How many of us are there?

[KrystalA]

At any given time, there are 2 or 3 hundred of us girls on this site. If you take into account all the other sites about CDing, and the vast majority of us there must be who never go to any CD sites, there must be an incredible number of us worldwide. Must be in the millions. I read an article that said 4 out of 10 men have at least tried on women't underwear, and an estimated 2 out of 10 do it on a regular basis. That's a lot of people. Society's taboos are so unfair. :daydreaming:

[Inna]

1 in 700 births is transgender per scientific fact. This number encompasses all aspects of gender flux continuum. To know an actual number for each fraction such as CDers, Transsexuals, etc. will be impossible until such time when it is no longer taboo subject. Looking at our culture though, we seem to digress rather then progress. In the ancient American Indian tribes, Two spirit people were held in high regard. Now transgender are still fighting to get recognized as "People". I'll say in perhaps another 2000 years maybe ( I am being optimistic here :-)!

[BLUE ORCHID]

Hi Krystal,
Untill the Governent makes it mandatory that all CD's register
we will never know for sure just how many of us there are out there I
suspect the number is a lot higher than many people think it is.

Orchid

[BLUE ORCHID]

In the ancient American Indian tribes, Two spirit people were held in high regard. Now transgender are still fighting to get recognized as "People". I'll say in perhaps another 2000 years maybe ( I am being optimistic here :-)![/QUOTE]

Alexia, 2000 Years I don't think that I can wait that long

Orchid

[eluuzion]

hiya KrystalA,

Statistics are just like Pick-Up Stiks...they are both just games with a lot of guessing and fluctuating totals, lol.

In my opinion, 7 out of every 4 men is a crossdresser,
and some crossdressers have trouble with math.:heehee:

Only your hairdresser knows for sure...:heehee:
:love:

[KrystalA]

eluuzion, your estimate may very well be correct...LOL If all the CDers, or even the ones who have tried it once or twice, who don't admit it could be counted somehow, yeah, most everyone, I'd bet.

[sissystephanie]

Krystal, no offense, but why worry about Taboo's? Sure they are there, but we still dress anyway! And yes, there a lot of us men who do dress enfemme. I have been a CD for over 60 years, and don't worry at all about taboo's. I dress enfemme and go out in public virtually every day, but always look like the man that I am since I do not wear a wig or makeup. And hardly anybody pays any attention to me!

I learned long ago not to worry about things over which I have no control!!

[Loni]

alas during a resent outing even a local tribal counsel meeting there was show a small bit of anti toward me. just a "all clear" when i came out of the loo. but a backward step in thinking. or maybe a young girl? i think not as it was a elders meeting.

so yes we have a very long way to go. sad it will not be in our life times.

.

[KrystalA]

Well, Stephanie, where I live, I'm surrounded by nosy, gossipy old people who'd make trouble for me, so I don't dare leave the house en femme. Wish I could though.

[Stephanie Anne]

Well it's not like we tend to answer surveys and come out from behind the curtain so like the number of licks in a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

[StaceyJane]

Well lets count!

1

[Karren H]

Two (since you can't post one character!!).

[AnnaCalliope]

3.

On a side note, one of my college professors once told us "42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot."

[Julieanne]

1 in 700 births is transgender per scientific fact.

Alexia -- I am definitely not trying to cause a problem or be negative. I'm just interested as to where that statistic came from. I'd like to look it up.

Respectively, Julieanne

[larry]

Geez I have tears in my eyes from laughing. Thanks


hiya KrystalA,

Statistics are just like Pick-Up Stiks...they are both just games with a lot of guessing and fluctuating totals, lol.

In my opinion, 7 out of every 4 men is a crossdresser,
and some crossdressers have trouble with math.:heehee:

Only your hairdresser knows for sure...:heehee:
:love:

[tamarav]

Just a wild guess, but I would say there are more than 100...

[linnea]

I believe that the numbers are high, but we'll probably never know--yes, more than 100!

[Karren H]

3.

On a side note, one of my college professors once told us "42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot."

You just made that up, didn't ya? Lol.

