Would you get facial femization?

[Genivieve]

I often think "why not???" Many of the results are amazing!
that way , you could dress, go fully fem and pass. Then return to your normal male life. If it wasn't for certain restrictions, I really think I would.


-Gen

[curiousrabbit]

Problem with facial feminization are the side effects and horror stories ><

Like, on chin surgery.. you can lose some control of your lip (making some sounds harder to say) or lose sensation.

And then there is the entire period of recovery, where you are bandaged up like crazy! (try to explain that at work :P)

Then, there are the repeated visits. From what I have been reading, things might not go perfect the first time (so you have to keep spending more to get things fixed).

Though... even with all of that... still seems pretty interesting. And if you are getting surgery to feminize your face, you are just a couple steps away from going all the way :P

[Genivieve]

Stuff to think about thanks.
I just am being to hopeful maybe.

[Avana]

i think i'd like to.

[Genivieve]

Alana! You're close to perfect. What would you change?

[Steph.TS]

only if I am able to accept myself as TS, and make my peace with it.

[Avana]

Alana! You're close to perfect. What would you change?

haha

I think just my chin a bit (lessen the distance from my lip to my chin), and maybe work on my hairline. Overall my face is more rectangular than square, and to get it more feminine I'd like it to be a little less long.

otherwise i am pretty happy with my face as a lady.

i've never really liked my nose, but a lot of people tell me they like it and that it suits my face... and on the other hand my mom hates her nose too :p so i guess I can live with that.

i don't really even see it as facial feminization, because most of my life i've been wanting to make these changes, before i even knew what a transsexual was even. it's just the way ive seen myself.

[ReineD]

Then return to your normal male life.

I don't want to poop on your thread if it is just a fun "what if" thought. If so, then just ignore the comments that follow. :) If not, you might like a take on the reality of doing this and continuing to live in a predominately non-TG community.

How can a man who has a feminized face return to a normal male life? Or, while on the subject, how can a man with female breasts (implants, not gynecomastia) continue his normal life as a man?

I'm not wanting to be negative, but I do believe that the way people initially (and perhaps continue to) react to all of us has a great deal to do with first impressions, which is based on general appearance and the vibes that we put out. And people in general don't deal well with ambiguous gender. It makes them feel uncomfortable. This is why there is cultural anxiety about CDers and why the CDers have a hard time out in public. Or, if the CDers do master their presentation (providing they have the physiognomy to do so) they still find it difficult to make friends outside the TG/LGBQ community who will habitually do things with them dressed in the same way they would otherwise. Think of all the people you know. If you came out to them today and decided you wanted to do the same things with them dressed, would they all take it in stride and continue the friendship and the activities the same way as before?

I dislike this as much as anyone else here, but CDers are thought of as being odd at best, and even if people are polite enough not to say anything, they won't easily continue all their same activities with their dressed CD friends. So FFS (by this I mean real feminization, not just a nose job) and breast augmentation makes it even more apparent that a male (who wants to preserve his normal male life) is gender ambiguous.

I suppose there are the independent types who decide they are who they are and to h*ll with the rest. They will find happiness with a small circle of acquaintances, or if they live in an area with a sizable GLBTQ community, their lives might revolve around it. But, that's not for everyone. Edited to add there are also the genderqueers among the younger generation, and perhaps they find it easier to mingle in the mainstream than their predecessors (depending on where they live), but life as a genderqueer still does present its challenges.

My point is that I think it's hard to live on the fence unless you are the independent type I've just mentioned. It's hard enough being TS and dealing with complete feminization. I should think it would be even harder to solidly entrench yourself in the nether world of in-between. Might as well go all the way, whether you decide to have SRS or not.

That's just my :2c:. I wanted to open my thoughts to your and other people's comments, since I have read quite a few threads by CDers who want to permanently feminize themselves, but not go all the way and live full-time (with or without SRS). I've always wondered how they rationalize doing this.

[Avana]

i don't know... i think your post is very cynical. lots of hard truth there, but the outlook seems so very cynical.

i guess i am an idealist and one of the 'independent types' you mention (which i take issue with in itself below), but i believe outward (societal) change starts from within and one of the things (not the only thing of course) preventing inward change is inbred cynicism like this.

