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linnea
10-17-2010, 05:47 PM
Suppose that you're not entirely out of the closet (maybe not at all), and some of your friends start to make disparaging remarks or demeaning jokes about CDs and TGs and TSs. What do you do--laugh and joke along with them; remain quiet but chuckle from time to time; interject some positive or supportive comments; berate your friends for being insensitive; or something else.

Marissa
10-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Good topic, linnea..

I would be the one who remains quiet but chuckle if someone is watching my reaction. But if its the tone of HATE, no matter who its directed at, I would be verbal and express my thoughts.

Had this happen on the way to a concert that the parents of my daughter's bf invited us to. So we piled into the SUV and along the way, someone talks about their young child and some of the tv shows that have scenes or topics about gay or cd or how they are child channels during day but later cross to more mature topics.. like the cartoon network. Anyway, there was something about a shopping experiene and pnk shoes for a boy.. Course some of the ridicule was towards crossdressing.. and I did the remain quiet as I was in the last row of seats of the SUV with my daughter and her bf.

As I listen, it occured to me about how this would affect my daughter since she knows I dress.. so I watched her face and didn't see much of a reaction from her.

The next day, I told her that I was sorry for putting her in the type of situation and hope she is okay to deal with that..

"Its okay, not a biggie.. I know they weren't really being mean, just thought it was funny about the little boy's desire for the shoes."

I was glad for that..but it did make me think about future issues.. being outed would not be good for me..but I would be more worried about her feelings then anything else.

Sorry for the long response.. :)

Hugs,
Marissa

Diane Elizabeth
10-17-2010, 06:14 PM
Why is pink shoes for boys out of the question. Prior to WWII wasan't pink for boys and light blue meant for girls. Seems I recall reading that somewhere. Maybe it was on a thread here.

Karren H
10-17-2010, 06:16 PM
I usually laugh... Just because some of the jokes are truly funny... And usually true. The guys in the locker room were talking about the transmission in his truck before the game and said something about tranny not working and another guy chimed in "he probably wouldn't want to work on your car anyway......". It was funny at the time... Especially with me wearing a sports bra and womens hockey under things! Lol. Last month our VP and I were walking along and we saw this girl with zebra heels... As we pass he said to me "if I ever catch you wearing something like that to work...". My coworkers let out a laugh and I thought it was funny.... (Guess every one knows??).

I have a strange sense of humor and am not offended by jokes about me personally or about crossdressing in general...

linnea
10-17-2010, 06:18 PM
Thanks, Marissa (long response not a problem). To Starla, prior to WWII it wasn't the reverse on the colors, but it wasn't so set as a way to distinguish boys from girls. Earlier in the century, boys and girls wore dresses (late nineteenth century into the first couple of decades of the twentieth). These things are social/cultural constructs that have no inherent basis, but they're are interesting.

Cherry Lynn
10-17-2010, 06:19 PM
Why would pink shoes for a boy be out of the question when men are now wearing pink and all the publicity for breast cancer awareness touts pink?

Marissa
10-17-2010, 06:23 PM
Pink shoes for boys..lets see..put yourself in the heart of Texas in a town with a church at every corner..and oh yeah..big trucks and cowboy hats.. lol..okay its not that bad (or good, hmmm). It wasn't said in meaness..just something like what Karren is stating..

Marissa

Nicole Erin
10-17-2010, 06:33 PM
I have a strange sense of humor and am not offended by jokes about me personally or about crossdressing in general...
hell no, I am one of the worst people I know about making TG or gay jokes and I am OUT!
I do not do it in a hateful way but I do know some TG would probably find it offensive. What could one say though? I mean here is this TS making fun of the situation.

Oilpainter35
10-17-2010, 06:47 PM
MEn wore red because of the fighting and getting blood on their clothing. Women wore blue as a sign of purity. that was back in the times of Kings in England and of such. somewhere it was turned around. Check out the Barouque paintings. Men wore red and women Blue. Check out paintings of scenes out of the Bible. Men in Red Women in Blue..

