out yourselfe for the sister hood???

[Wendy me]

if you were tired of aurguing or listing to a closed minded person going on abought crossdressers would you out your selfe??? even though you know it might not be good???? would you do it for all our sisters ????

i did this past year to a close freind who in his mind crossdressers and child molesters were the same .... with a not bad out come ... no more was ever said but you could have nocked him over with a feather ....so how abought you???

[Adrianne]

I don't know, i hope i am never put in that place but we see how i would handle it if it ever happened.

[JocelynG]

You post some good questions Wendy. I think that if it was bad enough like the child molester thing then I would. If not then I might just support the issue unless I was asked outright in which case I wouldn't lie

[Julie]

I would educate him but I doubt I'd out myself to shut him up. Maybe if the circumstances were just right but after what I've experienced so far from being outed, it just isn't worth it.

[thawngPwincess]

did mypost get deleted?
haha
:(

[Priscilla1018]

Hey Sis,

I really don't know how I would react.It would depend on the circumstances,If someone is being picked on,yes.If someone is making general BS statements,probably not unless they really piss me off.

[Jenny Beth]

I doubt I'd out myself because of an argument with someone who had their head up where the sun don't shine but I'd make a point that they were narrow minded and didn't know what they were talking about.

[Lauren_T]

... i did this past year to a close freind who in his mind crossdressers and child molesters were the same .... It's your life to live, Wendy, but personally: a) I do my best to avoid the kind of people who display that kind of thinking, which has to show through in other ways, making 'em not-too-hard to avoid, and no way would I befriend them, and b) if someone already a close friend of mine came out w/ a statement like that, they wouldn't be close - or a friend - much longer... I don't suffer fools, gladly or elsewise.

But in general, trying to change one idiot's mind wouldn't be worth the potential blowback, not for me. :cool:

[ChristineRenee]

Like Julie M...I'd probably try to educate them...but out myself to them...I really doubt it. I don't think it would be worth it and who needs the grief that they would give you anyway.

[thawngPwincess]

whatwould you say to educate them?

[Rachael Warren]

Hi Wendy, I think that for me I would, but for my family I couldn't, I'll remain in my box, it isn't worth to agrovation.

I don't tolorate fools, and that includes small minded people.

Hugs, Rachael. :)

[parris james]

you've done nothing when you've bested a fool. Unless it was a pysical attack then ofcourse I would end it in a hurry

[Lisa Golightly]

Oh, I'm happy to tell anyone who'll listen. I used to be really uptight about it, but I've mellowed with age. If I heard someone banging on I'd tell them. It's amazing how often after the bomb is dropped that they come up with tales like 'I knew a transthing once... lovely chap'... lol... These days I think everyone knows what I am, but as I'm naturally shy they all seem not to be that bothered about me.

I find that a lack of understanding of what being TS means more irksome. It is hard to explain the difference to someone who considers we're all drag queens... *sigh* 'No I don't do lipsynch on a Saturday night... No it's not a sex thing... Oh, for goodness sake just drink your beer and talk football or something!' :)

[Tristen Cox]

Not for the sake of getting ripped into by a couple rednecks per se. If I was going to do something for us it would have to be big and be for the right audience.

You know like live television :D


NOT Jerry Springer!!!!!!

[Wendy me]

Not for the sake of getting ripped into by a couple rednecks per se. If I was going to do something for us it would have to be big and be for the .
right audience
You know like live television :D


NOT Jerry Springer!!!!!!


sometimes something "big" starts off as something we never thought it would
be .... how do you change things ???? with the massess ??? or prehaps veary simpley the way we hear so much right here on our little forum .... " one small step at a time"... yet we want to yell it to all ..... from a darkend closet or room with shades drawn .... our muffled words no one will hear .... so in all thoughts of getting the message out... wait for the right time and place and right audience.... and that time might never come.... but one person telling one outher person ... theres one more that gets it.... and sisters stop and think how manny of us are out there??? alone / together we are the voice that reaches the right audience... television be real ... ok fansty island we don't live on .... think abought it how do you get on television ??? let alone to talk abought our little "hobby" no when it comes down to it we must plant our feet frimly down and do what has to be done when we must .....

oh yes i know that we all got this person or that groupe that can't ever know abought us ... but yes when i outed myselfe to my best freind ...( a red neck hunting and fishing buddy) i knew that right wrong or indrefferent it had to be done ....

ok now i will stop this little rant ... sorry but it gets me so worked up to see people want something in life but wait for outhers to do it , or give it to them....speak up and be heard......

