Bathroom

[barbara f.]

When out dressed en femme which bathroom do you use? Do you get any get any dirty looks?

[Laurie Ann]

This one time at band camp sorry wrong thought process. I did use the ladies room one time when I was away for business and as I was freshing my lipstick, after doing what was necessary and yes I sat down keeping knees close required a bit of concentration, a GG came in walked right past me without saying a word.

[Rachel Morley]

I would never use the guys bathroom when en femme...that's suicide! I try not to go at all, but if I have to then I use the ladies, but I get the hell out of there as quickly as possible.

[knelson]

I would use a little caution when doing this since most establishments are not CD/ TS / TG friendly.

[Marlena Dahlstrom]

Bathrooms are tricky. Your best bet is a single-stall "family" or handicapped bathroom if one's available.

Using the men's room generally isn't considered safe, so it's less risky to use the women's room. However, there are GG who will freak out about you being there and some girls have encountered ugly scenes as a result. So...


If you can, it helps to go with a GG friend.
Get in, do your business, wash your hands and get out (don't try to strike up conversation, etc.).
While in the toilet, make sure your feet are pointing the right direction.
If someone has a problem, let them know you really need to pee and it's not safe for you to use the men's room. If need be, just leave immediately.

[Debbie Kong]

When I'm out I try not to have to use any washroom facilities but when I have I have used the mens room. If anyone bothers me I'll drop them. Now if I was in the womans washroom I couldn't very well do that now could I. What right would I have to be there?

I respect women and I don't feel I have the right to assume I can use "their" facilities. It would be selfish I think. Then again, I'm a TV. I'm not on the road to GRS nor am I pretending to be a woman. If I fell into one of those categories I might feel that I had just as much right as a real woman to use their dedicated areas of privacy. That said I don't feel that a mere pretender has any right to be in a womans washroom.

Holding it with all her might,

Debbie

[Helen MC]

In the UK nearly all toilets have lockable doors on the stalls or cubicles as we call them, the doorless toilet stall which seems to be common in some parts of the USA would not be tolerated in the UK. So if a TV en femme needs to use a public toilet or one in a bar, restaurant, etc then it would make a lot more sense to use the Female Toilets, go in quickly, do what you need to, (of course sitting to do either function) then come out , wash hands and leave. It would be easier if you were with a friendly GG at the time of course. To use a Male Toilet when en femme or as they would look at it, "in drag" would be to invite a nasty response even assault. The Mrs Doubtfire scenario where his son discovers him in that role but standing to pee in their toilet is just too stupid for words! (It ruined that film for me . There could have been some other way for his kid to discover that Mrs Doubtfire was really his Dad)

Now the irony is that if a man is found in a Female Toilet here in the UK, unless of course he is cleaning it, repairing it, etc, then he can be prosecuted. I think this applies even to those who are TG unless they have a certificate from a Doctor stating that they are undergoing the pre-op reassignment period living their life as a Woman. One light in the tunnel is that some UK pubs, clubs and restaurants now have Unisex Toilets. There are no urinals and only cubicles with lockable doors and a female attendant to ensure safety and decency. These have caught on well, especially with the younger generation.

[Richelle]

Since I generaly pass when out enfem, I use the ladies room.

I always try and find a quite out of the way restroom that does not have much trafic and I get in there do my business and get out.

I have never had any bad expereince and have had some positive expereinces with the GGs.

Richelle

[Deborah_UK]

Now the irony is that if a man is found in a Female Toilet here in the UK, unless of course he is cleaning it, repairing it, etc, then he can be prosecuted. I think this applies even to those who are TG unless they have a certificate from a Doctor stating that they are undergoing the pre-op reassignment period living their life as a Woman. One light in the tunnel is that some UK pubs, clubs and restaurants now have Unisex Toilets. There are no urinals and only cubicles with lockable doors and a female attendant to ensure safety and decency. These have caught on well, especially with the younger generation.

Montford - I'm not sure that you are right there - I found this on the Northern Concord site, and this particular piece is written by the South Yorks Police

"Usage of Toilets

The usage of toilets whilst out dressed should not be a problem as there is no legislation or legal requirement that state people are required to use toilets according to their birth gender. Other than some old council bi-laws for some public toilets in parks that are listed buildings or the Gender Reassignment Act 1999, which covers transsexuals only in the work place or training environment.

However you probably know different by having experienced some animosity or been asked to leave venues whilst out socialising and using the ladies.A common occurrence sadly that happens when using new venues. This however is a civil matter not a police issue unless the animosity results in a transphobic incident.

On your travels you may well have found that some venues are OK and some not, this is due to toilets in venues such as pubs and clubs being governed by the proprietor manager/ess as to who uses which, they also generally respond to complaints from other customers.

The main issue again is safety and common sense when using public loos, especially if they are in a venue you haven’t used before.

A common and safer option is to use the disable toilets, not ideal I agree, but if you’ve got to go you’ve got to go.

Ensure that the toilets your about to use are empty and safe to use.

Check that you haven’t been followed in.

Once you’ve been, don’t hang about doing your make up or chatting.

the full article is here

http://www.northernconcord.org.uk/Police-Sense%202.htm

[Debbie Kong]

"Usage of Toilets"

Very interesting Deborah. Thanks for posting that. I'd like to know how the laws in Canada address this question.

I've never encountered the word "Transphobic" before. Thanks again.

Debbie

[Helen MC]

Thanks Deborah. I hadn't heard the word "Transphobic" but certainly experienced it 30 years ago! :( :mad:

[urban gypsy]

I try to hold on till home if out on my own but if with gg asked them to go in first to the ladies and then i would follow.
I had to use the washroom once when enfemme and went into the gents without thinking [ you know beer goggle problems ] and a chap got quite rude about it until he started to see stars. the funny thing was hearing him explain how he had been knocked out.
Oh I can be such a feminist.lol!