Also as a biologically male person who lives fairly comfortably from day to day as 'genderqueer' and plays dress-up as a full on 'woman', I don't think it's fair to label people like myself as mere 'independent types', who are exceptions to some rule of gender binaries. I think the future of gender is far more progressive than this, and I'm excited to be at the cutting edge.

[JennyA]

i don't know... i think your post is very cynical. lots of hard truth there, but the outlook seems so very cynical.

i guess i am an idealist and one of the 'independent types' you mention (which i take issue with in itself below), but i believe outward (societal) change starts from within and one of the things (not the only thing of course) preventing inward change is inbred cynicism like this.

Also as a biologically male person who lives fairly comfortably from day to day as 'genderqueer' and plays dress-up as a full on 'woman', I don't think it's fair to label people like myself as mere 'independent types', who are exceptions to some rule of gender binaries. I think the future of gender is far more progressive than this, and I'm excited to be at the cutting edge.

BINGO! You're my new best friend if you let me!

[Genivieve]

I guess I playfully simplified an idea that deserves more input. I have seen some video and had friends who were corssdressing, trans, ladyboy..or geez whatever label ......and they make STUNNING females when they dress up and play that role. I have also seen them take the make up off and engage in daily routine as men.

I thought it was a cool concept that's all.

To tell you where I'm coming from, I was raised by an overbearing violent mother and a controlling oder sister.
For many years, while I was young they made me wear dresses, tights, and pretty shoes. They surely instilled a confusion in me. I wanted to be like them. I remember watching them shop at this store called Clothestime which way near our house. I so wanted to go with them try on the denim skirts and white tights.

So what was at one point a little joke to them became such an innate desire of mine. In fact, if my parents weren't old school immigrants or had an open mind about what would make me happy, they should have put me on hormones because there was no point in my youth until now where I enjoyed being a man.
I recall being 11 years old wearing my sisters dress praying to god to make me a girl. I was raised to believe that he could do anything.
I could go on and on but I''ll save it for another time

Sorry,I ranted a little but I don't want anyone to think that I'm making light of something that is quite painful and complex to many of us.



The main pint of the post is that it would be possible for some to get minor adjustments done to their appearance and depending on how this person represents himself, it could be quite possible to exists as both male and female.

[ReineD]

Alana, to be cynical is to be skeptical, but with scorn. I can promise you that I don't put down or judge anyone who wants to do this, and I don't scorn anyone.

I am also in a rather odd position for a member in this forum. I've read thousands of threads over the course of 4 years, I'm fully and enthusiastically supportive of everyone here including my SO who is dualgender, and at the same time I can be objective when it comes to dealing with issues in the non-TG world because I'm not caught up in the struggles for self-acceptance or acceptance by others. I'll admit that I tend to be analytical, but it is in the spirit of putting everything out in the light and on the table for discussion, and not as a put down.

I applaud you for being genderqueer. I have friends who are genderqueer as well and I admire them. But my impression from the OP was that he wanted to get back to a "normal male life" after FFS, which is entirely different. It was in this this spirit that I responded the way I did.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being independent and unwilling to follow the crowd, but if you feel offended by being categorized as such, I'll edit the particular paragraph in my post to also include genderqueer. :)

To Mrogredick, there's nothing wrong with your wishes, your needs, or your question. :) I don't know if you've looked into what FFS includes, but it involves a lot more than just a few minor changes. I took you at your word and I just couldn't understand how a male with a fully female face could ever go back and lead a normal male life. Again, this is why I answered the way I did.

[noeleena]

Hi,

This was brought up to me , would i have F F S at the time of my other surgerys the idear sounded great now then im 63. & would there be any point . you quess. ill say later.
One of my friends who is a trans has had hers done , now i know her & met her over in austraila for her yes it was good & of cause iv seen the changes take place for her over the last 3 years. she is about 1 / 2 my age. & yea its good.

I have never tryed to look any different than who i am & how i look . i have not tryed to be a girle girl its just not who i am. i did not try to be male ether. being both is who i am.

For me its not about my looks as a woman its about being accepted for who i am if it were about looks then no i dont look much like a woman.so would surgery help me , to answer , its no, because i have acceptance & thats more important to me than how i look . & as a woman.

...noeleena...

[Vickie_CDTV]

I have had a few TS friends over the years who had the whole FFS treatment (as opposed to just one cosmetic procedure such as a nose job or such.) Their recovery was brutal, and I mean brutal; it looked like someone unloaded on them with a baseball bat. They all said the pain was far worse than their SRS and it was really miserable for weeks afterward.

