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Niya W
10-18-2010, 12:37 PM
I just hope they don't focus in on the panties and draw conclusions on the trans comunity.

The commander of Canada's largest air force base is to plead guilty to the murder of two women and the sexual assault of two others, his lawyer says.
Col Russell Williams once acted as pilot for Queen Elizabeth II and was in charge of Base Trenton in Ontario - Canada's busiest air force hub.
His lawyer told an Ontario court he would plead guilty to all charges.
He is also charged with 82 counts of breaking and entering. Prosecutors said he had stolen women's underwear.
One woman was found dead in her house in November 2009. The other went missing in January this year.
Col Williams was arrested on 7 February. He is expected to enter guilty pleas at his next court appearance later this month.
The murder victims were Marie Comeau, a 38-year-old corporal, who lived in Brighton, Ontario, and Jessica Lloyd, 27, a resident of Belleville, Ontario.

Loni
10-18-2010, 12:47 PM
sad, very sad here was a guy who had every thing going for him, and he drops down to the lowest level of murder.
i feel for the family's of the murdered.

and he should fry.

Niya W
10-18-2010, 12:53 PM
I'm trying to figure out when did he have time to do this. It's not like he is some low level grunt with lots of free time.

Jenny Beth
10-18-2010, 01:18 PM
This has been the biggest news story in Canada since he was arrested and the more we hear the more distrurbing it becomes. He plead guilty to all charges today sparing a lengthy trial but what is comming out now about his past is sickening. And to add insult to the whole thing he is eligible for a $60,000 annual pension from the military and the government says it can do nothing to prevent it. I am outraged.

Emma Chase
10-18-2010, 05:12 PM
I have pasted a news story currently here in Canada...

Modorators .. if this is wrong I am soooo sorry. :(

Just go to show again that with media begin what it is easy to point that finger and say THATS the stemming of all this ... again ONE can make it bad for the rest in regard to X dressing


BELLEVILLE, Ont. - Col. Russell Williams indulged his fetish for women's and girl's lingerie by taking thousands of pornographic photographs of himself wearing their stolen underwear — and sometimes masturbating for the camera — before his sexual obsession escalated to sex assault and murder, court heard Monday.
Graphic images of the decorated Canadian military commander posed in the lingerie he collected as trophies flashed on screens in an eastern Ontario court, after Williams pleaded guilty to two murders, two sexual assaults and 82 break and enters.

Tammy V
10-18-2010, 05:23 PM
That is some bad press alright. I wish could get some good press to counteract it.

abigailf
10-18-2010, 05:54 PM
There are good news stories out there. They just don't get sensationalized as well as the bad ones. That is the case whether it involves crossdressing or not. Maybe someday we will hear about a hero crossdresser. Maybe we already have and just don't know they crossdress.

April Renee
10-18-2010, 06:53 PM
Reminds me of the thread " I blame BTK" check it out in the archives in this forum.
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April
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Daintre
10-18-2010, 08:17 PM
I just caught this on the local 6 PM news. The prosecution showed pictures this pervert took of himself in the stolen lingerie. Reporters talked to the people in the courtroom after the session and all thought it was sick, the pictures obscene. This lowlife broke into over 80 homes to steal lingerie and finally committed 2 murders. It seems to be a story that will receive much world press.

This "person" held a position of power in Canada's Armed Forces. I can only offer my condolences to the families of the 2 murdered women.

sandra-leigh
10-18-2010, 08:42 PM
I stopped by to post about this story but see there's already a thread.

A national newspaper's article about the story is here (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/disturbing-photos-trace-col-williamss-path-from-lingerie-thefts-to-terrifying-sex-assault/article1761367/).

Leslie Langford
10-18-2010, 08:49 PM
...sure hope this guy doesn't give the rest of us CDer's a bad rap due to assumed guilt by association...

Check out the attached link - even Jerry Springer couldn't have invented this type of stuff. Then again, maybe Jerry will invite the Colonel to appear on his show, should he ever get out of prison on parole.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101018/national/colonel_murders_military

And his wife allegedly never had any inkling about his secret life - Mind-boggling! :eek::eek::eek:

celeste26
10-18-2010, 09:57 PM
If this person was in the US military he would lose all compensation including his retirement benefits.