[RADER]

Let's petition Congress to ask at the next census to count the crosses-dressers.
Say the count has to do with funding of something.
Why not, the information is to be kept confidential Right? LOL Rader

[Sarah Doepner]

1,248.04 in 1950
3,844.81 in 1960
....
....
117,662.112 in 2000
215,109.073 in 2010

In other words, I don't have a clue and I doubt the data exists to come up with an honest figure. Leave it to say there are enough crossdressers that you don't have to feel you are alone in this. No one does.

[RADER]

Maybe we should be thanking society about the taboo's of cross-dressing.
The way things are, the Government would put a tax in CDing LOL Rader

[Engendered]

1 in 700 births is transgender per scientific fact.

To echo another reply, I'd like to know where you got this figure. :)

[LIKETODRESS2]

There might be a lot of us but I just wish it was accepted in public. Could you inmaging if everyone that cd went out in public

[Lorileah]

1 in 700 births is transgender per scientific fact. This number encompasses all aspects of gender flux continuum.

that seems awful low. How dd they measure that fact? I have seen 5%-10% 1 in 700 would not even be 1% (.142 actually).

[Nicole Erin]

I would just like to know how many Erins are in the world.
There needs to be more Erins

[susan54]

Imagine if all of us not only felt free to wear the clothes but to buy them openly. This could be the saving of the womenswear retail sector. Let's see ... it would just take one more of me!

[Kaz]

I would just like to know how many Erins are in the world.
There needs to be more Erins

Yup! I'll buy that one! But maybe a few more Kazs too! :hugs:

[deebra]

So lets try to give your best answer to a serious question. Since we would notice/pick-up on other CDers in public more-so than the rest of the public and add in your best estimate as to the CDers that don't show it in public, say out of 500 how many males wear some form of female clothing at least once a month? I would say 20, what say you?

[Kaz]

So lets try to give your best answer to a serious question. Since we would notice/pick-up on other CDers in public more-so than the rest of the public and add in your best estimate as to the CDers that don't show it in public, say out of 500 how many males wear some form of female clothing at least once a month? I would say 20, what say you?

Deebra, it is indeed a serious question and one which I would love to have an answer to, but quite frankly I have no basis on which to make any projection, and so anything I would suggest would be a guess... and the same goes for everyone here.

What would be good would be a proper survey, but even that would not provide the answer because we have no idea about the level of under/over-reporting.

How many crimes are committed every year? How long is a piece of string?

[Lorileah]

Maybe easier if we took a number of TG's say 100. Out of that 100 maybe 75 are closeted. so that leaves 25 who are "out" in some form. Maybe one is a performer and three are transsexuals, so that leaves 21. 5 are fetish dressers and 4 g to Rockey twice a year and 1 dresses for Halloween only so that leaves 11 who dress in some form. Half of those wear underwear only. And maybe one still isn't convinced except on alternate Thursdays.

Ok serious answer is since we don't have hard data as to what a TG or cross dresser is we can't get a solid number when the majority won't admit it and even those that do won't be out. It isn't like being an ethnic group, or a religion, or a native of a country or even a physical characteristic. The answer is more than 1 and less than 10 billion. How many stars are in the sky? All of them.

[sandra-leigh]

Well, how many have you met? I've met a number of people who were cross-dressing, but how do I know if they were cross-dressers ? The members of the social club I go to... if they make it to less than half of the monthly meetings on average, how do I know that they are meeting the once-a-month mininum that one of the above posts proposed as the criteria? The members online here, some of whom have been on for years and posted over 1000 posts, some of them only get to dress every few years (or so they say.)

How do we count? One, two, buckle my shoe?

Do we only count the people who have posted pictures and thus demonstrated that they have indeed cross-dressed at least once? Then how do we know those are pictures of themselves? And how do we know they actually are cross-dressers and not instigators and undercover agents all spying on each others? Or sock-puppets or very subtle trolls?

Suppose that it was, for whatever reason, necessary to prove that you were a cross-dresser. How would you do it? I could point to my basement wardrobe, but maybe I just like going out acting that I'm a cross-dresser...

[Cynthia Anne]

Congress wont do that because they would have to reveal themselves !

[Amy Hepker]

Let's there are millions of us

[Jorja]

There are 3 types of men in this world.

