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Starla
12-13-2010, 09:16 PM
I thought I’d plunge headlong into this forum by offering some well-considered thoughts on passing and public crossdressing. (This is a looong post...take a potty break and grab a snack first.) Though I have not been dressing for many years (read my introductory post (http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?144991-Saying-quot-hello-quot-here-s-my-sad-and-sordid-saga.....) if you want to know why), I spent a lot of time in public as Starla back in what I like to refer to as my “Pink Period” (about 120 years ago, or so it seems). I hope some of you will find these thoughts of value, especially if you are making your first fledgling steps into public. Whatever you’re considering doing, I’ve been there, and speak from experience. Hopefully, this treatise won’t be TOO long, boring, disjointed, or self-contradictory. (You be the judge...)

Number one rule: be safe. When considering an outing, ask yourself “would a genetic female do this?” If the answer is “no,” don’t. I’ve seen many YouTube videos of crossdressers skulking around deserted parking garages, walking past closed shops on a lifeless street at night, etc. – yikes! :doh: Why not just wear a neon sign that says, “Victim Available Here?” Use your head. Believe it or not, you will pass better (and be much safer) in a crowded, well-lit, busy environment than anywhere else. This is a lesson most novice girls need to learn when venturing outside the privacy of their home or hotel room – crowds are cover. The more people and bustle and activity and noise going on around you, the more you become just a tiny speck in the overall tableau of society. If you’re just one of the varied multitudes, you are far less likely to be an object of attention and scrutiny (or violence) than you would be in a quiet, dark, isolated setting. The first time I went into public fully dressed, it was to a huge, crowded shopping mall at the height of the annual Christmas shopping madness. People were focused on finding bargains, not on systematically dissecting the perceived gender of that kind of tall, chunky woman-looking-thing with the big hands.

For your first few forays into public, you might benefit by being accompanied by an escort. Having someone with you for support will help calm your nerves. It also helps convey the image and minimizes attention – if you are with someone who is talking to you and relating to you as a female, others will tend to follow suit. Consider a GG friend who is unquestionably female – you’ll just look like two girlfriends on a shopping excursion or lunch date. Even better, a male escort will just cast you into the assumed role of wife or girlfriend in the eyes of others. If you are not “out” to any male friends, think about asking a CD friend if they will accompany you in drab. That first public outing en femme mentioned above was with the male roommate of a TS friend, and having him at my side went a long way towards making me feel secure.

Dress appropriately for the venue. Budding crossdressers tend to be overly fixated on their wardrobe, and want to dress to the nines for every occasion. It’s not the 1950’s, and as much as we adored June Cleaver (R.I.P., Barbara Billingsley :sad:), women do not do their grocery shopping in pearls, designer dresses, and heels. Save those 4-inch f**k-me-pumps for the club, not Wal-Mart. And a tasteful, but elegant cocktail dress may be just right for a string quartet recital, but stick out like a sore thumb in the buffet line at Sizzler. Dress nicely, but let people notice you for your casual beauty, not because you look like you just came from a costume party.

No matter how you look as a woman, no matter what your perceived flaws, remember that there are plenty of humans out there who lack your Y-chromosome, but nonetheless share those things. There are women who are unusually tall, or have broad shoulders, or big feet, or deep voices. There are even a (small, admittedly) handful of women who have visible adam’s apples. (Think Ann Coulter....well, though in my mind her gender status is still an open question.) :raisedeyebrow: I always like to point out that, at one of the jobs I worked as a female way back when, my boss was taller than me, had a deeper voice than me, and had smaller boobs than me. But no one would have ever questioned her gender.

Attitude and self-image can go a long way towards trumping appearance. You have to carry yourself in a manner that says, “I have as much right to be here, dressed as I choose, as anyone else.” An excessive concern with what others think is to tacitly believe that you must have their permission and approval to be in that public place. By doing so, you have given others power over you that they do not deserve. Act like you belong there, not like you’re invading someone else’s space.

Your attitude dictates your body language, and how you carry yourself is just as important, if not more so, than how you look. Skulking around, constantly glancing over your shoulder, walking on an erratic path or aimlessly wandering, avoiding eye contact – all of these are things that will call attention to yourself even if your appearance is flawless. (In fact, it’s just this sort of behavior that catches the eye of security guards looking for shoplifters!) Look guilty and ashamed of what you are doing, and people will notice.