JenniferDiaz
10-17-2010, 07:05 PM
Here's an episode of that marvellous fact-based show "QI" that deals with this very question! The discussion starts at 2:14.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCLWI87bAcE

Fab Karen
10-17-2010, 07:11 PM
A) ( if it's a common occurence ) ask yourself why you hang out with these morons.
B) interject supportive comments ( "I've heard...." )



Last month our VP and I were walking along and we saw this girl with zebra heels... As we pass he said to me "if I ever catch you wearing something like that to work...". My coworkers let out a laugh and I thought it was funny.... (Guess every one knows??).

Just tell him you promise to only wear basic black heels.

Annie D
10-17-2010, 07:25 PM
If it is funny; laugh! If it is demeaning or a put down; blast it! There was a blonde who got a new computer and used as her password "Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Pluto, Goofy, Bugs, and Austin." When asked why she used so many words, she replied, "I was told that my password should be 7 characters and 1 capitol." That could be considered demeaning to all you blond girls. I apologize.

Elizabeth Ann
10-17-2010, 07:47 PM
I am not righteous about this, nor am I politically correct. I am a bit dyslexic, and still tell jokes about it (like the dyslexic devil worshiper who sold his soul to Santa).

But a few years ago I got an education in the power of messages conveyed in our language. My sweet, generous and talented brother in law died tragically in an incident directly related to his schizophrenia. I helped remove his belongings from the University apartment where he was working on a graduate degree in music, and was the most talented classical guitarist I had ever heard.

Among his belongings was a journal. As you might expect, there was the frustration, dismay, fear, and anger at his situation. But there was more: shame. This wonderful young man was slowly loosing his mind, and he was ashamed of it. I had to sit down, and I almost threw up thinking of the effects jokes that I had laughed about may have had. Right then I resolved never to tell another "crazy person" joke. At least not until everyone can laugh at a joke that starts: "A 12 year old leukemia patient walks into a doctor's office . . . "

Some CD jokes really are funny, and I will laugh. But if you voice your disapproval of any jokes that denigrate any vulnerable group, you can do so without outing yourself.

Liz

NicoleScott
10-17-2010, 08:27 PM
There was a blonde who got a new computer and used as her password "Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Pluto, Goofy, Bugs, and Austin." When asked why she used so many words, she replied, "I was told that my password should be 7 characters and 1 capitol." That could be considered demeaning to all you blond girls. I apologize.

This blonde doesn't understand why the password wasn't "Mickey, Minnie.......etc...etc......................and Dallas"

docrobbysherry
10-17-2010, 08:37 PM
I haven't heard a GAY joke in,--- I don't know HOW LONG! No CD jokes EVER! I guess I'm NOT hanging with the proper "jerks"?

Since I am the LAST person you'd pick as a CD, I guess no one would think to bring the topic up!?

Steph.TS
10-17-2010, 08:54 PM
I generally laugh, but I saw the social network, and there was a scene where a guy was hlding abra up while teasing Erica Albright and said that he got the bra from a 'tranny' and then laughed as though both Erica and the 'tranny' were a joke, I thought it was in poor taste, and the movie wouldn't be signicantly impacted if they removed it.

how long until CD/TG/TS are accepted in society? anyways my philosophy has always been if it's funny it's funny regardless of the subject. That said I can also be offended by some of the jokes out there...

Christy_M
10-17-2010, 09:31 PM
I have been in a situation where one of a group of guys I was with made comments about someone who may or may not have been CD - my reply was that it would probably be the best woman he could ever get with and that ended the discussion. We moved on to some other inocuous topic like cars or sports. I have been snesitive to these comments for so long that I try to crack on the offender for noticing rather than out myself by confronting.

LitaKelley
10-17-2010, 09:45 PM
How many crossdressers does it take to change a lightbulb?




































Two.

One to screw in the lightbulb and another to take a picture.

Katrina told me that one, lol

linnea
10-17-2010, 10:36 PM
Thank you for all the great comments.

Shananigans
10-17-2010, 10:41 PM
This happens around my SO and I a lot. I wonder how awkward we look when the conversation turn to crossdressing, or there's a joke about a man in a skirt...

I think our usual plan of action is always to laugh awkwardly and then take another shot.