1. Never has and never will try on panties

2. Says he never has even while underdressed

3. Wears his panties with pride

[Kaz]

There are 3 types of men in this world.

1. Never has and never will try on panties

2. Says he never has even while underdressed

3. Wears his panties with pride

Now remind me... what are panties?

[DebsUK]

You're the only one. The rest of us are figments of your imagination. Hang on. I'm a figment of someone else's imagination? Could you not imagine me a bit more feminine? Oh and imagine me with a strawberry margarita typing this if you would please

[Jorja]

Now remind me... what are panties?

That would be knickers for you in the UK.

[Emme]

Is there a record of when we joined. If there is a number assigned...that would be cool. I think I saw a number for our membership of 16,399. Is that close. I want to be 1944. OOps it is midnight today I am 67!! Gotta love these birthdays!!

We could be powerful force in society; if we all work together!

[Ediosa]

I guess I'm number 4.:heehee::D

Well, here is an experience I had. When I went to SCC last year, I went to the new girls room. The first 2 girls I meet lived within one mile where I lived. That was unbelieveable. I thought there was only a few in my area, to find 2 within a mile of where I live. So, there are a ton of us.

:D

[eluuzion]

Ok, I knew I saved some links on this awhile back. There is just not much information on us. (hey, I like that...invisible...these days that is a good thing...in my world anyway...)



The following research paper focuses on Transsexualism statistics, not Transgender. There a couple of estimates stated in the information regarding the total population of Transgender.
Specifically in one statement… (2%-5% of adult male population).
Also see the reference to T.M. Witten, Executive Director of the Trans Science Research Institute. He did a random International sampling which returned 8% response as being something “other” than male or female.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html
How Frequently Does Transsexualism Occur?
by Lynn Conway
Copyright @ 2001-2002, Lynn Conway. All Rights Reserved.
Original article posted on January 30, 2001.
Updated version posted on December 17, 2002.


There will be a pop quiz on this material tomorrow morning. Please bring a sharpened #2 pencil and wear your thinking caps...you can get one here...
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

:love:

[juno]

I think it is reasonable to estimate 1% of the male population, depending on how strict your definition is. There are 6.9 billion humans on this planet. If we assume half are males, and 1% of those are crossdressers, that gives 34.5 million MtF crossdressers world wide. In the USA, those assumptions give about 1.5 million.

[Christy_M]

5

How 'bout this for research...

Locally it is 25% of the sample population. Extrapolate that into the entire worlds population and it would equate to 1.5 billion. Of course the sample population is my household so that may skew the numbers a little. Of course the sample also only has two males which drives the total to 50%. This number may be off a skosh. A statistician would be able to say for sure how close I am to the real number. :)

[Paula Siemen]

Well.... I guess we could start oue own social network and have all the Transgendered and crossdressers register on it. We could call it "TWO-FACED BOOK"!

[Engendered]

Hospital emergency room staff may have a better idea of how many of us there are. (They would at least be able to give a higher lower bound)

[Julogden]

The current estimate of the male population of the US is 151.4 million, and I inherently know ( :heehee: ) that 10% of the male population has or will crossdress for reasons other than laughs, so that means that we have 15.14 million potential CD's in the US.

Actually, I recently read that a survey of male nursing students back in the 1970's (if I'm remembering correctly) resulted in roughly 10% of them responding that they had crossdressed at least partially for reasons other than Halloween or the like. Sounds like a reasonable number to me, so I'm going with that, sounds about right to me, and is probably on the low side.

Carol

[KristaE]

Come one people! We have a fairly large sampling of the populace right here! Let's just find out how many of the men on this site crossdress and we can find out the exact percentage of the world that crossdresses.

Jeez! Making it so complicated. :heehee:

[Cheryl T]

There may be millions of us, but as we all know, that closet is a safe place.
Many sisters are still in there and those of us who are not must do our best to present a good image to the world in the hope of educating others about us. Only then will we bring more into the light and find out the true census.

[Tina B.]