[Lauren_T]

I actually agree, Wendy, it's just...

Changing one mind at a time (seems to me, YMMV) might be worth it if it didn't stop w/ that one person. I mean. I'd maybe set someone straight if they were apt to pass their new insight on to others at some point. But do you really think your redneck buddy's now gonna go around evangelising for The Cause? Think he'll go around telling others how the scales have dropped from his eyes, that CDs are actually regular people, how wrong he was? Rednecks w/ bigoted attitudes are not very quick to run about telling people they were wrong!
So, you might have changed his mind, but unfortunately it stops right there w/ him. He's not gonna share his newfound enlightenment with others, so why bother, is my point... :confused:

_____
PS One at a time, it's gonna time a while to go through 6,000,000,000 people. If we concentrate on changing the minds of people who are in a position, and of an inclination, to change others minds, to 'pass it on' as I mentioned, then the risks are worth it...

[Tristen Cox]

it gets me so worked up to see people want something in life but wait for outhers to do it , or give it to them....speak up and be heard......

If you've paid attention to my posts Wendy you'd see I personally do not 'want this' like you say. I'm not waiting for anyone to give me anything. No one ever has. However you asked if I would do something for our community, to that I answer yes.

[Wendy me]

I actually agree, Wendy, it's just...

Changing one mind at a time (seems to me, YMMV) might be worth it if it didn't stop w/ that one person. I mean. I'd maybe set someone straight if they were apt to pass their new insight on to others at some point. But do you really think your redneck buddy's now gonna go around evangelising for The Cause? Think he'll go around telling others how the scales have dropped from his eyes, that CDs are actually regular people, how wrong he was? Rednecks w/ bigoted attitudes are not very quick to run about telling people they were wrong!
So, you might have changed his mind, but unfortunately it stops right there w/ him. He's not gonna share his newfound enlightenment with others, so why bother, is my point... :confused:

_____
PS One at a time, it's gonna time a while to go through 6,000,000,000 people. If we concentrate on changing the minds of people who are in a position, and of an inclination, to change others minds, to 'pass it on' as I mentioned, then the risks are worth it...

so what your saying is do nouthing say nouthing ???? then what ???? lock the closet??? and hide out and complane abought what can never be??? i say not ... one is twice the amount as none.... risks worth it??? pass it on to outhers that can change peoples minds ???? who ????? when ???? were????

[Lauren_T]

... pass it on to outhers that can change peoples minds ???? who ????? when ???? were????

OK, OK!

NOW you've done it!

If my pain-in-the-ass employer doesn't have me steppin' & fetchin' all day (I'm on call 24/7, literally), later on I'll share w/ all an idea for improving our collective image.

How's that? :D

[Wendy me]

If you've paid attention to my posts Wendy you'd see I personally do not 'want this' like you say. I'm not waiting for anyone to give me anything. No one ever has. However you asked if I would do something for our community, to that I answer yes.


tristen thats what i do is pay attention... look sister i was not singling anyone out and girlfreind def. not you... and i would not say your looking for that free ride... so please don't miss understand me sometimes i am missunderstood my ways are not always the best way but ... my intent is not to like just say what is we all like to hear but rather shock people into thinking ...... once the brain is opened even by shock we can open our selefs to were we want or need to be... when we do start to react to outhers then we do and say things when and were thay need or so we feel need to be said ....

[Tristen Cox]

I know Wendy;) And I'm impressed how much you've changed for the better since you came here. I hear the pissing and moaning too and as long as it is only amongst ourselves it doesn't change anything for us in the outside world. That's why I would have no problem doing my part. All I was saying is I am happy doing this myself(not to be selfish) so I don't go looking to out myself on purpose. I don't really care who finds out what, although I'd like them to find out in a positive way and I'm not all that sure the rest of the world would get that impression from me. But still I'll try anything. :)

[Katie Ashe]

Know myself I would come out just to shut them up. I would call the 4 corners and check the Neckronomical and all...I mean come out with fire and flames :mad: Casting spells of wind storms and all... Sorry. Yes.

I have grown to tolerate people like that, and it's not right. They are entitled to there own opinion, but when it hurts someones feeling, something has to be said.

They should have Exorcism's for Stupidity!

[Wendy me]

see in my nature call it a curse or a blessing i am out spoken... two ways people think abought me is thay love me or hate me ....it's all good because eather way i will leave a lasting impression were ever i might go.... some get me and some don't ... but they all hear me as i don't dissipear into the night unheard... see standing out and standing up is what i was always abought .... i would like to think after i left the room
people will rember that i was there .........................just one person that isn't easy to shut up....so when people read my posts and for what ever reason think what ever my work is done if thay are at least thinking something....same thing were ever i go...
and your not selfish it's so much your right to think the way you want ... the positive thing is you "are thinking".....

