her twenty first birthday this weekend in San Antonio by hanging out with my wifes cousins. Believe it or not, they intend to go to a "gay" bar and sing karaoke and I am seriously thinking about joining her.
There are a few catches though!

I know that the cousin has been told that I am a cross dresser by my wonderful mother in law, but I have never conformed it to him, let alone shown him. This would do both.
It's a bit uncomfortable with my wife. If she gets left behind she's of course not gonna be happy. If she goes, she doesn't like hanging out with me dressed.
If I don't go as Kim to try and make her happy, I will be miserable and probably resent the hell outta her for it.
Odds are good that at some point in the visit, my daughter is going to meet Kim if my wife joins us for the trip to San Antonio. While she does know about me now, I'm not sure how I feel about her actually seeing me.


I'm just not sure what to do! Sigh . . .

[kimdl93]

Hmmmm, that's a dilemma. My CD side says, go for it girl. The wife's cousin - I don't know...doesn't seem like there's much reason to hide. How might that whole situation with your wife play out? You can't leave her behind - that would probably prejudice her even more against Kimberly. I know how important it is to accomodate our wives, but I also know that feeling of resentment can linger long after. Is there any way to do both? I mean, your wife has seen you, but she doesn't have to "hang" with you at the gay bar...but maybe if your wife's cousin can deal with it, she'll loosen up a little too. That's just a hope...

As for the daughter - I think its adding on too many levels of complexity to let her meet Kim...until your wife is more fully on board. Can you dress somewhere else and meet the rest of the group at the bar?

[TxKimberly]

. . . As for the daughter - I think its adding on too many levels of complexity to let her meet Kim...until your wife is more fully on board. Can you dress somewhere else and meet the rest of the group at the bar?

Yeah, my intent would be to get a hotel in the area, and my daugther would more than likely be babysat by my cousins daughter. Thing is, they are likely to drive as her wife doesn't drink, so it has potential for my daughter coming face to face with me while dressed. Not a given, but the potential is there.

[AKAMichelle]

Your life sure is taking a turn for the complicated. The way that I have messed up my life, I am going to refrain from giving advice on this. Choose Wisely as the old knight says in Indiana Jones movie.

[Amanda22]

Kimberly, my first reaction is that the weekend is about your daughter-in-law and I'd be hesitant to take the focus off of her. The 21st birthday is a big one. I don't mean to rain on your parade. I just fear this has a chance to make the weekend about you in a way you won't like. Of course, I may be totally off base; I can only fill in the blanks from your description in your post. Can you plan another outing with your daughter-in-law later on, in a dressed mode? That'd possibly make this weekend bearable by giving you something to look forward to.

[Tasha McIntyre]

Hi Kimberly,

Sorry to say, but I think Matt should go this time......and try to not be miserable as it is a pretty major event for your daughter in law. I'm also thinking that you really don't want to upset your wife.

I agree with Amanda, if your daughter in law is receptive, you could plan a girls night out as a follow up.


Choose Wisely as the old knight says in Indiana Jones movie.

Unlike that movie scene, at least you won't turn to dust if you choose poorly.

Hope you all have a great time whichever way you choose.

Tash :)

[Holly]

Kimberly, has your future DIL specifically requested that Kim join the 21st birthday celebration? If not. I think I would pass. Even if she has, I might consider declining. The day is meant to be a celebration of achieving a milestone in her life, not a coming out party for you. If she truly wants to meet Kim, suggest another time when you can just go out and have fun without the need to involve other family members.

[sandra-leigh]

You recently had a thread about how you were trying to concentrate more on your customers and less on your dressing. Do you resent your customers because you cannot dress while you are working? For the purpose of something like this, a limited time event with your family, your wife is your "customer".

[Nicole Erin]

Ahh, how peaceful it is to be single and not have to worry about inlaws, unapproving spouse, kids, etc...

[bianca66]

I am with most of the gals that say the weekend is about the daughter-in-law...Also the wife thingy and dealing with her cousin about you being dressed would seem like a nightmare for her possibly....Sounds tricky/messy.

[Chickhe]

If it were me and not knowing all the facts, I would wait for the girl's stag party. There are too many variables and may upset your wife and you might become the life of the birthday party either making or breaking it. If your future daughter in-law wants to see you dressed up, why not do a separate outting with her and your son? I'm a little biased about birthdays, since they can be a stressful event if too much is going on and if you don't have a good time, your son and daugher in law will feel bad too...

