Do you identify with the LGBT movement?

[OccasionalSkirt]

I know this will probably rile some feathers, but here it goes:

I, honestly, can't identify with the LGBT movement. Don't get me wrong, I honestly don't care what peoples sexual identity is or the various reasons they identify as such. I've had gay folks work for me (and I've worked for a gay boss at one point) and I've never really had a problem with it, since people are people, and I treat everyone fairly.

But, as a crossdresser, I view what I do as just having fun. I enjoy dressing up, and on occasion, I maybe contemplate living as a woman. But then reality sets back in, and I realize I was born as a guy, and that I enjoy being a guy, so I keep it divided in my head.

In college, I could never identify with the LGBT groups. I always thought they seemed almost militant in their desires to push their beliefs on other people. Me, I just wanted to dress up, and I didn't really care if there was a societal stigma about it.

But, I'm curious: does anyone else keep it divided in their heads like I do? I know there always seems to be a push to "go farther" which would seem to lead to a sex change, but I can't identify with that, and I feel like the LGBT movement (or the pieces of it I've come in contact with) push you in that direction.

Anyway, I'm curious to hear peoples responses. And please don't think I'm a hater!! I won't think badly of anyone for disagreeing with me, I promise!!

-Jen

[Juliemckay]

I haven't really related to any movements per se... I, personally, try to avoid the political side of this topic. I have sat in on several groups in the last year or so. It was the political aspect that made me leave.


That said, the political aspect of this is extremely important and someone needs to carry that banner. That person will not be me. For a national acceptance to occur, there needs to be someone who is going to have put this in the public eye. For that, I will thank them

[StaceyJane]

For a long time I didn't because I knew I wasn't gay but over the past few years as I have come out as a crossdresser and TS I have really began to see the importance.
That's why I have made a bunch of videos at my old college Baylor University. It's a Southern Baptist school and very homophobic. I've crossdressed all over the place. The admin building, stadium, basketball games, in front of the dorms and I've put it all on Youtube for the world to see.
It's my hope that TG students at Baylor may see a proud alumni who is transgendered.

[Juliemckay]

For a long time I didn't because I knew I wasn't gay but over the past few years as I have come out as a crossdresser and TS I have really began to see the importance.
That's why I have made a bunch of videos at my old college Baylor University. It's a Southern Baptist school and very homophobic. I've crossdressed all over the place. The admin building, stadium, basketball games, in front of the dorms and I've put it all on Youtube for the world to see.
It's my hope that TG students at Baylor may see a proud alumni who is transgendered.


OMG!! That's disgusting


You went to baylor?

:D:D

[kimdl93]

Interesting. I haven't been involved in the LGBT movement, but I'm very sympathetic, since on I score a BT on the LBGT Matrix ;)

No seriously, I do think its understandable and appropriate that individuals from the community feel strongly enough to speak out on behalf of thier rights (or lack thereof) in society. Although that may be uncomfortable for some people of any inclination, its part of the process. The world won't become more tolerant on its own...it needs to be nudged grudgingly along.

[StaceyJane]

OMG!! That's disgusting


You went to baylor?

:D:D

That's what it says on my diploma

Best place to crossdress in Waco.

[Lynn Marie]

Nope, I don't identify with the LGBT movement, but I've invariably gone to an LGBT club when going out dressed for no better reason than I get accepted without question and even made to feel special.

So for that reason and a few others I support the LGBT movement, just don't identify with it.

[Juliemckay]

That's what it says on my diploma

Best place to crossdress in Waco.

I'm just giving you a bit of grief... I took years of that due to what college I went to (MSU), from my co-workers in texas

[ak88gurl]

I don't identify with the LGBT movement in that I separate sexual orientation and gender identity, and gender identity with crossdressing.

I have to say though that I do care about there being a societal stigma, and that's part of how I do relate to the LGBT movement, especially as someone going into the Army.

I go dressed up to a lesbian bar a lot of times, because the people are accepting there and I'm less likely to get hit on as much by guys as at some gay bars. Anyway one gg I met there I feel I relate to a lot, cause she goes out with her girlfriend and isn't going to be ashamed of who she is, but her father is a pastor, so she's not out to her family and some of her friends. I don't come from a military family, but most of my closest friends are in the military, and I don't think my dad would take it too well either still to be honest. I wish I could serve without being worried about the stigma in society.

I don't consider myself "militant" as far as crossdressing, I just wish I didn't have to worry about what those closest to me think, same as my friend who's a lesbian. So the social stigma is an issue for me in that sense.

[cordgrass]

This totally doesn't make sense to me. Then again I'm very liberal, politically. I suppose for the closet CD who never goes out it doesn't make a difference, but I think for two groups--heterosexual CD's and out-in-public CD's, helping with LGBT things is just common sense. LGBT helps make the "T" more mainstream and accepted, so that GG's don't freak out so much at the concept. And of course the LGBT movement fights against discrimination, so that those who are out in public have a movement that has their back.

For that matter, the more out non-passable CD's, the more likely that GG's might be open to dating them.

[Fab Karen]

"push their beliefs on other people" -the same rhetoric that was used against black people having rights. Sadly it's deemed "ok" to push your beliefs on others if you're heterosexual, or an extreme religious zealot.
The old saying is true: "United we stand, divided we fall."

[Juliemckay]

...For that matter, the more out non-passable CD's, the more likely that GG's might be open to dating them.

Really? Not that I'm looking mind you.


The acceptance of us gender blenders is not only within the straight community, but the gay community as well. The T part of that GLBT is the ugly red-headed step child in that equations

[Nikki A.]

I have met many TGs and consider them friends, have been to a couple of Rennaisance meetings and outings and belong to a TG group. I admire their courage, and hope that they all find the peace and happiness that they are looking for. As for myself though I don't think that I personally identify with the movement although I would fight for their right for acceptance in my own way whenever I could.

[Holly]

I identify as a human rights activist. It often coincides with the LGBT agenda. I actually volunteer at an LGBT youth center. The "T" population is a very small percentage of the center's makeup. I believe it is because it still the least understood of the "alternative lifestyles" and, therefore, the scariest for young people to embrace and accept. I hope I can show them that there is life after coming out at transgendered.

[meri]

CDers and TS seem to issue from a different gate than the classic, flag waving gay or lesbian. I think it's because those "in the movement" are aggressive in propounding their lifestyle and beliefs. Further, there is a "gay" look and a "gay" lisp, both of which I find offensive. So, it's amazing to me that I feel this way and I already know it's something I need to work on personally, I know it's *my* problem.