The correect answer is, More than enough. Let me explain, since I game on this site I have heard time after time that women just don't wear dresses anymore, boo.
Well I was at the mall during the holidays, and the stores where full of dresses and skirts with cute blouses. If women don't wear this stuff anymore, and the stores still expect to sell it to somebody, well that must be us! And if there is enough of us to keep the dressmakers working, and the stores selling, then that's all of us I need.
Tina B.

[Babeba]

Yup! I'll buy that one! But maybe a few more Kazs too! :hugs:

well, according to the SSA list of popular baby names in the States, Erin was #194 most popular last year and Kaz was not in the top 1000 any time in the last 11 years. Don't be too disappointed Kaz, Babeba wasn't in there, either!

[JohnH]

There has to be a lot more than one transgendered individuals per 700!

I for one don't understand why the clothing, fashion, shoe, and makeup industries don't target feminine fashions for men. Think of the additional sales! As it is now you have men buying their usual dull items only as needed. Especially think of the makeup industry - if all men started applying makeup sales would almost double!

The fashion industry needs to get with TV producers and make it respectable for men to wear skirts, dresses, hose, heels, and makeup, and then the "dumbed down" men's fashions would come to an end.

Maybe as women take over the reins of business (I believe now there are 3 female college graduates to every 2 males) they will recognize a gold mine that needs to be tapped.

Johanna

[Emme]

Come one people! We have a fairly large sampling of the populace right here! Let's just find out how many of the men on this site crossdress and we can find out the exact percentage of the world that crossdresses.

Jeez! Making it so complicated. :heehee:

I crossdress a lot. who is next?

[Emme]

Especially think of the makeup industry - if all men started applying makeup sales would almost double!

The fashion industry needs to get with TV producers and make it respectable for men to wear skirts, dresses, hose, heels, and makeup, and then the "dumbed down" men's fashions would come to an end.

Johanna

If we wear makeup as men we will be men in mkeup. Kinda like that guy on Entertainment Tonight. I tell my wife all the time...."he needs a dress!"

[JohnH]

If we wear makeup as men we will be men in mkeup. Kinda like that guy on Entertainment Tonight. I tell my wife all the time...."he needs a dress!"

And she probably blows up. I meant that men should also wear dresses - there would be a huge spike in sales if for some reason dresses became the in-thing for men to wear along with the accessories!

There would be more jobs, and maybe this trend might just pull the economy out of the Second Depression.

Johanna

[deebra]

JohannaH, well said, I'm with you, sure wish they would start the change. I think I look so much better in tight jeans and a sweater with my D forms.

[NicoleScott]

1 in 700 births is transgender per scientific fact.

A few of have asked you to quote your source. It's a fair request.

The answer is: I don't know, and nobody does, and nobody will as long as there are those who won't fess up. My guess, not a scientific fact or I'd quote my source, is that there are 5-10% of males, at least in western cultures where you're not likely to be beheaded for it. Among my reasons is the number of businesses that support crossdressing: wigs, shoes, clothing, transformation services, shapewear, etc.etc. Yes, I know that women buy clothes, wigs, and shoes, and there are large women, but I think the numbers are still there. Also, there are cd's who acquire items and do their thing in private and they would never be counted. Just look a the number of online shops that specialize in selling maid's outfit, including larger sizes obviously made for men. It takes a lot of sales to keep these shops open for business. And that's just one narrow crossdressing specialty interest.
I think that a broad definition of crossdressing should be used, and that will get you a larger percentage than a narrow one. Identity and pleasure dressers, those that dress often and those that cannot dress even once a month. When I was young, before acquiring clothes, wigs, shoes, and makeup, my crossdressing activity was just applying lipstck. Later, sometimes just high heels. It all counts as crossdressing.

[Christie ann]

I was a census taker last year and I wanted to add that to my questionnaire...but they wouldn't let me.
1. Are you Mr Smith?
2. Do you live at this address?
3. What is your dress size?

[Lorileah]

The fashion industry needs to get with TV producers and make it respectable for men to wear skirts, dresses, hose, heels, and makeup, and then the "dumbed down" men's fashions would come to an end.



Like that has worked to get the women of the world to dress like the women on Desperate Housewives:brolleyes:

Only when most guys really care about how they look will guy fashions change.

[JohnH]

Only when most guys really care about how they look will guy fashions change.

