Admirers.....any veiws????

[mand]

Just a little thread about admirers. Do you have a veiw about them?

Also can I just ask what advice would you give to an admirer regarding how to get along with and how to treat a Transgendered person (which ever part of the spectrum you are in)?


Now the reason I ask is that I once asked this question on another forum..................and lets just say when the replies started, war broke out on there, but then again it didn't take much for that to happen with some of the members on there.
I asked the question then because there was a guy who everytime he posted, well he was simply shot to bits, so I asked the question and told him to watch what happened.....................he did and after he saw that he left the forum :o

This forum is different though, the girls on here are the best :)

Why am I asking the question here? ...........guess I'm just nosey ;)

love mand xxx ........... :)

[Stephenie]

Well yes Mand, you do have a cute nose. As for your question I would think that an admirer should treat a TS as they present themselves male or female. It would seem apropriate do do so.

[Emily Ann Brown]

I have someone who thinks I am very pretty and feminine. He is a thrill to talk to. He knows I will not talk trash or do nasty pics. He quite often makes my day with his compliments. When I say I have to go he is respectful and doesn't fuss. He never asks for personal info. He always makes me feel like a lady and treats me as such. He appears very intelligent and is a good conversationalist. I consider him the model for an admirer.

He's the first one I've found.


Emily Ann

[Tiffy]

Not only am I a CD but I am an admirer of other CD/TG/TS. I would say just to treat them with respect.

Kisses, April

[RainyHaze GG]

Well yes Mand, you do have a cute nose. As for your question I would think that an admirer should treat a TS as they present themselves male or female. It would seem apropriate do do so.


Mand,

I have to agree with Stepenie. I think a person should be treated as they present themselves.

Cute nose? Well yes. ;)

Love,
Rainy

[Katie Ashe]

:think: ...Treat others with the same respect you desire... :bonk:

Gender, CD, TG, FU&U, Pincess type, Gay, Les, Human, Animal...
Be kind or be gone :wave:

[Priscilla1018]

:think: ...Treat others with the same respect you desire... :bonk:

Gender, CD, TG, FU&U, Pincess type, Gay, Les, Human, Animal...
Be kind or be gone :wave:

Very Good Words To Live By Katie.I have been hit on here in the past,makes me think they need glasses more than I do.I handle it by saying that I am married and I don't date but,thanks for the compliment.Admirers come with the territory as long as they treat us with respect I see no problem.

[Rainbow6562005]

For CDs here who like the image I project, I'm pretty forthcoming because they seem careful not to intrude. So far no one has overstepped my boundaries.

For others outside of this community, I'm extremely careful about what I reveal of myself.

As for respecting others, I do my best to see everyone, even those I don't like, as human, and treat them with civility, at a minimum.

For anyone who's undergone/undergoing the awful expense, pain, social upset, etc. of changing their gender, they surely deserve to be seen the way they want to be seen; as well as an extra measure of respect and caring.

Rainbow

[Kimberly]

WOW!! :eek:

... has anyone mentioned Mand's cute nose??

[Mx Justina]

Since I am bi-sexual, and I oscillate between unisex dress and an obvious femme outward appearance...many imagined social scenarios will reflect this. Particularly en femme, whoever I imagine as a male chaperone or admirer always appears as intellectual and gentle-manly in appearance and expression.

So any homophobe which wishes to peg me as accepting the "lowest common denominator" in terms of male appearance/qualities is pathetically sadly. mistaken.

My generalised advice regarding bi/gay male admirers is that they should act the role of GQ males, and avoid even the slightest hint of appearing like "Johns".

J.

[Khriss]

-"Admirers" or creepy friggin "stalkers"? I'm aware of the diff ? so,yer point???

[Julie York]

Since I am bi-sexual, and I oscillate between unisex dress and an obvious femme outward appearance...many imagined social scenarios will reflect this. Particularly en femme, whoever I imagine as a male chaperone or admirer always appears as intellectual and gentle-manly in appearance and expression.