Now, if I simply think about a guy with a male partner or visa-versa, it doesn't both me -- it's fine, it's your choice. I think it's the "movement" that annoys me, the "in your face" thing that gets under my skin. That's not my style and from what I have read here (mostly passive, happy ladies), it's not yours either....

[Lorileah]

I know this will probably rile some feathers, but here it goes:

I, honestly, can't identify with the LGBT movement. Don't get me wrong, I honestly don't care what peoples sexual identity is or the various reasons they identify as such. I've had gay folks work for me (and I've worked for a gay boss at one point) and I've never really had a problem with it, since people are people, and I treat everyone fairly.

But, as a crossdresser, I view what I do as just having fun. I enjoy dressing up, and on occasion, I maybe contemplate living as a woman. But then reality sets back in, and I realize I was born as a guy, and that I enjoy being a guy, so I keep it divided in my head.


Youth is wasted on the young. There is one thing that is revealing in that quote.
I maybe contemplate living as a woman.. So now it is all fun and games for you but someday you may awaken and realize that it wasn't just fun, it was who you are. So go ahead and not identify now, the LGBT community will always be there for you later...or not. The attitude of we don't need them is fascinating to me and I see us being left further and further behind because we don't want to be associated with the "gay" crowd. They may get equal rights and you will be standing on te street corner still considered a fetishist or clown or freak. Why? Because you don't identify with them. Right now you enjoy the openess that the community offers. Keep telling yourself it does not affect you. Yeah, lots of people have said taht in the past. "Hey, why should I care? It isn't important to me. What I am (or do) isn't really a part of that." And then suddenly it is. The world is in constant flux. You "blend" away now. You keep your secret hidden but someday...

I always bring out the poem by Martin Neimoller when this type of post comes up. I won't quote it now because maybe you will take the time to look it up. But tunnel vison will come back to bite you. So don't associate with a movement. What the heck, after all, the colonists thought the same thing. I don't drink tea so who cares if they tax it? I have extra grain so who cares if teh crown takes half? I really don't want freedom, I have...a cow and 8 acres. The crown owns that too? Eh, I am not part of the "movement". Until it is on your doorstep.

Don't be part of the LGBT community. Your job is safe. After all you don't hurt anyone dressing in your own home. But your boss has the ability to fire you because of what you do in your own home. But don't worry about that it is just "fun". You can marry now but what if it is decided that you cannot because of your "hobby"? You can go anywhere but what if you are labeled an offender because they decide what you do is a deviation? What if you are accused of being a deviate? Eh...don't be part of the movement. It won't happen. right??? right????

This is the land of the free. The patriots (the real ones) didn't need to be part of the movement either. Martin Luther King didn't need to be part of a movement. Ceasar Chavez didn't. Moshe Dyan. None needed to be part of a movement. You didn't have to be in that movement, but whether you realize it or not you reaped the benefits.

You don't feel you need to be part of it because to you it is a game. You think you will out grow it and maybe you will. But when they come for you who will stand up?

(PS You did rile a few feathers. Luckily not ostrich feathers)

[LitaKelley]

I'm not sure what my position on it is, because LG&B are sexual orientations while T is not, but then it gets even more complicated because T is an all encompassing umbrella term which includes various gender identities, etc.. and many of them under T may or may not be LG or B.

I can't identify at all with LG or B, because I'm H, however, because I am T, if and when I transition, I'd no longer be H, but L, so, in the end, I suppose LGBT is correct.. strange how this works, lol Some people use Q even using it to include T, but I don't like that word being used collectively to include T because Q used to be predominately used as pejorative slang for G and I equate Q with N... but see, because LG & B are sexual orientations, this is how I'm thinking, instead of the thing we all share in common, which is stigmata, discrimination, etc

As for the LGBT community, I'm glad it's there.. because if it were not for all the various groups and organizations, etc that make up LGBT, then life would be more difficult for my gay cousin, and for my lesbian sister and several LG or B friends..and I'm glad it includes T, because it makes it safer for people like me and you to go out in public and live our lives...


edit: after having written this, I decided, YES, I DO identify with LGBT.. because T represents ME and whenever I meet Sisters at Club 313 there are some people there that are L, some that are G, some that are B and some that are T and everyone's happy and having FUN all under the same roof.... :)

[RachelOKC]

If you replaced the word "movement" with "community" would you feel differently?

Like having a family, we TG's are part of a community, for better or worse. We have members who are just like us, we have members who are nothing like us. We quarrel, we stand together. We are political, we are apolitical. We say nothing, we speak out for our rights. You may not be part of the community, but the community welcomes you anyway by your very nature.

As far as being part of a movement, are you GLBT in any way imaginable? Do you ever do anything in your TG life that interacts with another individual in any way at all? Are you posting on a TG message board? Your involvement in this message board - this very post - is building a discussion and collective awareness of TG issues. If that's not part of a movement in its own small way, then I don't know what is.

[Paula_56]

Yes, becasue to the rest of the world we are all queer, one and the same. the have built the foundation the the transgendered house stands

[t-girlxsophie]

I have awesome LGBT friends,but yes I have had antagonism directed towards me from a few within the ranks,the ones that perturbed me,the most were from Transexual's,Ive had the "Oh! your JUST a Tranny" comment (more than once) and one time someone i thought of as a friend refused to walk down the street with me,(that saddened me greatly) but I have LGBT friends that I would defend to the hilt,and love dearly.Just everyone is different and there is a damn sight more positivity out there than not,It would be a much harder road to travel WITHOUT the LGBT community IMO,mostly in our corner.Cant please every one much as we wish we could

:hugs:Sophie

[SamanthaS]

I understand how you feel, but I do identify with LGBT :) To some point I think just like you do, but there is a part of me that feels like a minority; so I think that if I had to be given a label it's LGBT.

[Misty G]

When you loose your job or your home because you like to crossdress then you might wish the LGBT had been there a little sooner. But then again most T people are still hiding so far in the closet that they think they will never need the support of the LGBT. After all they are out there fighting for our rights to some extent. Where most crosssdressers are still hiding in their safe little closet.

Don't forget about the crossdresser that was fired from Winn-Dixie because some one he worked with found out. It could happen to you.

I don't agree with every thing that the LGBT stands for but at least they have made some progress in gaining some rights where even the T's were included. But until the Trans people stand up and speak for them selves better accept what the LGBT can do for us.

[BiancaEstrella]

I wouldn't say I identify, in a literal sense. I'm not lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered.