[Kim_Bitzflick]

Another option is to not go at all.

[Sally24]

I would say go for it with 1 caveat.... I know your wife is not too happy about it. Just how unhappy would she be? Is it a big thing or only a minor annoyance? I wouldn't push it if it's a big deal. But otherwise it sounds like a fun time. If you want to keep it low profile, just meet your in-law there and can introduce you to others any way she is comfortable with.

I wouldn't worry about the little critter. She's bound to ask to see you "dress up" soon anyway.

[Tommie Rae]

I have to agree with a lot of the opinions here. This is about your daughter-in-law. Go as Matt, sing karaoke, have a great time with the new DIL, show your wife and cousin that you can have a good time no matter where you are, no matter what you look like. There is plenty of time for Kimberly to be part of the fun in the future. Welcome the new daughter-in-law to the family the way she is going to see you most of the time.

[DaphneGrey]

I have to agree with most here. It is your daughter in laws day. And your wife wouldn't like the idea so don't. Also just because someone is ok with knowing does not mean they want participation. I have lots of caring and genuine support from many friends and family members who are not crazy about seeing me as Daphne. It sucks sometimes but those are the breaks. Honor your daughter in laws milestone and respect your wife's boundries. So many people on this site are envious of you and all of the opportunities you have to express yourself. Be thankful your very lucky! More than most I dare say.

Just my two cents.

[Gerrijerry]

Since I follow many of your post I know that you have many times done what many drean they could do. Get to be who you feel you are. I agree with those that say. This is the wrong time for you to go out dressed. Why even go there knowing someone will get upset. Just have the best time you can in male mode. Then maybe in the future you can see when it is time to come out to the family one or two at a time. There is no way anything good can come out of this party if you dress when it is totally about someone else. You are above that sort of thing and already know how it will effect others. We all I am sure, everyone here, support you, but at the same time know one wants you to hurt others directly or indirectly you are just to nice a person to do that.

[kimmy p]

Kim, I do not mean to upset you in any way. So saying, let your male self go this time if your wife wants to go. You have many adventures as Kim, and a night out with your wife as her husband shouldn't be considered a terrible thing. And it will will save you grief in the future. My .02

[Stephanie Miller]

Just my feelings but......
First commitments first.
Married the wife before you had an in-law.
Why would you resent anyone for having their own feelings? Sorry for yourself, yes. Resentful? Nah.
Matt should go and have fun this time. Just schedule for the two of you to go again another time.

[Babeba]

There are an awful lot of caveats there for Kimberly to go! I'm not sure whether calling your MIL 'wonderful' is serious or sarcastic, and that might change my answer a little (if she's likely been negative about it, it may be weird for your wife's cousins to see Kimberly without learning more about the concept yet). Above all, if things get an undercurrent of weirdness, your DIL will probably get that vibe and above all, I don't think you'd want to ruin it for her.

I'd say go in drab, but that doesn't mean you can't have fun with it! Heck, you could sing 'Man, I feel like a woman', 'Lola', or 'You Make Me Feel (Like a Natural Woman)' if you wanted to make a token gesture. (I'm sure the rest of you gals could come up with less cheesy suggestions, too!)

[Cassiecd]

Wow Kim, look at all the love you are getting here! It certainly is a pickle!

My gut impression is that part of being a cd with an accepting wife is meeting her needs and keeping her comfortable with the cd thing. Do what is best for your loving wife and daughter in law I say! Talk to her and share feelings.

p.s. when are you going to fly with me again?

[kimdl93]

My view was definately in the minority - which is ok, those advising against this event made some good points. But I like Cassie's suggestion - why not ask. It may be that your Daughter In Law wants Kimberly to be present at the party.

[JenniferB]

Kimberly, my first reaction is that the weekend is about your daughter-in-law and I'd be hesitant to take the focus off of her. The 21st birthday is a big one. I don't mean to rain on your parade. I just fear this has a chance to make the weekend about you in a way you won't like.
I agree with this. I hate to say it, but this whole thing might backfire on you in a big way.
Proceed with caution

[TxKimberly]

Kimberly, my first reaction is that the weekend is about your daughter-in-law and I'd be hesitant to take the focus off of her. The 21st birthday is a big one. I don't mean to rain on your parade. . . .

I couldn't agree more that this should be the first thought to run across my mind. The catch is that it was HER that invited me. :)

[Catina]

REF Cassiecd: "My gut impression is that part of being a cd with an accepting wife is meeting her needs and keeping her comfortable with the cd thing. Do what is best for your loving wife and daughter in law I say! Talk to her and share feelings."

