High testosterone work places.

[Pinky188]

Does anyone here work in a high testosterone work place? I am an automotive tech and have to work with a bunch of barbareons! Oh, who are always saying "faggot" and "bitches". I hate it! The worse part about working on cars is breaking a nail!!

[Barbara Dugan]

I do work on enviroment like that.. I am not out for that reason and some of my best friends there are the worst on that kind of language and also defend me to death if somebody doubts of my masculinty..if they only knew

[Krysta]

yeah, one of my coworkers I work with alot is a bigot, racist, etc. he just looks down on other people and treats women as objects. It stinks bigtime. Some people are just so closed minded its ridiculous.

[Jilmac]

I'm retired now but used to work in the building trades, carpentry, masonry, laborer, equipment operator I've done them all and then some. the majority of my co workers were macho types who used every derogatory name in the book to describe females.

[Roberta Marie]

It's been 5 years since I retired, but I spent 26 years working as a firefighter/paramedic. Not too many places that are more testosterone driven or that have more adrenaline junkies than a fire station.

[Pinky188]

Yeah. God! If my co-workers only knew!!! Ha! Stupid boys!!! The worse is when they call their wives "old lady" Gezzzz! Thats respectful!!!

[Suzette Muguet de Mai]

Yep, sure know what u mean. I work with neanderthals and I have to resort to being one in order to make it through the day. Even the reps are just as bad. I would never go into my type of environment dressed in female attire. Even a good looking lady can feel intimidated but a well run workshop will be very busy and the neanderthals will be busy whilst the counter staff are better adjusted to handling all types of customers. I know what the guys are like and if they are fired up by way of an unhappy customer or a strange looking customer they take their gripes home or to the pub for verbal abuse.
I never keep nails good because I am always chipping them or tearing them. I get really upset with the fumes because they dry the skin and torment my hair. Its not a very good environment for a CD but its one hell of a disguise if you can keep the mask on.

[Karren H]

You want manly.... Follow me underground in one of our coal mines!! We do have some women miners and they have been accepted over my carrier... There may be a lot of testosterone down there.... But coal miners are a great bunch... Imho.

[NathalieX66]

My company: Corporate sports-loving environment, fifteen people, including one open lesbian. Everyone is reasonably happy, no axes to grind.
Now, if I could only master golf during the company outings. :raisedeyebrow:.....second thought, I'd rather grow my hair past my shoulders than play golf.

Oh well.

[Chickhe]

20 years ago I would say a lot of workplaces were like that... with anti-smoking, equality for woman and workplace training a lot of that nonsense has gone away. It is changing, perhaps it is one of the last generations before our kids take over and make the world a better place.

[Sophie86]

I worked in construction from the time I was 12 until I was 36. I would never go back to doing that.

[Rachel Mari]

I work for a phone company and everyone on the crew is pretty easy going. We see and meet all kinds of people everyday and it's pretty much........ whatever. No big deal.

[goofus]

Yeah, I used to work in that type of environment...don't miss it much at all. In one of my new jobs I was outed to a macho type...he's actually pretty okay with it. I think that the fact that the majority of people that work there are female helps...easier to be tolerant if there aren't other guys around questioning why you're being tolerant :)

[Christinedreamer]

40 years in the audio visual presentation biz. The offices and guys were fairly easy going so no real issues. I was not out at all except to one GG lesbian friend. I was always amused when we got shows that involved TS, TG gay, etc folks. I loved to hear the guys talking about who they thought was a guy or a girl and the lusty reactions some guys had but tried so hard (no pun intended) to maintain an indifferent if not mildly macho front for the crews.

The best shows for a chuckle were the medical conferences dealing with SRS. Watching the guys on the crews react to the surgery pics and videos was hysterical. Our medical conventions were always interesting and sometimes you needed a strong stomach to watch the videos or better yet, the live dissections and surgeries. We handled medical conventions all the way from gynecology to funeral sciences. These guys could watch a full autopsy and eat a spaghetti lunch at the same time. Show an SRS surgery and they all get suddenly weak kneed.