So any homophobe which wishes to peg me as accepting the "lowest common denominator" in terms of male appearance/qualities is pathetically sadly. mistaken.

My generalised advice regarding bi/gay male admirers is that they should act the role of GQ males, and avoid even the slightest hint of appearing like "Johns".

J.


I have no idea what that means. Babel fish anyone?

[Mx Justina]

I have no idea what that means. Babel fish anyone?

Pity I can't "babel" what you would want to read opinionwise...Differing views as there are feesheees.

J.

[JocelynG]

I would treat them how I would want to be treated.The golden rule is always best :D

[Julie York]

Pity I can't "babel" what you would want to read opinionwise...Differing views as there are feesheees.

J.

Differing views I can deal with. English as it is not spoken is another issue.

[Tristen Cox]

Do you have a view about them?
I'm more worried about what their view of me is, like where's the hidden camera at? :eek: :o :D

[Lady Jayne]

I admire many of the ladies here for many different reasons, if someone found me attractive...well I guess I'd feel flattered as long as they kept things tastefull. Had one guy pm me saying he wanted to spank me ect that kind of freaked me out.

[Jesse69]

I had one admirer pm me that he wanted to meet me but I was not interested. It's flattering though. But I'm only a closet crossdressor and I don't cd for other people.

[cindybarnes]

I have been chatting for several years in a chat room where many know each other from outings and events, this includes some polite admirerers.
http://81.168.81.68:7575/

When I first started chatting online I didnt know what to think of "admirerers" as it was all realy new, but its not hard to tell who is looking for what. There are chat rooms for everything now so anyone that will invade a nice chat with off color remarks wont get replies from me at all.

I have maybe met 4 or 5 admirerers at different events ( not my admireres but TG/CD in general) and they have been nothing but gentelmen. A girl will still accept a drink from a friend ya know :)

Here is a pic of a guy my daughters age that has made some long road trips just to party with us girls, another one I would never worry about. (excuse the hair ball at the bottom of the pic ) :)

So Mandy to answer your question I guess I break them into 2 groups,, polite guys that can be fun to chat with and trolls.
Cindy

http://cindy8082002.com/friends/P1010070c.jpg

[Mx Justina]

Differing views I can deal with. English as it is not spoken is another issue.
Quiet laisser faire is what I personally choose over nit-picking...but on internet forums, nit-pickers abound like so many fishes in the sea (an ideal non-real environment for them actually).

If I wanted to be an equal-opportunity nit-picker, every other poster could be my surprise target...so so glad that it's not my personality facet.

J.

[Tamara Croft]

Quiet laisser faire is what I personally choose over nit-picking...but on internet forums, nit-pickers abound like so many fishes in the sea (an ideal non-real environment for them actually).

If I wanted to be an equal-opportunity nit-picker, every other poster could be my surprise target...so so glad that it's not my personality facet.

J.Ah but you see, if we could actually understand what on earth you were talking about, then maybe we wouldn't 'nit pick' but as it stands..... your first post I'm afraid made absolutely no sense what so ever ;) So I agree with Julie..... can you repeat it in English please?

[Amelie]

I can understand what Justina is saying. She would like an admirer to be a nice gentleman, not a sleaze-ball.

[KathrynTX]

I've never met any admirers in person and hope I never do. The ones I've bumped into online are a bunch of creepozoids. One asked me to send him a pic of me naked! If any of them came near me, I'd have to grab one of my swords (probably a katana) and swing for his joy department! I used to frequent on chat room where there was usually at least one, and after a while it just became sickening dealing with them.

[Toyah]

I admire the vast majority here for your bravery in being here and your friendliness.
There are some here who are very good looking and should I see a picture that is good I will say so. This forum is different I think because we can give and receive praise and not feel threatened or pressured and if someone gets out of hand they get repremanded.
And yes Mand you are still a babe:thumbsup:

[Amelie]

I admire many of the ladies here for many different reasons, if someone found me attractive...well I guess I'd feel flattered as long as they kept things tastefull. Had one guy pm me saying he wanted to spank me ect that kind of freaked me out.