However, I have friends in all four categories, and am sympathetic to their struggle for equality. I also support the NOH8 campaign. So I guess that makes my answer "kinda."

[Charleen]

Yes I'm active in the LGBT movement/community. I identify with the B but mostly with the T. In the past few months I've attended Fests in both Savannah and Jacksonville to not only show support but to also let them know that us trans people are around. I also give my support to a few organizations that promote equity. I figure as a T-girl, if I don't show support, who will?

[docrobbysherry]

I think "Trans" r the tail on the lesbi/gay/bi dog!
As others have said, the first 3 r sexual orientations. Trans may NOT BE! I don't understand why TGs want to be involved with the LGB community? Is it purely political? Maybe someone that's political can explain that? :brolleyes:

I predict that one day, they will STAND ALONE! ( U heard it here FIRST!):D



I know there always seems to be a push to "go farther" which would seem to lead to a sex change, but I can't identify with that, and I feel like the LGBT movement (or the pieces of it I've come in contact with) push you in that direction.
-Jen

Jen, as I stated, I'm not political, but I've never heard ANYONE ELSE say that LGBs want TGs to become women!? Maybe u mean the Ts in LGBTs want that? I've never heard THAT either! Did I misunderstand u?:eek:

[sissystephanie]

I don't literally support the LGBT movement, but I do recognise their need for equality! I hope that someday they will achieve it, maybe when we as CD's also achieve equality!

[JamieG]

I'm a big supporter of the LGBT organization at my work place. Most think I am just an ally, but I have come out to the director. Although the membership is mostly "L","G" or "B", the director actively supports the "T", and they do mean transgendered by the "T", so it's crossdressers and gender queer as well as transexuals. I have many gay friends, most of whom do not fit the stereotype (not that I would avoid someone who did fit it). It p*sses me off that they cannot marry their longtime partner in most states, yet drug-addled starlets and rock stars can have marriages that last only 24 hours. I am mad that even in our more enlightened times where there are many openly-gay public figures, that young people feel the need to commit suicide when some jerk tapes them and exposes their sexuality on the internet. How can you have a heart and not support LGBT causes? We of all people should have some empathy for people with alternative lifestyles, and it can be self-serving too: the more the public accepts them, the easier it will be for us.

[Shayna2008]

While sexual orientation and gender identity/expression are two different things, the thing that we all do have in common is that we are all marginalized groups. We all just want to live our day-to-day lives without fear, stigma, discrimination, etc. I've always saw it that way and have never felt I was being "lumped" with gays, lesbians and bisexuals "just because". The LGBT movement makes our presence known and shows that while we're not the majority of society, our voices and concerns DO mean something.

I think every group and/or movement seems to have "militant" members. Unfortunately, they often end up causing more damage than what they are striving to stop. This goes for religious groups, political ones, or whatever. I think they scare others and make everyone look bad. I personally think it's hypocritical when I hear about gay people not liking TG people and vice-versa. It's hard to feel for someone who wants acceptance and respect when they don't show it to others themselves. This is an interesting topic to me because I personally consider myself bisexual and transgender.

It feels good knowing were all together in the fight for respect, dignity, rights and such. I have been to Pride festivals and parades here in Austin TX and they always seem to make an effort to include transgender aspects in their events. It really does make me happy and thankful to see this.

[Rogina B]

We need everyone to gain acceptance of our right to practice our lifestyle as well.Acceptance is very important and the" movement" is out there and growing general acceptance.I don't want the Bible thumping whack jobs to rule my life..I don't ned their thoughts on how i should live!

[Debglam]

I was going to pass this one by after a long, aggravating day but decided I couldn't. Fortunately Lorileah is right on point. Two key points in particular.

First,


Youth is wasted on the young.

Or as Bob Dylan said: "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." You live and hopefully you learn. I'm not gay so why should I care about them. . . that is until I got to know more of them. I have had a number of situations, a couple recently, where the ONLY one who stood up for me even when they had nothing to gain by doing so was homosexual. That in my book is CHARACTER! It wasn't much of a leap to see that if a community contains such members maybe it deserves my (our) support.

Additionally there is empathy. Didn't we all (at least most of us) start as that scared little boy that KNEW something was "wrong" with them, whether the issue was gender or sexual orientation?


I always bring out the poem by Martin Neimoller when this type of post comes up.

Excellent point. If we don't stand up for and with the LG & B's, who will be left when they come after the T's??? As Ben Franklin said, "We all hang together or we all hang separately." I know it isn't always reciprocal, but I hope that most of the LGB community feels the same way. We are all the same in the eyes of the haters.

[Kate Simmons]

Regardless of what "cause" it is, you cannot force a concept down people's throats and make them accept it. There will always be some kind of resentment, not to mention the "lazy bettys" who ride on the coat tails of other folks' efforts. The best way to do it is to win people over one heart at a time while showing what we , ourselves, are and what we are made of. The human adventure is just beginning, albeit at this stage of the game more or less a day late and a dollar short. Even so, demonstrating our humanity is the important thing, despite our particular persuation.:)

[ArleneRaquel]

My signature tells in all, and I"m getting more active day by day.

[DeeInGeorgia]

I do like the statement someone made about community in place of movement. I am a gender bender. I was a charter member of the company LGBT Affinity group. I have given a presentation to the Diversity Council at work on gender identity and expression. From a crossdresser viewpoint, the CDer needs to support the LGBT community because when people become comfortable with G&Ls, the question about a CDer being gay does not have the stigma that it has now. Being a CDer, I got over being worried if someone thought I was gay. So what?

For the Transsexual, post op or non op or in between, depending on the state, your marriage if you get married is same sex marriage in somebody's eyes. Take Chaz Bono and his girlfriend. Some states will allow them to marry because he is male, some states won't, even with an amended birth certificate. We need equality for all.

For those in between, the gender bender, androgenous, until people are comfortable non traditional gender expression, until our partners are comfortable with being considered L&G because of our appearance, until people are comfortable with G&Ls, they will consider us gay, and will be uncomfortable or dislike us due to association.

We all have a need to support the LGBT community, even if we are uncomfortable with part of it due to our own prejudices, we must work on our prejudices. It helps us to grow, become more empathic, and be better people.

Going back to the CDs, the closet or even out of the closet CDers, A community more accepting of the LGBT community makes life better for the CDer, there can be less stress worrying about being found out, you can be a happier, more expressive you because you no longer have to hide a part of yourself. Your self esteem rises.