Maybe when women take the reigns of power in the workplace there won't be the pooh-poohing of women's fashions. It might get to the point that a traditional man's suit won't get a man as far as he would get by wearing something more feminine.

I call your attention to this URL:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?iref=obinsite

Johanna
.

[Babeba]

1 in 700 births is transgender per scientific fact.


A few of have asked you to quote your source. It's a fair request.

In a class I took in my undergrad degree on human biological variation, we read a paper on biological divergences from the dual gender system - people who are xxy, or have abnormal external characteristics at birth - and that paper suggested it was about 0.1-0.2% of the population (total) who in some way don't fit that strict male/female expression - individuals who produce female levels of estrogen and grow breasts while having the functional male equipment, or after puberty menstruating out of male equipment, or growing very male patterned hair when apparently female, having an enlarged clitoris which can become erect, etc. It also mentioned that there are instances where these characteristics are surgically altered to match only one gender right after the birth of a child, and quite often (even if this child were not aware of being born 'different') they would go on later in life to have SRS and 'fix' their gender to the right one.

This study obviously didn't count crossdressers or other transgendered folk who don't have any physical 'symptoms' of what goes on on the inside, just the ones who have a quantifiable physical 'abnormality' from either the male sex or the female sex; but I thought this might be what Alexia was referring to. I'm sorry I can't find the paper and tell you all the reference, I took that class years ago and I've moved since then a couple times!

[sometimes_miss]

Easy way to find out how many crossdressers are in the U.S., simply make us income/property/sales tax exempt, with the provision that we have to wear female clothing 100% of the time during any year we claim exemption. I think you'll find a whole lot of crossdressers out of the closet, and it will probably become quite popular among those who had never even considered it before, too. I'm game.........

[JohnH]

Great idea Lexi!

I wonder if the tax exemptions would help pay for the new wardrobe? I'm sure all crossdressers would come out of the closet! Let's see - some unemployed "girl" like myself could stand some new clothes!

Johanna

[Kate Simmons]

A plethora of people who have the penchant for pursuing positive paradigms pertaining to personal preference.:)

[Julie Gaum]

In the revised edition of "Never Climbed His Mountain" to be re-published, I hope, in 20012 there is a new chapter added that deals mainly with the approx. 85% of CDs who are either
solely underdressing or are out but are also heterosexual. Add to that the 15% who are bi, transexual etc. who cross dress as well and my best estimate for the United States is from 3 to 5 million. Granted that's a huge spread for an estimate but you can be comfortable to say it IS in the millions.
Julie

[Lainie]

...there would be a huge spike in sales if for some reason dresses became the in-thing for men to wear...
Johanna

Every few years one of the big fashion houses includes skirts for men in the high-fashion shows on the runway. Then no one buys them, and fashion moves on again.

[Kelly Greene]

6
I have found more websites devoted to explaining and promoting crossdressing than I can count this alone is enough to say that actual number of crossdressers is larger than the 1% of the population that is estimated on a couple of websites.

[gwenbeth]

ok So i decided to so a a sample at work. I went into each office/room in the office and counted how many crossdressers were in each one. I stopped counting at about 35. But i think my numbers might be off because we don't have that many people in the office. But it seemed that every room I went into had one crossdresser.

On the other hand this was the same method that told me that I had 12 dogs in my house instead of 2

[Julieanne]

Gwenbeth --:cheer::laughing:

Great post. Julieanne

[Christy_M]

A plethora of people who have the penchant for pursuing positive paradigms pertaining to personal preference.:)

...in appearance. I love a good tongue twister.


ok So i decided to so a a sample at work. I went into each office/room in the office and counted how many crossdressers were in each one. I stopped counting at about 35. But i think my numbers might be off because we don't have that many people in the office. But it seemed that every room I went into had one crossdresser.

On the other hand this was the same method that told me that I had 12 dogs in my house instead of 2

It sounds as though you didn't make assumptions about the usual occupants of those offices...in some cases it would have at least doubled.