One day in the computer lab, his friend said, "Hey, Ryan, someone was looking at a site called crossdressers.com. How freaking weird is that?" We both were laughing awkwardly and saying, "Yeah, that's weird...wonder who that was..."

EEEEEee

eluuzion
10-18-2010, 01:51 AM
I tell each of those people to hold out their wrist and I give them a twisting wrist burn with both hands, then send them to bed without supper. :)

Oh, sorry, that's what I SHOULD do..

What I actually do is laugh if the joke is funny, as long as it is not at the expense of a specific person (like pointing at somebody on the street).

I have a bizarre, distorted and twisted view of the world by nature. It is not vindictive or meant to demean. I just initially use a "cartoon" filter to view everything around me. I worried about how this might affect my daughter when she was very young, fearing she might develop poor social skills and respect for others.

But I was and am very careful how I "make fun of" myself and other people. I do not launch specific and disrespectful comments that would embarrass or insult somebody. My comments are more comical distortions of reality that hopefully just mask a point or real observation underneath, if somebody takes the time to think a bit.

It all worked out fine with my daughter and all of her friends. I was the "weird" dad that they all thought was "random", due to the stuff that comes out of my head at any given moment. I make fun of myself as much or more than I do when looking at the rest of the world...

Sarcasm...just one more service I offer...

Humor does free your perceptions enough to see things you normally might miss...

donnalee
10-18-2010, 04:46 AM
One thing I have noticed, in this politically correct society, is that CDs are the last permitable public objects of derision. TV or films can't poke fun at blacks, asians, jews or gays (unless it's done by a member [or someone playing a member] of that group). Just watch TV for a few hours and you're pretty sure to run across this. I think the general public takes a cue from this as to their permissable behavior, hence the jokes. Unfortunately, it can also be taken as permission to abuse CDs, verbally or physically. When I hear this kind of thing, my first instinct is self preservation, either flight or fight, depending on the situation. If it's someone I know, I'll usually try to appeal to their sense of individuality (i.e." Whatever floats your boat" etc.). Those I don't know or respect, I have long since stopped trying to teach pigs to sing (although, occaisionally, I have a relapse).

janet p
10-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Something like this is not new to many of us remember Polish jokes and others, I use to laugh when they were done in fun but tell the punch line before the teller when they were meant to be mean,then say get some new material.

joank
10-18-2010, 02:16 PM
I laugh along with the others cause I don't mind laughing at myself. BTW, pink and black was a big color combination for guys in the mid-1950's. Might have had something to do with Elvis and his colors.

EllieOPKS
10-18-2010, 02:19 PM
DonnaLee, now that you mention it, I saw an episode of "House" where house takes a CD to dinner. Nothing was said directly, just body language. The only thing that I really took exception to was the fact that whoever the CD'r was I thought looked pretty darn good except the producers intentionally left his 5 O'Clock shadow so there was no doubt on the viewers part, which I guess kinda makes sense, it got the point across.

I have never heard a CD joke but would like to. Especially after I get dressed up LOL! I love jokes and enjoy laughing. But if someone is being singled out it is no longer a joke.

SO FOR THE LOVE OF PETE - Somebody PLEASE start a CD joke thread.

Makayla
10-18-2010, 02:37 PM
My secret got out to some of my friends, which didnt bother me the slightest, but it is kind of funny whet they make sly little jokes about being a crossdresser, i laugh sometimes, i play along sometimes, either way i usually try to make them feel awkward about it because in the end they are the ones who have a problem with crossdressing.

Makayla

Makayla
10-18-2010, 02:41 PM
My secret got to some of my friends, it didnt bother the slighest, it iskind of funny whent they make jokes about being a crossdresser, i sometimes laugh, i sometimes play along, either way i usually try to make them feel awkward because in the end they are the ones who have a problem with crossdressing.

Makayla

Kate Simmons
10-18-2010, 03:24 PM
Hmm, I'd probably tell 'em myself. BTW, Didja hear the one about the CD who.....?:heehee:

AKAMichelle
10-18-2010, 03:33 PM
I think I would be laughing anyway. After I quit laughing then I might say how bad it was.