So even if you don't identify as identifying as part of the LG T community, the benefits the community receives from your help as a straight ally will help you.

So if you don' want to be Out", don't be, but be a straight ally.

Deanna

[NathalieX66]

I support LGBT, but I'm not really interested in activism, because A: I'm not gay, and B: I'm not transsexual. I have enough battles in my own life that have nothing to do with said topic.
However, I do occasionally like to read Pam Spaulding's blog pamshouseblend.com, because she does such a magnificent job of exposing the people in right wing American politics that I hate the most.

[KristaE]

If you replaced the word "movement" with "community" would you feel differently?

OK, but there is a huge difference between the community and the movement. I sympathize and support the community, but I don't feel the same way about the movement. I think in some ways it goes too far. As others have said, I believe in basic human rights and I don't care who sleeps with who. I also don't think people should be discriminated against because of who they choose to sleep with. However, I believe that is a negative right, not a positive right (if you haven't encountered those terms before, read up on "positive rights" vs. "negative rights"... I believe it is completely backwards to believe in any positive rights because positive rights necessitate violating someone else's rights... but I digress.)

[MonicaTC]

I support the LGBT movement completely, and that means for me helping spread a more openminded and accepting attitude of all LGB, and especially T's in our society. I also support the movement, of those within it more precisely, to help spread a more accepting attitude with the movement itself as well. Every movement also has to face it's own ugliness within.

Monica

[Chloe Renee]

Yup, I help with the T in LGBT. I really am a reluctant advocate. I just cannot give all the causes I support all my time. I have been doing more, as time goes on.

[GaleWarning]

I treat all people as people.
I condemn those who discriminate against someone on the basis of their race, class, sexual orientation, creed, etc.
By the same token, I cannot abide those in the LGBT community who cry, "gay bashing!" whenever they behave like idiots and are rightly condemned for their idiocy, not their orientation.
Our MP, Chris Carter, is a perfect example of what I am trying to say.

So I suppose I am ambivalent. Gay rights are all very well, but they have to be matched with gay responsibilities.

[Sophie86]

I support anyone who actively campaigns for individual rights. Unfortunately, I think that the LGBT political movement is poisoned by identity politics, which places a heavy emphasis on political correctness, and labels. (I'm also opposed to solutions to social problems that require government coercion, but we'll leave that out of the discussion.) As an example, I recently encountered activist-type transexuals ridiculing pictures of crossdressers that they found on Facebook profiles, and proclaiming that they could not accept such people as their transgender sisters. In identity politics, there is an elitist preoccupation with who is an authentic member of the "group". That ka-thump-thump you hear is crossdressers being tossed under the bus because we don't fit the schema.

As far as the LGBT community, though, I feel very at home around LGBT people. As long as they aren't talking politics, they're very relaxed and groovy. Of course, that's true of most people, including me. That's why I avoid the subject like the plague when I'm in a social setting. :)

[Allyson Michelle]

EDIT: Yes, as should all transgendered folk. Look at it this way, The Native Americans could have beat the white man when he tried to take their land, but the tribes couldn't get along. they all had different views and beliefs. Lets learn from this mistake of history and band together. "Help me help you" as it were.

To all my fellow transfolk, weather you are homosexual or not, you belong here because we are part of an alliance that struggles with many of the same civil rights issues as homosexuals. The progress in the trans-community could not have been achieved if it weren't for the LGB community.

I still support Civil Rights for everyone! Gay, lesbian, bi, trans, minorities, unborn people, ect.

Who said we all have to be labeled though? Ya label soup cans, not people. WHY CANT WE ALL JUST BE HUMANS?

[Cari]

Good question -

My selfish or political side feels that it is currently the best way for CD's to get some protection under the law and possibly become more accepted.

Although I hate all the labels and dont feel anyone fits me completely I indentify with the T, I like the broad scope it covers and feel most comfortable with it.

When I decided to figure this all out for myself the trans people were very open and honest with me and shared their stories.
I never got the feeling that as a "CD" I didnt belong or wasn't welcome from their community.

An LBGT club was my first nite out and the first time and place I was accepted dressed.
Over the last several years; I have felt welcome in LBGT clubs.

So I definately identify with the community because they have welcomed,accepted and helped me.

I identify with the issue because I feel that LGBT are misunderstood and dont have the basic protections under the law they should.

I think that while LGBT folks understand the huge differences within the community, to those on the outside it all looks the same.
In order to get those differences understood the entire community will have to move forward.

I feel any discrimination is wrong and everyone should have a fair chance to prove their worth.

While I dont consider myself an activist:
I do write my representatives when legislation comes up.
I do donate to groups that I feel are making positive strides.
And when I vote LGBT civil rights is an issue that I look at when choosing a candidate. Its not the only issue but one that I feel tells me allot about a candidate.

[Frédérique]

Do you identify with the LGBT movement?

I live by the words of Quentin Crisp, who insisted that you “should never join a group.” He should know. How can you be an individual if you join the band-wagon and fight for a cause? Being excluded from groups all my life, yet foolishly trying to fit in before I knew better, I made my peace with non-involvement, and this includes any “movements” that may home into view…

I’m an artist, yet I never join organizations that insist they are “doing good for the community,” changing public perceptions while asking for my support and/or dollars. How can an artist, an individual who craves isolation and introspection, possibly leave his or her peaceful oasis of inspiration to join a movement? LGBT is one thing, but highly personal crossdressing is another, and I don’t see how or why I could (or should) identify with a catch-all group created by society’s lack of intelligence. The latter (society) is another group I can do without, but I digress…

I assume the “movement” seeks to gain rights and awareness, correct? Since rights are imaginary or transitory at best, you may be better employed trying to kick water uphill, especially in today's polarized world. As far as I’m concerned, a movement implies militancy, or activism, and I’m just not cut out for such things. I certainly don’t mind being placed under the labeled umbrella that has been conveniently provided by outsiders, but, the fact is, I enjoy not fitting in, even inside this “community.” I wish I fit in more readily, or actively, but I’ve gotten used to not belonging…

To answer your question, I never think about whether I identify with LGBT or not – I see this group, or collection of groups, as an inaccurate representation of myriad sensibilities which may or may not contain my own. On a daily basis you can observe a certain friction between factions on this site, and that speaks volumes about why I would never identify with a group – I would rather exist as I am and observe from afar. When all the labels are dropped in favor of “human,” give me a call – I identify with that idea completely…

That being said, if you are L, G, B, or T, I consider you to be my friend, and please know that I care about you. I'm sorry I'm not more "active," but I wish you well...