Chickhe
10-18-2010, 11:10 PM
So far, he doesn't look much like a crossdresser. More like a person who was collecting trophies and expressing his power over these women by putting on their clothes. Bad press for the CDers who 'borrow' clothing without asking and underdressing, however because any ignorant person who discovers that may be thinking the worst.

Niya W
10-18-2010, 11:38 PM
If this person was in the US military he would lose all compensation including his retirement benefits.

They might of court martial him.

Daintre
10-18-2010, 11:52 PM
The Canadian Armed forces cannot take away his pension and they cannot court marshal him. They can however take the "unprecedented" steps that would strip Col. Russell Williams of his rank and service decorations. In all likelihood he will receive 25 years in prison with no parole.

GaleWarning
10-19-2010, 12:15 AM
The Canadian Armed forces cannot take away his pension and they cannot court marshal him. They can however take the "unprecedented" steps that would strip Col. Russell Williams of his rank and service decorations. In all likelihood he will receive 25 years in prison with no parole.

So his pension won't be all that flash, anyway ... :straightface:

t-girlxsophie
10-19-2010, 04:31 AM
If this was the UK sure as fate the headline would be "crossdresser pervert slays women" they dont need any excuse to sensationalise that part of this awful story,almost relegating the murder of the women to a side issue.sad but alas very true of the Press over here

Elsa Larson
10-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Add him to the list of Crossdressers Behaving Badly.

Sarah Michelle
10-19-2010, 10:21 AM
I was watching the news last night, and that was the first time I saw significant reporting of the breaking and entering and stealing underwear. I didn't relate to him as a crossdresser. I see him as a criminal sexual deviant, (not to mention rapist and murderer), but I did entertain the thought that the general public is going to associate him with crossdressing and the entire community is going to take the hit.
In a selfish and narrow way it's sad, for us. I'm not forgetting the victims and their families and their suffering, but he isn't a crossdresser, he's a murderer with a fetish.
There is to be more reporting today detailing the sexual assaults and murders, as they finsih reading in the facts for the guilty pleas.
Too bad we don't have a high profile spokesperson to make the difference clear to the public.

Jenny Beth
10-19-2010, 10:41 AM
Add him to the list of Crossdressers Behaving Badly.

So far he has not been labeled as a crossdresser but rather a sexual predator, pedophile, rapist and a murderer and hopefully the public will see him as just that.

bobbie anne
10-19-2010, 10:48 AM
Here in Canada the latest news is one of our top military guys is on trial for sexual assult and killing two women. He also has broken into dozens of homes, dressed up in the occupants lingerie, taken hundreds of pictures of himself in their sexy things. Now the news media is pointing their fingers at perverts who dress in womens clothing. A huge step back for us here in Canada and else where

pattyv
10-19-2010, 10:52 AM
Hi Bobbie,

My thoughts exactly.

Laura Evans
10-19-2010, 11:13 AM
Just read about that today in the newspaper and that was my thought exactly. It will paint a not so positive picture of all of us to the public and they will tend to generalize all of us as being just like this individual. So sad that one bad apple can so ruin all our efforts to portray a more positive attitude towards us or for that matter anyone that is different than the norm.

Jodygurl
10-19-2010, 11:27 AM
I have for a long time brideled at the media's ability to orchestrate "group think" or more precisly, the lack there of. The guy is a sadistic pervert. That hardly discribes those of us who simply identify w/ the other gender. But the media outlet that produces that story would be laughed at. So disappointing.

Raquel June
10-19-2010, 12:33 PM
Obviously it would be nice if the media could see the big picture. Psychopathic self-loathing perverts often engage in crossdressing or homosexuality just because they see it as more kinky. You tend to hear more about homosexual pedophilia than heterosexual pedophilia. I think eventually the TG community will get past this labeling just like the gay community did.