Hi Kimberly,
Cassiecd has expressed my thoughts on this which I agree. Take care, Catina

[sandra-leigh]

The catch is that it was HER that invited me. :)

Was she talking to HIM or HER at the time?

[kimdl93]

I couldn't agree more that this should be the first thought to run across my mind. The catch is that it was HER that invited me. :)

I kinda wondered about this - and I think it sheds a different light on things. Either way you go - have fun!

[Megan70]

I'm just not sure what to do! Sigh . . .

Here's what ya do sweetie, to satisfy both sides of the coin, not shake up the family too much the first viewing and comprise, comprise.!
Go as Kim .dressed to the nines from the NECK DOWN and good old male self, plain no butter or seasoning on top. Now that would attract attention.
Next time the full Monty... erh... but with girly clothes, don't ya know.

Megan

[BRANDYJ]

Hi Kim, I might have missed you telling us how things went with your wife when she found out you told your daughter...That is IF you told her and IF you updated that thread. But I want to give my honest opinion on this one. So here goes. First, your wife should not be left out to stay at home. And if she does not like being out with you dressed and would rather stay home then be out with you as Kim, I'd take this opportunity to let her know that her happiness is important top you and I'd want her to go and not stay home. So there fore, I'd give up the idea of dressing for that special occasion for your soon to be daughter in-law. Damn girl, you go anywhere and everywhere as Kim, can't you give up one night for your wife's sake? There will be other times. Let the focus be on the birthday girl and not about you.
As for your daughter seeing you dressed...That would not happen for me at her age. Knowing is one thing, but seeing her dad dressed is another. Please don't let this pink fog make you selfish when it comes to your wife. Hey, that's my opinion but I'm still a big Kimberly fan. I hope you go as your wife's husband and show her a good time out with your soon to be daughter in-law. Pushing the envelope about this one night and with your daughter could have long range negative results. On the other hand, if you go with your wife, you could win brownie points that may serve you well later on.

Originally Posted by TxKimberly
I couldn't agree more that this should be the first thought to run across my mind. The catch is that it was HER that invited me.


I kinda wondered about this - and I think it sheds a different light on things. Either way you go - have fun!

OK, so she invited you. But did she expressly ask Kimberly or your male side? And if she knew it might hurt your wife, would she still want Kim to come?

[MsJanessa]

Well your question answers itself---your wife would find it uncomfortable and your're not sure how your future daughter in law would feel about it---and it appears from the question she didn't ask you to go dressed--what do you think the smart considerate thing to do would be?--one that would keep peace in the family and not push the envelope too far? Besides it's only one night and you can go there anytime you want dressed and alone or with others who are dressed and comfortable being that way----one night out dressed as a male shouldn't make you that unhappy

[JenniferB]

Damn girl, you go anywhere and everywhere as Kim, can't you give up one night for your wife's sake? There will be other times. Let the focus be on the birthday girl and not about you.

Amen, You nailed it.
This is not the right night to CD.

[Sarah Doepner]

You are quite the singer already, just go as Matt and sing them under the table. The next morning have Kim take the young lady out for a nice breakfast and maybe a little shopping.

[TxKimberly]

Here's what ya do sweetie, to satisfy both sides of the coin, not shake up the family too much the first viewing and comprise, comprise.!
Go as Kim .dressed to the nines from the NECK DOWN and good old male self, plain no butter or seasoning on top. Now that would attract attention.
Next time the full Monty... erh... but with girly clothes, don't ya know.

Megan

That sounds like a wonderful way to traumatize them for life


Originally Posted by TxKimberly
I couldn't agree more that this should be the first thought to run across my mind. The catch is that it was HER that invited me.



OK, so she invited you. But did she expressly ask Kimberly or your male side? And if she knew it might hurt your wife, would she still want Kim to come?


You would have to know this girl to understand. She is VERY open minded and kind of "edgy" (dont know if that is a word or not). She has made it clear over and over that she wants to see "Kim", and she made it clear that it was "Kim" she wanted to go the club with that night. She and I have gone shopping together, she has been encouraging me to experiment more with my makeup, and she has even made several comments on my flickr page.
Still, despite the fact that she did specifically ask "Kim" to go with her, I am starting to lean towards not doing it. As most people have pointed out, it is her special birthday, and even though she specifically asked for "Kim", I'm thinking she may not realize how that will affect her night. Much of the night would be spent talking about me instead of her. Unless she really pushes the issue (and if you knew her you would understand there is a good chance she will) I think I'm probably not gonna do it.