[Stephanie Anne]

As a crossdresser you are part of the lgbt community whether you want it or not. I find it slightly selfish of anyone here that would say they are not part of lgbt and as such don't see the point. Every single step forward that has allowed you to be who you are without consequences is due to the work of people in the lgbt community. It is extremely selfish to assume our struggles do not apply to you.

Unless you like the threat of violence, harassment, discrimination, ridicule, and the possibility to be fired simply because of what you like to do, I strongly recommend at the very least you give respect to the people who are working so you can have equality.

Every single person on this forum is a part of the "lgbt movement" whether they like it or not. Every time I see someone post something like this then post a complaint on why they can't have the same rights as everyone else, I am reminded that we as the T in LGBT and until we get over posts like this, will not get the respect we deserve.

[Tanya C]

Personally, I am very grateful for the LGBT movement because it signifies that there are many of us who come together as a community for a variety of reasons including advocating for fairness and equality. And let's not forget those beautiful souls who are not LGBT but show thier support in many ways, not the least of which is their love and friendship.
I understand that there are some cders, especially the younger ones who have a more lighthearted and carefree attitude about their cding. For some it's even a way of rationalizing their apprehension about their own cding.
But life has an interesting way of getting serious as time goes by, and before you know it you find yourself pretty darn glad that there have been so many "militants" who have been such strong advocates of our rights. And when it gets right down to it we also have an obligation to take it even further, and I'm not talking about sex change operations either.

[Christy_M]

I can identify with the "movement" even though I don't participate in marches or other activist related functions. I have been thrust into "fight" due to discrimination against me even though I would have never stepped in front of the bus purely for it being the right thing to do. I absolutely agree that any rights we have today is because we are lumped into the LGB community and to be quite honest it is easier to fight with other people fighting for the same cause than it is to fight on your own for those same reasons...it seems that two groups fighting for the same thing turns into why one should have it over the other instead of letting both groups "win." I am proud to be part of the LGBT community and I am certain that the "movement" does not include the self righteous idiots (that all groups have) who make it a point of discrimination whenever they act like a jerk a$$ and people call them out for it. This is a small part of the community and does not represent our cause just as unfaithful spouses do not represent marriages across the country.

[AmberM]

My fiance and I are both straight allies and we are Christian voices for LGBT rights. We have been strong human rights advocates for a long time. My younger maternal uncle who passed away a few years ago was a gay man heavily active in the Palm Springs LGBT scene. We have many LGBT friends and I love them so much.

[DaphneGrey]

Youth is wasted on the young. There is one thing that is revealing in that quote. . So now it is all fun and games for you but someday you may awaken and realize that it wasn't just fun, it was who you are. So go ahead and not identify now, the LGBT community will always be there for you later...or not. The attitude of we don't need them is fascinating to me and I see us being left further and further behind because we don't want to be associated with the "gay" crowd. They may get equal rights and you will be standing on te street corner still considered a fetishist or clown or freak. Why? Because you don't identify with them. Right now you enjoy the openess that the community offers. Keep telling yourself it does not affect you. Yeah, lots of people have said taht in the past. "Hey, why should I care? It isn't important to me. What I am (or do) isn't really a part of that." And then suddenly it is. The world is in constant flux. You "blend" away now. You keep your secret hidden but someday...

I always bring out the poem by Martin Neimoller when this type of post comes up. I won't quote it now because maybe you will take the time to look it up. But tunnel vison will come back to bite you. So don't associate with a movement. What the heck, after all, the colonists thought the same thing. I don't drink tea so who cares if they tax it? I have extra grain so who cares if teh crown takes half? I really don't want freedom, I have...a cow and 8 acres. The crown owns that too? Eh, I am not part of the "movement". Until it is on your doorstep.

Don't be part of the LGBT community. Your job is safe. After all you don't hurt anyone dressing in your own home. But your boss has the ability to fire you because of what you do in your own home. But don't worry about that it is just "fun". You can marry now but what if it is decided that you cannot because of your "hobby"? You can go anywhere but what if you are labeled an offender because they decide what you do is a deviation? What if you are accused of being a deviate? Eh...don't be part of the movement. It won't happen. right??? right????

This is the land of the free. The patriots (the real ones) didn't need to be part of the movement either. Martin Luther King didn't need to be part of a movement. Ceasar Chavez didn't. Moshe Dyan. None needed to be part of a movement. You didn't have to be in that movement, but whether you realize it or not you reaped the benefits.

You don't feel you need to be part of it because to you it is a game. You think you will out grow it and maybe you will. But when they come for you who will stand up?

(PS You did rile a few feathers. Luckily not ostrich feathers)

What She Said!!!!!!

I support and am part of the LBGT movement. I identify with all of it, I mean quite simply that as "insert what ever label you like" to describe what I am. I will stand and defend everybody and anybody that stands with them. Do we as a marginalized group of people who are under this umbrella really need to spell out the difference between gender and sexual orientation? In this context? Is it really that bad or terrifying?

Before we get into the most crossdressers are "H" discussions. (trust me I got the memo) If you don't support the movement, for some political or philosophical reason thats fine I understand. Think about it this way as a crossdresser or TG person who identifies as "H" could you bring yourself to say as many in this thread have "yes I support them" without saying "gender and orientation are not connected" "I have no problem with it" or any other such disclaimer!

I work for a fortune one hundred company who bends over backwards to protect LBGT employees. Last year I sat down with my manager and HR and explained to them I was TG. I was asked if I needed any special treatment and was told that if I felt threatened or discriminated against to notify them immediately. And although I don't present fully female at work everybody knows I am different. (I present androgynous/feminine) And nobody gives me a hard time. The reason I can do that is because of the sacrifice of those "G, B, L, and Qs,

I have said it before and be sure I will say it again the reason The Ts are the red headed stepchild of LGBT is because of these types of statements!

If you are a straight crossdresser and you have benefited from the sacrifices and struggles of the LGBT movement (and if you ever walked out of the house in a dress trust me you have) The least you could do is be straight supporter. Heck my 14 year old straight son wears a pride bracelet because he supports his Gay friends and he doesn't make any disclaimers!

[Rogina B]

You are SO right Denise...Sisters of Boston has gained acceptance for the "community" by showing they are caring folks,no matter how they are dressed..Donations,fundraising etc,to help specific causes has been a big eyeopener around Boston..ALL GOOD STUFF!