They both, more or less, said it is not the kind of thing one wants to go through unless they really have to (and their ability to blend and survive depends on it.)


Not to mention the expense, I believe it rivals, or surpasses the cost of SRS.

[Angiemead12]

I just want to fix my hairline, thin my nose and remove my adams apple. I think I can live with the rest.

[Tanya C]

No surgery for me, facial or otherwise. I'm just going to try and do the best I can with clothes, makeup and attitude.

[Kate Simmons]

Not unless I had a partner who thought of me as a woman Hon.:)

[Rogina B]

Reine was just pointing out the "freak of nature aspect" to surgical modifications.I think there are a few ways non surgically that help a face become less gender specific...Getting rid of wrinkles,SLIGHT lip injections,hair removal,skin rejuvanation,all help a whole lot. Put the makeup on,and you are mostly there...certainly good enough..Are you going to change your neck and cut off your man hands as well? Of course not!!You have to make the best of what you already have.Living as a freak of nature could get very lonely.

[Jonianne]

Wow, Reine, you hit this subject pretty hard. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." :tongueout

I took the OP as meaning only changing enough to make passing more possible, as in her last statement.
.....The main pint of the post is that it would be possible for some to get minor adjustments done to their appearance and depending on how this person represents himself, it could be quite possible to exists as both male and female.

I agree that, for me anyway, its important to maintain my masculinity to stay connected to the non-cd world - which I do. But I would also love to not have such masculine facial features (ie my chin) that keep me from blending very well. I will never have such surgery because I don't have the finances, neither am I willing to take the substanial risks involved, but it certainly has been an idea I've pondered.

I also fear for those who can never be satisfied with their looks and even though they look perfectly fine, still opt for more surgery. Myself, I would want an independant panel that would be able to say "change this or that to keep your face from shouting 'male', but let the rest be just as it is, it's blendable enough".

[christine55]

If I could pay for it I would in about 2 minutes. I spend most of my time as a woman and make money as a woman. To have a more feminine face would be wonderful!!

Hugs, Christine

[Roberta Marie]

For me personally, no. First, at 6', and being born with mostly masculine features, such as big hands, broad shoulders and size 12 feet, and spending 26 years in the fire service dragging hose, lifting and carrying heavy equipment, I don't think FFS would do much good. There's just too much maleness to the rest of me for a feminized face to make a difference.

Second, I'm a guy in a skirt, and I'm OK with being a guy in a skirt. I can't pass, and I no longer worry about trying to pass. But I don't let that keep me from going out, from expressing who I am. I am who I am, and I like who I am. So, why change who I am?

Grace,
Bobbi

[Starla]

Regardless of the motivation for thinking about it (and there are good and bad reasons), remember the "S" in "FFS" -- it is surgery, with all of the attendant risks. It's not to be taken lightly, like changing your hairstyle. Your face will be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey, and you will spend a long recovery in pain and discomfort while looking like a car crash victim whose face had intimate relations with the windshield. And the results are not universally good -- you might end up with a dramatic, positive change, or end up looking like a freak. Or the results may be so mild as to leave yourself staring into the mirror saying, "I spent how much time, money, and agony...for this?" And whatever the results, you're stuck with them unless you want to go through it all again.

I come at this as someone who cringes at the degree to which plastic surgery is so blithely and casually embraced by so many who look fine to begin with. Vanity can be very self-destructive, and you should be extremely reticent to do anything involving a scalpel and stitches. Unless you look like Abe Vigoda and/or are transitioning to full-time and need to have a more "mainstream" appearance to blend in and not scare dogs and small children, use what God gave you and refine your makeup techniques to make the best of it.

Frankly, judging from the couple of pics of you I see here, if I saw your face looking back at me in the mirror, FFS would not even remotely enter my mind. You look great as is -- and will only look better as you learn more tricks of the trade. Go get a makeover -- hell, get 2 or 3 for "comparison shopping" -- and let an expert show you the sometimes simple things you can do to enhance your natural beauty.

[Loni]

as a dream yes in a hart beat...so long as someone else pays the bill.
make my jaw smaller. lift my eyes. loose some of the under fat layer. aka puffiness in the face. but not bone skinny.

would not care what the people at work had to say, it would be there problem.

but the after effects on the body. as one said the second, third O no fourth time under the knife.. after a bit you just have a hard monkey looking mask, not even looking like a human anymore.