[Sarasometimes]

Yea, I'm in a macho field mentioned above with lives on the line and high temperatures, any guesses? An interesting thing I have noticed is that a large majority of macho types have very feminine SO's. I think that is how they have balance. Now they would never admit that but it seems more so than not the case. Any others notice this?
On the day I bought a wedding dress as Sara, an hour after returning home I was trying to rescue someone from a very hot environment, unfortunately unsuccessfully. You want to talk about a quick change in gears!

[Loveday]

Yup...I worked in school sytems for 33 years, I never want to go back. Although schools can be quite diverse it was always the high testosterone that ran the place. It was like working around monkey island at the Detroit Zoo. The more limited their intelligence was, with the high testosterone drive, the more management rewarded them. I cannot tell you how many fellow employees where injured because of these morons. They seem to take great joy in reducing people to tears and then laughing in their face. It really made me sick watching this stuff.

[insearchofme]

Try being in a college wrestling room for high testosterone!

[Jay Cee]

Yep, fair amount of testosterone in my workplace (construction). Really, though, in the 40+ jobs that I've had over the course of my life, almost all of them had that macho element to them to some degree. Women were classified as objects, and any guy who deviated from the norm in clothing or gender orientation was a "fag" or "queer". <sigh>

[Jorja]

Hahahaha, As many of you know, I have transitioned and have had SRS for 30 years now. I am an Architect and own a construction company. What you may not know is that of my 30 full time employees 28 are in one stage or another of transition. The two left simply are not intrested in transition and are CD's only. Life is what you make it. ;)

[Alice Torn]

Is it not very sad, frustrating, and lousy, that blue collar trades, or labor, are equated with illmannered jackasses men? I have been a factory worker, military, gravedigger, laborer, and it sadens me to see the same dynamics. It is extremely hard sometimes to be a mannered gentleman, let alone cder, in blue collar jobs. No wonder, it has been so very tough to find willing
gg's to date! Few are looking for blue collar gentlemen, or cd's. Somehow, the macho types always seem to find women, but for me, very difficult. GG"s are looking for highly paid professionals, seldom, if ever, us laborers! Unless from another country, trying to get here! Some of you have to endure a lot of hell on the job!

[erika_s]

I have a friend that knows a CD that works for a car maker. I never met her but I saw her pictures.

[Tina B.]

#30 years a furniture mover/truck driver, no women in the trade back then outside of the office. We had some knuckle dragger's of course, but not all, some where collage graduates and quite civilized, and very happy to be blue collar workers.
Tina B.

[thechic]

Talk about Hi testosterone work places,I work on industrial and commercial refrigeration.always here comments like that all the time.The woman that work in the office i think have more testosterone than i could ever have.It is a good job though.the boss often get comments back from clients saying you have a good woman worker there(talking about me)

I were gloves to stop nail breakage,it helps.

[Roberta Marie]

Hahahaha, As many of you know, I have transitioned and have had SRS for 30 years now. I am an Architect and own a construction company. What you may not know is that of my 30 full time employees 28 are in one stage or another of transition. The two left simply are not intrested in transition and are CD's only. Life is what you make it. ;)

Jorja,

What a great crew you must have! Do you recruit from the TG community, or did they all just migrate to your company? Are you looking for any new employees? I bet I could find a few dozen folks right here that would love to go to work for you.

BTW, I'm in NE Ohio, in Kent. Are we in the same neighborhood?

Bobbi

[Alice Torn]

Tina B. Thankfully, there are some real decent guys and gals in the blue collar fields, sprinkled among the others.

[Kjara_Ra]

yup, construction industry here too. Testosterone infused, but 98% of the people I work with are great people.

[AlannahNorth]

I'm in construction, always have been. In this game, being closeted is not really an option, it's a must. Bummer.

But I still do have fun!