[Rianna Humble]

I, honestly, can't identify with the LGBT movement. Don't get me wrong, I honestly don't care what peoples sexual identity is or the various reasons they identify as such.
...
I know there always seems to be a push to "go farther" which would seem to lead to a sex change, but I can't identify with that, and I feel like the LGBT movement (or the pieces of it I've come in contact with) push you in that direction.


I have not felt that at all from the LGBT pressure group that I have joined. The inclusion of T - which is for Transgender not necessarily Transsexual (at least in the groups I have encountered) - is an attempt by the LGB community to include another section of society who they see being discriminated in a similar way to LGB a couple of decades ago.

Others have said that there is a need for some from our community to carry the banner for Trans folk on the political front and perhaps I am one of those who is well placed for that having had a prominent political career whilst I was pretending to be a man and having had my transition reported upon in the UK national tabloids - even to the extent of being sought out for comment when a minister in the new government (not my political party) came out as being gay.

I was asked by one paper about the LGBT movement and replied that I have joined an LGBT group so that I don't have to be the silent T in LGB :eek:

I think the shorter version of my response is "yes I do identify with the LGBT movement and am happy to do so publicly in case it can benefit cross-dressers and other trans folk".

[ReineD]

I identify with it, even though I am a hetero GG who is perfectly comfortable with my feminine identity. I identify with their struggles with acceptance. I often go out with my CD SO, and I do become angry when we run into bigots.



In college, I could never identify with the LGBT groups. I always thought they seemed almost militant in their desires to push their beliefs on other people. Me, I just wanted to dress up, and I didn't really care if there was a societal stigma about it.


Jen, it takes militancy to effect changes in our society, sad as this is. If gays hadn't been militant, homosexuality would still be considered a mental illness and an aberration. You may be OK with people not accepting you, but trust me it is very difficult for most CDs and TSs (and their partners) who are out there and who must deal with bigotry, not to mention potential issues with physical safety.

[Julogden]

As a crossdresser you are part of the lgbt community whether you want it or not. I find it slightly selfish of anyone here that would say they are not part of lgbt and as such don't see the point. Every single step forward that has allowed you to be who you are without consequences is due to the work of people in the lgbt community. It is extremely selfish to assume our struggles do not apply to you.

Unless you like the threat of violence, harassment, discrimination, ridicule, and the possibility to be fired simply because of what you like to do, I strongly recommend at the very least you give respect to the people who are working so you can have equality.

Every single person on this forum is a part of the "lgbt movement" whether they like it or not. Every time I see someone post something like this then post a complaint on why they can't have the same rights as everyone else, I am reminded that we as the T in LGBT and until we get over posts like this, will not get the respect we deserve.

Stephanie Anne, you've nailed it, couldn't have said it better. I just don't get how so many here think that they aren't included under the "T" part of LGBT.

It's all about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We all deserve that. We all deserve to live our lives in a manner that makes us happy, same as heterosexual, gender "normal" people.

Carol

[ronniew]

not only do i support it, but it is one of my passions. I am part of the B but there are some on here that got the Q wrong. Q is not for "queer" it is for "questioning". So if you see any where the LGBTQ it's for that. As i put in another thread, I am a butch lesbian, bisexual, genderqueer, genderfluid, pansexual, FTM CDing, masculine-identified, intersexual, feminine challenged, genetic female who happens to be in love with a MTF CDing, pansexual, genderfluid feminine man. Not only that but I have a daughter who is bisexual, one daughter who is straight, one daughter who is questioning leaning toward straight, a grandson who my daughter wonders if he is transgendered, many gay friends, lesbian friends, bi friends, pansexual friends and CD friends. ALL OF OUR LIVES WOULD BE HARD IF NOT FOR LGBTQ community/movement. As some others have written, some are militant but most are not. We are not in anyone's face unless you take offense to the very people who are trying to protect YOUR rights. Even just the right to CD in the privacy of your own home. After all, that's what we LGBT want also. To not be discriminated against. Sometimes it takes militant "in your face" attitudes, and sometimes it takes loving one heart at a time.

[Sophie_C]

Nope. While I am in the closet, I know I'm internally TG, and the LGB people keep on forgetting that Stonewall was chalk FULL of trans people, shown in the fact that our rights have been thrown under the bus by them every single chance they've gotten (first ENDA bill, anyone???).

We've always been the red-headed stepchild to them, and given that so many people are out these days, there's come this overwhelming attitude of "there's enough of us, we don't need them anymore", and I consider them who has pushed us away.

And, this has been reaffirmed over and over again with the jokings of "confusion" and often outright disgust I've seen of gay friends towards random trans people in "their" part of town, shown to me, since I had that side hidden pretty damn well.

They do find their drag queens funny, at a distance, but do not 'get' 'trans' ANYTHING.

Yea, so no.

[Mahoro]

I am a proud member of the GLBTQ community, and feel the need to point out the real 'movement' here is for Equality, whether you are G, L, B, T, Q, H, or a member of any ethnic or religious minority, the 'movement' is striving for changes that will allow us to ALL live as we are, and not face discrimination just because of what we wear, the gender we adopt, who we sleep with, or what our cultural backgrounds may be.

Sure I've faced ridicule from some people that were Gay, Lesbian, and even other Transgendered people, but I understand that those are results of individual attitudes, and not the overall feelings of the collective community. It's important to distinguish the two.

The movement for Equality is getting tangible and positive results for those of us in the T population. If you question that then I recommend you just look to some of the recent news for the proof; such as the recent confirmation of a US High Court judge who is TG, or several local fair housing protections passed for all the members our community. Certainly there is still a long way to go, and without a doubt there will be small number in the community who take things a bit too far in their zealous activities, but overall the foundation of the modern Equality movement is sound, and we have our GLB friends to thank for that.

The T for 'Transgender' in GLBTQ is meant to be an umbrella, and not intended in this context to be a selective club or specific label, so if you are CD, TS, TV, Bi-Gender, Inter-sex, or anywhere else on the gender spectrum then you belong with us, and by extension protecting your rights falls within the GLBTQ movement for Equality. Each of us will potentially benefit from the fruits of the collective efforts.

I understand and respect that political or social activism is not everyone's cup of tea, and no one is going to hold a gun to your head and force you to march in the Pride parade, but saying you are not part of this overall community, or that you can't 'identify' with it, is kind of like saying you are not part of the human race, or that you can't identify with what it means to be a living breathing inhabitant of Earth.

[Pythos]

Here is a quote I love. It is one that I think fits this discussion, and also many things in life.