Pssst... Jayne,,, Can you give me this guys E-Mail addy, or his user name.lol

[Toyah]

Do you have a view about them?
I'm more worried about what their view of me is, like where's the hidden camera at? :eek:

NOT TELLING :kewlpics: :lol:

[Marianne]

I have no idea what that means. Babel fish anyone?

It made perfect sense to me! :D

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I'm in two (at least two, maybe a lot more) minds on this subject. On the one hand there's a certain thrill felt when an apparently 'normal' male expresses their feelings about how I look 'en femme', on the other hand I have to wonder about their motivations.

It's not like they're likely to take me home to meet Mom and Dad, even if I was willing to try that (I get a mental image from 'Meet the Fockers', with a picture of Robert de Niro looking at me as his fingers twitch and reach for a 9mm Glock).

I'm also a realist, and totally aware that most so-called admirers are nothing more than slick-tongued HNG's (HNG = horny net geek). While my mental self-image of myself puts me on the cover of 'Playboy', the reality is quite different. I'm an ornery, cantankerous, pragmatic, cynical old fart making my way through a life that has put so many obstacles in my path that it's not funny.

While I'm not averse to admirers, and could even see myself in a relationship with one, they first have to get past the 'barriers'. Depending on the place and time, those barriers are quire formidable.

When it comes to chat (I hang out on IRC sometimes), it takes far more than a private message of "hi honey" or "You look great tonight!" to get past that initial barrier (how the heck do they know how I look tonight?). It takes empathy, understanding, and above all , some major respect.

I have my own 'comfort' levels, and despite being 'wide-eyed and innocent' in many ways as I grow into learning all the ramifications of this side of myself, I also have my limitations. Most of the admirers I've encountered on the 'net are not able to get past that. I also have a lifetime of experiences in many other pervues of life, and that too, raises a barrier.

Hmm, I guess I'll stop there, sicne I'm starting to use too many long words...

[Mx Justina]

I can understand what Justina is saying. She would like an admirer to be a nice gentleman, not a sleaze-ball.
Amelie,

If Tamara wants a succinct explanation, yours would be it. "Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs.

J.

[Debbie Kong]

I have been chatting for several years in a chat room where many know each other from outings and events, this includes some polite admirerers.
http://81.168.81.68:7575/


Here is a pic of a guy my daughters age that has made some long road trips just to party with us girls, another one I would never worry about. (excuse the hair ball at the bottom of the pic ) :)

So Mandy to answer your question I guess I break them into 2 groups,, polite guys that can be fun to chat with and trolls.
Cindy

http://cindy8082002.com/friends/P1010070c.jpg

Thats a great picture! A beautiful picture. You're there gurl!

[Toni]

Hi Girls,

I can't for the life of me understand why an apparently hetrosexual male becomes an "Admirer". I love wearing womens clothes but that is as far as it goes, I don't want to be pestered by these people and to tell the truth I don't think that what they have to say on sites like this has any relevance (To me that is). Why would they want to sit with a group of TVs anyway? I am TV but I can still see beautiful women all around and I love to look at them and talk to them but, I don't think I could ever become an "Admirer" of other men. If other TVs want to admire me then that is lovely and if a straight male says I "Look nice" or holds the door open for me then that's terrific, but these "Admirers" - no way not for me. Do they admire straight girls I wonder? By the way what the hell does GQ stand for?

[Marlena Dahlstrom]

Unfortunately, there's a lot of frogs (to put it politely) and not a lot of princes. I look at as a GG empathy-building experience.

Although I suspect some of the admirers may be more crass than usual, having grown up on a diet of ******* porn that gives them rather fanciful expectations about what t-girls are like.

That said, while they're a minority, there are definitely some admirers out there who are genuinely respectful and fun to be with.

[Lisa Golightly]

Hey as long as they're well behaved, have good manners and wash I'm happy to chat to just about anyone. I think hostility levels usually run hand in hand with your own personal comfort with your own gender perception and that is not necessarily anything to do with your sexuality. Some 'girls' can't handle being treated as a woman even though they're dressed as one.