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[eluuzion]

I am just too logical to push that button. Have I fantasized about it...sure. :daydreaming: But if I would ever take that step with my luck...I would probably end up looking like Joan Rivers. Now that, is scary.:eek:

If I considered a best case scenario, where I came out with attractive results...
Based upon my overzealous curiosity, I would probably end up in the porn industry eventually...:heehee:

So, I know myself well enough to realize that in some areas...I am just too dangerous to be released from my cage...:D

:love:

[DebsUK]

Regardless of the motivation for thinking about it (and there are good and bad reasons), remember the "S" in "FFS" -- it is surgery, with all of the attendant risks. It's not to be taken lightly, like changing your hairstyle. Your face will be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey, and you will spend a long recovery in pain and discomfort while looking like a car crash victim whose face had intimate relations with the windshield. And the results are not universally good -- you might end up with a dramatic, positive change, or end up looking like a freak. Or the results may be so mild as to leave yourself staring into the mirror saying, "I spent how much time, money, and agony...for this?" And whatever the results, you're stuck with them unless you want to go through it all again.

I come at this as someone who cringes at the degree to which plastic surgery is so blithely and casually embraced by so many who look fine to begin with. Vanity can be very self-destructive, and you should be extremely reticent to do anything involving a scalpel and stitches. Unless you look like Abe Vigoda and/or are transitioning to full-time and need to have a more "mainstream" appearance to blend in and not scare dogs and small children, use what God gave you and refine your makeup techniques to make the best of it.

Frankly, judging from the couple of pics of you I see here, if I saw your face looking back at me in the mirror, FFS would not even remotely enter my mind. You look great as is -- and will only look better as you learn more tricks of the trade. Go get a makeover -- hell, get 2 or 3 for "comparison shopping" -- and let an expert show you the sometimes simple things you can do to enhance your natural beauty.

Couldn't agree more. The whole culture originating in celebrity circles that plastic surgery is the easy option is actually quite scary. Any operation carries risks, including death, so is it worth this and a huge amount of cash for something you that is only cosmetic and only applies to part of your life?. Skillful use of makeup and a confident demeanour can work wonders

[Pinky188]

YES!!! But my g.f. wouldnt approve.

[ninapuella]

No i would not get facial feminization, never ever. Even if i like to cross the gender-limits as far as possible i am still male. I have never been thinking of surgery, it seems very unhealthy. Even taking hormones seem to me very risky and playing with fire. i am happy with who i am both as male and female and both sides are needed.

[JohnH]

I would not need anything very radical to be done with me. My forehead is rounded and I do not have a brow ridge, and my jaw is not broad and square. About the only changes I would want would be a narrower and smaller nose and a chin lift, and I would leave it at that.

I don't have an Adams apple in spite of having a very deep voice and long vocal cords.

Johanna

[LitaKelley]

In a perfect world where I'd have unlimited funds, yes, in a heartbeat.. I'd go all the way.. FFS, SRS, hair transplant, breast implants, etc, etc.. the whole 9 yards and do everything necessary to look like a supermodel.. :) Oh yes

[Jay Cee]

I don't think I'd go all out on the FFS, but there are things that I would get done if I had the coin and the time. Face lift, get rid of the excess skin around my chin, reduce the size of my nose, and maybe slightly fuller lips. These are things that (minorly) bother me whether I am in femme or drab mode.

[Sarah Doepner]

I'm too old to go for Full FFS, but I'd like to improve my looks just a little. Just enough so I didn't feel like I lost a fight with cement mixer or was only one generation removed from the Neanderthal side of the family.

[docrobbysherry]

I agree with the "isolating" factor Reine mentioned when changing your appearence.