"I am not all together on anyone's side as they are not all together on my side"

Tree Beard, Lord of the Rings, The twin towers.

[t-girlxsophie]

Here is a quote I love. It is one that I think fits this discussion, and also many things in life.

"I am not all together on anyone's side as they are not all together on my side"

Tree Beard, Lord of the Rings, The twin towers.

I like that,sums it up for me,theres negativity in individuals within any group which stops ones wholehearted involvment.

[Julogden]

Here is a quote I love. It is one that I think fits this discussion, and also many things in life.

"I am not all together on anyone's side as they are not all together on my side"

Tree Beard, Lord of the Rings, The twin towers.

Hi Pythos,

Yes, there will always be individuals in any group that one differs with, but we have to look at the whole. Rejecting the whole LGBT community because we dislike a few individuals is the proverbial cutting off our nose to spite our face, wouldn't you say?

Carol

[Avana]

As a T and at times in my life an L, a G, and a B who is dating an L, I most definitely identify.

However, I do find difficulty feeling like I belong among the others. Granted I am sort of an iconoclast in other aspects of my life as well, but, for instance, last night I went out to a weekly lesbian night at a bar i frequent, with my gf, totally androgynous (big smoky eye makeup and falsies, leather leggings and a big tee, and very masculine fashion combat boots). Though it is a lesbian night, there is typically a mixture, and I prefer to go then because the other nights its usually 90% gay men. I have maybe once before seen another openly transgender or genderqueer male at birth. So usually I feel like a definite outsider already. (and this place is in the heart of williamsburg, brooklyn - the cliquey, judgmental hipster capital of the united states)

I often find it difficult to identify with lesbians and especially those who are feminists, because they often have an agenda against us tg girls (there is a book by janice raymond that compares the transition to womanhood as a form of rape). And in a way, though I identify as as a tg lesbian, I feel bad almost doing that, and terrified to admit that to a GG lesbian, because I respect the struggle of lesbians in history to achieve the status that they now have, I don't have women's parts, and I respect their wish to want to go out and be with others like them. And anyway, I have a girlfriend who is a lesbian, and she feels threatened when I try to make lesbian friends on my own, or even sometimes that I am stepping on her territory of self expression and individualism.

Gay men in general tend to adore me as a very effeminate gay boy, but when they talk to me and find out I'm TG and prefer women, often the response is 'oh you're one of those', or 'so you're on the other side'. Not to mention that my attraction to and desire to be with men is minimal compared to women. Last night a gay guy invited me to participate in a runway walk dance-off at the party I was at, to walk behind him, and after I finished he laughed and said "I loved it ... it was so hetero", and I'm sure he asked to participate just so he could 'out me' as not gay - that kind of shade made me feel most unwelcome.

And with other TG ladies, I tend to feel like I don't belong because I am much more androgynous and progressive in my view of what it means to be a woman or TG woman, whereas many other TG girls are obsessed with passing as women and all of the quaint, established stereotypes that they associate with femininity.

So as is usually the case in my life, while I identify with and support the movement, its hard for me to feel like I belong or like I can relate to the others. And so I tend to gravitate towards individual relationships with different people rather than relationships with groups or 'movements'. I find that the LGBT scene can be quite cliquey and burden its members with expectations about what it means to be a member of the group, how one should dress, dance, talk, etc.

[Fab Karen]

Sure I've faced ridicule from some people that were Gay, Lesbian, and even other Transgendered people, but I understand that those are results of individual attitudes, and not the overall feelings of the collective community. It's important to distinguish the two.

Mature & logical, and bears repeating.

[msginaadoll]

I do identify- because I identify with all humans. But more importantly I am benefitting from the gay/lesbian community. I go to there clubs, as well as there support centers. I have met some wonderful folks who are involved in the rights for all people. I can never hope to be supported and accepted by the world at large if I dont accept the community that has supported me. Just my humble opinion.

[PretzelGirl]

It is interesting the variety of responses here, I believe it is because the general premise of "LGBT Movement" is open to interpretation on what it means. A few responses seem to align with it being strictly political. Well, if it is brought up in general terms, then it means everything. If you participate in a group, you are part of the movement. If you go out where people can get exposure to us and a good impression, then you are part of the movement. And if you do anything politically, you are part of the movement. It is limitless.

For those that say that they aren't part of the movement, can you really complain about non-acceptance? It ends up being a bit of a catch-22. You can't go out without acceptance and you can't get acceptance without going out. I'm okay with whatever choice each person makes, it is there individual perogative. But by doing so, you accept the status quo as being good enough for you.

[DaphneGrey]

As a T and at times in my life an L, a G, and a B who is dating an L, I most definitely identify.

However, I do find difficulty feeling like I belong among the others. Granted I am sort of an iconoclast in other aspects of my life as well, but, for instance, last night I went out to a weekly lesbian night at a bar i frequent, with my gf, totally androgynous (big smoky eye makeup and falsies, leather leggings and a big tee, and very masculine fashion combat boots). Though it is a lesbian night, there is typically a mixture, and I prefer to go then because the other nights its usually 90% gay men. I have maybe once before seen another openly transgender or genderqueer male at birth. So usually I feel like a definite outsider already.

And with other TG ladies, I tend to feel like I don't belong because I am much more androgynous and progressive in my view of what it means to be a woman or TG woman, whereas many other TG girls are obsessed with passing as women and all of the quaint, established stereotypes that they associate with femininity.

So as is usually the case in my life, while I identify with and support the movement, its hard for me to feel like I belong or like I can relate to the others. And so I tend to gravitate towards individual relationships with different people rather than relationships with groups or 'movements'. I find that the LGBT scene can be quite cliquey and burden its members with expectations about what it means to be a member of the group, how one should dress, dance, talk, etc.

I can relate

[Angiemead12]

I wish I could but since Im not completely out yet hence I cant. I have a few gay friends and i can only relate with them till a certain extent. Our wave lengths are still very different.

But I am a supporter for increasing awareness about crossdressing and transgenders!

[CherryZips]

Complete support for LGBT rights from me. Including marriage. As a CD I feel it is a relevant cause. A society for LGB rights is more likely to be positive towards T. And it shows how much progress the cause has made that it is not seen as "minority only" opinion to have. LGB rights are widely held. Society is still wrapping its head round what T means.

Mostly I've seen a pretty good acceptance of LGBT rights in my life. All my friends pretty much take acceptance for granted. Only occasionally someone will have negative opinions. It depends on the setting. Maybe I'm in a liberal (European context) bubble.