[TGMarla]

Kimberly, although this opportunity comes close to the mark, it still misses it. Don't cause a problem for selfish opportunistic reasons. Sooner or later, the right circumstances will arise, and you can indulge yourself then. Don't force it this time. It's bad karma, and it's just not quite right. Why make a choice between making your wife unhappy, making you unhappy, or causing unnecessary strife if the choice to avoid all of the above exists?

Wait, watch, and be patient. Your correct opportunity will come along.

[S. Lisa Smith]

Kimberly, although this opportunity comes close to the mark, it still misses it. Don't cause a problem for selfish opportunistic reasons. Sooner or later, the right circumstances will arise, and you can indulge yourself then. Don't force it this time. It's bad karma, and it's just not quite right. Why make a choice between making your wife unhappy, making you unhappy, or causing unnecessary strife if the choice to avoid all of the above exists?

Wait, watch, and be patient. Your correct opportunity will come along. I have to agree with those who have said to let Kim stay home that night.

[Leslie Langford]

Just to throw a "red herring" into the discussion - while my gut tells me to agree with the majority here and that it is "Matt" who should go with the group as opposed to "Kimberly" - it still begs the question of why necessarily a gay karaoke bar when there are presumably plenty of "straight" ones around as well?

O.K., extrapolating here - "edgy" future DIL / knows of, has met, and approves of "Kim" / has suggested going to a gay karaoke bar and has specifically asked "Kim" to accompany the gang - well, unless there is some sort of weird GG-speak code being invoked here which is going straight over our collective XY chromosome-impaired male brains, then the DIL's intentions seem pretty clear - to me, at least. So maybe it's no more complicated than her just wanting to have a good, old edgy - yet low-key - and fun celebration with an eclectic group of friends and relatives to commemorate her 21st birthday, rather than turning it into a narcissistic "It's ALL about me" orgy that the typical Bridezilla descends into when it comes to a similarly momentous milestone in her life like a wedding.

And the other question which comes to mind is that even if "Matt" decides to go in boy mode in the end in deference to his wife - would she have a similar hang-up about going to a gay bar and seeing men canoodling openly with each other as she likely would by seeing "Matt" in "Kimberly" mode in a public setting? So maybe it's best if the wife doesn't go no matter how you look at it in this particular instance.

[gabe]

I vote for you to stay miserable and keep the she-who-must-be-obeyed happy. It is good for your health.

[Sally24]

She is VERY open minded and kind of "edgy" (dont know if that is a word or not). She has made it clear over and over that she wants to see "Kim", and she made it clear that it was "Kim" she wanted to go the club with that night.

Looks like I'm in the minority here. It's HER 21st birthday.....She wants Kim there....... If your wife is uncomfortable with that, have your sister in-law whisper in her ear. It really is all about her and her party. Let her have it her way so she'll be happy.

From our talks and your posts I know your wife gets it her way MOST of the time. That is not a comprimise! You should get your share of choices. I know it's not the conservative thing to do, but when was I ever accused of being conservative?! Good luck and enjoy the party!

[Jennifer Marie P.]

Go to your daughter in law birthday as yourself you dont want to make your wife mad.There will be other times you can go as Kim.

[Rhonda Jean]

Kim,
First of all I'd like to tell you that I read ALL your posts and your adventures are certainly one of the highlights of this board. I go out a lot, and have for my entire adult life (and then some!), but I'm nowhere near your level. The fact that you're so out and so accepted by your future DIL is something I can't even comprenend. That alone makes my opinion pretty worthless. That fact won't stop me from offering it, though!

Without going through a big detailed speculation, it seems pretty obvious that the only one who doesn't want you to go as Kim, and for whom your going as Kim would make this event worse and not better is your wife. I think the potential for long term consequences is likely. On this I can speak from some experience. Not going to go into those experiences right now, just believe me.