When dealing directly with people (sales clerks, waitpersons, fellow shoppers), smile and make eye contact. A simple and sincere smile can go a long way towards defusing any initial discomfort or confusion. Your smile says, “I’m happy and comfortable with myself and this encounter – so should you be.” Look them directly in the eye, speak to them clearly and in a friendly manner, and treat them with the same respect you desire for yourself. But if you mumble, talk to the floor, look anywhere but at their face, fidget, and in general act ashamed or like you’ve got something to hide, they will be just as uncomfortable and nervous as you are.

In an ironic sense, passing as successfully as possible has a lot to do with not caring about being read. The more obsessed you are with passing, the more your behavior will give you away. Focus on the task at hand, not on trying to assess the reactions of others. You’re there to shop for a dress, or eat a meal, or socialize with a friend, or browse that art festival or listen to that concert. Dressing in public should not be thought of as a performance to be reviewed, or a test to be graded.

It’s also important to deal with how you react when you are read. And, trust me, you WILL be read. Even the most petite, attractive, and feminine among you will be read by someone, somewhere. And the average CDer is probably clocked far more often than they ever consciously realize. Most of these reads go unnoticed because we’re taught from the time we are small children not to stare or point or laugh at someone who is different. In other words, many who read you will never say anything or react broadly out of simple politeness. Sure, once you are gone, they may snicker with their friends or co-workers, or laughingly mention you to their family at dinner, or their buddies at the sports bar, but they’re most likely not going to confront you or hassle you on the spot. Believe it or not, there are not hordes of tranny-haters out there ready to scare up a posse and come after you with torches and pitchforks because you dared to walk through the mall in a skirt and heels. A lot of people will read you and move on without comment or confrontation simply because they don’t care and/or have far more pressing tasks at hand and things on their minds to get all worked up over seeing a guy in a dress. And (listen carefully), getting read is NO BIG DEAL. It’s not the end of the world, and will not leave permanent scars, nor raise your insurance rates. Just shrug it off (better, laugh it off) and press on. And how you handle a read can help in some tiny way towards better understanding and tolerance – deal with it gracefully, politely, and with perhaps a little gentle self-deprecating humor, and maybe that person will be just a tad more inclined in the future to view the transgendered a little less harshly or ignorantly. Let a read be an opportunity to put a human face on TGism, and make it a little less abstract and scary.

But, alas, there will be those few who make an excessive fuss – the idjits, the boors, the jerkasses – who feel it is their mission in life to point, stare, laugh at, insult, and berate anyone who doesn’t conform to their pathetically narrow concept of how others should look or act. There is no set manner in which to deal with these mental midgets; it depends on the setting, their actions, and your personality. Just ignoring them is best. But I’ve also known girls who defuse situations like this with subtle humor or diversion tactics. One CDer I used to know would react to verbal comments like “Hey, there’s a dude dressed like a chick!” by looking at them and exclaiming, “Really?” then looking around and saying, “Where??” Some girls I’ve known carried a bit more of their masculine side under their female exterior and would directly confront the lowlifes. “Yeah, so I’m a guy in a dress.....what of it?” (While most bullies are cowards at heart, and will turn tail if so addressed, I don’t recommend this approach unless you outweigh them, have taken a few martial arts courses, and don’t mind breaking a nail on a right cross, or scuffing the toe of your pumps as you execute that perfectly-placed groin kick....) :D

OK, I’m kidding there – as I said earlier, ignoring them is still the best course of action. They are looking for a reaction; they want you to be humiliated and run or hide or look ashamed. If you simply soldier on as if they are not there, they will tend to lose interest and soon look around for their next target of derision. Just remember: you are a person of worth and value; they are slime. You’re better than they are by miles; they do not deserve your concern or attention. They’re the fools, not you.

Well, as Forrest Gump would say, “That’s all I have to say about that.” Hope everyone can find something of value in that mess somewhere. Blessings or brickbats gratefully accepted.

I’m outta here,
Starla

sissystephanie
12-13-2010, 09:39 PM
When my wife was alive, she would do my makeup and fix my wig before I went out in public. When she finished with me, I was totally Stephanie!! I did not look at all like a man, and was never mistaken for one. Now that she has passed on, I still go out in public dressed totally enfemme but with a major difference. I am not at all good with makeup so don't wear any at all, nor do I wear a wig! I go out as a guy dressed enfemme! My residence is near Atlanta, GA., and I go everywhere dressed as Stephanie but not looking like her. In the past 5 years I haven't had one single bad comment made to me. I have had compliments on my clothes, from both men and women!