[Giselle(Oshawa)]

I am an autoworker and the closet is a must in my world, very macho environment sadly

[Valerie1973]

Oh yeah, me too. I worked for 15 years with 21 unemployed comedians. I worked in city government with hard core street guys, thugs, ex cons, the worst there is. It was so bad that when some guys had a beef with one and other the supervisors would encourage bare knuckled fights in the shop. It drove me to back to school and earn a degree and now I work in another dept. with only two others and myself whom are much more intellectual. I'm a lab analyst for the wastewater treatment plant. 180 degree difference.

[ReineD]

Does anyone here work in a high testosterone work place? I am an automotive tech and have to work with a bunch of barbareons! Oh, who are always saying "faggot" and "bitches". I hate it! The worse part about working on cars is breaking a nail!!

It's the lemmings mindset. One person has an attitude and everyone else follows. I bet when they go home, they're considerably tamer. :)

I want to add that bigotry is not limited to men and testosterone. Over the years I've heard women also speak disparagingly towards gay men, butch lesbians, and have even heard some pretty raunchy things said about men in general.

[Teddie]

Try a Fire Department. Now retired, thank the goddess.:daydreaming:

I remember attending a class at the state fire school a number of years ago, and someone at the local (read state capitol) FD came out as transgendered. The local newspaper picked up on it (it was a good article), but the article got passed around in a class of about 30 guys and you can guess what the comments were. Do you know how hard it was to keep my mouth closed. :Angry3::Angry3::Angry3:

[KristyPa]

I'm in the Oilfield business. The guys I deal with daily think they had a really good time and brag about it when they get in a fight at a bar.

[SuzanneBender]

Hang out in Combat Arms units in the Army for 26 years and you hear it all. In units like these Homophobic and sexist tripe is bantered about as a methodology of proving ones manhood. The Army is improving. In fact one of its core values is respect. However, there are those that are yet to succumb to what they deem political correctness (I call it just being kind to others).

[kristen123]

I'm also an automotive tech in georgia though! I know how you feel :)

[Sarah Doepner]

I worked with law enforcement and it was very frustrating. While what I observed was not the case for all cops, it seemed to fit a high percentage. The problem was the contradiction between the training they received to make them sensitive to others in public and the disregard they had for all of that when they were inside their own highly macho group. They would treat minorities of all sorts with respect in the field but over beers at the end of the day with their buddies it was obvious they were still biased.

[_Cecilie_]

I like the contrasts, but I'm not tolerant of disrespectfulness. Hate breaking my nails in the garage, or get them all dirty with brakedust (always break off my thumb or index nail! grr!). I go: "Noo!" and the guys are "What happened???" lol "oh, no nothing" :)

[TG_Nicole]

So for me idk if i would say its a testosterone work place per say. But they are a lot of i guess i would say anti-LGBT jokes that go around. At the same time the people there are all very pro LGBT. There was even a trans-gendered out woman who worked there for a while. So i know they don't really mean it but at the same time i just feel so uncomfortable around them. I guess it's just one of those things where there are just so many people in society that think the way they joke that it kinda hits close to home. Doesn't help that i'm so dam insecure about all of this.

[Pinky188]

I like the contrasts, but I'm not tolerant of disrespectfulness. Hate breaking my nails in the garage, or get them all dirty with brakedust (always break off my thumb or index nail! grr!). I go: "Noo!" and the guys are "What happened???" lol "oh, no nothing" :)

Haha! Girl, I can relate so well!!!! Im such a girl at the shop, the other guys sometime give me a hard time about it! Lucky for me, they all like me!

[kaitlin]

It's been 5 years since I retired, but I spent 26 years working as a firefighter/paramedic. Not too many places that are more testosterone driven or that have more adrenaline junkies than a fire station.

My life repeated!! I can't stand all the macho BS!!!

[Joann Smith]

Test and developoment of heavy truck componets here....When i started this company was completly Macho white male dominated period!.. And they prided themselves on that fact...They were finally forced into hiring minorities and women by the goverment because they supplied alot of parts to the military and goverment contracts require that they be equal opportunity employers... I know I caught hell as a minority and But as far as women there go... It was not untill the mid 1990s before they could hired the first female lab tech..because they knew that would be a far worse disaster...There women were generally refered to as "Mop Wringers".."Spem Banks".. "Milk cows"..Bitches and Hoes .. you name it..It was just not a female friendly work place at all ..As a gay male ...no way!..he would have gotten hurt back then.