I can't take seriously anyone on the T spectrum that does not accept LGB rights.

In saying that they are different communities. The LGB community might not always understand where T people are coming from. Politically you will see some lesbians are negative towards any trans people but others I think some very much understand.

Ironically so much of the T community is hidden so they are unlikely to appear in any political setting. The post op trans might go deep stealth just for the peace. The straight CD trying to convince a shocked wife they are straight.

Of course then there is the complication of the BDSM community. How do all three communities relate?

TL;DR I am for LGB rights. But its messy and we are different communities.

[flatlander_48]

CDers and TS seem to issue from a different gate than the classic, flag waving gay or lesbian. I think it's because those "in the movement" are aggressive in propounding their lifestyle and beliefs.

Remember the phrase: Well behaved women rarely make history? So, what do you propose people do? Sit quietly by and wait for someone to grant them the rights that they should already have? Won't happen. How many situations can you think of where people who had rights willingly extended them to others? It usually requires some sort of Force Majeure.


Further, there is a "gay" look and a "gay" lisp, both of which I find offensive. So, it's amazing to me that I feel this way and I already know it's something I need to work on personally, I know it's *my* problem.

True. But, find photos of Billy Bean, John Amaechi, Greg Louganis, Dave Kopay, Bill Tilden and Glenn Burke. Be honest. Do any of them really LOOK gay? Most folks look like these guys. Their sexuality is not obvious. I can't say that I have heard all of them speak, but I would suspect than none of them had a lisp. Find photos of Harvey Milk, David Mixner, Bayard Rustin, Rupert Everett, Ian McKellen or James Hormel. Do any of them look gay to you? Sad to say, but your opinions seem to be based on a small subset of the gay population.


Now, if I simply think about a guy with a male partner or visa-versa, it doesn't both me -- it's fine, it's your choice. I think it's the "movement" that annoys me, the "in your face" thing that gets under my skin. That's not my style and from what I have read here (mostly passive, happy ladies), it's not yours either....

Choice is a very bad word in this context. Crossdressing is not a choice. Being gay isn't either.

[TNRobin]

I have put a great deal of thought into this answer, not so much out of concern that I might make someone uncomfortable, but to insure that my views are expressed in a fully coherent manner.

So, on to what I've got to say. In the context of a community I'm fine with it. I have friends that are TG, gay and lesbian, but as a "movement" my answer isn't just no, but HELL NO! I'm very politically active and spend a great deal of time with politicians of all walks, so I do to some extent have their ear, but the great majority of them view the whole LGBT thing much as I do. I heard this kind of thing all of the time when I spent time as an intern and as a volunteer on a various candidate's campaigns. In the beginning, as a movement, they had a purpose, just like the feminist movement or the civil rights movement, but these movements have devolved into a "we want equality, but we want to be MORE equal." And before anyone accuses me of being a bible thumping conservative or a shill for the Republican Party I'll tell you up front that I'm a Libertarian and support less government, less spending, lower taxes, fewer infringements upon my freedoms and liberties, not more laws and greater government intervention.

For example, take "hate crimes." It's already illegal to assault or kill someone, so why in the world should it be more illegal to do so if they're gay or CD or a different color? Is it because they're a minority in need of protection? If so, then you need to include the KKK and the skin heads in the neo-nazi movement since they're also a minority. As long as they're not hurting anyone why not include them as "protected?" Instead of whining about it, do something about it. Learn how to defend yourself and be ready to do so; take responsibility for yourself instead of wanting the government to do it for you. And in the event that you are assaulted, robbed, or your civil rights are violated make damn sure that the responsible people are prosecuted for it.

When you include some people within a society as more protected than others then equality no longer exists by definition. To say that it does is to either not understand or completely ignore the English language. After all, words do mean things.

That may not be a popular opinion on this forum and it will undoubtedly offend some. To those that I'm offending I make no apologies, but just as they've done I ask that they understand that I've voiced my opinion just as they've been allowed to voice theirs. After all, we can all be equal opportunity offenders! LOL

[Miranda09]

I don't know if I identify with the LGBT movement or not, but I do support what they're working toward. Maybe deep down I do identify with it, I don't know...this just shows how confusing this has been for me, especially lately!!! But as I said, I fully support what they're working toward and that's equality without being singled out by society as "different". It's no different than the women's movement for equal rights and the black movement for equal rights. It's a part of our society trying to mature. It is interesting tho how other countries seem to be more acceptable of the LGBT community than this country, but give it time. :)

[Krystyna_Marie]

Lynn Marie - I was devastated when the only local LGBT club closed here in town - I felt accepted (even desired!) there for who I am.

I have begun to pay more attention to, and I want to do something to support LGBT rights and acceptance

kisses! KM

[Krystyna_Marie]

I proudly identify myself as a "T", and I feel like I'm part of the LGBT community
KM

[juno]

I am disappointed that so many people here try to separate sexual orientation from other aspects of gender diversity. If your brain is part female, why is is so different if it is that part that chooses clothes versus the part that chooses a sexual partner?? One is not any better or worse than the other. They are just different.

Nobody here is any more or less of a person because of what aspects of their gender don't match the textbook "normal" male or female. What does make you a better person is accepting everyone's right to express their own gender identity without judging them.

My only dislike of LGBT is the that the letters try to make distinct groups. Some places have expanded to LGBTIQA (the last 3 are intersex, questioning and allies). Why not just go with "Gender Diversity"?

Some of the LGBT groups can be a bit overly aggressive, but only because that is what it takes for a minority group to make progress in society.

[Julia Welch]

Well I'm a guy that likes wearing womens clothes .. I'm not into other guys so I'm not gay .. I'm really into women so that makes me hetero I guess.. but my wife loves having sex when I'm dressed as a woman, does that make me and her lesbian or bisexual?

I'm confused :D

[Rianna Humble]

I am disappointed that so many people here try to separate sexual orientation from other aspects of gender diversity. If your brain is part female, why is is so different if it is that part that chooses clothes versus the part that chooses a sexual partner??

Gay cis men do not have a brain that is part female. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their Gender. Equally, my gender has nothing to do with determining my sexual orientation.


Why not just go with "Gender Diversity"?

Because LGB are not forms of Gender diversity. The silent T was added to try to include a section of society facing similar discrimination to that experienced around 20 years ago by the LGB communities. The addition of I and Q generally stem from a lack of understanding of what the T stands for (hint: it does not stand for transsexual)