The problem most people, and I am obviously referring to CD's, have is their own attitude! They are afraid of the things you mention happening to them! I am not afraid like that because I know who I am and what I am doing. What I wear is my business and no one elses. I have been a CD longer than most of the people on this forum have been alive! And I have seen almost everything imaginable in my years on this earth. If other CD's would get the proper attitude, they could go out as I do. Not necessarily as a man in a dress, but dressed and looking the way they want to. As long as you are decent, the public really doesn't care!! I walk in the malls wearing a skirt and feminine top and no one pays me any attention! Sure they sometimes look, but that is all. And I am not worried about bullies! The last one who tried something, about 30 years ago, still has not fully recovered!! I put my military time, and since then, to good use!!

Jenna Lynne
12-13-2010, 09:48 PM
A very thoughtful post. Unless you have some objection, I believe I'll copy it over to my blog (with credit to you, of course, and to this forum).

Christy_M
12-13-2010, 09:55 PM
Thank you Starla, for this post. I am probably moe concerned about the torches and pitchforks than I should be. I don't think I pass but feel an inate need to be out and using these tips will certainly go a long way to building my confidence. These are exactly the types of posts that give me the strong sense of unity on this forum. Now I am all emotional...dang it.

Christy

Starla
12-13-2010, 10:00 PM
A very thoughtful post. Unless you have some objection, I believe I'll copy it over to my blog (with credit to you, of course, and to this forum).

No objection. :)

Karren H
12-13-2010, 10:02 PM
Damn.... Wish I'd know all that before I went out in public... Not that I care what anyone thinks of the way I dress... But it might have been fun trying to fool at least a couple people. Lol. Ohh well... Thanks for the post..

Suzette Muguet de Mai
12-13-2010, 10:40 PM
Very good topic with a lot of thought and help. Thank you very much Starla.

Cheryl James
12-13-2010, 11:27 PM
Thank you for your post. You have given me a lot to consider. On an intellectual level, I know that you are correct. On a gut level as I am browsing the lingerie section of my favorite store and I become aware of the people around me, I'm not, yet, that carefree to not worry about it. But, it is my goal and I plan to keep your thoughts close as I venture out more and more.

StaceyJane
12-13-2010, 11:32 PM
Very well written, you have some really good advice.

Tranny Tee
12-13-2010, 11:47 PM
One amazing thing that I have learned is that most people do not notice that there is a big fat guy in a dress near them. The ones that do notice are most often too awe struck to do anything, and a very small minority will whistle or make a comment.
I disagree with the statement that we should not do anything a genetic girl would do, I enjoy going to gay bars and watching drag shows, hardly ever see any GG's there though.

Tank you for an interesting and thought provoking thread.

Emme
12-14-2010, 12:13 AM
Thank you! when i was hair shopping Sat night, the SA asked me if I was gay. It was a good time to teach. I replied "no, I go for giirls...like you". I explained that most of us are not gay. We are just part girl.
The i asked her a question. How many CDs come in dressed to buy hair and her answer was.... You are the only one I know in three years. Then she told me lots of men buy hair...for their girl friend...I laughed and told her that most likely the hair was for themselves. She was very sweet and thanked me for the information. Like I said, this is a very rual area of the SE.

NathalieX66
12-14-2010, 12:28 AM
I was in a half dozen stores a few weeks ago. Not a single cashier or sales attendant flinched. I got ma'am every time.

I was on an escalator with lots of mirrors in a very crowded major department store, and I was pretty much ignored in spite of knee boots & knee legnth denim skirt, and a fluffy scarf. No weird looks. At 5'6", I pretty much fly over most people's radar.

Barnes & Noble was probably the sheepest response yet, in spite of direct eye contact with the cashier at the counter. I didn't even get looks from all the jocks & car nuts while perusing the magazine section.

Was I really that passable? I really don't know. All I know is I had a good time & I want to keep doing it.

Chickhe
12-14-2010, 12:53 AM
Could not have said it better. I don't think I would recommend a first timer going out in a growded mall...unless they have reached some success with a look that blends. Start with a few mini excursions first to buld up your comfort level. ..but, once you are ready, hit the malls and go about your business and have fun doing it. I find it helps to start with the mindset that everyone will know you are a CDer..and that you belong, that way the only way is up.