But there are some things that perpetuate this from our side:

- Most of the nice CDs are totally private and don't work to present us in a good light, and many of the nice TSs try to be stealth and don't work to further our acceptance. This is to be expected. Everybody can't be a martyr. But we should all be more conscious of the degree to which we represent our community. It's rare for me to see another TS person, and as such I'm sure it's rare for the people I meet on a day-to-day basis to see TS people, so that is a responsibility whether I like it or not to present us all in a positive light.


- We tend to be very adamant about saying "it's all good" and "we can't judge" no matter how badly a CD treats his wife or how blatant they are about their disrespect for femininity. Some CDs strike me as total misogynists who only like crossdressing because they see femininity as degrading and dirty and kinky. If we can't draw a distinction among ourselves, how do we expect the general public to? We will always be equated to those for whom it is a hobby to be a walking hard-on in panties.

Emily_3
10-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Just read this today, this guy is a murderer and a pervert, thats the difference between him and us, however the media will put an extra spin on it, not only deal another blow to the M to F TG community, but demonize men too.

With these types of stories making the rounds, it's almost shameful to be male much less a male CDer

suzy1
10-19-2010, 01:26 PM
Unfortunately this is what we are up against. I suppose we can still be encouraged by the wonderful progress homosexuality has made in this world. Our turn one day?

SUZY

Brenda79135
10-20-2010, 05:08 AM
Did anybody happen to catch "Insdie Edition" last night. There was a story about a Canadian Col. that is a crossdresser. The only problem he was also a serial killer. He would break into womens houses, kill the woman and take pictures of himself wearing their undergarmets. The story pretty much made it seem like all of us are about the same way. I was not at all happy with the way they portrayed crossdressing.

7sisters
10-20-2010, 05:13 AM
Oh this article made it to Indian newspapers too. Except I did not bother to read it.

savvy_fudge
10-20-2010, 05:17 AM
I don't really see what he did as crossdressing. As I didn't see Inside Edition I don't know how they talked about the case but it's been followed quite a bit here. He is a sick disturbed individual and while there is evidence that he did wear some of what he stole for the most part he just stole it and logged it away. If Inside Edition was portraying him as as crossdresser I see that as an issue with the producers/writers who don't understand it. Just my 2 cents.

Savannah

erickka
10-20-2010, 06:06 AM
I know what you mean. Just as we start to get a little acceptance momentum going, the media or whatever has to slam the door shut on us and remind all of those narrow minded individuals to keep thinking that we are all deranged, dangerous or whatever

sandra-leigh
10-20-2010, 06:40 AM
This topic is being discussed in the Media section under title "omg... Colonel Williams" (or something close to that.)

PortiaHoney
10-20-2010, 08:08 AM
Saying this guy is a CD is akin to saying all rapists are in a normal relationship. His motivation is not the clothes or gender conflict. His motivation is his power over these women and the clothes are merely memento's to be enjoyed.

I really hate the way the media lumps everyone into the same basket. It's like them announcing that you must be a rapist because you are male, or a child molester because you are gay, or a lieinh. money grabbing cheat because you are a woman.

One day the media will grow up and stop making such broad generalisations because it causes a sensation. But people still buy the papers, watch the news, listen to the radio. And they just call it good press?

giuseppina
10-20-2010, 09:14 AM
I agree with the thoughts expressed above.

As things stand now, the only thing left to decide is "dangerous offender" status. Such a designation would mean Mr. Williams will be held until he is no longer a danger to the public, regardless of the prison sentence imposed, which is life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years for first degree murder. The Canadian military has already started proceedings to strip Mr. Williams of his rank and military honours.

karentvca
10-20-2010, 01:20 PM
I'm pretty sure the Canadian girls are following the murder trial of Russell Williams, the Canadian air force colonel who committed some 80 break-ins to steal lingerie, dozens of sexual assaults and finally 2 murders. It's heartbreaking and sickening. One of the insights that struck me was his admittance that he had suppressed his lingerie fetish for a couple of decades. Is it possible that this suppression led to his savage crimes?