[Sophie_C]

Honestly, I think that there are quite a few, but it's by no means a large percentage. I'm saying this based on slip-ups I've encountered and pretended I didn't notice on random people throughout my life juxaposed with people truly 'out' and here. I personally don't automatically put gender variance in as part of crossdressing, although there can be some overlap, as people never really address. But, so long as there is DIRE consequence to many people crossdressing, and especially transitioning (losing everything you have, family friends, job, etc), we'll never, ever know how prevalent it is.

But, if I were to give an educated guess (just to have a number), I'd put it at the frequency of homosexuality (7-12% of people). Too bad, we'll never know in this lifetime...

[Sophie_C]

Maybe easier if we took a number of TG's say 100. Out of that 100 maybe 75 are closeted. so that leaves 25 who are "out" in some form.

I also want to comment on this. I actually believe closer to 98 out of 100 gender variant people are closeted. Maybe 95 out of 100 at the least. Just think about of all the people you've ever encountered in day-to-day life and how many people, even those who eventually did transition, were closeted for quite a while.

It's not like people can even talk about it without consequence, so it's really, truly, truly, deep in the closet. Even situations uneducated people would expect to be as understanding (say, gay relationships) will be destroyed, just as much as anything else.

I mean, I've come across one MTF girl per my regular life (disregarding my amazing t-dar in straight nightclubs) and about three or four FTM guys. Believe me, this is damn clear as I've been self-aware of my own internal gender variance for a very, very long time, and kept it boxed away all that time. And, unlike most people, I don't have a wife and kids to protect, so I even have less at stake than others.

[Eryn]

There is one way I can think of to calculate an estimate of CD men out there. It's a bit fanciful and requires access to business data but it might be viable.

Certain businesses such as Payless shoes are likely aware of the fact that many of their supposedly "female" wares are actually worn by men. If one had access to their sales data for various shoe sizes I'd bet that you'd see a nice bell curve with a fairly prominent positive anomaly on the large size end. The deviation from the normal female distribution of a particular size represents sales to males of that particular size. A talented statistician likely could tease some numbers out of the data. I'd really be surprised if such numbers haven't been generated by every major retailer.

Unfortunately, such data is probably held as a competitive secret, so it will likely remain locked in a filing cabinet.

[Jenniferathome]

We'll never know. We simply can't come out as gay people have. I suspect this will never change.

[Tina B.]

Eryn, not sure how well that idea works out, I wear a 10 1/2 size womens shoes, so far in my life I have known at least 3 or 4 women personally that wear the same size. There is just no way that works on the middle sizes. Even the larger sizes, there are some big women out there, not sure anybody has the numbers to tell how many big footed women are out there, or how many men wearing there shoes. Often my wife buys my shoes, that will throw things off, and then there is, just how many pair of shoes do you own? How do you figure that into the data?
There is never away to get more than a general idea of anything that large, people just don't stand still to be counted, and there is always those that get missed. Then when you add how many of us don't want to be counted, I doubt we will ever know in our life time. Tina B.

[Eryn]

It wouldn't be perfect, and it would require a fairly large sample size.

What is really being analyzed is the distortion of the normal distribution curve for women. The normal distribution has already been established by simply measuring a large number of women by human factors studies. No stigma there.

Using that data, a merchant could say, for example, that of every 10000 women they would expect 200 to be size 11. If they actually sold 300 size 11s for every 10,000 shoes sold it would be likely that the extra 100 shoes went to men.

Of course, you'd have to look at other possibilities. Perhaps large-footed women like to have more shoes or wear them out faster, etc. This could be evaluated through normal market research as there is no stigma involved.

Of course, it's way beyond my abilities, but I have a feeling that it's already been done and the results locked in a marketer's safe somewhere! :)

[happy2cd]

"...but I have a feeling that it's already been done and the results locked in a marketer's safe somewhere!"

I suspect Eryn is right about companies such as Payless, Victoria Secrets, Frederick's of Hollywood, etc. having data on CD ing since they get a lot of business from CDers. The demand for sexy plus size lingerie probably isn't that high amongst the large female popultion, but men will likely need the plus size clothes are want the sexier stuff. Also how many women truly wear the size 13 (and beyond) stiletto heels sold through Frederick's of Hollywood and other stores?