There are some real gentlemen out there. A few chat to me on a weekly basis. They're all nice guys, warm, funny, friendly. Equally there are a lot of perfect ladies out there too, and I love to talk to them equally.

Sometimes it's nice to be treated as you see yourself. An admirer can do that. I have friends who see me for me... an admirer sees you slightly differently... as a desirable person.

I'm waffling.... sorry.

Lisa x

[Melissa Ryan]

Do you have a view about them?
I'm more worried about what their view of me is, like where's the hidden camera at? :eek: :o :D


I still wont tell you!! :D

[Julie]

I know one admirer fairly well. He's a total gentleman and I have nothing but respect for him. He expressed interest in me but I told him I'm only into GGs. He's been fully respectful of that and has not made any advances. We communicate by e-mail mostly as members of a Chicago group. I was the initiator of a monthly dinner outing that has been pretty successful but that I stopped attending because it's held on a weekday. Our e-mails mostly consist of him asking me to attend again as I was the one who got this thing off the ground. So my one close experience has been very positive.

I know another less well. He has never made any advances. I think my body language speaks fairly loudly that I'm not interested in men and he picked up on that. He too has always been respectful and very kind.

What I do know is any of us ever wanted a date, it wouldn't be hard to find one. I've had countless admirers e-mail me saying nice things but never where they saw my picture(s) so I have no idea where these guys are coming from. I only know there's no shortage of them.

[Amelie]

I guess I should answer the question. I love admirers. This is one of the main reason's that I dress. Yea, there are sleazy guys out there, but when you go out and about, you'll find a way to handle them, just like the GGs do.

[Julie York]

Since I am bi-sexual, and I oscillate between unisex dress and an obvious femme outward appearance...many imagined social scenarios will reflect this. Particularly en femme, whoever I imagine as a male chaperone or admirer always appears as intellectual and gentle-manly in appearance and expression.

So any homophobe which wishes to peg me as accepting the "lowest common denominator" in terms of male appearance/qualities is pathetically sadly. mistaken.

My generalised advice regarding bi/gay male admirers is that they should act the role of GQ males, and avoid even the slightest hint of appearing like "Johns".

J.

"Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs."





Spot the difference Oscar? :D

[Vallari]

Show respect to me and treat me like a lady. :) Doesn't seem like that much to ask, one would think. Unfortunately a good segment of the population has trouble with this concept though. That is unless they want something or they can somehow benefit, then...:rolleyes:

[Mx Justina]

"Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs."





Spot the difference Oscar? :D

Yes I know the difference...but non-heteros excersise individual choice and discrimination, as heteros do. "Nice gentleman" itself is a starter vague generality...so I opt for some elaboration in my post...hence, I mentioned "GQ male" in the final paragraph (GQ= Gentlemen's Quarterly).

BTW...No!, my name is not Oscar, anymore than yours might be CLem, Clyde or Mr. Whatever!

J.

[Jodi]

The admirers that I have met have been at clubs during our Girls night out flings. The main one is the Queen of Hearts in Warren, OH. There are several guys who are there every time we are. So far, these guys have been gentlemen. About 4 years ago, i met a jerk at "The Zone" in Erie, PA who would not take no for an answer. Fortunately, he was smaller than I. When I threatened him with bodily harm, he backed off.

Jodi

[DonnaT]

Funny how all the references to "admirer's" seems to be directed towards men. There are GGs who are admirers too.