I'm currently doing online dating. Looking for a woman age 45 to 60. :heehee:
While scrolling thru their pictures, suddenly a pretty 20 something y/o face appeared!:eek:
On careful examination, it turned out her age was 57 and her body looked it! So, do I want to date an older lady with a 27 year old's face? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!:doh:

She appeared to be a freak of nature! Probably an extreme face lift? But in any case, WAY TOO CREEPY FOR ME! And remember, I'm a CDing, blowup doll, manikin!:straightface:

I believe when u perminantly alter your appearance, u will ultimately alienate some of your friends and aquintances. Which means finding new folks, (see; TG friendly), that ACCEPT the new u, or u simply must do with LESS FRIENDS! :sad:

[Avana]

Reine was just pointing out the "freak of nature aspect" to surgical modifications.I think there are a few ways non surgically that help a face become less gender specific...Getting rid of wrinkles,SLIGHT lip injections,hair removal,skin rejuvanation,all help a whole lot. Put the makeup on,and you are mostly there...certainly good enough..Are you going to change your neck and cut off your man hands as well? Of course not!!You have to make the best of what you already have.Living as a freak of nature could get very lonely.



See I just dont think facial feminization in drab is that freaky. Plenty of (lucky) guys have quite feminine features. I dont think it would make anyone a "freak" more than a nose job or boob job as long as its not taken to michael jackson levels.

[JohnH]

i think i'd like to.

I second that you really don't need to change a thing. You already have a beautiful face, much more than most GG's out there.

Johanna

[dennisGTS]

To answer the OP's simplistic question: If I had the money, time, not in the military, and most of all, approval from the wife, I'd definitely do it!

[Babette]

[QUOTE=Starla;2367351]... Unless you look like Abe Vigoda and/or are transitioning to full-time and need to have a more "mainstream" appearance to blend in and not scare dogs and small children, use what God gave you and refine your makeup techniques to make the best of it.
QUOTE]

I think everyone has their reasons for wanting a change. For most of my younger adult life, I thought I needed the opposite treatment - male facial surgery. It was really tough being 35 years old and still looking like Opie Taylor from the Andy Griffith TV Show or John Boy Walton from the Walton's TV show. Even worse is when people tell you that you look more like John Boy's sister. It was tough gaining respect from people or to have them take you serious. I would have given anything to look more macho back then.

Having said that, I learned to follow Starla's advice and made the best of it. No matter how unfortunate I felt about my appearance, I always reminded myself there were people all over the world that were enduring terrible disfigurements from either birth defects or tragic mishaps. Sure, I think many of us including me would still like to tweak our looks. If granted only one wish though, I would help those in desperate need before myself. As for me today, I am so thankful for wondrous invention of cosmetics. Where would the challenge be if I didn't have to work at creating my feminine appearance?

Babette

[Stephanie Anne]

No. I don't need to go under a knife on my face to prove my gender.

[sissystephanie]

NEVER!! I was born a man, anjd always will be a man! I love to wear feminine clothing, but have no desire at all to be a woman! That is part of the reason why my late wife and I had a happy marriage for almost 50 years! She knew from a time before we married that I crossdressed, but also knew that no matter what I wore I was always a man underneath! The Good Lord willing, that will stay that way until I die!

[Rachel Morley]

Humm .... as a part-time crossdresser, it's not really a viable option for money reasons, my wife wouldn't like it, and the fact I'm not full-time. I guess in another world, another time, another place, with more money and if I was full-time, then yeah, I think I'd like to reduce my brow ridge, adjust my nose, and have cheek implants and fuller lips.

[ReineD]

Reine was just pointing out the "freak of nature aspect" to surgical modifications.I think there are a few ways non surgically that help a face become less gender specific...Getting rid of wrinkles,SLIGHT lip injections,hair removal,skin rejuvanation,all help a whole lot.

I don't know what "freak of nature" means. But, I agree that non-surgical changes can be made as you describe and there are also some minor facial surgeries, but these are not full FFS as stated in the initial post.

FFS involves forehead reconstruction, brow lift, jaw & chin reduction, tracheal shave, and likely a nose job & lip lift as well, perhaps cheekbone reconstruction, and if the individual is older, perhaps also a face lift, neck lift, and neck and chin liposuction in order to stretch the skin over all the newly remodeled bones.

Maybe some people here use the term FFS when they rather mean just making a few minor changes. But when you go to plastic surgeons' sites and look at the work done to transitioning TSs, it is apparent that FFS is much more than this.

[Eve_WA]

There are things that I have thought about changing. But I dont think I need or even would want many of the full FFS procedures.

I have thought about a nose job to make it smaller, less knobby, and to make my lips fuller and a little better balanced between my nose and chin. Thats pretty much the extent of my primary wish list. If money and time werent a concern, I might consider a tracheal shave, a slight reshape of my chin and some higher cheeks. But I already have slight features for a man. Id basically want to just plump a few things up a bit, and shave a few others down.

