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obsessedwithpantyhose
10-13-2005, 10:24 AM
Kingsize, not queen: Some men
have taken to wearing pantyhose

Feb. 19 — Robert Rodgers used to carry into stores a list of items such as
milk, eggs and pantyhose, hoping others would think he was shopping for a wife
or girlfriend. But he is no longer hiding the truth. “The pantyhose are for
me,” says Mr. Rodgers, a 34-year-old San Francisco financial manager for an
entertainment union.

IT’S NOT NEWS that some men like to wear women’s clothing. But a
different sort of man is discovering the virtues of ladies’ hosiery. No
cross-dresser, he wears hose for warmth, comfort or the compression they
provide as a possible antidote to circulatory problems or varicose veins. How
his pantyhose look — or what other people think of them — becomes moot once
he puts on his slacks. “I don’t broadcast what I wear under my pants,”
says Steve Newman, an Ohio engineering-firm manager who wears L’eggs Sheer
Energy Active Support under them, among other brands.
Determining the amount of hosiery hiding beneath male trousers is
impossible because store cashiers don’t usually record the buyer’s sex. But
statistics online, where a man can buy hose without raising eyebrows, point to
an authentic niche. At Shapings.com, a lingerie Web site offering European
brands, about 85% of women’s-hosiery sales go to males, many of whom place
two orders — large sizes for themselves and smaller ones for their wives. A
“small” percentage of sales of the No Nonsense brand go to men. Based on
communications with these customers, parent Kayser-Roth Corp. estimates that
40% are cross-dressers, and most of the rest are men who simply like or need to
wear pantyhose.
A generations-old wholesaler of women’s hosiery called G. Lieberman & Sons
has restructured itself into a manufacturer and online purveyor of pantyhose
made exclusively for men, called Comfilon. “There’s a whole underground
culture of normal, mainstream guys who wear hose,” says Chief Executive Steve
Katz. Most buy women’s brands. Mr. Katz says he sells hundreds of thousands
of dollars a year worth of three-year-old Comfilon, which has male-specific
features such as a fly in front. The company’s motto: “Comfilons are not
your mother’s pantyhose.”
Men working outdoors sometimes find that nylon, unlike thermal underwear,
provides warmth without bulk and without absorbing perspiration. For that
reason, professional football players occasionally wear pantyhose during cold
games. Men whose jobs require long hours of standing say that pantyhose can
reduce leg pain, swelling and fatigue. Increasingly, doctors recommend that
long-distance fliers wear tight-fitting hosiery or socks, to prevent getting
blood clots in their legs.
Men’s sense of freedom to wear pantyhose is growing at the same time
that women feel freer not to wear them. It is much less common these days for
companies to prohibit bare legs. A big problem for the hosiery industry is that
many young women now eschew pantyhose even when wearing skirts.
The industry sells $1.4 billion a year in pantyhose in the U.S. alone.
But unit volume has been declining. At Sara Lee Corp., the largest player
through its L’eggs and Hanes brands, unit volume of sheer hosiery fell 8% in
2001, “reflecting the continuing decline in the global sheer hosiery
market,” the company said.
The prospect of a whole new customer base would be enticing — if not
for the decades-long promotion of pantyhose to women, based on sex appeal. That
old slogan, “Gentlemen Prefer Hanes,” didn’t mean they liked it on their
own legs. The idea of pantyhose on men was so unthinkable that quarterback Joe
Namath got a big laugh by donning them for a television commercial in 1973 for
Hanes’s Beauty Mist brand.
If the industry suddenly tried marketing to both sexes, would it