Today its alot better, most the hard core offenders have gotten cleared by the HR dept. But there is a strong sense of resentment towards women there now because they have to be so careful about what they say. They still say pretty bad stuff about women they just do not let women hear it. As far as gays ...being gay do not seem to be that big a deal with the guys now a days ...I mean they do not get invited to hang out at the bar after work but no one hassles any one about being gay....

As far as Trans People...Not sure they really these guys understand how a Man would ever want to be a woman ..I mean the notion to them is just plain insane...Now they can completly understand why a woman would want to be a man .. In fact we have a couple of trans guys that work there they dress in mens clothes every day and it does not raise a second glance by no one..

I wonder every day what would happen if i decided to transistion there ...I wonder how many of my so called Buds would remain my buds ...or how would it effect my working relationship with the female coworkers...

Joann

[Pinky188]

Test and developoment of heavy truck componets here....When i started this company was completly Macho white male dominated period!.. And they prided themselves on that fact...They were finally forced into hiring minorities and women by the goverment because they supplied alot of parts to the military and goverment contracts require that they be equal opportunity employers... I know I caught hell as a minority and But as far as women there go... It was not untill the mid 1990s before they could hired the first female lab tech..because they knew that would be a far worse disaster...There women were generally refered to as "Mop Wringers".."Spem Banks".. "Milk cows"..Bitches and Hoes .. you name it..It was just not a female friendly work place at all ..As a gay male ...no way!..he would have gotten hurt back then.

Today its alot better, most the hard core offenders have gotten cleared by the HR dept. But there is a strong sense of resentment towards women there now because they have to be so careful about what they say. They still say pretty bad stuff about women they just do not let women hear it. As far as gays ...being gay do not seem to be that big a deal with the guys now a days ...I mean they do not get invited to hang out at the bar after work but no one hassles any one about being gay....

As far as Trans People...Not sure they really these guys understand how a Man would ever want to be a woman ..I mean the notion to them is just plain insane...Now they can completly understand why a woman would want to be a man .. In fact we have a couple of trans guys that work there they dress in mens clothes every day and it does not raise a second glance by no one..

I wonder every day what would happen if i decided to transistion there ...I wonder how many of my so called Buds would remain my buds ...or how would it effect my working relationship with the female coworkers...

Joann

I do wish it was more accepted!!!! I would love to come out completely to everyone. But I need to keep my job! Lip Service dresses are spendy!!!

[Teri Jean]

I have worked for the University for the past 27 years as a engineer (steam) and for the past 20 years in building repair which has been only a male dominated trade. Now they are working with a woman, a transexual female, me. Is there challenges? There is and some of the co-workers have made comments that could be used against them. It has been 15 months since my first day and although there has been challenges there are many more rewards.

Oh one more thing, you do need a great nail technician. My technician Jenna is a sweetheart and has fixed broken nails for hammers, grinders, basketball goals and locks. She is amazing and over the past year and half she and I have become good friends even though I'm older than her father. LOL

[Tess]

When I started my working life it seemed that every workplace was male dominated or exclusive with all that includes in macho BS. First in the service when the only females were nurses or clerks and then in engineering for a Fortune 100 company. All male except for secretaries. That changed when I moved into software development which had a mix of male and female and was the first change I saw in male behavior. The potential of sexual harassment lawsuits really put a lid on overt behavior but it was still pretty macho when the guys got together around the coffee pot. We were a well educated bunch so it was really toned down compared to a blue collar environment. By the time I retired we were close to 50 50 male female with as many females in management as males.

[Beth785]

I work for a highly male dominated industry. I'm a locomotive engineer for the largest railroad in the states (our engines are yellow and gray). There are many who would be accepting, I'm sure, but most of my coworkers are very bigoted and homophobic. Rumors spread very quickly. I had a close encounter a few years ago when I was out dressed at a pharmacy when one of the guys I work with who is of the macho type, walked behind me with his girlfriend. I froze hoping he'd move one without noticing who I really was. Luckily, he didn't suspect a thing.