Admirers that respect CDs are ok. A good web page for Admirers to visit would be http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtintro.html

[Khriss]

-sure Donna... sad ...they've seemed to have missed me... bummer- :(

[carson]

I'm of the mind that I try to handle each individual person and situation with respect and discretion. There are those who I admire, either for their personality or artistry in crossdressing or their courage in dealing with CD/TV/TS/TG issues. I must admit, I have been on the receiving end of admiration too. Of course, it was "last call" and I was the only "gal" left in the bar. :rolleyes:

Oh, and Tristen? As far as where the camera is? It's on the tops of my shoes...lookin' straight up, baby. Can I have the next dance? Perfect. :D

[cindybarnes]

Donna, true... admirerers can be GG's that enjoy us that have a feminine side, but
wow they are hard to find ! SO's that enjoy even if they dont understand are probably more rare.
Having a GG friend that likes us as girlfriends,, clothes and makeup talk etc is almost like therapy for our soul, but watch out for those sneeky lesbian feelings that may happen ;)
http://cindy8082002.com/friends/Picture653c.jpg

[Khriss]

OMG Cindy she is .....You are.......the two of you are.......... :eek: :thumbsup:

[Tristen Cox]

You're mine just remember that Khriss :p

[Khriss]

yes Dear , hmmmmmmmm
(just lookin' hehe?) :D

[Debbie Kong]

Just a little thread about admirers. Do you have a view about them?

Also can I just ask what advice would you give to an admirer regarding how to get along with and how to treat a Transgendered person (which ever part of the spectrum you are in)?


I have a view about Admirers. I need them. They can help me feel womanly in ways that others can't. Meeting with Admirers has, mostly, been a great time and for the rest of it mediocre. The nice ones are still friends and we've met again. You might think me crazy but I actually invite them to my home.

The advice I offer to Admirers is to be good at correspondence. Show some wit and individuality and you'll probably get some where. It's all about communication and good oral hygiene for me.

The Admirers I know think that TGurls are special. I'm glad that there are people who feel that way.

Debbie

[carson]

Donna, true... admirerers can be GG's that enjoy us that have a feminine side, but
wow they are hard to find ! SO's that enjoy even if they dont understand are probably more rare.
Having a GG friend that likes us as girlfriends,, clothes and makeup talk etc is almost like therapy for our soul, but watch out for those sneeky lesbian feelings that may happen ;)
http://cindy8082002.com/friends/Picture653c.jpg

Cindy? I'd give anything for you to clone your SO for me. :Pray:

[gender_blender]

I've found that most admirers are male. I have found and hung out with some female ones, but from my experience the vast majority of female admirers go undetected because they settle for normal guys. We are so much better.

I get many many emails and IMs from male admirers looking to hook up. I get hit on by guys everywhere I go. When in androgynous mode, I cause males to question their sexuality or so I've been told by straight males. Every man who hits on me could possibly be accused of being gay I suppose, as could I if I showed interest.


Charlie

[DragonLotus]

I've found that most admirers are male. I have found and hung out with some female ones, but from my experience the vast majority of female admirers go undetected because they settle for normal guys. We are so much better.

That's it in a nutshell, I'd say!

I'd like to see if they are better. I suspect they are better by far, but I have no personal proof. Part of what makes it difficult for GG's is, how do you KNOW? Especially if someone is trying hard to hide it in every day life? There are very few CD's who are as out in the open as ones like yourself. I think I may have inadvertently dated CD's in the past but they were too scared to come out and tell me. It's like ships passing in the night with no real way to communicate. There's always a fear of either party crossing a highly personal boundary and messing things up. Like I'm going to say to my guy in a moment of passion "I like boys who wear makeup and satin"! hahaah I would either get the best deal EVER, or get the sh!t kicked outta me. lol

But yeah. The number of GG admirerers is probably greatly underestimated.

[cindybarnes]

Carson thanks but that pic is a GG admirerer :) My friend in the pic and I have been able to share and learn from each other since first chatting online, she is the first GG I chatted with (hubby is cd also) Donna mentioned GG's so the pic came to mind. My So didnt think she was that cute ?????? LOL
And thanks Debbie & Khriss *S*

[Sweet Jeanette]

"Admirers" should be gentlemen...not sleazeballs."





Spot the difference Oscar? :D

Admirers should kiss the Ladys hand, and then, if she will allow; ---Kiss her foot, then leave. --------- Maybe she will call you back, if your lucky! :)