If you can bear to read the testimony, the Globe & Mail are doing an excellent job covering the trial live: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/courtroom-liveblog-of-col-williamss-hearing-day-3/article1759108/

Lee Andrews
10-20-2010, 06:21 PM
...sure hope this guy doesn't give the rest of us CDer's a bad rap due to assumed guilt by association...


Too late for that. This ******* has taken Ontario by storm and has taken CDer's to a new low around here. The media has taken this and run with it.

I feel for the families that have to hear this being told in court.

Suzette Muguet de Mai
10-20-2010, 06:46 PM
I read an article here in Australia and I was shocked by the headlines mentioning "crossdresser". Here we go again, another arrow in the quiver for those who want any excuse to harass crossdressers. I just hope it does not set our desire to be accepted by society back a few years. I don't even think he should be labelled as a crossdresser, this guy is mentally disturbed. He dressed in the underwear of his victims and took photos, audio and video of himself and the victims. Sorry, I think this is a misuse of the term crossdresser. Didn't someone dress as a clown some years ago and commit murder? I just hope it does not bring out a "hatred" of us and "hate" bashings

PetiteDuality
10-21-2010, 10:46 AM
So far, he doesn't look much like a crossdresser. More like a person who was collecting trophies and expressing his power over these women by putting on their clothes. Bad press for the CDers who 'borrow' clothing without asking and underdressing, however because any ignorant person who discovers that may be thinking the worst.

"Borrowing" is just wrong. And if "borrowing" is also related to "breaking in", then I think it's just sick.

And yes, he is obviously a crossdresser. Not the typical, not our favorite, but a crossdresser.

It's really sad. It will give a bad name to the CD community. It will trigger alarms to suspecting wives or others related to closeted CDs. It will make acceptance even harder.

kym
10-21-2010, 11:28 AM
Obviously it would be nice if the media could see the big picture. Psychopathic self-loathing perverts often engage in crossdressing or homosexuality just because they see it as more kinky. You tend to hear more about homosexual pedophilia than heterosexual pedophilia. I think eventually the TG community will get past this labeling just like the gay community did.

But there are some things that perpetuate this from our side:

- Most of the nice CDs are totally private and don't work to present us in a good light, and many of the nice TSs try to be stealth and don't work to further our acceptance. This is to be expected. Everybody can't be a martyr. But we should all be more conscious of the degree to which we represent our community. It's rare for me to see another TS person, and as such I'm sure it's rare for the people I meet on a day-to-day basis to see TS people, so that is a responsibility whether I like it or not to present us all in a positive light.


- We tend to be very adamant about saying "it's all good" and "we can't judge" no matter how badly a CD treats his wife or how blatant they are about their disrespect for femininity. Some CDs strike me as total misogynists who only like crossdressing because they see femininity as degrading and dirty and kinky. If we can't draw a distinction among ourselves, how do we expect the general public to? We will always be equated to those for whom it is a hobby to be a walking hard-on in panties.

two very good and true points Raquel, however,(isn't there always a however? lol) some of us nice CD's and Transgenders are private for personal safety, there are still some areas in this country that it is dangerous for us to go out dressed as the gender we feel we should be thanks to narrow minded people and in some cases the image the media can throw on us. Believe me I do what I can to present our community in a positive light but there are certain places I would love to go and can't due to ignorant people. Normally I get men trying to pick me up, unless its a place like a country music venue where the men normally carry firearms and knives and don't like anything "different" than what they were taught to believe and the women like to gossip very loudly as to whether thats a man in a dress or one of them there queers we hear so much about. So obviously I avoid the country music venues and anywhere else these fine folks may frequent when I am enfemme, and the fact that I live in the south means pretty much I have to stay home on weekends and such so as not to run into any problems.

Jenny Beth
10-21-2010, 11:35 AM
Well he's on his way to prison for the rest of his life to rot like the scum he is. Hopefully this will all be old news in a few months but for the families of his victims their lives have been shattered forever. Criminologists say they have to re-write the books on this one, not only was he a respected commander but he flew cabinet ministers, the Prime Minister and even the Queen. The country is in shock.