[AshleyCM17]

I, along with a couple others I see, work for a Fire Department as a FF/Medic. The job is great, but the attitudes toward anything outside the macho can be a bit much. I've had to bite my tongue quite a few times and I still have most of my career ahead! oh joy.

[AKKaren]

The haul road in Alaska....lots of knuckle draggers here!!

[Lynn Marie]

I'm of the belief that most of that macho crap is really just insecure men over-compensating for their own lack of self confidence! That's really all there is to it. We men brag continuously about our macho jobs and achievements. I even hear it on this forum, and maybe even in this thread!

[cdsteph]

Seems to be a lot of fire fighters in the forum.... is it a desire to be HOT at all times?

I work with large groups of men who have drug and alcohol addictions, terrible attitudes toward women, violence, abuse, brain disorders, FASD, Aspergers, PTSD, Bipolar, BPD, an endless list of criminal charges and no shortage of testosterone.

I'm sending Jorja a resume......<giggle>

[JeanneF]

I work in what tends to be a very high testosterone industry...the professional racing world. However, I have found in my travels that there are more than a few transpeople in my business...I've been surprised to meet professional drivers, race mechanics and car constructors at TG events like Southern Comfort. My theory is that in order to be successful in racing, you have to be a very precise, detail oriented person. Maybe having a blend of the male/female helps.

I don't think that I could ever transition in this industry without seriously hurting my career, but that's a trade-off I'm willing to accept. But next time you're watching Speed Channel, just think that the guy in the Nomex suit racing sports cars may have shaved legs and wear heels at home on the weekends.

[_Cecilie_]

the guy in the Nomex suit racing sports cars may have shaved legs and wear heels at home on the weekends.

:o :heehee:

[Pinky188]

:o :heehee:
Just like the guy in leathers, racing motocycles, who just passed you, has shaved legs and wearing black low rise hipster pantys!!!!!! Nothing is as it seems!!!

[pantyhoselover]

In the pilot profession, same macho attitudes. I snicker to myself when I hear joking about wearing pink panties. Little do they know!

[ICU Nurse]

Just for some contrast-

I've had a lot of jobs, some that were very professional, some that took me into some pretty old school macho kinds of environments. I grew up in the blue collar, Archie Bunker kind of place where men were men and women were glad.

But now, I work in a pretty estrogen dominated kind of place. Well, estrogen and adrenaline anyway. A lot of the people we see are trying to die, and we can work pretty hard to get them to knock it off.

The only real concern the nurses I work with have about gay men is whether or not one of their dates or potential dates might be gay. There's a fair amount of talk about fashion and celebrity gossip. And yes, women can be pretty raunchy from time to time. Or even very raunchy. And when nurses talk about anatomy, they speak from experience, I promise.

I'm often the only guy in the room. My CD-ing is occasional and pretty limited and I'm no where near ready to be out with it, so I just sort of let it wash over me and remain a little distant. And to be fair, I'm a middle aged guy working with a lot of 20-something women. They're great, but we're at different stages in our lives and don't have a lot in common.

I know of TG nurses in the hospital system, and they're pretty well accepted from what I hear. No harassment that I'm aware of, and certainly no threat of physical intimidation or violence.

While I know there's a movement to bring more men into heathcare, I hope it sort of stays like it is.

All in all, I enjoy both the change of pace and the peace and quiet.

[Debutante]

I hate such places! I worked in IT with a few men like that... got gay-baited, and harrassed. No more... switched careers... never going back to that...!

[RADER]

Lots of testosterone in the trades. I spent 40 years in construction as a Carpenter.
As a Foreman, I would often hire as I needed personnel. I often hired women when I could
because I found them more quality conscious. Got flack from time to time from supers that
I was running a ***** house instead of a Housing project. I would give them the same chance
as any other man I hired. Do a good job, and come back tomorrow, if not, well by.
I always had high marks on quality and team effort and efficiency. It is my crew I would say;
And it was. Rader