There are many similarities between your relationship with your wife and the relationship I HAD with mine, who is now my EX!
Even having never met you, I strongly suspect that you've been out so often for so long and in so many different situations that you change in ways that you don't even realize. I'd be willing to bet that especially in such a social and celebratory environment that you project an unmistakeable vibe of actually being a WOMAN. In these situations, the clothes are just the tip of the iceberg, and you probably don't even realize it. I know I didn't/don't. But to everybody else it couln't be more obvious. It may come as a shock to everyone, not just your wife. This is different than seeing pictures, different than hearing about it, different than going shopping or out to dinner. I don't think this'll be Matt wearing women's clothes. I think this'll be Kim the GIRL. A few dirinks, some good fun, and the veil will be off. From there there's no turning back. The veil will have been lifted, and there's no putting it back. You'll never convince anyone who sees you this way that you're just a guy who likes to wear women't clothes sometimes, even if you're convinced that that's what you are. On this I can speak with some knowledge. It's not just about that one night. This one will stick with you forever.

Please let us know what you decide and how it goes. Selfishly, I hope you go a Kim, without any of the male-born inhibitions! That'd certainly make the best story. Not sure that'd be the best thing for Kim or Matt, though.

[Lorileah]

wow, I would say divide Kimberly in half it is what Solomon would do.

Gut instinct. Make mama happy. Honest answer, you can't please every one so you got to please yourself (heard that is a song once). How do we convince the wife that Kim is just a great part of you and that it will be a blast if she'll let it be? It would really be a kick in the pants, you are unlikely to meet the pastor at the bar. These places are loud and crazy. The patrons won't care one way or the other. The water is only cold for a minute and then you get used to it. I really don't have a pat answer but I certainly hope that the wife can try and see how much fun it would be. Hey, this is the "daughter" she is hopefully going to be shopping, making Thanksgiving dinner, celebrating the new grandchild forever with (now that's a sentence you will never see again).

I know that if Matt goes he will be unhappy for a little while but I also know he will probably just kick it in gear and have a blast too. Maybe more a scale 7.5 blast instead of a 9.4 if Kim went but still a blast because he really likes his future DIL and he wants to see her have a good time but he loves his wife and really wants to see her enjoy the evening too.

[Emily Ann Brown]

Err on the side of caution. Then you are covered .

Em

[AmiFL]

Keep the peace at home and go out in drab...... have fun celebrate your daughter in laws birthday..... then when the dust settles have a girls night out with the two of you.

[kimdl93]

Keep the peace at home and go out in drab...... have fun celebrate your daughter in laws birthday..... then when the dust settles have a girls night out with the two of you.

This seems like the safest alternative. Either way, have fun!

[Fab Karen]

Your daughter has already seen you in pics, so it wouldn't be a shock for her. If your cousin knows about you, and would be cool hanging at a gay club as well, don't think that's a problem.
If you have to compromise, your wife should compromise in some way as well, or it's an unequal relationship. ( this is more a generic statement for everyone in such a relationship )

I just don't get wives/gf's who have a problem with it. If he's not looking for "action on the side" & is loving & gives plenty of time as your man, what's the problem?



I'd say go in drab, but that doesn't mean you can't have fun with it! Heck, you could sing 'Man, I feel like a woman', 'Lola', or 'You Make Me Feel (Like a Natural Woman)' if you wanted to make a token gesture. (I'm sure the rest of you gals could come up with less cheesy suggestions, too!)
Whoa, if Kim's wife was there, Kim would be DEAD MEAT if she did that.:heehee:

[TxKimberly]

I think I've come up with the perfect answer! Shoot the damn wife, then go have a good time. It's a win-win!

I am of course teasing. I told the DIL last night that I wont be going and told her why. The call is made.

I thank everyone for your input and DO appreciate it! :D

[Fab Karen]

I think I've come up with the perfect answer! Shoot the damn wife, then go have a good time. It's a win-win!

:heehee: No no no, you just posted EVIDENCE of premeditated. Think when you plan these things...:D

[TxKimberly]

:heehee: No no no, you just posted EVIDENCE of premeditated. Think when you plan these things...:D

DAMN IT! I KNEW I was missing something!

[Leslie Langford]

I think I've come up with the perfect answer! Shoot the damn wife, then go have a good time. It's a win-win!

I am of course teasing. I told the DIL last night that I wont be going and told her why. The call is made.

I thank everyone for your input and DO appreciate it! :D

Won't be going as "Kimberly", or won't be going at all...? And how did the DIL react? Was there a counter-offer to have another GNO with Kimberly some time in the future? Inquiring minds want to know :D:devil:.

If you won't be going to the karaoke bar at all, then you'd be following in the footsteps of the little boy who really, really wanted a new bike for Christmas, but when asked by his Grandma what his fondest wish was, replied that although a new bicycle would have been nice, he decided to wish for world peace instead. You guessed it - he got the best d%mned bicycle money could buy from Grandma.