Fab Karen
10-21-2010, 06:55 PM
As mentioned about such cases before, the murderers are collecting momentoes, they get sick enjoyment from reliving it in their minds.


One of the insights that struck me was his admittance that he had suppressed his lingerie fetish for a couple of decades. Is it possible that this suppression led to his savage crimes?

No. That isn't a cause of such things. If a murderer craves chocolate but suppresses it, it would have nothing to do with the desire to kill.

jenni_xx
10-21-2010, 09:01 PM
Is it possible that this suppression led to his savage crimes

No. That isn't a cause of such things

It's possible. Suppression can manifest itself in the most brutal of ways but only if the person is clearly psychologically unstable to begin with. Fab Karen is completely correct in saying that it isn't the cause of such things. There is simply no evidence of a causal relationship between cross-dressing and committing a brutal crime (or a crime of any kind), just as there is no causal link between homosexuality and serial killers (despite there being many serial killers who have been identified as gay). If society deems this case to be a justifiable reason in which to give crossdressers a bad name, then they are wrong, naive, and very stupid in doing so. So they clearly need to be educated. The worrying question however, is who will do this? The media have a responsibility, but it's probable that they, albeit perhaps only through inference and association as opposed to saying it outright, will only end up perpetuating such an idea. All I would say to anyone who implies such a thing is "Eddie Izzard. He never hurt anyone. All he does is make people laugh."

sterling12
10-21-2010, 09:58 PM
And when I hear or read about SOME Shrinks expounding on their theories about "Fetishistic Crossdressers," this is probably what a lot of people will probably imagine many of us to be!

It aggravates me, because (if they exist,) The Number of Pure Fetish Crossdressers is probably very small, and The Number of People who would steal and kill for their Fetish is surely minuscule. I imagine it's a setback, but not an insurmountable one. Those of us who are Outside The Closet need to do more Outreach, and make sure that People see a different sort of TG Person compared to Examples like The Colonel.

It's A Sidebar, but I wonder if one of "The Military Dinosaur's" in The States who are now actively fighting The Repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will try and twist this Incident around to suit their Purposes: "See, I told you." "Their all Perverts, and that's why they can't Serve and Die, like our good Heterosexual Boys!" Somehow, I imagine they will link this guy to This Completely Different Issue!

Peace and Love, Joanie

docrobbysherry
10-21-2010, 10:19 PM
This is REGRETABLE NEWS! I couldn't find anything about it in the LA Times today. If ONLY he collected panties, and didn't WEAR THEM! This kind of negative sensational press could poison the public's mind about CDs for YEARS!

It makes one rethink the ever popular "panties" threads doesn't it?

Angiemead12
10-21-2010, 10:59 PM
talk about bad media for our kind!

RachelPortugal
10-22-2010, 02:51 AM
This has been the biggest news story in Canada since he was arrested and the more we hear the more distrurbing it becomes. He plead guilty to all charges today sparing a lengthy trial but what is comming out now about his past is sickening. And to add insult to the whole thing he is eligible for a $60,000 annual pension from the military and the government says it can do nothing to prevent it. I am outraged.

His service career earned him this pension, but if he is going to serve 25 years or more in prison then he won't have much chance to spend it. In the knowledge that he has a sizeable income, his victims and their families can make claims for loss and damages against him. Whilst money cannot bring back the dead or heal mental and physical scars, I am sure the victims and their families will get some degree of satisfaction that they can make this sicko (and his family, innocent though they may be) suffer financially.

GingerLeigh
10-22-2010, 04:12 AM
I think he's not a crossdresser. He seeks to demean his quarry by wearing their underwear/taking them as a trophy and rubbing their belongings on his privates. Not feel feminine or ladylike.
The media has it all wrong, in the one article there was a specialist who said that his depravity stemmed from his pantie collecting and it escalated. From what I gather from myself and many others on this site, violence is not something we stoop to.


The man is a sociopath.

Ginger

Jeanna
10-22-2010, 04:59 AM
It makes one rethink the ever popular "panties" threads doesn't it?