Kathi Lake
12-14-2010, 01:36 AM
Starla,

Very good information, no doubt gained from years of experience. Thanks!

I do echo the "attitude is everything" part as well. It does seem that when you don't care how you present, that you seem to present very well. Do I pass? Ha! Doubtful. Do I care? No, not really. My goal isn't to necessarily pass, but to show the world out there that I am a normal, well-adjusted human being - that happens to have excellent fashion sense.

:)

Kathi

ReineD
12-14-2010, 02:10 AM
What a wonderful post! Thanks for sharing. :)

Starla
12-14-2010, 07:42 AM
The i asked her a question. How many CDs come in dressed to buy hair and her answer was.... You are the only one I know in three years. Then she told me lots of men buy hair...for their girl friend...I laughed and told her that most likely the hair was for themselves. She was very sweet and thanked me for the information.

Hee hee....so naive. Oh, sure.....solo, unaccompanied guys buy things "for their girlfriends" like wigs, bras, shoes, and makeup all the time, right? :facepalm:


I was in a half dozen stores a few weeks ago. Not a single cashier or sales attendant flinched. I got ma'am every time.

I was on an escalator with lots of mirrors in a very crowded major department store, and I was pretty much ignored in spite of knee boots & knee legnth denim skirt, and a fluffy scarf. No weird looks. At 5'6", I pretty much fly over most people's radar.

Barnes & Noble was probably the sheepest response yet, in spite of direct eye contact with the cashier at the counter. I didn't even get looks from all the jocks & car nuts while perusing the magazine section.

Was I really that passable? I really don't know. All I know is I had a good time & I want to keep doing it.

Your height certainly helps! Looking at your pic, it's clear how most would never give you a second glance (except, perhaps, to admire your look and style). You have very nice natural hair, tasteful makeup, nice boobs, dress stylishly. Personally (and this is not a criticism), I can see a certain masculine element in your facial shape and structure, but then, things like that are always picked up on faster by those of us "in the know" (who know what to look for) than the general public. 99 people out of 100 are going to see you looking as pretty as you do in your pic and immediately think "Girl."

audreyinalbany
12-14-2010, 08:03 AM
I agree there's a fine line between 'passing,' and 'nobody caring." I recently had the opportunity (first time ever) to spend a couple days en femme shopping, dining, hanging out. I didn't get a single strange look or raised eyebrow. I won't be so vain as to claim that I passed, but, I generally think most people don't look that close at people passing them in the mall or on the street. And I don't think SA's and people you interact with really care how you dress.

Starla
12-14-2010, 08:04 AM
One amazing thing that I have learned is that most people do not notice that there is a big fat guy in a dress near them. The ones that do notice are most often too awe struck to do anything, and a very small minority will whistle or make a comment.


Trans people are much more "out there" these days -- in the media, on the Net, and IRL. The average citizen is more likely to have encountered trannies, or even know one or two personally, than ever before. This is a two-edged sword; in a way, it's like CDers are more likely to be noticed and read, but less likely to create a stir or be harassed.

I used to know a girl who was a lifelong CD and had been going out in public since the 1960's. (She once showed me a photo from that era that was a scream: big hair, micro-mini, go-go boots and all.) She felt that she was noticed and clocked far less in that era than later on, because back then, as long as you were even marginally passable, the unspoken assumption was that "no guy in his right mind would dress like that in public -- it must be a girl!" Nowadays, people are much more savvy and aware.

I might also mention something I left out of the original post (WHAT? There's MORE??), and that is what I like to refer to as the "Benefit of the Doubt Factor." Most people, in the course of their increasingly busy lives, do not take the time to carefully scrutinize others to determine gender. When they look at another person, there is an immediate, unconscious mental reaction that decides "boy or girl?" If you take all the many aspects of your female presentation (hair, makeup, dress, height, shape, voice, gait, gestures, etc.), as long as even a slim majority of those things are reasonably within the perceived norms for a woman, that little mental synapse will flip over to "girl," and they won't give it a second thought. The initial impression is most important; the longer it takes that switch to flip, the more likely the decision is to pass into the conscious mind and invite closer evaluation. You don't have to be beautiful to pass -- just believable.

melissacd
12-14-2010, 08:20 AM
Starla,

Very well written and for those who doubt her, what she says is very much my experience as well. We all feel that we will be villified or that our lives as we know it will end or some other such catasstrophe will become us when we go out in public and yet that is generally not what you will experience.