Sounds as if you "paid it forward" with your astute decision (but then again, maybe you're still in the doghouse over the "revealing Kimberly to your young daughter" episode, and penance is still the order of the day :doh::sad:).

Either way, you've likely redeemed yourself by bowing out of this visit to the karaoke bar in Kimberly mode and in the process made Momma very happy, not to mention rendering your own life considerably more tolerable in the process. And again, bonus points if you didn't go at all...

No doubt, it will only be a matter of time now before you will be rewarded with your own version of the shiny new bicycle for having toed the line. Good things happen to those who are patient and can wait :daydreaming:.

[BRANDYJ]

Kim, I am happy you came to this decision. But I wonder why you won't go as Matt and take your wife with you. Sure, you might be a little disappointed, but then again, you could be a hero in your wife's eyes. No doubt your future DIL would want you both there.

[Tina B.]

Good call, you know it's not about the DIL at all, it's about who you go home with at the end of the night, and it's a little soon to be pushing anymore of her buttons I would think. I know it's hard to see through a pink fog, but sometimes we just have to try!
Tina B.

[Margot]

I agree with the others. Let it go for now. Go to the party in drab and have a good time with your family. If your future daughter-in-law wonders why you came as a male just tell her it was in consideration of her. This should get you more brownie points.
Have fun!!!
Margot

[Chari]

IMO, you have made the wisest choice in this situation for all concerned. Please do make a date with your DIL for a belated 21st birthday gift of "girls night out" in a few weeks and then be all the "Kim" you can be! Be sure to take pics & give us the debriefing of that event!

[Angie G]

If it's going to upset you or you wife that much however it plays out maybe you should not go. Talk it over with you wife As I see it it's the only wat everyone will be somewhat happy.:hugs:
Angie

[Angie G]

If it's going to upset you or you wife that much however it plays out maybe you should not go. Talk it over with you wife As I see it it's the only way everyone will be somewhat happy

[Michaella]

[QUOTE=TxKimberly;2265286]I think I've come up with the perfect answer! Shoot the damn wife, then go have a good time. It's a win-win!

I am of course teasing.

~~~

I have to say this: considering the appalling violence out there towards women, that "tease" is in very poor taste.

Michaella

[Tora]

You are spending too much time in Detroit, (ok corral). Keep the Wife, keep the other family in the Dark. Take the DIL shopping and to lunch. Lots of good advise, to get you out of this mine field. Lots of loyal fans. Good luck.

Tora

[TxKimberly]

I have to say this: considering the appalling violence out there towards women, that "tease" is in very poor taste.

Michaella



One thing I've learned after more than 15 years of playing on the internet: There are so many people out there, that no matter what you say, your gonna piss someone off. Apparently it's you today.

This all turns out to be a moot point because I just got word that my DIL just wrecked her van. Her baby daughter is OK, but the DIL has a broken wrist and two broken fingers. They had to spend all of the birthday money I gave her to get the wreck towed home. It now looks unlikely that ANYONE is going out for her birthday. Wow that sucks for your 21st but don't know what else I can do. Out of cars and out of money . . .

[Lorileah]

sorry to hear about he accident. Good to hear the baby is OK . Sorry to hear your DIL broke her wrist. Good to hear that was the worst. Sorry to hear you had to change plans....but you know another chance will come.

[Starling]

Holy smokes, Kim! I'm sorry to hear about your DIL's wreck. On top of the shock and the physical trauma is a lot of just plain expense and bother--but everyone's walking, at least.

Are you going to throw her a consolation party at home? I know your sound equipment is probably better than the bar's.

:sad: Lallie

[Amanda22]

So sorry to hear of this accident. I'm thankful everyone is OK, even with your daughter-in-law having a broken wrist. Hopefully, it will heal fully.

[Leslie Langford]

Sorry to hear about the DIL's bad fortune, Kim, but at least no one was seriously hurt, and the van can always be replaced.

It just goes to show yet again that one can make all the plans in the world for the future and take all possible precautions to take control of one's life to avoid having things go off the rails, and then - just when you're not looking - "life" happens and throws us a curve-ball. Murphy's Law, or as some would say, "Life's a b*tch, and then you die." But at least you and your DIL can regroup and have your GNO some other time when she is all healed up again. Plus, you'll another thing to add to the family lore for when you play the "Remember When" game and the topic of her 21st birthday comes up again :eek::doh::daydreaming::heehee:.