Yes it does. Like "What colour of panties are you wearing today Col?"

You could say that he had a serious pantie fetish, but I honestly think that he would be a good candidate for euthanasia.

Hey Doc you can read about this sicko here http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/judith-timson/the-williams-case-why-i-didnt-look-away/article1767581/

Edwina
10-22-2010, 07:34 AM
This "news" hit our newspapers a few days ago and my hear sank when I read the details as this cannot be good for us.
One thing though is the absence of the word "transvestite" Usually it is transvestite steals plants at night or transvestite tries to rob bank etc.

Lucy_Bella
10-22-2010, 07:50 AM
It is really a starving Media Source to have headlines telling of the horrific crimes this person commited to be shadowed only because he may have been a Crossdresser? What has the media turned into?. 5o years ago Crossdressing would have been omitted and the focus of the artical would have only been the crimes commited. The extremes the Media will go through to get an audiance these days . Sad.

Jenny Doolittle
10-22-2010, 08:07 AM
It is too bad that the news media is putting more importance on his wearing woman's clothes then the fact he was "top dog" in the military. All and all I feel sorry for the families of his victims.

Sedona
10-22-2010, 08:20 AM
"Borrowing" is just wrong. And if "borrowing" is also related to "breaking in", then I think it's just sick.

And yes, he is obviously a crossdresser. Not the typical, not our favorite, but a crossdresser.

It's really sad. It will give a bad name to the CD community. It will trigger alarms to suspecting wives or others related to closeted CDs. It will make acceptance even harder.

I agree. He's as much a crossdresser as anybody here, IMO. Problem is, this crossdresser is a homicidal maniac and a psychopathic thief, things that (hopefully) can't be said about anybody else here. I hope they throw the book at him, and that the public doesn't use it as an excuse to persecute CDers in general.

jenni_xx
10-22-2010, 08:23 AM
Men kill. Are all men killers?

Women kill. Are all women killers?

Straight people kill. Are all straight people killers?

Gay people kill. Are all gay people killers?

A very simple retort to ANYONE who tries to bracket all crossdressers in with this guy.

Tina B.
10-22-2010, 08:42 AM
Last night on TV, headline, Crossdresser is mass murderer, then followed by the story of the col. There is just no good way to spin it from our point of view. I'm sure someone will get beat up or attracted in some way over this. giving time it will blow over as soon as the next big real big story hits the news. Thankfully here in the states people seem to have a short memory for things, and are ready to jump on the next new thing that comes our way.
Tina B.

Jenny Beth
10-22-2010, 09:15 AM
I don't know how the media in other countries have been reporting this story but here in Canada all three major television networks have never used the word "crossdresser" or implied that fact as a reason for his crimes. The focus has been on who he was and what he put his victims through. For sure there are media outlets elsewhere who want to sensationalize his horrific crimes but those outlets are the ones who believe ratings are more important than fact.

Tammy V
10-22-2010, 12:42 PM
Here I am trying to get up the courage to come out to my SO (wife). I actually came close today and do plan on doing it before Halloween, but it DID NOT HELP when this story aired on the news last night when we were watching together.

Jo-Anne
10-23-2010, 09:37 AM
Seeing Williams in lingerie is the worst publicity ever.....Just when society is taking a more sympathetic look at transgendered people too..He is a very sick fellow...Society will just lump him in with us..I identify with his female victims,not him...I'm a woman inside too and pray for his victims ,as well as other women who are victims of abuse.Williams also reflects on men who are mostly great guys!...He's evil,and really shouldn't represent anyone....

PetiteDuality
10-25-2010, 07:57 AM
Men kill. Are all men killers?

Women kill. Are all women killers?

Straight people kill. Are all straight people killers?

Gay people kill. Are all gay people killers?

A very simple retort to ANYONE who tries to bracket all crossdressers in with this guy.

Sure. But I don't see straight people saying "this serial killer is not really straight, because we don't behave like that". The straight killer is still straight, and the crossdresser killer is still a crossdresser.