Thank you for your post. You have given me a lot to consider. On an intellectual level, I know that you are correct. On a gut level as I am browsing the lingerie section of my favorite store and I become aware of the people around me, I'm not, yet, that carefree to not worry about it. But, it is my goal and I plan to keep your thoughts close as I venture out more and more.

Keep pushing the envelope a little bit at a time and you will reach a level of comfort with all of this. You will eventually be able to go out in public and as Starla said, focus on the task at hand rather than the way you are dressed and it will become a perfectly normal and natural experience for you.

Melissa

tamarav
12-14-2010, 08:59 AM
Great advice Starla! You echo much the same theme I have been stating for years and it still holds water. Looking and acting like a victim merely makes you more of a target. When I originally wrote my article on not acting like a victim, I got a lot of support from many of the more seasoned CDs around, but so many of our sisters fail to ever get out and even portray what they wish.

Hopefully if enough of us re-state the same ideals, it might get heard. Take a look at my web site (link below in my signature) and read some of my ancient articles, they still stand today.

Tima
12-14-2010, 03:28 PM
Hopefully, this treatise won’t be TOO long, boring, disjointed, or self-contradictory. (You be the judge...)

OK, I will. I just want to say that long posts are welcome; in fact I look for them. I don’t understand why anyone has to apologize for writing a decent “treatise,” as you put it, trying to help others in some way by relating your experiences. Boring? Hardly. Disjointed? Not that I could tell. Self-contradictory? Are you anticipating complaints about length and/or content? As far as I’m concerned, you should “stick it out” there and let your words fly in the breeze, detractors be damned. There are some excellent writers around here – I don’t know why they bother, but I certainly appreciate their efforts. Well done!


They are looking for a reaction; they want you to be humiliated and run or hide or look ashamed. If you simply soldier on as if they are not there, they will tend to lose interest and soon look around for their next target of derision. Just remember: you are a person of worth and value; they are slime. You’re better than they are by miles; they do not deserve your concern or attention. They’re the fools, not you.

I wouldn’t go so far to say that people who point out differences, deride other’s so-called “weaknesses,” or bully from a position of insecurity are “slime,” since they are people too, and are capable of being corrected through painful experience. I’ve been bullied most of my life, yet I have compassion for my attackers – not to do so would put me in their camp of thoughtless hatred, and I really wouldn’t have a sympathetic leg to stand on. What I mean is, if you consider others to be fools because you’re in touch with something they cannot comprehend, then you are just as much a fool in your purported superiority. It’s great to be a crossdresser, but it’s not that much different from any other human activity based on sexuality.
:straightface:

msginaadoll
12-14-2010, 07:40 PM
My motto is if it looks like a duck or duckish most people will accept it as one. I dont claim to be passible, but have never had a problem out and about. People are going about there own lives to worry about one lil tranny. Of course if ya dress to stand out on the other hand Im sure ya will.

donnalee
12-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Great post! :thumbsup:
In any confrontation, it's highly important to be seen as the big dog. This is done by having absolute confidence in yourself and an attitude that says "Oh damn, ANOTHER tough guy" as if you've chewed 2 up for breakfast, had another for lunch, and don't want to be late for dinner. You want the other party to back off, or at very least to realize they are late for an important appointment elsewhere. I am one of those who had a pretty good amount of interaction with bullies when I was a kid. I learned early on the best way to deal with them was to never give in. This avoided a lot of fights, both physical and verbal. The same thing applies with social interactions - don't flinch, cower or use any body language that indicates you're frightened, insecure or uncomfortable. Make eye contact & "Illegimati Noncarborundum" (don't let the b*st*rds grind you down)!:D

Natasha TG
12-14-2010, 08:24 PM
excellent writeup starla, I enjoyed and agree with everything you said...confidence confidence and more confidence with a helping of a humble genuine smile with will be reciprocated by most general public...people are only human at the end of the day... the ability to read peoples body language and adapt to peoples reactions comes with experience... the more comfortable you become in public will allow peopel to warm up to you easier and engage in conversation... which makes going out fun.

DebsUK
12-14-2010, 08:55 PM
Absolutely spot on! Be confident or even indifferent, and it's scary how little people actually notice when walking the streets. If all else fails, blow them a kiss :)