Given that, I see too many botched jobs, both on celebrities, and on your average citizen. I am highly reluctant to try anything. Now if celebrities, with all their money and influence cant get a decent job done, what chance have I? Last thing I want to look like is a freak of nature (aka Micheal Jackson). Ive seen too many Hollywood plastic that looked just plain unnatural. Balance that with all the work that didnt turn out as expected (scarring, unbalanced and misshapen) I really dont know how willing I would be, even given the money and time. But thats just me. I have also seen some extraordinary work out there, where one would be hard pressed to tell if something was done, if you hadnt seen the before and after pics. But knowing my luck...

That said. I really dont think its that difficult to live a dual life with feminine features. Ive dealt with it most of my life. The hardest part was when young, and being teased by classmates and bullies. I really havent gotten much flack as Ive gotten older, even with the other things Ive done (plucked brows, long nails, etc) that enhance these features. I think it mostly comes down to attitude.

Thats my two cents.
Eve

[Joann Smith]

yeah !

[MJ]

in a heartbeat and anything else i could get for good measure

[Cassandra Lynn]

If i were suddenly magically wealthy, i would have alot of work done, but strictly to feminize? No.

For me it would be a matter of tweaking and fixing the nose, some fairly extreme dental work and removing some folds on the eye lids. None of it would be femininization per say, but the end result would deffinitely go along ways to towards being prettier ala femme.

This work would also go along ways towards making my male self happier as well, so no, it wouldn't necessarily have to be about femininizing. Sorry, if that is not in the spirit of the thread.
Cassie

[NathalieX66]

If I didn't have a strong guy identity, as well as my femme identity, I think I would do everyhting in my power to go down the full route, no holds barred. I am visual and artistic person that seeks perfection.

There was a recent thread about "middle-path" people, and I am one of them. So I guess thus rules me out of the FFS category.

[Ediosa]

If somehow they can have Cindy Crawford hair implanted into my bald scalp, then I will gladly go through the surgery. I also mean hair that will continue to grow and look healthy and beautiful. Other than that, no, unless I was to go full time, which I will never do.

[Rebecca Jayne]

Only if it was in a computerized fantasy world
I'm to old n ugly to change the wrapper on this pkg.

I just look in the mirror and look deep into my soul to see my inner self, the problem is I just can't project that image oh well.

[celeste26]

Well SRS is usually done only if it is a case of absolutely necessary if it is possible to live without it then do without it. Likewise so is FFS if a person feels that they absolutely must do it and cannot live without it (and have the ability to pay for it) then carefully choose the surgeon and go for it. So many of the things we CD's do is expensive and FFS is just one more case where that is true.

Given the fact that GG's have basically the same types of faces and some do look very masculine I would spend the money learning all the make up tricks that the experts know and use successfully for them.

[lavistaa62]

You can go here: http://allaboutffs.blogspot.com/2010/09/httpwwwvirtualffscouk.html to see what you might look like give various procedures- not advocating anyone get them but they'd give you an idea of how much good it would do. Myself, I'd like to see what makeup, wigs and attitude can do- it's likely about as much as FFS could. That said, there are lots of males I know with very feminine faces. Being CD you notice these things:) If you were relocating, etc probably nobody would notice but having it done without tons of other life changes would likely be a shock to those who know you.

[curiousrabbit]

You can go here: http://allaboutffs.blogspot.com/2010/09/httpwwwvirtualffscouk.html to see what you might look like give various procedures- not advocating anyone get them but they'd give you an idea of how much good it would do. Myself, I'd like to see what makeup, wigs and attitude can do- it's likely about as much as FFS could. That said, there are lots of males I know with very feminine faces. Being CD you notice these things:) If you were relocating, etc probably nobody would notice but having it done without tons of other life changes would likely be a shock to those who know you.

I wouldn't trust a graphic designer just going in and altering a photo... you just play with the warp tool and clone stamps and you can make the face look like ANYTHING (really, anything...even a 50 eyed alien). What you can do with photoshop FAR outdistances what you can do with surgery or where our technology is at and the reasonable expectations of surgery.

[Rogina B]

What if it didn't heal right and the scar tissue looked like a goiter???Unless you are cutting off Willie and getting a pussycat you are still just a guy with a feminine face...There are too many non invasive tuneups possible ,to risk it all from major VANITY surgery.