The thing is that crossdressing has a bad stigma around, due to the ignorance that has surrounded us for so long. And many people equals crossdressing to being sick.

Ashliegh
11-26-2010, 03:00 PM
Figured I would find this topic here somewhere. A few weeks ago I was on a coffee break at work (I work in construction) when the topic of conversation turned to this scumbag. A comment was made along the lines of "the guy dressed up in woman's clothes, what a freak" funny I would have thought the fact that he raped and murdered women was what made him a freak...

Laura Jane
11-26-2010, 03:36 PM
That is some bad press alright. I wish could get some good press to counteract it.

What would you suggest? A passerby capturing on a camera phone a CD dashing from his building in a bra, panties, Black see through negligee and blonde wig, to pull a trapped driver from a crashed burning car?

Dana
11-26-2010, 04:59 PM
Try as I may, try as I could?

I just couldn't let it pass of the offense of the term "low level grunt

Being transgendered, a cross-dresser etc has nothing to do with being a "grunt"

And being a "grunt" ~ aka a low ranking enlisted infantryman ~ has nothing to do with being a high ranking, Canadian Air Force Officer!

Indeed! Were one to purchase the book "Is There A Marine In The House" they would find that the arts, the media, the theatre, literature, the highest ranks of government and industry are populated by so-called "grunts"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_United_States_Marines

And this is JUST the United States Marines ~ the SMALLEST BRANCH OF THE United States Armed Forces! Not to include the other Four branches ( I include the United States Coast Guard ~ they deserve they're proper due!)

mmandy31
11-27-2010, 06:23 AM
this guy is no longer a col. he was booted out of the military with a dishonorable discharge stripped of his rank in which he will never be called a col. stripped of his medals and will spend the rest of his life in jail hopefully.
saddly the only thing he get is his pension .
they took all of his uniforms and medals and destroyed them so they couldn't be sold

RozalynLove
11-27-2010, 12:08 PM
I just hope they don't focus in on the panties and draw conclusions on the trans comunity.

The commander of Canada's largest air force base is to plead guilty to the murder of two women and the sexual assault of two others, his lawyer says.
Col Russell Williams once acted as pilot for Queen Elizabeth II and was in charge of Base Trenton in Ontario - Canada's busiest air force hub.
His lawyer told an Ontario court he would plead guilty to all charges.
He is also charged with 82 counts of breaking and entering. Prosecutors said he had stolen women's underwear.
One woman was found dead in her house in November 2009. The other went missing in January this year.
Col Williams was arrested on 7 February. He is expected to enter guilty pleas at his next court appearance later this month.
The murder victims were Marie Comeau, a 38-year-old corporal, who lived in Brighton, Ontario, and Jessica Lloyd, 27, a resident of Belleville, Ontario.

I think anyone who tries to relate this to the crossdressing and transgender community is simply looking for an excuse to find something wrong with it. Even if he did enjoy wearing the panties, breaking into people's houses and stealing their underwear is a completly different issue in itself. If it was just the wearing of panties that he enjoyed then it would have been enough to do what pretty much all crossdressing and transgender people do, and bought his own. Sure he may have the harmless desire to dress as a female, but going about it the way he did is very harmful, and his method of acquiring panties should not pushed onto anyone who deals with their harmless desire in a harmless way.

gabe
11-27-2010, 05:20 PM
Let's keep one thing very clear about Mr. Russell Williams: He is convicted of murder and burglary. Mr. Williams is not incarcerated for being a crossdresser. The offence that landed Mr. Russell Williams behind bars is not what he was wearing, he could have been wearing a hockey helmet and it would not have made his crimes any less perverted or offensive. Burglary is burglary, whether the object of theft involves undergarments, Matisse paintings, jewelries or currencies. Unfortunately a crossdressing perverted serial murder is more titillating, gets more click-through and sells more ads than a garden variety serial murderer, but crossdressing is not on trial. Crossdressing is not perverted, it is a form of self expression and identity, it is a freedom of speech. Murder is a psychopathic disorder, crossdressing is a form of self expression.