We are a market so you can bet that the data is being tracked. I am sure that Big Brother has an inkling that I am a little sister of sorts:)

[herwannabe]

Im #4

[Marjory]

hiya KrystalA,

Statistics are just like Pick-Up Stiks...they are both just games with a lot of guessing and fluctuating totals, lol.

In my opinion, 7 out of every 4 men is a crossdresser,
and some crossdressers have trouble with math.:heehee:

Only your hairdresser knows for sure...:heehee:
:love:
I agree, there are three kinds of people in the world, those who know math and those who don't!

[Claire Cook]

hiya KrystalA,

Statistics are just like Pick-Up Stiks...they are both just games with a lot of guessing and fluctuating totals, lol.

In my opinion, 7 out of every 4 men is a crossdresser,
and some crossdressers have trouble with math.:heehee:

Only your hairdresser knows for sure...:heehee:
:love:


Geez I have tears in my eyes from laughing. Thanks

:lol: As should we all!

[VanessaVW]

We are probably the more committed crossdressers, I guess, since we belong on this site and post on a regular basis. You'd have to think that there are many others who are in the closet or don't have internet access or perhaps don't know of this forum.

[Katherine1951]

In the ancient American Indian tribes, Two spirit people were held in high regard. Now transgender are still fighting to get recognized as "People". I'll say in perhaps another 2000 years maybe ( I am being optimistic here :-)!

Alexia, 2000 Years I don't think that I can wait that long

Orchid[/QUOTE]

Yeah, me too, I'll be 2059 years old and need makeup by the gallons to fill the wrinkles.
};^D

[Katherine1951]

alas during a resent outing even a local tribal counsel meeting there was show a small bit of anti toward me. just a "all clear" when i came out of the loo. but a backward step in thinking. or maybe a young girl? i think not as it was a elders meeting.

so yes we have a very long way to go. sad it will not be in our life times.

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I'll bet a lot of American Indians were crossdressers, didn't they use the scalps to make their wigs? :)))))

[Katherine1951]

There has to be a lot more than one transgendered individuals per 700!

I for one don't understand why the clothing, fashion, shoe, and makeup industries don't target feminine fashions for men. Think of the additional sales! As it is now you have men buying their usual dull items only as needed. Especially think of the makeup industry - if all men started applying makeup sales would almost double!

The fashion industry needs to get with TV producers and make it respectable for men to wear skirts, dresses, hose, heels, and makeup, and then the "dumbed down" men's fashions would come to an end.

Maybe as women take over the reins of business (I believe now there are 3 female college graduates to every 2 males) they will recognize a gold mine that needs to be tapped.

Johanna

Makeup? more than double, we need more cover... ;)

Fashion? the 70's were great with their uni-sex fashions, it was also ok for men to wear pink, yellow and shades of purple, sure wish "Prince" would have cought on more as a fashion copy, I loved the heels and frilly lace.

Gold Mine? Let's all kick $100.00 each into an account somewhere, get some business minded CD's to incorporate us all, and start a nationwide and worldwide chain if MtF fashion, lingerie and makeup stores, we can even start our own clothing, makeup and perfume lines. We then register our customer's like Radio Shack does, and that should get us close to a percentage number, not to say earn each of us some money to pay for our wardrobes.

[Katherine1951]

A plethora of people who have the penchant for pursuing positive paradigms pertaining to personal preference.:)

Plethora? I think you saw the movie "Roxanne" with Steve Martin too many times :^D , only kidding
Kat

[UNDERDRESSER]

There is one way I can think of to calculate an estimate of CD men out there. It's a bit fanciful and requires access to business data but it might be viable.

Certain businesses such as Payless shoes are likely aware of the fact that many of their supposedly "female" wares are actually worn by men. If one had access to their sales data for various shoe sizes I'd bet that you'd see a nice bell curve with a fairly prominent positive anomaly on the large size end. The deviation from the normal female distribution of a particular size represents sales to males of that particular size. A talented statistician likely could tease some numbers out of the data. I'd really be surprised if such numbers haven't been generated by every major retailer.

Unfortunately, such data is probably held as a competitive secret, so it will likely remain locked in a filing cabinet.