alienate women in greater numbers than it attracted men? Sara Lee has no plans
to market to men. At Kayser-Roth’s No nonsense, Vice President of Development
Diane Warren notes that the potential problems extend beyond marketing. “It
would be difficult to get a retailer like Wal-Mart to devote shelf space to a
pantyhose for men,” she says.
Still, it isn’t a big jump to pantyhose from nylon running tights, or
cycling pants of the sort that are increasingly popular among men eager to look
like Lance Armstrong. Also bridging the gap are support hose prescribed to men
with phlebitis or a history of blood clots. Although over-the-counter pantyhose
don’t provide sufficient compression to combat serious vein or circulatory
problems, support hose can help minor cases, doctors say.
But whether the incentive for pulling on that first pair is athletic
performance or improved circulation, many men keep wearing women’s hosiery
because it feels good. Mr. Rodgers, a former college athlete, substituted his
girlfriend’s pantyhose for his running tights one day as an experiment. A
decade later, “I wear them every day under my clothes to work,” he says,
praising not just their comfort but efficiency. “It combines underwear, socks
and thermals all in one.”
For the industry, a key to marketing to such men might be the naming of
the product. So many men were buying women’s brands at Wolford AG, the luxury
hosiery company based in Austria, that four years ago it started offering male
products. Its tights for men — a $90 cotton velvet offering — aren’t
called tights. They’re called the Waistsock. Amid last year’s recession,
Wolford America posted double-digit sales growth in that category. “There’s
nothing feminine about our men’s products,” says Karen Schneider,
Wolford’s chief executive officer.
But Waistsock doesn’t seem sufficiently macho to Rob Safko. A
construction contractor in Ontario, Mr. Safko has such severe varicose veins
that a doctor ordered medical support hose. He wears them as prescribed during
long-pants season — but not under shorts in the summer. “I can’t see the
guys being too understanding about that,” he says.
Mr. Safko has given considerable thought to how the pantyhose industry
might market a product for guys, and not only because he uses them himself. His
wife, Nicole, founded Shapings.com, and he moonlights as her assistant. In
selling women’s brands online to other men, he has learned that many wear
hosiery during athletic endeavors, such as cold-weather cycling. Thus, Mr.
Safko asserts, the industry should devise a name that suggests strength and
endurance. He would choose “Men’s Power Skin,” he says.
Legwear purveyors contend that men wearing pantyhose belong to a
tradition dating back to European aristocracy. “There are portraits 200 years
ago of royalty who wore exactly this garment,” Mr. Katz says of his Comfilon
male pantyhose.
But since most people don’t regard male pantyhose wearers as
conventional, let alone traditional, many men hush it up. Larry Sobczak, a
Michigan journalist and avid cyclist, secretly has worn pantyhose for a decade,
without mentioning it even to his brothers. The stigma bothers him. “I once
had a girlfriend steal a pair of my boxers,” he says. “Why is that OK —
women wearing men’s boxers — but it’s a big problem if I steal a pair of
her pantyhose?”
Many guys say their wives or girlfriends have no problem with it. “I
had a girlfriend who liked to help me pick them out,” says Mr. Rodgers.
A few men wear pantyhose publicly. “I’m 57 and don’t care what
anybody thinks,” says Ron Torgeson, a buyer for an Indiana mechanical
contractor.
A pantyhose user for medical reasons, Mr. Torgeson wore them under his
shorts last summer on a fishing trip with a buddy. “When he came down to the
boat, my friend noticed my hose and asked, ‘Do those help?’ And I said,
‘They do.’ Then he started asking me about hosiery. He seemed quite
interested in it.”