[Priscilla1018]

I think an outing of oneself would carry more weight and get people talking if you were a politician or prominent person that everyone could recognize.Look at some of our openly Gay politicians,Barney Frank,for example.This is the way to get the message out that we are perfectly normal people and not perverts.Sure the Bubbas would'nt change their minds(can I say MIND?)but who gives a rodents rectum about them.

[tari]

I would try to be the voice of reason. Educate them if possible. We are so misunderstood. And part of the reason is many of us (me included) don't understand ourselves. I waste too much time and brain power trying to answer the unanswerable question why. It would be nice if there was a nice neat reason we could use to educate the ignorant. I agree with Priscilla that promanent public figures who go public reall help the cause. Maybe I'm just a coward. tari

[Lauren_T]

I think an outing of oneself would carry more weight and get people talking if you were a politician or prominent person that everyone could recognize.Look at some of our openly Gay politicians,Barney Frank,for example.This is the way to get the message out that we are perfectly normal people and not perverts.Sure the Bubbas would'nt change their minds(can I say MIND?)but who gives a rodents rectum about them.To quote Will Smith, "That's what I'm talkin' about!"

PR is what we need - positive PR, to be a little more precise.

I'm gonna start a thread later (I hope) and suggest somnething we could do, a collective effort. There's talent and motivation on this board, why can't we focus this for a common goal??

We come here from all over the globe, literally, from a incomprehensible variety of backgrounds / talents / desires / abilities. Young, old, rich, poor, in-between...

Want diversity? We gotcha diversity RIGHT HERE! :eek:

We have no shortage of people w/ ideas, we have wordsmiths and visual artists, we have computer/network people, & cetera, & cetera.

We have the Internet.

What we DON'T have is:
A) A plan, however general, to start out
B) ORGANIZATION

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?

Let's go, gels! ENOUGH TALK, LET'S DO SOMETHING!!!

:thumbsup:

[Priscilla1018]

I would try to be the voice of reason. Educate them if possible. We are so misunderstood. And part of the reason is many of us (me included) don't understand ourselves. I waste too much time and brain power trying to answer the unanswerable question why. It would be nice if there was a nice neat reason we could use to educate the ignorant. I agree with Priscilla that promanent public figures who go public reall help the cause. Maybe I'm just a coward. tari

Tari,you can't be a coward and wear a dress. :hugs:

[Natalie x]

I think our first duty is to protect ourselves and our families from the kind of physical violence that some rednecks are happy to dish out at any opportunity. And we also have to think about the social effects of outing ourselves.

But, after allowing for these considerations, I think we owe it to ourselves to at least speak up for CDs when we can, maybe in a third-person way if necessary, even if we can't risk coming out ourselves. I would like to think that I would put someone straight, especially a friend. And, yes, I would out myself, if necessary, to do it (with some reservations about the situations in which I would risk it).

Strangely enough, I do think that Wendy's redneck buddy might change some of his ways, in the light of his new knowledge. And he could well tell others about this guy he knows who is a crossdresser but who doesn't actually want to mollest chidren and, in fact, is quite a regular guy. I've heard quite a few folks talking about "gay people" they've known, in a positive way, so why should it not be the same for us?

And we don't have to go through all 6,000,000,000 people in the world; if we are really 10% of the population, we only have to tell 9 each and the whole darn world will know!

[Wendy me]

all this is way good , a plan thats what we need is a plan.......cool but what we need is to work on the one most importin person in the world .... anyone have a clue who that might be .....???? world leader?? no.. some groupe leader ??? no.... boss at work??? no..........it's you ... yes you the person you are sitting right here right now....
right here amungest us we do run the entire list from who is who right on down ...
but can you belive we have a bunch of closed minded people here ???? true sad but true... our own people .... you know i have done some changeing and thinking over time ... oh at one time it realy hurt me that some would not like me and think them better than me for what ever reason... god this bothered and hurt to no end.. how could i make them like me ??? how could someone that never met me judge me???
and this drove me to the point that it was traeing me appart... but what i have learned is realy simple ... be who you are and be ok with the way some people think as we are all diffrent... should you , out of a thousand people have one person hear you and truly get it then you have done something.... a big plan i would love that truly i would but frist that one person that needs to get it and see things as thay are is ourselfes.....


if not now.....then when?

if not right here .... then were???

if not for me .... then for who????