On another thread, I posted a link to my preferred panties, on the review section, there were 50 replies, 3 of them from men who admitted to wearing panties exclusively. Again, not even close to conclusive, but I think there are a lot more of us than the general populace thinks. As a guess, I would think that 25% of guys could be persuaded to admit to having had an "interest" maybe 15-10% who have done it in any significant way. I do find it interesting that Jockies is making a panty that fits male and female bodies equally well.
There are 3 types of men in this world.

1. Never has and never will try on panties

2. Says he never has even while underdressed

3. Wears his panties with prideHow about this, there are 2 types of men in the world, those that tried panties and liked it, and those that will..

OK, a few that try it and don't like it!

[Diana Rae]

There's no way to get even close to the correct number. I know a few of us who have not been counted, just in my life. I never leave the safety of my home (orders from the wife). So how would they know about me? Lots more out there just like me.

[Kelly DeWinter]

Plethora? I think you saw the movie "Roxanne" with Steve Martin too many times :^D , only kidding
Kat

Plethora is the the plural of pleather which is the pelt from a psdo cow from which pleather garments are made for Drag Queens.

[busker]

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I have found more websites devoted to explaining and promoting crossdressing than I can count this alone is enough to say that actual number of crossdressers is larger than the 1% of the population that is estimated on a couple of websites.
very often i have noticed , that one company can own a lot of related websites that are just a bit different to attract different audiences. so i would be hard to use that as a basis, but places like URNOTALONE have members by state and category and I think it woulc be the start of something bit--numbers-wise.
Kinsey's study also included cding and perhaps a good statistician could do a modern projection of those numbers.

[busker]

Makeup? more than double, we need more cover... ;)

Fashion? the 70's were great with their uni-sex fashions, it was also ok for men to wear pink, yellow and shades of purple, sure wish "Prince" would have cought on more as a fashion copy, I loved the heels and frilly lace.

Gold Mine? Let's all kick $100.00 each into an account somewhere, get some business minded CD's to incorporate us all, and start a nationwide and worldwide chain if MtF fashion, lingerie and makeup stores, we can even start our own clothing, makeup and perfume lines. We then register our customer's like Radio Shack does, and that should get us close to a percentage number, not to say earn each of us some money to pay for our wardrobes.

Funny you should mention that--I had a dream (and I don't really dream all that much)--that I wanted to open a store called "Heels for Men"!

[Katherine1951]

Funny you should mention that--I had a dream (and I don't really dream all that much)--that I wanted to open a store called "Heels for Men"!

Well we are both in California, how close I can't determine because your city is not listed. Why don't we hit some banks, apply for some loans together, and open the first store of the chain around here. I see hundreds of empty store fronts, from businesses that didn't make it, mostly food chains (it's hard to make a go with a Mexican Restaurant, when there are four more on the same block).

Specialty stores seem to have the best sucess rate. Because of the current economy, building owners will jump at the chance to get their empty, non money producing floor space rented or leased out. I don't know if you are familiar with the Hawthorne Mall, it's gigantic, multi leveled, and has all its entrances fenced up because it is closed.

We find a location and put a high fence around the parking lot that blocks out street view. Patrons will have privacy from their cars, to the store, and back. Obscuring public view from pedestrians and vehicle. How about "Finding Dorothy" as one name suggestion? That way only our crowd will identify with the connection. But we can figure that out later.

Any others out there interested in getting in on this? I've become invigorated just thinking about it.

Later,
Kat

Kat

[Xandria]

Olyslager and Conway presented a paper[28] at the WPATH 20th International Symposium (2007) arguing that the data from their own and other studies actually imply much higher prevalence, with minimum lower bounds of 1:4,500 male-to-female transsexuals and 1:8,000 female-to-male transsexuals for a number of countries worldwide. They suggest the prevalence might be as high as 1:500 births overall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexualism

[KarenCDFL]

Hi Krystal,
Untill the Governent makes it mandatory that all CD's register
we will never know for sure just how many of us there are out there I
suspect the number is a lot higher than many people think it is.

Orchid

And thankfully the government does not do this. All the extra security we have now "for our own good" is quite enough thank you. I can only imagine having to walk around with little pink stars pinned to our clothing.

End of rant.