Copyright © 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

Jamie M
10-13-2005, 10:39 AM
Men working outdoors sometimes find that nylon, unlike thermal underwear,
provides warmth without bulk and without absorbing perspiration. For that
reason, professional football players occasionally wear pantyhose during cold
games. Men whose jobs require long hours of standing say that pantyhose can
reduce leg pain, swelling and fatigue
This does remind me of something i read a long time ago saying that when our good old boys in green were sailing of down to the Falklands on the QE2 (after being commandeered as a troop ship) they very quickly stripped out the shops of all the tights they could find for warmth

Don't know how many vets would admit to it these days tho'

Sandra H
10-13-2005, 10:41 AM
Men wearing pantyhose I think it’s disgusting, what next??? They will want to wear panties and then bras where will it all end???

Sorry, what am I thinking about, I wear panties, pantyhose and now it’s cooler and I need a jumper on a bra as well everyday.

See it’s catching my God is there a vaccine for this obsession??? If there is I don’t want it LOL

Sorry girls it is my silly sense of humour, I am in a silly mood just now, must be that time if month must get my HRT patch changed. ;) :p

Jamie M
10-13-2005, 10:42 AM
don't worry about it at least you obviously have a medical excuse for being silly , my excuse is normally more self inflicted of the alcamahol variety ;)

Monica
10-13-2005, 11:08 AM
There are few articles like that around and it might be the beginning of a trend. Although I wore them long before that and it had nothing to do with the sport and comfort, I was quick to adopt the running tights (and pantyhose under) for my colder runs 3 years ago when I got into running. Running in Southern Alberta can be very cold. But it is only since last year that I formally started to wear them under my business clothes during the colder months. It feels great and does everything that is written in the article. Those articles can be good scapegoats if somebody questions it.

But I wonder if it ever becomes more mainstream if the pantyhose will still be as interesting to us.

Monica

DonnaT
10-13-2005, 07:02 PM
If he wears pantyhose, he's a crossdresser, whether or not he wishes to deny it. Besides, why does he need them for warmth in San Fran?

urban gypsy
10-13-2005, 07:30 PM
When I was about 15 years old I used to help my older brother at weekends roofing as that is his trade. but one weekend in the middle of winter i was complaining about how cold it was to the other labourers on site and the gave me some money and said go buy some pantyhose and put them on under my jeans but get the thick ones. I thought that is was a wind up so asked my brother about it and he said it was the norm in winter to keep warm.
Still not quite sure it was not a wind up, went to the local shop picked up a pair of pantyhose went to the counter to pay and the girl there asked if I was from the building site down the road, when I replied yes, she said that I really wanted the 40 denier ones as they are the ones all the other guys go for to keep warm.
So I think the article is right.

Mistress Frillee
10-13-2005, 07:35 PM
I love wearring womens tights. I wear them for warmth in thw winter & overall comfort.. I like the 70 denier ones........ 84% nylon/16% lycra.

JennMW
10-13-2005, 08:48 PM
If he wears pantyhose, he's a crossdresser, whether or not he wishes to deny it. Besides, why does he need them for warmth in San Fran?

Quoting from Mark Twain: "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco".

Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mark+twain+%22summer+in+san+francisco%22&btnG=Google+Search)

The cold currents from the northwest and the fog do keep the temps down, especially shocking when you are visiting from inland!

Phoebe Reece
10-13-2005, 09:30 PM
Joanna is right about guys wearing pantyhose on construction sites - at least in the UK. I worked overseas with a guy from the UK whose son had his own small construction company that did mainly roofing work. According to the fellow I worked with, there was a big box of tights (pantyhose) kept in the office just for the guys to take and use in cold weather.

Marlena Dahlstrom
10-13-2005, 11:09 PM
Quoting from Mark Twain: "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco".

Twain got that right. The locals make a killing selling sweatshirts and jackets to the tourists who naively think: "It's California, it'll be be hot." Always fun to watch them shivering waiting for a cable car. :p

Here's an example of fine summer day...

Lauren_T
10-13-2005, 11:27 PM
If he wears pantyhose, he's a crossdresser, whether or not he wishes to deny it. Besides, why does he need them for warmth in San Fran?Ahh, you must be thinking of that other San - Diego... ;)

DonnaT
10-14-2005, 11:30 AM
I stand corrected about S.F., but

Steve Newman, an Ohio engineering-firm manager who wears L’eggs Sheer Energy Active Support

Seems he has an inside office, and I've tried them to keep warm. Didn't help.

Sandra H
10-14-2005, 06:51 PM
I subscribe to a newsletter from an online store who sells tights and for sometime they have been selling women tights which are for men.

Take a look and say what you think.http://www.mytights.com/mytights/browse/manu/WoMan.html